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by xentity

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by tony hopkinson

Christianity had the goal of world domination for about 1500 years, and countenanced atrocities that make 9/11 look like a kid super gluing your letter box shut.

Talked to any inca's lately. Thought about moving out and giving the red indians their country back?

While you are at it, can I please have my yuletide back, some git of a christian took it from my forefathers at sword point.

Don't ever preach at me about how your religion is better than some other git's when it's christianity, you haven't got a ducking stool to stand on.

Love my big pink ass.

Hate, fear, intolerance, death, manipulation, treason, insurrection, torture, pederasty, mutilation, all high points in the history of YOUR religion, not mine.

Love is what they say, look at what they done.

By his works ye shall know him

Doesn't just count for god that one. You as well. Preach hate and fear and reap what you sow.

It's you who should be worried about going to hell, you believe in it. If Jesus as portrayed in the bible was corporeal today, he would be your enemy.

You be in the back washing your hands while a couple of your goons stuck him in guantanamo

by absolutely

That was Absolutely beautiful, man! I just wish I could keep my cool well enough to say it half that eloquently when I see or hear some git pretend that his superstition is the first, last, and only word on human behavior.

by tony hopkinson

Make up your mind after the facts instead of making them fit what you believe. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Electrocuted any homosexuals lately, or were you busy making sure you got respect from your children?

by absolutely

The time has passed slowly for me also, probably owing to having found a certain recently-removed monster thread shortly after creating a login name, and having joined the slug-fest full tilt. Since then, I've barely piped down long enough to breathe.

by deepsand

Now, I see that, like me, you're having trouble finding the time to keep current on a daily basis, and are resigned to spending sporadic long shifts trying to play catch-up.

This is my first extended return in a week; thank the Gods that FF's "Find" function actually works on this site, unlike that of IE, so that I can search for Post Dates on or after my last visit here.

by jaqui

that leaves me out as well.

no chest hair on me.
and at 42, if it was gonna grow it would have. :D

by maecuff

That ship probably sailed a long time ago. And really, I don't know many women who wouldn't prefer a smooth chest over chest hair that,s long enough to braid.

by Member 25348569

But as the storms were pretty much predicted and the boat was moored 50yds from shelter, they'd have to have been pretty dumb unless they were living on board!

:D

by maecuff

While I KNOW you aren't Mr. Miami, he had the habit of announcing his departure, just like you did.

by jaqui

I've been good about ignoring the original post. :D
everyone else is doing fine ripping him a new one, I'll just add the offbeat humour.

by jaqui

chest hair?
~shudder~

no thanks.

braiding the long curly mop on my head is enough thanks :D
[ it is halfway to my waist in length, and unfortunately, it naturally goes into "Shirley Temple"* curls if I don't work at controlling them ]
All my female friends love my hair, I hate it!!.
curly hair, the bane of existence!!

* Those curls that form a tube of hair.
[ danged curls will twist both ways in each tube..a lock curling in either direction so it makes a really obvious tube. ]

by jaqui

hey, with all the peers here, the marketing is taken care of.
[ They will want to enjoy the smell and have the videos as well. ]:) ]

production, the press always want to film electrocutions, so there's the film.
putting a tank on the exhaust fan for the chamber to catch the scent of burning flesh from the frying body is the scent we'll need.
maybe we can get pepsi to handle the bottling. ]:)
[ Micheal Jackson Pepsi commercial ]:) *poof* up in flames ]

by dmambo

I am deeply impressed. It's quite apparent by the replies that many people were able to stay awake long enough to read your entire post. One just can't say enough about the mental acuity of the TR community.

Coffee has amazing powers, doesn't it?

by faradhi

You keep looking for the point, and telling yourself it has got to get better, and it keeps getting more pointless and worse. And when the final credits roll you think, WOW, That's two hours of my time I will never get back.

by dmambo

but I'm going to slap up some mahogany paneling in my office so that when I read more tripe like this, it feels more...um...it is my supposition that one could only label the sensation as "intellectual".

I think it's more like a train wreck. I read the first post and was hoping that Neil or Tony H or somebody else with the requisite skills would start the carnage. I wasn't disappointed! And mae's posts were like seeing the demonlished car under the engine's wheels and MrMiami2's remains sticking out from under. (See, I kept the metaphor going cuz I'm intellectual, too)

You, on the other hand, kept a civil tone (but I read your posts anyway :) ).

by jdclyde

that there can be no reasonable discussions about or concerning religion?

Since different people worship different things, if you bow down at the ever changing alter of science, does that always make you reasonable?

Are there never science "theories" or "facts" that contradict each other? Have there never been scientific "theories" or "facts" that have been found to later be untrue?

Another angle, how about literary works? Because Shakespeare didn't write about actual events, there can be no reasonable discussions about his work?

I concede that if someone says they killed the 20 homeless people because god told him to, while interesting, will rarely have much to do with reason.

You know the old saying, Never count on absolutes when you make a general statement. B-)

by absolutely

[b]every[/b] other topic in which he posts. If the topic wasn't religion in the first place, and hasn't explicitly referenced a religion, logically introduction of religion to that topic is an emotive reflex not an intellectual decision.

by tony hopkinson

erm 'hard held' positions no.

I never claimed I could have a reasonable conversation about religion, I can be polite to a point, then some twit tells me I'm going to hell or I've got no morals, sticky brown stuff in the rotary impeller.

I seem to remember you and me agreeing to differ once on religion, that was about as close to reasonable as either of us could get. :D

Some won't even go that far.

by dawgit

Shakespeare didn't writ about Actual events? Are you now going to tell me studying his works all that time was for nut'n? One could say we are in the 'Tempest' now. -d

by dmambo

2Bad, please disregard sandy's admonition. We WANT to know the findings of your study.

by jamesrl

As a member of the conservative party for the past three decades, I've visited some of these institutions, and three decades ago many of them were still male only.

Let me disabuse you of the notion that they were places of high intellectual discussion. Yes that did happen on occasion, but most often they were a refuge from the cares of the day, and talk was as often on business as anything else.

I was often invited to these haunts to hear a speaker in cases where the party rented a room. We were given priveleges to arrive early and stay late. Its suprising how little debate went on - it was mostly people of the same "class" who agreed on most things. There was lots of gossip - political and business, but not much debate among members who shared a lot in common.

I've witnessed many more intellectual discussions in the local cheap beer hall, or university pub, places that were accessable to all. Some of the more interesting debates I've had were at small parties. I've participated in National mock parliaments, worked for a member of Parliament, attended policy conventions. Good debate has no need of the right setting, it can happen just as well in informal as formal settings.

I admit I don't understand all of your point. I might suggest you are overthinking the matter a tad.

James

by xentity

I wrote in a recent paper that the key to engaging in a productive conversation is an appreciation of the forum. The ?colloquium? is an informal meeting for the exchange of views usually in a seminar setting having numerous speakers separated into topical rooms. An attendee may travel from room-to-room and engage the speaker or small groups. ?Journals and publications? are more formal and are employed to spawn intellectual conversations by invitation to comment on a study, report, or article that centers on a curious topic within a discipline. The Request For Comment, RFC, is a democratization of intellectual rigor and is used to conduct highly technical knowledge exchanges then effect practical solutions if everyone agrees. Finally, ?casual dialogues? are most common and often spontaneously occur between people of similar and/or benchmarked disciplines.

The original post was a part of a much more lengthy paper on intellectual conduct and behavior where I discussed the use of rhetorical devices.

My point was to stir a dialogue on the process of conducting meaningful exchanges. What happened was the dialogue was highjacked and I went with the flow.

by deepsand

1) Your opening post does not even offer a suggestion of your now stated intent in starting this thread.

2) Absent any evidence to the contrary, you should expect that your opening post will be taken to stand alone, and interpreted within the context of your prior comportment in other discussion.

In short, if you act the fool, do not be surprised when you are taken for one.

by absolutely

"The original post was a part of a much more lengthy paper on intellectual conduct and behavior where I discussed the use of rhetorical devices."

But, if it was an academic paper, you already knew that.

by faradhi

Do you really consider insults as part of the [i]process of conducting meaning exchanges[/i]? That statement may have been believed if you actually refrained from insults.

However, what seems to have happened is that you got your feeling hurt because some people told you that what you wrote can be found in great abundance in cow pastures.

Someone who truly wishes to engage in intellectual dialog would have posted their intent when it became clear their intent was misunderstood. You sir are no intellectual.

Oh, and before your retort, I never claimed to be.

by jdclyde

Not defend the bad one. B-)

After my two hour drive through the ice storm to get to work, he was the first puppy I found to kick! :D

Sorry to detract from the dismantling of that twit. You, Sandy, and Neil (plus a few others here and there) are providing great merriment!

Please, do continue! ;\

by Member 25348569

I have no chest hair or black glasses (certainly not chest hair that can twine around my glasses(which I don't have)), my house boasts NO mahogany whatsoever, I disagree bluntly, I show TOTALLY inappropriate humour (I fart during Bible discussions (loudly)) and I'm just a barbarian.

Given that I so respect the thoughts of MrMiamiis2Bad4Geobub, I'm not sure that my psyche could survive further proof of my barbarity.

by dmambo

We wouldn't want 2Bad4U to become a psyche killer (...qu'est-ce que c'est ba ba ba ba ba, ba ba ba).

by absolutely

They have 'wilds' of chest hair about them because they are hanging about the intellectuals' necks from those little leash things you can buy in the geriatric section of the pharmacy. Now, if I could only locate a pocket protector...

by jdclyde

gg doesn't see that you like holding your positions hard..... :0

It was bad enough having to read about 2bad4u's fantasies about hairy chested men sucking on cigars! Then to take it a step further by not having any women around to interfere with the all male orgy was WAY out there.

Come to think of it, I am surprised MAE didn't make that connection!

:p

by maecuff

you nimrod. I pointed out how homo-erotic the men's club sounded. At least his fantasy version of it...

by jdclyde

would you call someone a great hunter while at the same time pointing out that that same person missed a post?

Oh, I get it.

Hey Neil, is THAT Irony? I can never tell and do get so confused........

by gadgetgirl

Tony.

You naughty boy.

Holding a hard position. And you just deciding to tie the knot, too.

Oh. Sorry. I gettit! You're "saving yourself" for the wedding night, right?

:D :p

So, no need to buy a vibrator for your other half for the wedding present then?! :D :p

]:)

GG

I'm bored. Can you tell?! ]:)

by tony hopkinson

an all male club is the last bastion of hetero-sexuality. He's a bit f'ed up in my opinion.
I suspect his room in the club is a closet.

by jamesrl

The "Occam" spelling is the one used since the term was coined, but the person whose thoughts formed the theory was indeed William of Ockham.

I could find no references at all to Acumen's razor - do you have a cite?

James

by Member 25348569

calling you Nimrod for missing a post was irony. Only one word but executed well.

"The use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning"

Mae never misses. :D

by tednyhan

Clearly you are not an intellectual as many of your views on this subject are completely devoid of thought and analytical process.
Your "theory", if one must call it that,which states that one must be "practiced" in the art of intellectual dialogue is ridiculous and I condemn you for your unsupported drivel on such a pure topic.

by absolutely

Although paying attention to that drivel is tiring, being mentally fatigued by it is the sign of being equipped with a mind, not a mere voice recorder.

by absolutely

tidy up this shark tank. Y'all well-fed for a couple days, or do I need to try to provoke MrsMiami?

by tig2

is it time to use the button??? I have so wanted to use the button!!!

by deepsand

I, too, have oft time longed for such a Button. While it's been suggested to smorty, in another thread, he's shown no interest in such.

I'd ask Beth to classify 2Bad4U! as a spammer, but I've already sent her so many private messages that she tells me people are starting to talk about our clandestine meetings.

by faradhi

Although all spam is horse manure, not all horse manure is spam. :D

Although, a horse manure button would be a great button!

by dawgit

is a down right funny picture you painted there. Excuse me, I'm be a while laughing on that one. Very good job Mae, made my day. Better than a Friday yuk. -d

by deepsand

Jeesh, man, that's so obvious that I've got to wonder where your mind was when you suggested Pepsi. After that, you're definitely [b]not[/b] managing the marketing.

[i]But[/i], there is a choice assignment available for production of a live webcast of the blessed event; its your's if you like.

by deepsand

such that an initial deception was required so as to elicit the required data, common courtesty would dictate that, at the conclusion he both explain his purpose, the reason for the deception, and offer his apologies.

As he's done nothing more than make a claim, and based on his comportment in other threads, I am ill inclined to blindly accept said claim as truthful.

by faradhi

And they should keep a tally of how many of an individual's posts were marked as crap. Right next to the useful answers tally. Then you could have a crap to help ratio.

I know I may mark high in the crap but it would be fun!:)

by deepsand

It's now 0200 hrs., EST, about 26 hrs. since my last meal, and my supply of coffee is nearly as exhausted as I am. Besides, I smoke too damn much when I'm here; must be the company.

In any case, rest is called for.

Don't know when I'll get back; probably late on Wednesday.

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