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I have a strange situation with one of my personal computers. It seems that one of the tiny pins that connects to the floppy drive ribbon has broken on my motherboard. Is there a way to get my floppy drive working without purchasing a new motherboard? Any ideas would be helpful.

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by ssjxtrunkz

Is the pin actually broken? Or is it bent? If it's bent you can bend it back for it to still work. Maybe if its broken you can try to go without it :) hehe.

by 5r

install i/o card with floppy controler,
and disable original in bios.
(you should find it in older computer or
buy it at local computer store)..

by joe465

try liquid solder and piece of pin. get it right first time. than leave it alone

by lwt

If you're handy with a soldering iron, you can replace the header pins with those from an old board. P.S.--Watch your iron temp, use good quality solder, and wear an anti-static wrist strap.

by admin

Doesn't anyone solder any more! Of all the parts on a mobo to need replaced, this is about the easiest. The traces usually aren't buried or anything on a floppy header. Once you learn to replace these, you can start changing voltages etc :) It's amazing how many boards will run better/faster with an occasional extra pin soldered on where the engineer intended one and somewhere along the lines it was removed.

by generalist

When it comes to modifications like that, I know that the pucker factor of fouling up the board exceeds my ability.

Any suggestions on sources for improving such a skill? It would be nice to upgrade from knowing the basics to being able to do the delicate stuff. (My knowledge of the basics date back much too far to be useful...)

by workinonit

A lot of people laugh if you tell them that you went to soldering school, but I'll tell you what.....the training is well worth it.

If you want to get good quality training contact your nearest Air Force Bases Flight Training Detachment and ask if you can sit in on a High Reliability Soldering class, or if the intructor will give you some lessons. After attending one of their training classes, I can approach soldering with full confidence. It's a tough course, and beleive it or not, you may not pass it the first time through, I don't care how good you think you are.....

by generalist

Hmmmm. Fairchild AFB is not too far away from where I sit. I may have to consider such a course once I get my skills up to a decent level. (That's why this is Phase 2)

Come to think of it, I know a few ex-Air Force people who might be able to help. One of them was in an A+ and Network+ certification class I recently completed.

by jetpack908

The best way is to desold the set of pins and the replace it with a "new" one form and old board (don't bee afraid it's not a big deale to do so)

by admin

in soldering or anything, but seriously, to me it's all in the art of the flow. If you can make beautiful flowing old 18g wire connections, header pins aren't that much smaller. I've replaced a few surface mounts and that's tricky, but possible. Youhave to be careful on new boards, and although I used to solder in traces, I use a conductive ink pen now mostly.
Get an iron with a nice tight point and controllable or at least low heat. Get some old motherboards etc. that are dead and practice awhile. Use small diameter solder. If you soldered before you can do this. I use a magnifying glass and small vice as well as various alligator clips to hold stuff. Heat sinks are sometimes needed too, but the best is small diameter solder and just enough heat to make it flow beautifully and no more. I don't really know if that helps, generalist, but really, get some dead parts and practice a short while. It's fun and floppy headers really are not difficult. :)

by admin

If you've read "Zen in the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" I'm the guy who makes the wonderful handelbar shim for the BMW out of a beer can. Works beautiful. A well suited material, however, it bothers the hell out of some people, just like fixing a modem trace with a thin paperclip and some solder does if some people see it. You're either a genius, a hack, or just plain scary depending on who is watching. Although that modem still works, some people would want it replaced if they knew. I don't think electrons care too much, as long as it's conductive and not storing or resisting too many of them. Come to think of it, the grandaddy transistor of them all was made out of a paperclip, and it's in the Smithsonian. :)

I guess my point is, that if you start soldering your own stuff, you're on the road to hot rodding that wonderful factory motorcycle (so to speak)and some people are going to say you ruined it, but mine is heavily customized, and I like that. Actually, come to think of it,I think I've soldered some on every motorcycle I've owned too......

by generalist

Your prior post has given me some ideas on how to proceed from where I'm at right now. (Call it the technical side.)

This post has given me a much better idea of where you're coming from. Having read 'Zen' way back in the 1970's, I know of the mind set you're talking about. What I remember most of the book is the six step 'Scientific Method' part and the Quality/Caring philosophy it promoted.

All of this may lead to some interesting things in the long run. I may even start wiring the house for better environmental control... (Sensors, solar power, direct DC power for PCs, fuel cells and who knows what. (Now all I need are a few additional experts...))

by epepke

I almost remember that bit in the book.

I was almost going to suggest soldering a paperclip or a straight pin (depending on the diameter) onto the stub of the pin. Now I'm glad I didn't.

However, WRT temperature-controlled solder stations, they don't have to cost an arm and a leg. When I was a kid, I had a soldering iron that was fine for point-to-point work but a bit hot for PC board work. You know how electrical outlets have a couple of connectors that you can break off if you want to run two circuits in? I broke off one of those connectors and put a diode in there instead. That way, I had one outlet for full-power and one for half. Worked great.

by admin

Yeah, if you don't need a lot of industrial motors, DC does still rock :) Come wire my home music recording studio with DC someday when you get a chance -I could use some clean power there, something Idaho power is not known for *hehehehe*
I still have a subscription to Mother Earth news too, although it's not nearly as wild a publication as it was back in the 70's. Still, we live in glory days for home power experimentation. I'm planning out an entirely off the grid cabin with out back rightnow. Trying to get a solar and wood-fired fake hot-spring near it at present so I'm looking for a Gunite expert with experince in making it look natural :)

by hmadenli

well, actually no. best you have to buy a new motherboard but since it is your comp. y?oe can try to replace that pin. Remember those plastic pieces on thr front are removable. Remove it and you will see that broken pin is soldered in place. so it can be replaced. Time consuming but doable.

by snyderd

Motherboards are cheap these days. Depending on how much stuff you need to buy to fix an old board, it may be cheaper to buy a new board.

I know other posts gave good info, here are some specifics. Use an iron with a grounded 3-prong cord, no more than 25 watts, 15 watts is better. Get the finest point possible. The points are cast copper, you can file it down and tin it to get the right shape. Be sure to tin the point first if a new iron. Use good quality fine-guage solder, 63/37 multicore rosin is best. NEVER use acid core solder. Tin and clean the iron before soldering. Get a solder sucker, about $5 at Radio Shack. You can loosen the old pin by heating with the iron and suck it out with solder sucker. While at Radio Shack get a DIP header, any size and cut out a pin and ESD wrist strap. Unplug PC and ground yourself to case. Push the pin through old hole and use least heat possible to flow solder cleanly. Heat the pin, not the motherboard, or you risk destroying the trace. Clean the excess rosin with alcohol. Look for solder blobs shorting adjacent pins.

Good iron, fine solder, solder sucker, ESD strap, maybe about $30 - 40. Time per hour to screw around with this, ???. New board, $60 - $120, probably has better performance too.

It's easy if you've done this before, intimidating if you haven't. Air Force, Navy, NASA all have good schools in microelectronic repair. NASA looks at about $10,000 to shoot a pound of solder into orbit, so their school focuses on economy of material. If there's a TV/VCR repair shop in town ask him to show you how to do micro repair, maybe he'll let you practice on some junk.

by epepke

Also, tin the point IMMEDIATELY after filing it down to minimize spots of oxide, which can cause the solder to blob on the tip.

It causes me sadness that people have to be reminded not to use acid-core solder.

I never liked the very fine solder, even for PC work. I was always able to do a better job with something stiffer, because then I could feel the feed rate. I usually used Kester's five-core.

Re: solder suckers. Don't get the kind that look like ear syringes. The spring-loadedones are better.

HOWEVER, I discovered a technique that works a lot better for desoldering: use a fine-point air blower from a source of at least 150 PSI. It causes a small amount of solder splattering, but the solder is cooled so fast that it doesn't stick and can easily be wiped off. This cleans out the holes beautifully. It's probably the kind of thing that needs a disclaimer: don't do this at home, kids.

I don't know if you can get tips for unsoldering entire connectors at once. When I was a kid, I machined one for DIPs out of aluminum. (You could buy them, but I couldn't afford that.) Of course you need an iron with more heat (not necessarily higher temperature).

by generalist

Actually, several months ago when the California power fiasco was very much in the news I asked myself an odd question.

The question concerned the power supply in a PC. While it serves a useful purpose, it is a major source of heat and it does waste a lot of power dropping things down to the 12 and less volt DC needed for PCs.

Given that, I asked myself why you don't see external power supplies that provide multiple voltage DC for multiple computers?

The only answer I can come up withis the convenience factor.

Oddly enough, in a very recent issue of Wired magazine, there was a mention of small scale power companies that provide high quality DC power for server farms and such. I guess I was a few months ahead of the curve.

by admin

and I thought the highest hack value for diodes was to make your music pre-amp feedback loops sound better.....

I did a similar thing with a variable voltage control off some old military equipment I acquired as a kid :)

by admin

Actually Generalist, that's a great idea. An external power supply would potentially greatly reduce the noise inside the box for recording, mP3, AV setups etc.
I used to have a friend that had a home stereo that was all DC with an external power converter. Man, did it sound clean! Unbelievable. You've got me thinking about converting my AV PC now :)

by epepke

A long time ago, I had a power supply that produced +12, -12, +5, and -5 at some ungodly current level, like 50 amps per wire.

WRT the distributed power, there are a couple of things. Power supplies used to use line frequency step-down transformers. Then about 20 years ago, switching power supplies became more common. The amount of iron you need in a reactive circuit is inversely related to the line frequency, which is why European vacuum cleaners are so huge. Raising the switching frequency reduces the amount of iron.

However, there are technical problems with making a switching power supply produce as much current as a big iron transformer. The current drawn with one PC is fine, but when you get into several, it's usually morepractical to use big iron supplies, and that means weight.

I can remember lugging around a Kaypro "portable" computer, which had a line transformer, and it was not an awful lot of fun.

by generalist

I remember the 'luggables' and how awkward they were. But back to the topic.

What I would be interested in would be a central DC power supply for any number of low voltage devices in the house. It seems brain dead to have all those devices using their transformers to convert wall power into forms of DC.

Now I will admit that I'd have to rewire portions of the house to handle this, but I may be doing that for a home network anyway. Unfortunately I know enough about electrical systems and electronics to know that I have large gaps in my knowledge. Before I consider making an infrastructure committment, I'd like to know the possible pitfalls.

The info on the weight factor is one example. So is the info on the multi-voltage 50 amp supply. I'm thinking that the weight doesn't matter too much if you're planning on a stationary system. And if you are using direct DC sources like solar cell charged batteries or fuel cells, the system is cleaner.

Ultimately, I'd love to havean in-house system that would allow me to run a lot of devices off low voltage DC while the heavy hardware uses AC. It would be kind of nice to be the only house in a power dark block running a sound system and PCs without having a loud generator in the background.

(Hmmmm. Remind me to get some low voltage monitors...)

by admin

Generalist, ever thought of starting a new discussion? hehehehe

But really, the whole house concept is very cool and cuts down on a concern of mine -RMF throughout the house. What about a transformer in the little room where your breakers and main feed are etc. AC to the kitchen and where needed and bedrooms with all DC instead of sleeping next to the AC lines? It just seems like it would be so peaceful and quiet. I honestly think I can feel large current areas. When I go to my friends remote cabin, I get a sense of life without AC lines all over, and there is a difference. I am willing to admit it could be completely psychological, but it might be interesting to live this way.
Maybe Epepke knows this one though, what method would youuse to figure out how much more it would cost you to convert AC to DC before you used it? Of course, your numerous wall warts would already have some loss. Would it be cheaper or more expensive?
I like DC lighting a lot too, my kid can't unscrew the bulb and hurt himself, although I remember the first time I took apart my moms toaster....

P.S. agreed on the old suitcases, man those were heavy and cumbursome, but boy, did they have major status in their day :)

by epepke

I do projects like that on the cheap, usually using bits from dumpsters.

I do know that you'd need some big fat wire. For the same power and the same loss, the cross-sectional area of the wire that you need is inversely proportional to the square of the ratio of the voltages. In other words, the ratio of diameters is proportional to the ratio of voltages. I don't remember exactly how wide 14-gague wire is, but it's probably close to a tenth of an inch. If you're going for 5 volts insteadof 120 volts for the same power, that means wire that's almost 2.5 inches in cross section. Even if I'm off by a factor of 2 in my memory, this is obviously silly for wire. You'd probably want only to use this on low-power systems, but the voltagedrop could be a problem no matter how little the current. Plus, line devices are designed to be tolerant of voltage fluctuations, but the 7400 series, for example, is only rated from 4.75 to 5.25 volts (unless you get mil spec, and the LS series might be more tolerant than I remember straight 7400).

Of course, you could say "hang the loss" and distribute, say, 7 volts and use a series regulator at the distribution points to cut it down to 5. But still, you'd be using a fair amount of powerto heat the house.

by admin

Elegant description! I enjoyed it thoroughly, and it did give form to some of my suspicions quite accurately ;>

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