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Bush accused of censorship.

By Oz_Media ·
"From melting glaciers to warmer oceans, we are close to the point of no return."

"If you've ever been troubled by the grim global-warming scenarios that have been bubbling at the margins of serious public attention all these years, there's good news: you don't have to wait any longer to see whether or not there's really anything to it all."

"The Canadian winter that just ended was the warmest on record. Last year in Greenland, where the summers are now milder than they've been in 100,000 years, glaciers shed an amount of water into arctic seas more than twice the annual flow of th eNile River, tripling the yearly loss of Greenlands glaciers from 10 years ago. There are robins on Baffin island now, and the people of Pangunirtung are seeing thunder for the first time and walruses, on melting ice floes, are starving to death.

If you drive from Vancouver to Williams Lake, you will have the privilege of travelling to the epicentre of a thing no human being has ever witnessed. It's North America's largest insect infestation in the history of North Anerica's great forests. Briotish Columbia's mountain pine beetles, without cold winters to stop them, have devoured their way across a landscape roughly the size of the United Kingdom."

"You will find yourself following the Frqaser River, where millions of salmon are now routinely dying on their homeward migrations in lethally warm water. In 6 of the past 15 years, the waters have surpassed the fatal 18 degree threshhold. Two years ago tributaries such as the Nicola and the Clearwater rivers, summer temperatures were already exceeding 25 degrees."

"Everything is different now, everywhere. Oru winters are now 4 degrees warmer than they were a century ago, and up and down the BC coast, cedars are literally dying of thirst."

Since 1921, the pacific ocean has been warming at a rate of 1 degree a year, which doesn't sound lik emuch but 10 degrees in the other direction separates us from the deep freeze of the ice age.

"18 months ago, Canada surpassed Saudi Arabia to become the primary supplier of fossil fuels to the United States. Around the same time, the administration of President G.W. Bush, himself an oil man, aqdopted a strict policy of censorship to see to it that no federal official, not even James Hanson, head of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies, would candidly and honestly explain all those grim global-warming stories."

It had been Hansen's habit to be very clear that the shrinking of Greenland's glaciers and the increased atmospheric loading of carbon dioxide, as well as the growing acidity of the world's oceans, are all part of a story that begins with the burning of fossil fuels. Hasen had begun to warn that without a reduction in "greenhouse gas" emissions, the planet would soon pass a 'tipping point'of sorts, where there will be no turning back. Of course, he was quickly silenced by G.W.Bush.

..."What the Bush administration has been especially adamant in censoring is teh research U.S. federal scientists have been doing in teh area of 'impacts and response strategies'. Mainly the strange events unfolding in British Columbia."

In order to have a real understanding of how the Earth has been effected in real examples, you would need to address the federal agency known as the Canadian Climate Inpacts and Adaptation and Research Network (C-CAIRN), which concentrates on the impacts and response strategies the White House doesn't want to hear about."

And if you were to ask such questions of Robin Sydneysmith, C-Cairn's B.C.coordinator, as I did teh other day, this is the answer you would get: "I'm not supposed to talk about it."

Why would G.W.Bush or the Bush administration censor facts from reaching the mainstream American Public?

Why wouldn't G.W.Bush and his administration attempt to educate Americans and improve on the wasteful burning of fossil fuels?

Why would they not be interested in acting in America's best interests?

Because it is not in their own best interests, so they censor what Americans are allowed to know and that keeps the peace and discounts the global warming threats. They focus on the more radical 'Chicken little's' of the world that make extreme claims, it's easy to discount those guys.

But with the war, and other issues regarding global relations, you were all well informed of course. Methinks American should start turning to international news and reading international papers, your own news is slanted and controlled in so many ways it's not funny.

While on the subject of ranting, Canadians were shown the return of a Canadian soldier killed in Kandahar, where Canada is now engaging in major battle as they work to keep it secure, they showed his wife crying as his casket was marched to the hearse by military personells and we all had a momnent to realize the reality of what is really happening in the Middle East. It's too bad America censors this type of news also and makes you believe it is not appropriate to show citizens what they are going through in the Middle East. The wife of the soldier was interviewed and said she thought it was great that her husband received a hero's welcome when he returned, and was not just part of a quiet stats count.

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What are you talking about?

by maxwell edison In reply to Bush accused of censorshi ...

You claim that President Bush is "censoring" these things from people? Are you serious? Why then, does EVERYBODY hear about these things AND MORE all the time.

This crap you come-up with about Bush "censoring" everything is ludicrous.

Besides, man-caused global warming is a farce based on junk science.

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The duped speaks again

by Oz_Media In reply to What are you talking abou ...

First of all, I quoted part of an article printed in local news about an Australian's book. (if it's Australian it MUST be crap!) yeah I know your extremely narrow train of thought quite well now.

Your problem is, Max, you simply don't know when to question your own government and when to believe them; half of it is bull and the other half is sh*t.

Second of all, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt you would reply with such comments. You are far too prepdictable when it comes to your defense of Bush and your fantastic government that does no wrong in the world.

Thridly, scientific FACT is not junk science. It is called fact, nothin gbut FACT. Are you possibly suggesting that these phenomenon are NOT increased by mans burning of fossil fuels? Provide alternate FACTS to support such a weak claim? (NOT from within America but from some other source in the world.) When scientists tht work for the government conclude such theories, they are generally basedon more than just their belief in one person's system of government or one persons suggestion.

If someone was once allowed to speak on something and the White House had requested they no longer provide that information puiblicly, then the White House has in turn censored that person. You know very well that the US government has heavily censored war reports dating back to WWI. Why is it so unbelievable that they would censor anything else? They have and do censor what you are allowed to see, that is undeniable, they even admit to it. Now all of a sudden it's unheard of and impossible? If you had a reasonable 'thought process', you would be dangerous!

I'm not quite sure what your definition of censorship would be but it sure isn't what the rest of us consider censorship.

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by TonytheTiger In reply to The duped speaks again

You could take that another way: If censorship is occurring, then what we are hearing must be false :)

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So what you are saying

by Oz_Media In reply to Censorship

Is that all the reports that GW is a farce are false? I agree.

I see the effects here, I don't know if it it as apparent there though.

We don't 'hear' as much as we 'see'.

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Well it's

by zlitocook In reply to Censorship

Like this every thing I say is true but what I say now is false but I never tell a lie so is what I say true or false?

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"This statement is a lie."

by Absolutely In reply to Well it's

Close your eyes and try to figure out whether that is true or false. Tell me how long it takes to get dizzy!

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Are you by any chance

by oneamazingwriter In reply to Well it's

the last guy I went out with? You sure sound like him!!

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I hope not!

by zlitocook In reply to Are you by any chance

The last girl I went out with was my wife in the 70's. But yes I am a big conspiracy fan and love to promote it any way I can.
Did you know that George Bush is an alien?

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by oneamazingwriter In reply to I hope not!

Does that mean that he can deport himself, or is he a further reaching alien than that and will have to transport himself!!

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by TonytheTiger In reply to Well it's

Yeah ... like you said.

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