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Is the hype created by Certification Agencies (CQA, Lead Assessor, etc.) justified? Do these certifications really improve your knowledge or are they just the current hot items?

Is it worth spending all that money to earn certifications or should one invest in something more tangible?

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by gaspul

for me certification justifies your experties, am not saying that those who are not certified in their respected field are not knowledgable at all. There are many experienced IT pro out there that are not cert. Taking certifications improve your knowledge bcoz you study more and learn more in order to pass the exam. I say it's worth spending money on it, if you're already certified your market value will increase as well.

by kgividen

There is no question that being certified in something, is a good thing. The badge that says ?you are capable? at dealing with a specific technology or performing a certain task. Some of these are rather large and I don't mean to downplay them at all. However, it's been my experience that certification can sometimes be used as a cruch. The money making schemes of those issuing the certification or in some cases, a corporate marketing ploy to advance product recognition.
My understanding isthat certification programs manifested as a result of vague CS degrees from Universities and the rapid emergence of new technologies, protocols, and methodologies. To be certified meant that you could ?handle? the technology, but so does proven experience. Think of the web developer; graphics, special relationship, scripting, human factors, and a bit of networking thrown into the soup. These people would need to spend most of their earnings on certification, in order to ?prove? that they canbuild a multi-tiered web structure. In actuality, most of them merely build a bigger mouse trap, I mean website.
But I digress. If you are going to work with a specific technology, say Solaris, and that?s going to be the main part of your world, then you should get certification, not for prove that you understand what you?re doing, put to make certain that you know what you know. If on the other hand, you?re going to be certified in something like a methodology ? then it?s more of a culture(corporate and other) concept and you could more effectively ?show? your working knowledge of it.
Ah, I think that?s what I think; certification in a point of technology or an aspect is a good thing, experience shows that you understand how the wave of technology is flowing.
Personally, most of the certifications that I see are in the hands of people that don?t really show me that they can handle it.
-an opinion

by tomlingus

So you get a new coworker and they don't seem to know what you know.

And you do what - you bitch about them.

???

by the chalky

Certification to someone like myself was absolutely essential. Coming to the IT industry at the tender age of 38 as the computer "expert" in our company scared the s**t out of me for a while. As our desktops were exclusively W95, then MCP in this area has been tremendous.

This is the Yes.

The No applies to a friend who has been working with MS solutions since 1986. He doesn't need the certification either to prove his ability to prospective employers or to prove to himself that he knows what he knows.

The hype created by Certification is what any good organisation should do. It is called marketing and they are trying to learn from Microsoft, probably the best marketing organisation in history. After all, it is only with the advent of W2K that they appear to have a stable OS - although secrity is still an issue. Prior to this there were better products around, yet the marketing of their competition was clearly very poor.

Good luck to the certification companies, but Iguess the final question should be left to the individual. Will I be taking more certifications? Yes, but only with products that I REALLY need to learn about - and fast!

by tomlingus

Why do people with a couple of years experience feel they are better then the rest of us, like paper mcses.

by generalist

I'd say that the process of gaining a certification can help you learn a lot, even if you have been in the field for a few years.

For example, I've been playing around with PCs for more than fifteen years and knew a fair amount about them. When I took a vocational tech course that resulted in A+ certification, I learned a lot more. I'd guess that I knew 60 to 70 percent of the essentials well enough to be comfortable with them. But I needed the course to get the certification.

The samecourse got me to the point where I was able to pass the Network+ exam. That was an area where I vaguely knew a lot of the terms, again from having been around networks for twenty odd years.

In both cases I had experience with the certification topic but I lacked adequate knowledge. Getting the certifications helped equalize things.

by estinct

People who are certified demand more money.
Some certified Network Engineers don't even know how to install applications. I mean simple applications installation.

by kp288

Speaking for myself, I'm a certified network engineer with about 9+ years of network administration experience.

by tomlingus

So you know more than them and they're certified and make more money?

Why don't you get certified.

by lbmw

Being new to IT (18mos exp.) and certified, I take great offense at your remark. I've worked with several people with their BS/CS degrees, most couldn't even build a pc that would POST (not a generalized statement guys!) or install/config and OS. Several would have to escalate their calls to me just to do a simple reg hack. I also worked as a field engineer for a major bank deploying L/T's and D/T's to several thousand users. During that time, I became team-lead, and a few of the six techs I led had as much as ten years or more experience. How did i become team lead if i'm certified? I've have found that yes, to some degree, some people use certs as a cruch.But guess what? Some people also use experience as one. I know that some of these people know vastly more than I do (for now), but can and do they know how to apply it? What about their work ethic- are they willing to what it takes to get the job done. Be careful about making sweeping generalizations- it makes your ignorance show through like a wet tee-shirt.
BTW- how secure is your network?

by colink

In my experience, bit as a techie and as a manager there is plenty to be said either way.
As a techie I would study to become proficient in the fields of expertise needed to the company I work for, and to ensure I remain marketable. After all the market is the measure of my salary. If that includes achieving certain certificates then so be it. But it is more important to me to remain able to cope with current technology changes, and apply them appropriately when asked. It is also - be warned -good to know where I am not expert and be able to admit it and search out where I can get the expertise. This adds as much value, often, as knowing the answer.

As a manager I expect my technical people to know what they need to to do the job efficiently. If they don't know I do not want to be mucked around wasting time and resources when a simple admission would save all the time and hassle. I want results, not wally's. Certification proves the person is able to sustain studying for a periodof time, and repeat the results of the study. It does not prove knowledge. Working over a period of time, and being able to show some form of reference slightly outweighs certification (70/30). Certification and experience incerases the persons worth every time. But I will expect commesurate competence.

This applies to any field of endevour, not just IT. Marketing machines have promoted effectively to IT people the value of on-going training, but the price is steeper thant the gain, especially in some popular areas.

by implementor

I find a lot of people getting certified in a particular certification all of a sudden.. In some cases, even the concepts of some of them are not clear. An example: A colleague of mine recently got certified in the database-mgmt-related certification of the biggest player around. However, he was at a loss of words when I asked him to help me copy a table with its structure and data within a database. This may be a freak example, but it underlines the fact that you CAN get certified by mugging up the quesstion-answer sets that are readily available for a few bucks.

by epepke

Even I know how to do that, at least in SQL Plus. I've found, though, that DBA's know astonishingly little about actually using the database.

by colink

I agree with you that certification becomes dubious when the basic-101's are not covered. It appalls me to hear stories such as yours as it demonstrates how much emphasis is now given to high-level interpreters and handlers, without the person usingthem even understanding the background basics. I have personally seen this in networking, and it is demonstrated in the huge shortage of quality programmers able to adapt to smaller environments (eg PDA's).
Prerequisites for certification should recognise that basics do need to be tested as much as the advanced topics. Even experience does not always teach the right information.

by tech wiz

This may be true with most certifications out there, just being able to memorize steps and procedures is one thing, to actually learn and apply are two different animals.

For some certs, one could pass and certify without ever being on a PC, unlikely, whereas one Network cert requires a two day hands on lab for the top level cert. I believe the cert is also only as valuable as a prospective empoyer believes it to be, assuming they've heard of it and recognise it. It could be a lot hard of work for you, if this hiring manager doesn't know what it takes, could be little or no help.

Is a cert of value?? Could be the edge to get you in the door as well!!

by mic2221

Certification is good but depends on person. Sometimes I feel unfair to those not certified expert. People just pay less compare to those certified guys just know how to talk (although it just small group).

by implementor

I think it is a big marketing gimmick... Your certification is valid only for a specified period. Then you need to go for re-certification, as it will not look good if your certification expired. So once you enter the arena, you're stuck for the rest of your career...and the certifying body (mostly the software producers themselves) keep on milking you...So rather that develop languages that can be used by all, they keep on developing them in such a way that there is a distinction between the haves and have-nots...

by oldefar

Both certifications and experience are ways for hiring managers to thin out the applicants. The same applies for degrees of all levels.

What is important is how the applicant works out. For this, I suggest a peer review in addition to management review. Often times peers recognize strengths or weaknesses that management misses.

Is there justification for linking pay to certifications or experience? In some instances. For example, being able to claim certifications for everyone on staff can provide a distinctive business value when selling an IT service. However, it adds no value to the IT department of say a retail chain. The value comes with performance.

I submit that beyond thinning out the applicants, certification and experience add no inherent value. How individuals tackle challanges and interact with others is where the real value occurs. Pay for the performance.

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