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Detainee torture at Guantanamo?

By Aldanatech ·
According to Reuters, the International Committee of the Red Cross has accused the U.S. military of using tactics "tantamount to torture" on prisoners at the U.S. Naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a claim the Pentagon flatly rejected.

Responding to a leaked ICRC memorandum in The New York Times on Tuesday, the Pentagon strongly denied allegations of abuse of prisoners being held at the base and the State Department said it believed detainees were treated humanely.

"We vehemently deny any allegations of torture at Guantanamo Bay and reject categorically allegations that the treatment of detainees at Guantanamo is improper," said Pentagon spokesman Navy Lt. Cmdr. Flex Plexico.

He said in written comments the Defense Department had conducted a number of investigations into allegations of abuse at Guantanamo Bay and found "no credible instances" of abuse.

Citing the confidential memorandum, The New York Times said an ICRC inspection team that spent most of June at Guantanamo Bay reported the use of psychological and sometimes physical coercion on prisoners.

Red Cross investigators found a system devised to break the will of prisoners through "humiliating acts, solitary confinement, temperature extremes, use of forced positions."

"The construction of such a system, whose stated purpose is the production of intelligence, cannot be considered other than an intentional system of cruel, unusual and degrading treatment and a form of torture," the Times quoted the report as saying.

ICRC ASKS FOR ACTION

In Geneva, the ICRC said it would neither confirm nor deny the report, in which allegations of treatment tantamount to torture go further than what the neutral intermediary has publicly stated before about inmates held at Guantanamo.

But, in a statement, the Geneva-based ICRC said it remained concerned that "significant problems regarding conditions and treatment at Guantanamo Bay have not yet been adequately addressed," and it was pursuing talks with U.S. authorities.

Authorities are now holding at the U.S. base in Cuba more than 500 people detained during the 2001 U.S. war to oust al Qaeda and the ruling Taliban from Afghanistan and in other operations in the U.S. war against terror. The ICRC began visiting in early 2002.

The Times said the U.S. government and military officials received the ICRC report in July and rejected its findings.

Asked about the report, White House spokesman Scott McClellan declined to get into specifics but said the Bush administration always addressed Red Cross concerns.

"We strongly disagree with any characterization that suggests the way the detainees are being treated is inconsistent with the policies that the president outlined," McClellan told reporters traveling with the president on a visit to Canada.

The State Department said it took also Red Cross reports on the treatment of detainees "very, very seriously" but believed Guantanamo prisoners were being held in humane conditions.

"We certainly do not condone the torture of detainees in our custody," said State Department spokesman Richard Boucher.

Human rights groups and lawyers have criticized the United States for holding prisoners at the base indefinitely but the U.S. government has taken the position the detainees are "enemy combatants" not entitled to prisoner-of-war protections.

It has begun a process of holding individual trials, called tribunals, for prisoners to determine their status.

The United States has also been criticized for its treatment of prisoners in Iraq, particularly at Abu Ghraib prison, where detainees were abused and sexually humiliated by their American guards.

An ICRC report leaked to the media in May found the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. soldiers was in some cases tantamount to torture.

Do you think the prisoners at Guantanamo are in fact being victims of torture?

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=2&u=/nm/20041130/ts_nm/security_guantanamo_redcross_dc_5

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Member Torture at TechRepublic

by maxwell edison In reply to Detainee torture at Guant ...

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Geesh, Aldanatech, give it up already. Your act is getting as old and distasteful as moldy bread.....or curdled milk.....or rotten fruit.....or.....or.....or.....

Haven't you noticed the lack of participation in your constant barrage of "bash" messages? People are tired of it.

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Three replies (other than your own):

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163650&start=0

Two replies (other than your own):

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Zero replies (other than your own):

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163946&start=0

Three replies (other than your own):

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=164099&start=0

Zero replies (other than your own):

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163690&start=0

Three people replied:

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163647&start=0

Great for a laugh:

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163589&start=0

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Your motives are as obvious as the sun up in the sky -- and you aren't even original about it. And can't you come up with a written opinion of your own? (I know, you don't have the time.)

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Thanks Max

by Oz_Media In reply to Member Torture at TechRep ...

I cringed when I opened new discussions and this was at the top.

Then much to my dismay, it was ANOTHER political post from the same upset person.

And I thought I was bad and needed to give it a rest after the election!

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By the way Oz...

by Aldanatech In reply to Thanks Max

I heard that several demonstrators sit in front of a police line at the museum where Bush was attending a dinner. You are a little closer to the action than I am at this point. What do you know about it?

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All I know

by Oz_Media In reply to By the way Oz...

All I heard was a short snippet on CBC news about the immense costs for security and all the logistics involved, pi**ed off Canadians are even more pi**ed off now because thier tax dollars are being wasted on GWB's field trip.

Now you say he was close to me, I thought he was going to Ottowa or something, if so it's a good 2000km's from me. If he's in Victoria for a layover or something, then it certainly hasn't been news here and I was IN Victoria just the other day.

Nobody gives a crap about Bush here, as long as he stays out of our lives and doesn't cause our government to waste our tax money, he's as invisible as our own politicians, who would be hard pressed to be recognized in the mall while shopping.

Addendum: I looked it up and he's actually in Halifax, I did live close ot there for a year and a bit but now it's like the distance between Seattle and New York, completely across the country, 3000kms. whereas it would be just under 4000kms for you. I suppose we are both MANY miles away from him, not that I have a problem with that. :)

Simple search:http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/12/01/ottawa-protest041201.html

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Thanks Oz

by Aldanatech In reply to All I know

Thank you Oz. This and the other articles are very informative. As for our distances to Bush, yeah, you're right. Neither of us was significantly closer to him, but I figured that the Canadian media would provide a better insight -- which nicely compliments with a Canadian's own point of view.

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Is that suppose to matter?

by Aldanatech In reply to Member Torture at TechRep ...

Hey, if you don't like answering to political discussions then don't answer them -- especially if they bother you because they criticize this administration in any way.

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On the protests

by Oz_Media In reply to Detainee torture at Guant ...

See even when protesting, Canadians have a sense of humour and a light hearted approach.

Canadians from the maritimes are a really fun bunch of the nicest people you could meet though.

"A couple of reporters did a count and figured there are about 2,500 people marching through the streets. That's huge for this city.

They're having fun out here. Sure, there are signs calling Bush a terrorist. But people are laughing and they do have a sense of humour about this.

I saw one sign that said "Frodo has failed. Bush has the ring." Another sign said "The only Bush I trust is my own."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/continentaldivide/diary_halifax.html

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Here's some good Canadian dirt for you

by Oz_Media In reply to Detainee torture at Guant ...

Arrested development: Challenges in Canada-U.S. relations
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/continentaldivide/index.html

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an interesting psychological view of the visit

by Oz_Media In reply to Detainee torture at Guant ...

Watching recaps of the visit, many very distincive body language hints are shownfrom both men.

When entering parliment, Bush is looking into the distance whilst Martin is using hand gestures and facial expressions to 'talk business' with him. Martin appears to have the upper hand.

Bush realizes this as they enter the lobby and decides to smile and wave at a camera directly in front of them. Bush now levels the field of attention.

BUT, Martin quickly followed with the identical gesture to another camera, showing he is boss. Martin is one up now.

During the signing, Martin and his wife stand behind the seated Buch and Larua, the attention is 100% on Bush and he and Laura both glow with excitement. Bush levels the field.

Martin then starts to show immediate signs of discontent and insecurity. He begins by scratching the side of his nose by the corner of his eye. This is an automatic human motion when upset or insecure. He then follows this by fixing the button on his jacket and, the biggest hint of insecurity yet, touches a finger to his brow. This is where Martin begins to take over.

While leaving the room, Martin constantly holds his hand out to Bush's back (in a guiding motion) yet never actually touches him. He is in essence 'ushering him out' while showing he is in control of the room. Martin starts to regain confidence.

All in all, Bush showed himself to be a man who needs to be the center of attention and needs to be desired.

Martin showed himself as a man who's USED to being the center of attention/admiration and needs to stay on top of whoever is in the room. Perhaps this is how BOTH of these men have succeeded in winning the hearts of the majority of the voters.

These two men probably spend more time countering each others mannerisms and posturing than they do actually THINKINING HARD about how they can better the world (not just thier own nations).

Politicians...as boring as the whole trip really is they are actually interesting to watch when you are looking for mannerisms. The exact same way I got bad vibes when watching early Bush speeches, only to find out much of what he was saying turned out to be the insecure 'deceptions'/'misinformations' behind the issues leading up to and during the Iraq war.

Kinda like watching the monkeys at the zoo really!

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Good Voice Over

by ProtiusX In reply to an interesting psycholog ...

When I was reading this the tempo reminded me of a British football match. "Kinsington off to Rogers and Rogers takes it up field. Rogers passes to Wiathbottom and then back to Kingsington. Kingsington kicks it hard in and... GOAL!" ;o)

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