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Bush-Hatred is a threat to national security

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Well said, Mort Kondracke

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asinine, ridiculous, absurd

by apotheon In reply to Bush-Hatred is a threat t ...

Idjits leaking sensitive information should be locked up. People working in such positions that they have the ability to leak that information should damned well know better than to do so over political differences: if they don't like what they're doing, they should damned well quit rather than becoming traitors and violating oaths.

On the other hand, equating that with the notion that "Bush-hatred" is a "threat to national security" is unreasonable Cult Of Patriotism BS to a frightening degree. I guess "love it or leave it" wasn't authoritarian enough for you.

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Ok now I am convinced

by JamesRL In reply to asinine, ridiculous, absu ...

You are not Max. My apologies. Unless you stepped away from the keyboard and your significant other posted your last reply.

James

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Y'know . . .

by apotheon In reply to Ok now I am convinced

. . . as I was hitting the "Submit My Comments" button, I thought of you.

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Cult of Patriotism? Give me a break!

by maxwell edison In reply to asinine, ridiculous, absu ...

Oh for Pete's sake. Talking about stretching something to the absurd.

I will say this, however. There are so many people who "hate Bush" to such a degree, and they are out to get him at every turn, regardless of what he does, that yes, I do believe they would even compromise national security to do it. All you have to do is listen to what Osama bin Laden says about President Bush, then listen to what the Democrats say about President Bush, and you couldn't tell the difference. They're both reading from the same script.

And the "lied about WMDs" is another case in point. Not only are they compromising national security in their zeal to destroy President Bush, but they're actually adding fuel to the fire of contempt towards the United States.

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It's not so much of a stretch.

by apotheon In reply to Cult of Patriotism? Give ...

There is sort of a "cult of patriotism". It's not a new thing, but it's a bigger thing currently than it has been in the last twenty years. Maybe you don't see it because you don't ever find yourself arguing with them -- but the screed to which you linked really has that flavor to it.

"There are so many people who 'hate Bush' to such a degree, and they are out to get him at every turn, regardless of what he does, that yes, I do believe they would even compromise national security to do it."
I'm in agreement with you on that one statement, taken in a vacuum. That doesn't mean that "hating Bush" is automatically a threat to national security, however. I personally find the guy's policies utterly reprehensible in most cases. They're despicable and horribly mismanaged. I still wouldn't ever do something like sell out any US soldiers to "get back at Bush".

I'm always surprised when someone points out very clear, reasonable, logically supportable arguments relating to how one of the two major political parties in the US is dead wrong about many things, and is completely blind to the same problems with different perspectives in the opposing party. That applies to you as well as it does to anyone else.

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Interesting

by maxwell edison In reply to It's not so much of a str ...

You said, "There is sort of a 'cult of patriotism'. It's not a new thing, but it's a bigger thing currently than it has been in the last twenty years. Maybe you don't see it because you don't ever find yourself arguing with them..."

Oh, I see it, but I don't consider it as bad a thing as a lot of people obviously do. And I'm as pissed at Islamo-Fascists today as I was on 9-11-01. And the more the rest of the world criticizes me for it, in any way at all, the more "patriotic" I might become. The world is Neville Chamberlain of 1936. I see the scope of the threat, they don't. And I've argued with them (the "patriots to whom you refer) as well, even on these threads. I don't like extremists from either side of an argument.

You said, "....but the screed to which you linked really has that flavor to it."

You should read more of Mort Kondracke to keep it in perspective.

You said, "I personally find the guy's (President Bush) policies utterly reprehensible in most cases. They're despicable and horribly mismanaged."

I'm not crazy about a lot his domestic policies, but in the arena of waging war against Islamo-Fascism, especially the "big picture", he's dedicated and unwavering, even in the face of enormous political criticism. Remember back to 9-12-01, and all the predictions that another attack on American soil was almost a given. Well, if it HAD happened, you can bet your *** that President Bush would have been blamed. But it hasn't happened, has it? And he's being "blamed" for that as well. All this rampant hate for Bush is clouding peoples' perspective. It's almost sick, if you ask me.

You said, "I'm always surprised when someone points out very clear, reasonable, logically supportable arguments relating to how one of the two major political parties in the US is dead wrong about many things, and is completely blind to the same problems with different perspectives in the opposing party. That applies to you as well as it does to anyone else."

That's a meaningless comment (That applies to you as well as it does to anyone else) unless you provide a specific instance and example. Provide one, and I'll comment and/or explain myself. But I won't presume to speak for others.

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Blamed

by Oz_Media In reply to Interesting

You're right, Max. GWB would take the rap either way, and if Kerry, Gore, or even Lincoln were in his position they would rightly be blamed also.

No it isn't directly his fault either way, but he has chosen to dedicate his life's work to holding the position of accountability and ultimate control. Before you claim he doesn't have 'ultimate control', you're right on that too, but he is the figurehead for anything and everything American government does or doesn't do. That's what the face of being president means.

It is only natural that Bush takes the heat either way, I am confident he will take the credit without hesitation too. Sure he will say "America has succeeded at this and that" but as HE represents America he will go down in history as the man who won the war. (notice the positive WILL's instead of WOULD's)

Bush is standing in front of the world and giving the nod, he is therefore rightly the person who people will reflect on either way.

It's just like all along here, where you have been pushing blame on "ANYONE but Bush". 'He didn't say that' but someone in his administration did. 'He didn't do that', but someone in his administration did. When a company fails or is sued out of existence, the employees don't take the blame as much as the boss does.

Why, in Bush's case, is he not to be held responsible for the actions and decisions carried forth by 'his' party?

He's a representative of everything American government does, ESPECIALLY when it come to foreign policy.

He does try to run his country like a corporation after though, and we all know how well his corporate record has done.

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He took a bankrupt,uncompetitive, baseball team to profitability.

by X-MarCap In reply to Blamed

The Rangers were not competitive, and losing money.

He took them to being a profitable team. He got a great price for the majority owners and bagged out. That isn't too bad. The team hasn't won championships, but for 85 years you couldn't say the same for the RED SOX one of the most financially successful teams in baseball.

I am an Indians Fan. I know ultimate baseball failure is to not make enough money to survive in your market.

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PEANUTS

by dawgit In reply to He took a bankrupt,uncomp ...

Jimmy Carter did it with P'nuts and dirt. I don't see anyone praise him here.

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Uh whatever

by Oz_Media In reply to He took a bankrupt,uncomp ...

So while I talk about GWB's business career, which has been focused on the oil companies that he helped sink and proved himself as a failure to the oil business, you refer to his business career after he questionably bailed out of Haliburton and bought a baseball team?

Like I said, uhhhh, whatever.

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