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Can a network is run without IP numbers?

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I have little knowledge (not for long) about WinXP. I went to a location where they have one Win98 PC and two WinXP (in such a brief visit, forgot if it was Pro or Home edition) pc's. The only network info on the Win98 PC is the workgroup name. It has no IP's assigned at all, yet can view the other computers. Is XP acting as a DHCP server? If that is the case, how do I tell which one it is? Never have done much work with DHCP (and don't know why someone would set up a small network with it being it uses dial up net access).

Any advice is appreciated.

Thank you!

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by mike mullins

The WIN98 machine (and the XPs) were probably running NETBUI instead of IP. This protocol loads by default with WIN98 and can provide local network capability. This would allow that machine to communicate with the XP machines in a workgroup environment and prevent internet access (NETBUI isn't a routable protocol)

Good Luck,
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by r. a. caluste

answer #1 is correct. if the network is using network protocols other than the TCP/IP (the one with ip numbers), it could have been running NETBEUI or NWLink IPX/SPX (for novell networks), or even AppleTalk.

by chrisrlg

I am not an expert on this - but I thought that if not directly assigned that windows assigns a defult IP address using a hash key (such as a random number generator) so that it does not clash with others on the network.

by pedro.v

Answer #1 is somewhat relevant, NETBEUI is indeed a protocal that needs no configuration, and is supported by any windows version (nut sure about the 3.x but anyway...)
It enables you to use file sharing between clients.

Another option is that they are using TCP/IP, which can also function whithout any confirguration if you have a small, non-routed network.
If you configure your clients to get their ip address from a DHCP server, it will work, even if there is none present.
The network card will then revert to what is called an APIPA address...
basicly this is a reserved ip address range that isn't used on the internet. The clients communicate with each other, and then choose an available random address within that range...
from the windows help:
* The range of IP addresses (from 169.254.0.1 through 169.254.255.254) used for APIPA is reserved by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). Any IP addresses within this range are not used on the Internet.

but if you want it done good, just configure some static ip addresses from the private ranges
refer to http://rfc.codefactory.se/ for more info.

another possiblity might also be:
If one of those WinXp clients is configured to have a Internet Connection Sharing(ICS) enabled it can function as a small DHCP server, which enables you to share files between the clients and access the internet from all computers
This automatically configures the computer sharing the connection to have 192.168.0.1 as address and gives a DHCP address to the other clients in the same C-class range

BRs

by pedro.v

Answer #1 is somewhat relevant, NETBEUI is indeed a protocal that needs no configuration, and is supported by any windows version (nut sure about the 3.x but anyway...)
It enables you to use file sharing between clients.

Another option is that they are using TCP/IP, which can also function whithout any confirguration if you have a small, non-routed network.
If you configure your clients to get their ip address from a DHCP server, it will work, even if there is none present.
The network card will then revert to what is called an APIPA address...
basicly this is a reserved ip address range that isn't used on the internet. The clients communicate with each other, and then choose an available random address within that range...
from the windows help:
* The range of IP addresses (from 169.254.0.1 through 169.254.255.254) used for APIPA is reserved by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). Any IP addresses within this range are not used on the Internet.

but if you want it done good, just configure some static ip addresses from the private ranges
refer to http://rfc.codefactory.se/ for more info.

another possiblity might also be:
If one of those WinXp clients is configured to have a Internet Connection Sharing(ICS) enabled it can function as a small DHCP server, which enables you to share files between the clients and access the internet from all computers
This automatically configures the computer sharing the connection to have 192.168.0.1 as address and gives a DHCP address to the other clients in the same C-class range

BRs

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