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By TheBooManChu ·
There is something that has been bothering me for quite a while now, so I am throwing it out just to seewhere it goes. It is a matter of semantics for the most part, but I wonder sometimes if it doesn't affect people more deeply than being just a word.

I have read through the Constitution more than once, and have never once seen the word "Democracy". Now I have not taken any "political science" classes or the like, in fact I am probably somewhat ignorant on the subject, but from what I understand this country was originally established as a "Representative Republic". Bejamin Franklin said (source unknown)"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote".

I am interested in what other points of view there are on this!

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by timwalsh In reply to Democracy

The simple definition of democracy: form of government where the "people" (i.e. the citizenry) exercise political power.

The definition of a republic: system where the head of state is not selected on a hereditary basis.

There are two types of democracy: direct and representative.

In a direct democracy, every citizen has equal power in all matters of government; every citizen has a direct input in decision making; Simple majority rules; Benjamin Franklin was referring to this simplest form of democracy

In a representative democracy, the "people" elect representatives who hold the decision making power.

So most properly, you could say the US is a Democratic Republic.

In reality, pure democracy hasn't exist since probablyancient Greece.

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Not quite correct.

by jardinier In reply to Semantics

Democracy derives from the Greek words "demos" the people, and "kratia" to rule.

Whilst a form of democracy was practised in some Greek city-states from the 6th century B.C., Aristotle's Constitution of Athens shows that in Athens, all CITIZENS, rich or poor, participated fully in government.

The catch is that about 90 per cent of the population, including minors, women, slaves and foreigners, were not classed as citizens.

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Democracy is Dangerous and Stupid.

by admin In reply to Democracy

Rule of the mediocre at best. At worst, you have the French Revolution again which was, if you study history, what happens in a "Pure" Democracy.

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Nearly right but you forgot

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Democracy is Dangerous an ...

Pre WW11 Germany where a then little known person who managed to involve Religion/Politics and predious into a coherant political form actually contested and eventually won power in a Democratic ellection. His name was Adlof Hitler and we all know where that led.

Now what checks and ballances are in place anywhere in the world to prevent that from happening again?

Just 1 last observation after WW11 finished Germany was divided roughly in half so they would never pose a threat to civilised society again, now that Germany has been reunited how long do you think it will take for them to build up into the major power that they once where?

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Colin - there you go again

by maxwell edison In reply to Nearly right but you forg ...

You said, "Germany was divided roughly in half so they would never pose a threat to civilised society again." WRONG AGAIN, Colin.

It was divided in half because the huge American and British armies entering from the west were facing a HUGE sovietarmy entering from the east, and neither army (or government) was willing to give up any ground. Perhaps General Patton was right.'s%20Warning.html


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General Paton had a habit

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Colin - there you go agai ...

Of putting his foot in his mouth when he was away from his beloved tanks and did cause his superior officers quite a lot of trouble by his coments.

But what I said was correct there was an agreement between the US & British forces on one side andthe Russian forces on the other side {the Russian forces incidently had Americian troops as well but not all that many} and all of these forces where Allies as they fought together with aid from each other America sent quite a lot of weapons ect to Russia in case you forgot and even more Russians than Jews where killed by the invasion of Russia. I think it was in the order of somewhere near 20,000,000 Russian people killed or died as a direct result of the German invasion. I'm sure you'll look that one up and come up with a different number but I will settle for a Bloody Lot more Russian than Jews died as a result of the German invasion. Of course this is not all that important as it is the Jews who suffered as a result of Hilters Ego but he felt the same way about the Russians as everyone else and they where only slightly better than the Jews who where at the bottomof the pile.

But what is the funny thing here is it was a German Jew in WW1 who discovered a way of getting Nitrogenfrom the air to use to make explosives this caused the British blocade of the superfosfaite to be ineffective durring WW1. But Hilter hatted the Jews and they are the ones who are remembered as suffering under his rule and as the Russians had by then become the enemy their suffering was not considered as important.

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Max I'd still like your thoughts on

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Colin - there you go agai ...

The questionthat I posted at

Now this is a direct link to a US publication so you can't in any way hold me responsible for its content. But I am interested in the opinions of US citizens. Unless you wish to call up President Bush on his cell phone again to get directions on how to answer this.

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Max there you go again

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Colin - there you go agai ...

I stand by what I said previously Germany was roughly devided in half bla bla bla and if you actually took the time to read the postings that you so kindly provided us all with namely

You would be aware that it was aPolitical Decission to devide Germany and not a miletary decission.

Maybe Paton was correct but it was not his place to call the matter he was under ORDERS to do as his political Masters decreeded and they insisted that he hold his troops at a certain point and wait for the Russians to meet him there. After this occurred the politions then set about dividing up Germany in a fashion that suited themselves.

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Churchill Variations

by generalist In reply to Democracy is Dangerous an ...

A 'wrong' implementation of democracy is definitely dangerous and stupid. Of course, a 'wrong' implementation of any government can be the same.

With that in mind, consider the following quotes which are attributed to Winston Churchill.

'Democracy is the worst form of government, with the exception of all others.'

'Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time.'

'A monarchy is a merchantman which sails well, but will sometimes strike on a rock, and go to the bottom; a republic is a raft which willnever sink, but then your feet are always in the water.'

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by admin In reply to Churchill Variations

I rather enjoyed those :)

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