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    DUI crack down in the US this weekend

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    by jdclyde ·

    This weekend in the US there will be a nation wide stepup on Drunk Driving, supposedly to a level it has never hit before.

    In other words, the cops will be out in force, and they will not have much of a sense of humo(u)r.

    Expect sobriety check points, coast to coast.

    How do you keep from getting in trouble this weekend? Simple. Don’t drink and drive. If your out to party, get that designated driver, and pay for his/her SODA all night long.

    Be safe and come back in one peice next week.

    Happy Holidy!

    jd

    Oh yeah, everyone wish Tig good luck on her walk!

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    • #3277109

      absolutely

      by jck ·

      In reply to DUI crack down in the US this weekend

      Have one less drink when out golfing the back 9…right jd? hehe 😀

      Personally…I don’t drink and drive…might spill some if I hit a pothole. 😉

      Seriously…don’t just make it about this weekend…or any weekend.

      Make it about every day. There’s no reason to drink and drive.

      I lost my friend when I was 12 cause of a drunk driving accident…after his mother and aunt got plastered after church and picked him up for court-ordered visitation from his father’s house.

      Just say no…to spilling your drink…or killing your neighbor…or your friend…or your relative…or someone else’s…whatever good reason you need.

      just don’t drive drunk…anytime…ok?

      Thanks.

      • #3277101

        Gotta start somewhere

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to absolutely

        I will worry about this weekend before I worry about next weekend.

        And this holiday season, because there are so many assclowns in such a hurry to get no where, the death tolls always rise. I NEVER go away on the holiday weekends anymore because of it.

        As for on the back nine, got the boys, and I am NEVER intoxicated around them, EVER. They see me drink, but they also see me drink responsibly. I hope I am setting a good example for them for when they start to drink on their own.

        There will be a standing, no-questions-asked pickup policy, anytime they need it, and all of my friends know they have that same standing offer.

        • #3277090

          if you’re gonna start sometime…

          by jck ·

          In reply to Gotta start somewhere

          now is the best time. 🙂

          Glad you don’t drink and drive.

          And just remember…if they get arrested for it…go see em in jail…go to their hearings…but if you raised em not to…and they do it anyways…let em suffer the consequences.

          Anyways…I’ll be drinking tonight…at my house…and, I won’t drive anywhere. 😀

    • #3277093

      The police state

      by crashoverider ·

      In reply to DUI crack down in the US this weekend

      I think this is just another step toward the police state that the politicians want to instate. I can see in the future they will say we need permanent checkpoints, a national identification (to get the immigrants)[this has also already been passed as the Real ID Act].

      I do not think that drinking and driving is a good thing to do but I don’t think that we need checkpoints to keep us safe we need to make sure people are responsible for their actions.

      • #3277077

        Making people be responsible

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to The police state

        and how would you propose this?

        If your not for checking and taking unsafe drivers off the road like this, what would your solution be to get the drunks?

        • #3277068

          Re: Making people responsible

          by crashoverider ·

          In reply to Making people be responsible

          Ok my plan for this will seem a bit weird but please try and stay with me.

          First all the roads should be owned by private owners i.e. Neighborhood associations, business owners, or other people. With private roads the owner can set the rules for that road some may not have a limit and some may say if you have .000001 bac you are in violation of the terms that were set and the private owner would be able to go after [financially] the driver for violation of the terms. The owner of the road would have to pay for enforcement of the rules.

          Second If a drunk driver does damage to private property he should be responsible to pay for the damage and if he cannot pay for the damage right away he should have to pay interest also.

          This is just my idea I think if you let the free market work without government regulations there may be ideas that I could never dream of to take care of this problem.

        • #3277063

          I take it that

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to Re: Making people responsible

          You’ve never lost a loved one because of a drunk driver. Paying for the damage doesn’t cover it!

        • #3166683

          Yes and no

          by crashoverider ·

          In reply to I take it that

          My sister was in a accident that was caused by a drunk driver she did not loose her life but she was trapped in the car for a couple hours and was in a wheelchair for a few years she can now walk but still has problems with her legs.

          Second I lost my brother to a vehicle accident about 7 years ago because the accident was around 1 am the police assumed my brother was drunk and let the other driver (driving a semi) off without a single violation even tho he clearly did not yield to oncoming traffic.

          So to answer your question no I never lost anyone close to me to drinking and driving but I have had a couple close experiences.

        • #3277060

          I am with Tony on this

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Re: Making people responsible

          Punishment AFTER someone is dead is too late.

        • #3166674

          Punishment after the fact

          by crashoverider ·

          In reply to I am with Tony on this

          JD, you think that punishment after someone is dead is too late. How do you propose we handle this? Should everyone go though psychological evaluations to determine if they have a personality that would make them more likely to murder a individual? If they are found to have that behavior should they then be incarcerated without even committing a crime? What about someone that thinks about how to kill another person should the person then be committed of a thought crime?

          Oh yea lets just throw out the idea of a person is innocent until proven guilty.

        • #3166615

          Sophistry

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Punishment after the fact

          We don’t need the “right to privacy,” “innocent until proven guilty,” or “free market” straw men here. The discussion is about drinking and driving, not murder (although I believe that anybody who drinks, drives, & kills somebody as a result should be tried for at least manslaughter). The crime happens when the drunk starts the vehicle, not when somebody dies.

          Almost every state now has a de facto DUI statute and an implied consent law. The DUI statute defines driving under the influence as operating a motor vehicle with a BAC higher than a certain percentage, usually .08% or .1%. When you get a driver’s license you consent to blood alcohol testing on demand; failure to consent to testing results in the presumption of intoxication.

          Driving is a privilege, not a right. There is no excuse today for getting behind the wheel when you have been drinking. I spend a lot of nights at home because I don’t have somebody to get me home after I’ve been out. I’ve also spent a lot of nights sleeping in the car or a hotel because my designated driver or ride home arrangements fell through.

        • #3166518

          Think before you post next time

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Punishment after the fact

          Having checkpoints to look for someone drunk is by no distorted idea a “thought crime” and is of questionable reasoning to even make that stretch.

          If you catch them drunk BEFORE they kill someone, a life is saved. Innocent until found drunk. I am sure you can follow that line of reasoning? If you want to drive on the public roads, you just have to get over yourself and realize the checkpoint does more public good than bad.

          Even the most delusional of liberals should be able to see that.

        • #3277038

          Wow!!

          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to Re: Making people responsible

          I wonder why this idea is not used?? ?:|

          Oh, I know…. because it is preposterous!! :p

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          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to Wow!!

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        • #3277022

          LMAO

          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to .

          Too funny NB!! :^0

        • #3166812

          AND

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to .

          that was NOT tobacco I smelled! :0

        • #3229591

          New law against PUI

          by techexec2 ·

          In reply to .

          For CrashOverider, there should be a new law against PUI: Posting Under the Influence 🙂

          […sorry Crash…impossible to resist…]

          edited for SPELLING…damn!

        • #3229570

          If that’s the case..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

          I should be arrested right now..

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          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

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        • #3229552

          THAT is where you are wrong

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

          I’d never bet against me. Sober or otherwise..

        • #3229550

          I wouldn’t bet against you.

          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

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          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

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        • #3229546

          NeverBusted: I’m fine. And so am I.

          by techexec2 ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

          “…Not yet anyway. I don’t drink and post. He lies through his teeth. Who wrote that. I did. Oh, well just shut up. You can’t make me.

          Fight! Fight!

          I’m betting on the sober guy. You would…”

          If this is not evidence of schizophrenia, I don’t know what is.

          I like you anyway. And so do I. 🙂

          P.S. Lithium! 🙂

        • #3229545

          Mae: Nope. Nobody should EVER bet against you.

          by techexec2 ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

          I’ve seen enough of your posts to know that you are a serious and smart lady, who also has a sense of humor.

          Cheers!

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          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

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        • #3229539

          Who are you calling a dumbas*?

          by techexec2 ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

          SO FUNNY! You’ve got a very good sense of humor, NB. I like you. And, so do I. 🙂

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          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

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        • #3229534

          Talk to the hand…

          by techexec2 ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

          Talk to the hand. I love it! I presume this comes from the Terminator movie. It was a GREAT line. Actually, those movies had a bunch of great lines.

          I just added you as my first contact. Thanks.

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          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

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        • #3229531

          Dirty Harry

          by techexec2 ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

          Now…we’re BOTH getting rather dated. I hope Clint is around for another 20 years.

        • #3229526

          ah, yes, but….

          by gadgetgirl ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

          in this mutual admiration society that you two seem to have got going, you need to clarify one thing:

          do you both also like each others’ others??

          :p

          And am I as bad as all four of you for being able to follow the aforesaid conversation without any problems at all? Because both of me did…..

          😀

          GG

        • #3229525

          double-post-itis

          by gadgetgirl ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

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          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

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          by ontheropes ·

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          by ontheropes ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

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        • #3229484

          GG: We’re just a bunch of guys having a little fun…

          by techexec2 ·

          In reply to New law against PUI

          We’re just a bunch of guys having a little fun on a Saturday night. As to your query, we’re pretty sure that are more than four here. All of us seem to get along pretty well, but there is ONE of us that NONE of us like very much, the FB(tm)*. 🙂

          P.S. We’re working toward reintegration before Monday morning…Works a lot better in the office and helps to keep the guys in the white coats from coming. Of course, since this whole thing is being monitored by the NSA, we’re probably toast anyway! 🙂

          P.P.S. Double posting. How appropriate!

          * “flaming bastard(tm)”

        • #3166666

          Lets see what you got

          by crashoverider ·

          In reply to Wow!!

          Hummm why would a alternative idea like mine not be used? Maybe because the government has a monopoly on force?

          Ok Jelli you think my idea is insane. We know that the current system is not getting rid of drinking and driving, and you think my idea is insane. What is your plan???

        • #3166658

          My solution..

          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to Lets see what you got

        • #3277029

          And when a drunk driver

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Re: Making people responsible

          mows down and kills your 4 year old daughter, how much will he have to pay you. And at what interest rate?

          Personal property can be replaced. That isn’t the issue (at least not to me), my problem with drinking and driving is the total disregard for other people’s lives.

        • #3166713

          Putting a price on life, and how I’d deal with DD

          by jck ·

          In reply to And when a drunk driver

          Just playing devil’s advocate here…

          If life is irreplacable, then how come courts are allowed to put a price on it?

          If life is priceless, make it priceless.

          I’ve never agreed with one jury saying “Joe X is worth $500,000 of damage to the family.” while another would say “Bill Z is worth $2,000,000.” That’s insulting. All life is priceless. To call one life more valuable monetarily than other is…well…preposterous.

          How would I deal with D&D?

          In the case that a person is killed…no freebie. No free pass. You essentially used a 2,000+ lb gun when you drank and chose to get behind the wheel. If you recklessly and knowingly kill someone with a gun, you go to prison…period (at least in Florida you do…if you even pull one on someone you go). Same should apply to a car, and especially drunk drivers who hurt/kill someone with a car.

          You put them in prison and make them work a job specifically to pay back the family…and that money goes to pay for everything the other person paid for, or to have someone to come in and do whatever they did in the home, etc. And they do it for the rest of the victim’s significant other’s life or until their youngest child is of age to have graduated from university, whichever takes longest.

          In the case that anyone is killed, child or adult, they should also have to pay for all the counselling that is needed as well for as long as it’s needed.

          Now…just for drinking and driving:

          Personally, I think people who drink and drive should get *1* pass…*1*…so long as no one else was hurt and property not damaged, and they should have to do prison time, and have to go work with a coroner doing autopsies on the bodies of D&D victims, etc.

          Put them through hell for it, but give them a chance to right their life. Everyone makes mistakes.

          If they EVER do it again…in their entire life…they lose all rights. No car, no guns, no voting, etc. They can walk to work or ride a bus or a bike or a skateboard.

          If they get behind the wheel drunk after that without a license, they go to prison and work a job for the rest of their life in prison and the money goes to remunerate the system.

          I believe in leniency and having a chance to rehabilitate yourself, but punishment has to fit.

        • #3229542

          Yes. Drunk driving and death are very tragic.

          by techexec2 ·

          In reply to Putting a price on life, and how I’d deal with DD

          Some years ago, someone very close to me was killed by a careless stupid ridiculous outrageously drunk driver. This man had been convicted of DUI previously! She was a beautiful young girl, about to be married. Her fiance was with her in the car and lived through it. Her tragic death shattered her parents’ lives and everyone who knew and loved her. And, I have never forgotten it.

          Many people have a story like this. Many.

          So, yeah, there should be HARSH penalties for such careless selfish disregard for other people’s lives. This is nothing new. Today EVERYBODY knows that they should not drink and drive. There are NO excuses anymore.

          Have a good time. But BE RESPONSIBLE.

        • #3277013

          Most damage

          by w2ktechman ·

          In reply to Re: Making people responsible

          by any kind of driver, drunk or not, is done as a hit and run.
          In many states hit and runs have been so popular, that they could not keep up with the incidents, so they passed laws making it a misdemeaner instead of a felony, which increases the instances substantually.
          Pardon my spelling if it is off a bit.
          Trying to round up all of the hit and runs to make them pay for damages would require a much heavier police presence and/or more cameras in public places (i.e. roads, intersections, etc.).
          And finally, how much would a death be worth??? And what is your price tag if someone was critically injured but not killed??? What about immobilized for life???
          Having the roads owned by the businesses, lets look at this for a moment. Then, they can block off roadways for people just passing through? If there were different laws for different streets, how would anybody be able to remember them all? By the time I got to work I would have been on more than 8 roads, and many would be on more than 12. Each roadway having different laws depending on what a small group of businesses want is not the way to go.
          At least in my opinion.

        • #3166796

          Forget about the roadblocks

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Most damage

          What about the changes in surface from concrete to asphalt to gravel to tarmac to dirt back to concrete. It would be like driving a Mississippi state road 30 years ago. :^0

          Another way to prevent drunk driving is to pass a law that if you served the alcohol, you provide the bed. Or we could simply head them off as they come out of the bars.

          Or (gasp) we could relax the zoning laws enough so that the neighborhood bar can come back. I’d love to have the chance to go out and have a few with my buds, be able to stagger/crawl home, and not have to worry about finding a designated driver. The nearest bar to my house is over 10 miles away, and I live in town!

        • #3166660

          Zoning

          by crashoverider ·

          In reply to Forget about the roadblocks

          Nick, removing the zoning regulations is a part I did not hit on in my original post. I totally agree with that. Zoning regulations are preposterous especially in a free country with Private property. If you own the property you should be able to do with that property whatever you please.

          As for passing a law saying they have to provide a bed I believe that will do very little to curb the problem. With alcohol the person usually does not realize how intoxicated they really are. If the person does know they are intoxicated they normally will find a alternative to driving. This law may force more bars to go underground like in the days of prohibition, if you look back to history with prohibition not only do you endanger the lives of the citizens due to turf wars you also endanger the lives of the consumers because establishments can then serve beverages that are not safe i.e. bathtub gin

        • #3166614

          Facetious

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Zoning

    • #3277088

      don’t drink, quit 4 years ago.

      by danlm ·

      In reply to DUI crack down in the US this weekend

      Chuckle, I live in a town where I dont know alot of people yet. Lol, so that means I won’t have to be designated driver.

      Hope everyone stays safe though.

      dan

      • #3277083

        Beat ya…

        by jellimonsta ·

        In reply to don’t drink, quit 4 years ago.

        I quit drinking 13 years ago! 😀

        • #3277076

          I quit

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Beat ya…

          when my glass gets empty?

          Never has an “issue” with drinking, so never had a reason to give it up.

          A glass of red wine or a glass of scotch at night is actually good for you as long as you keep it at “A” glass.

        • #3277064

          Martini

          by cmiller5400 ·

          In reply to I quit

          I had a family friend that once went to the liquor store to buy her husband a martini set since he drank a couple of martinis every night at dinner time. Well she got a shock when she saw what the size of the glass was. His martini’s were 16oz 😉

          edit: flippin emoticons.

        • #3277050

          Issues

          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to I quit

          I never had an issue with drinking either.

          I just didn’t care for the taste and have better things to spend my money on…. well, I HAD better things to spend my money on, then I got married and now the wife HAS better things to spend my money on! 😀

        • #3166659

          I have “A” glass too.

          by jck ·

          In reply to I quit

          It’s 44 oz…hehe

      • #3166738

        I’ll be the first to admit, I did have issues

        by danlm ·

        In reply to don’t drink, quit 4 years ago.

        I had a friend tell me once, that if it no longer is fun to drink. Then it’s time to quit. When I quit, that wasn’t the reason why. But afterwards, I realized that I wasn’t enjoying myself anymore when I was drinking.
        Eh, past history. Water under the bridge. Only thing that I can say about my drinking is, gave me an excuse when I was a nut case. Lol, I can’t use that excuse anymore. I’m still a nut case.
        Be safe everyone.

        Dan

    • #3277016

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      by ontheropes ·

      In reply to DUI crack down in the US this weekend

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    • #3166839

      This is every long weekend in Australia

      by mjwx ·

      In reply to DUI crack down in the US this weekend

      they call it “Double Demerits” which is kind of apt as if you break any road rule not just DUI (like unsafe driving, speeding and so on) you will lose twice the demerit points from your drivers license then you would on any other day. Sometimes a DUI will result in an automatic suspension anyway (don?t know as I have never been done for DUI and damn few speeding tickets at that).

    • #3166759

      Nobody can’t dodge DUI Testing!

      by jim_p ·

      In reply to DUI crack down in the US this weekend

      As Mel Gibson found out. 😀

      Regards,
      Jim

    • #3166717

      Why drink and drive when…

      by just_chilin ·

      In reply to DUI crack down in the US this weekend

      [i]you can smoke and fly![/i]

    • #3166601

      Warning shouldn’t be needed

      by oz_media ·

      In reply to DUI crack down in the US this weekend

      Whil I completely appreciate and respect your intent behind your post. It shouldn’t need to be said.

      ANY time you decide to drive you should not drink. If you drink and drive and get pulled over, have oyur car impounded, spend a night in the drunk tank wiping some bums puke off your shoes, miss the morning at work because you are explaining your irresponsibility to the Justice of the Peace and then have to spend $50.00 to get back to work by cab. After your worst day of work, you then deserve to take a hot bus while standing with the rush hour crowd all the way to the vehicle impound lot. At that time, you can argue with bubba over the $150.00 impound fee only to find all your CD’s missing and your stereo cranked (painfull surprise for the hangover).

      A drinking driver, not a DRUNK driver but anyone who drinks at all and drives is a moron worthy of being shot and pi$$ed on. You are the lowest form of life, you have no right to be in public with our ignorant and dangerously irresponsible behaviour.

      Sorry, my cousin was a designated driver for a New YEars party. They were hit by a drunk driver, he was the ony one killed. Bit of a sore spot for this boy.

      In confession, I have looked out my window in the morning and wondered how the hell I got home and how my car got into the driveway. That was years ago, I woke up since and don’t act like the kid I once was.

      PLEASE PEOPLE, DON’T DRINK AT ALL IF YOU ARE DRIVING….EVER. Forget the 1 beer is okay stuff, even if you’re not over the limit you are still driving under the influence, even when not driving intoxicated.

      DRIVE SAFE, STAY SAFE AND ENJOY YOUR WEEKEND.

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