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by Mickster269 In reply to Edited out

"I can sleep at night."

You did right, by what you felt was the right thing to do. You were honest, and you were true to yourself.

A poor man sleeps just as well as a rich man. But when the poor man wakes up, he doesn't have to worry about who he pissed off yesterday.

If I ever had to put my career over someone's life?

I'd be in the bread line next to you the next day.

I stopped chasing the money after my wife left me, 15 years ago. I now chase after what makes me feel good about myself.

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by waity85 In reply to Edited out

I haven't been in a situation like that before (and hopefully never will).

I'd like to think that I'd do the same as you did, but in all honesty I don't know if I would. Going off past experience in similiar situations (nothing life threatening however) I have stated unreservably my point of view and acted against my beliefs with a complete 100% order from someone higher up.

I fully support your decision given that it could have cost lives. However I wonder how many people would have do as told, when faced with a direct order.

Overall though I wish I could shake your hand, good luck in the future

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by Deadly Ernest In reply to Edited out

you didn't brief the QC manager. If you had he could have seen that they weren't readily visible or gave some ******** about delaying inspection as he had plenty of time.

Many years ago when I did some QC work, I once had a similar problem in that a production run JUST met spec at the end of production but was doubtful of being field usable. That is we ran three test batchs one failed the other two past at bare minimum spec. Owner said ship. After discussion with production manager we shipped, then phoned recipient and suggested that they should choose this shipment for their 'random thorough test of 5% to destruction."

Run passed basic tests but immediately failled the full stress tests. Whole batch rejected and shippped back. We had to remanufacture as DoD inspectors had rejected.

We obeyed the first three rules of business:-

1. The boss is always right and you do as you're told.

2. The client always gets what they want.

3. Be able to look yourself in the mirror each day.

You did right mate, if one suspect unit was ever involved in a crash and someone hurt you'd have a hard time sleeping at night.

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by JamesRL In reply to Edited out

Once upon a time, I was the chair of a student political organization.

It came time to elect a new chair, and my last duty was to preside over the election.

I had a favorite of course. The former GF of a close friend, someone who I had dated a few times and who I was desparate to get to know was one of the candidates, and I know she would support the things I supported. The other candidate was supported by one of the slimiest youth politicians I knew. He would sell his mother. He had documentation showing he had taken residence in the area, even though I knew it was a fraud, he had all the documents required.

The object of my desire, on the other hand, had signed up a few of her friends and her brother. The slimy guy, as I knew he would, challenged the legitimacy of those memberships, so I had to stop the proceedings and conduct an investigation.

And by the rules, those memberships, did not meet the standard of proof. I adjourned the meeting to deliberate, but in the end, it was my call. Of course my political allies lobbied me to decide those memeberships were legit, but not to hard because they assumed I would rule with my heart.

But in the end, I ruled the way I knew I had to - I dissallowed those memberships. This meant when it came to voting for the new chair, my prospective GF lost and the candidate of the slime ball won.

That girl (breathtakingly gorgeous BTW) never spoke to me again, and quit politics. Her brother threatened me with grievous bodily harm. My political allies were greatly dissapointed. I wasn't happy that the "bad guy" won, but I couldn't rule any other way.

From that point on though, I won some grudging respect from some of those who weren't my allies. Some of them of course thought I was a sucker who chickened out. Others realized it was a hard choice, and congratulated me for it. Some of those people are still my friends today. One of them is a cabinet minister in the current conservative government in Ottawa.


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by JamesRL In reply to Edited out

In the business you were in, you really had no choice, given any amount of personal or professional integrity.

The only thing to re-consider is whether you should have "gave as good as you got" in terms of your final conversation with your boss. Its possible that it wasn't your actions, but your attitude that made your resignation inevitable, but thats just one possibility that I am in no position to judge.

I have mentioned in the past I did something similar. I was the program manager for the Year 2000 project at a billion dollar firm and one of the projects that most directly impacted clients was clearly headed for disaster. It wasn't progressing and time was running out. 5,000 customers needed new computers and new software or they couldn't properly function.

I had tried to make this point to the project manager of that group, to the manager and director, but it was clear they weren't listening. The marketing folks were clearly nervous that we would lose business if we didn't change our direction and fast. I couldn't get any time with the CIO, but I know the director had discussed the issue with him.

The VP of sales sat me down for a talk. After hearing me out, he urged me to write a memo. I did, and I pulled no punches. Since I fielded the Y2K calls and letters from customers I knew what they wanted and needed from us, and I let it show.

The first reaction from the IT director was rage. She brought me into her office and accused me of grandstanding, ambushing and all kinds of nonsense. I will hasten to add I had my boss and the CFO (my boss's boss)'s complete support. They reviewed it for content and tone.

So of course the CIO called the CEO and demanded an apology. I think he may have wanted more but people were too discrete to tell me. The CFO sat me down and said, you were right, I wouldn't change a thing, but if you had to do it all over again, you might have considered sending it to the CIO first for feedback, as a courtesy. Apologise for that, because you can't do your job without his co-operation, get it over with, but don't take it personally. If he is being petty, don't drop to his level. Hold you head up.

I did, and we had the face to face with te CFO present. I apologised that in hindsight I should have consulted him before sending the memo (an ego stroke, I had all the authority to NOT consult him). It took all of the wind out of his sails.

I had some little satisfaction that a few months later that director and CIO were fired because of a migration that went horribly wrong.

But at the end of the day, no lives were at risk. If the worst had happened, people would have lost their jobs.


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Its like I always remind people - It is all

by j.lupo In reply to Edited out

on the wheel...It all comes around sooner or later.

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by JamesRL In reply to Edited out

After my fun, I decided that after the Year 2000 project ended, I would look elsewhere. Even though I wasn't part of the IT department, it was clear that 80% of my projects would involve working closely with IT, and even thought they replaced the CIO and one of 4 directors, there were still lots of problems.

My boss asked me to stay, but she really understood. Within 6 months of my departure, she and her boss, the CFO moved on. When I was job hunting she was a friend and a great help.


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