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Fahrenheit 9/11

By Aldanatech ·
What do think about the Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 documentary? Do you agree with it? Why or why not? What is your opinion about George W. Bush and his response to the terrorist attacks masterminded by Osama Bin Laden?

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Sigh we been all over this

by Garion11 In reply to Fahrenheit 9/11

People debated, they fought, some of them were called names *gasp* and in turn called others names, words were spun out of thin air, lies were told *GASP* and the end conclusion was America is to blame for the death of all cockroaches everywhere *GAAAASSSSSSPPPPPP*.

Please kill this before all the trolls come out.

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Even the liberal media says that Moore's film is...

by Garion11 In reply to Fahrenheit 9/11

Who do you believe: us, or Michael Moore?
The Chicago Sun-Times ^ | July 13, 2004 | PHIL ROSENTHAL

Posted on 07/13/2004 5:31:00 AM PDT by MadIvan

LOS ANGELES -- When it comes to assessing TV news coverage of the situation in Iraq, much of "Fahrenheit 9/11" is Hindsight 20/20, according to NBC's Tom Brokaw.

Of greater concern to him and other top network newspeople, however, is the sense that some moviegoers consider Michael Moore's film more credible than their own reports.

"My complaint was not with the criticism. I don't complain about anything he has said. My concern is that this not be taken as journalism," ABC "Nightline" host Ted Koppel said Monday. "It is journalism in the sense that an editorial in the Chicago Sun-Times is journalism, but that's opinion journalism. It's a different sort of thing.

"I worry that too many people are going to start taking that as gospel when indeed I know for a fact that there are things in that movie that a little bit of careful reporting could have corrected. But I don't think [Moore] was altogether interested in getting it straight down the middle. He was interested in making a political statement, and he did it very well.

"It's a terrific piece of entertainment. There are even some interesting facts in it, but it is to the documentary what [Oliver Stone's] 'JFK' film was to history."

Brokaw seemed particularly peeved by "9/11." When asked about the film by a West Coast TV critic, he asked if the critic thought Moore's movie to be an accurate portrayal. The critic said yes. "Of what?" Brokaw shot back.

"It's really easy to turn back the clock now and say, 'Oh, it was the fault [of the media], especially of the electronic media, that we went to war because they jumped on the bandwagon,' " Brokaw said. "If you do a fair review, we gave a very vigorous accounting of what was known and what was not known at the time. ... The American news networks and the newspapers, for the most part, did as well as they could under the circumstances."

Citizens, however, may be becoming increasingly wary. ABC's George Stephanopoulos, a former adviser to Bill Clinton, tells of meeting last week with undecided Republican and Democratic voters in Ohio, encountering a handful who had seen "Fahrenheit 9/11."

"What was most striking to me is that when I asked them, 'Why did you go to see it?' they said, 'Because we wanted to get the facts,' " Stephanopoulos said. "There wasn't time to get into a big argument with them ... but at least a few of them had the sense that if it's coming from the government [or] if it's coming from established media, they must not be telling us something and we have to go to this alternative venue to get the facts. I think that's a challenge for all of us."

Part of that challenge stems from the fact that, even when dealing with the same information, there is a big difference between traditional journalism and other sources.

" 'Nightline' is not nearly as entertaining as 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' " Koppel said. "We're never going to be as entertaining as '9/11.' We're never going to be as entertaining as the movie 'JFK.' But there is still, I think, a desperate need for down-the-middle news."

Not everyone agrees, though. More and more people, especially young people, are said to be inclined to seek their news from unconventional sources, such as Comedy Central's "The Daily Show With Jon Stewart" or Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11."

"I do worry about young people going and seeing that film and seeing it as the gospel," said Brokaw, who is scheduled to step down as anchor of "NBC Nightly News" later this year. "You've all read the various accounts that have been done, by us and by Newsweek and by others, about what was factually incorrect or the liberties that [Moore] took with the facts as he arranged them.

"It is very skillfully done. He's a master at getting his point of view on the big screen. I mean, look, the right has Rush [Limbaugh] and the left has Michael Moore and they are very good at presenting their points of view, saying this is factual. Truth is a little more elusive, and it's the arrangement of those facts."

As for the notion that the film is packed with previously unreported information, ABC "World News Tonight" anchor Peter Jennings said he actually was "surprised by how much of the ground we'd already covered."

"But," Koppel said, "we didn't do those stories as political polemics. And I am concerned on both sides of the political spectrum that if what Americans feel they have to get is news with an attitude, what they're going to end up losing is some of the objectivity that traditionally people in our business have tried at least -- we don't always succeed, but we have tried -- to bring to these stories."

What might irk Brokaw most is that he personally spent time reporting in Iraq before the war to better understand the situation there.

"I had a lot of people come up to me and, quietly, at some risk, say: 'When are the Americans coming? We can't continue to live like this,' " Brokaw said. "And the only scenes we saw in Michael Moore's film ... were children sliding down playground ramps and so on.

"That was not an accurate portrayal. This was one of the most repressive regimes in history. Was it an appropriate excuse to go to war? That's a whole other debate. ... [But] the idea of using Michael Moore's very artful, very strong point of view as some kind of gold standard, I think, is just wholly inappropriate. I really do."

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What a scumbag this Moore is

by Garion11 In reply to Even the liberal media sa ...

He is making ALL this money by trashing America and using his political views to exploit. A worst kind of capitalist, OZ this is the capitalist you should be protesting against.

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What a scumbag Garion is

by Oz_Media In reply to What a scumbag this Moore ...

You sir have made two posts here AGAINST exactly what you constantly do here, name calling and lies.

You have never supported your comments nor answered any questions when asked.

You have NEVER helped fellow peers by offering your superior expertise in the Technical Q&a forums, where you will not be called names and can demonstrate your superiority.

You sir aarwe simply a discussion board ranter, you came here with your VERY FIRST post being a nosensical rant and then have added nothing but. THe only time you have provided any sense in your posts was when you cut and pasted comments without crediting the author.

So what has Garion done at TR? Posted crap with no supporting evidence. Called people names for not agreeing with him. Sucked up like a bad rash to TR's top most Republican supporter Maxwell to gain SOME favour.

If you had not agreed with Max from the beginning, he would be calling yuo exactly what he calls me for not agreeing with him, do you REALLY think he sees your posts as educated or sensible? You simply agree with him so it's let go.

You don't make sense, you call people names, you don't support TR or its members, you ONLY came here to stir S**t as you admitted you see the same arguments elsewhere. You are simply looking for a new sandbox to crap in, unfortunately it is here and we all have to put up with it.

So stop bein gso righteous and correct, you are as hypocritical as Maxwell, the funny part is the way you show common beliefs and have the same responses, you both think you are in the right and everyone else is wrong, if they dont agree with you they are stupid or anti-American and you both come here JUST to stir crap and sling insults while blaming others of the same.

In conclusion, you are BOTH blind to your own actions, yet you both say you are not blind to the Administration which you seem to support unquestionably, how very educated of you both.

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by Oz_Media In reply to What a scumbag Garion is

Why is it ONLY political feuds that you partake in? where are your comments and help to those asking about work? Where is your supoprt for those with problems? Where is your support for people asking about starting their own businesses? Where is your....I know, up your A** with your ideals.

get with the program, there's more to TR than political threads, there are people looking for help and comments on IT, have you supported or helped ANY of your fellow countrymen? Nope.

You only participate where you know your buddy Max will help speak for you and perhaps make your own thoughts sound sensible as you don't really have aclue yourself, you have nothing to say otherwise and refue to participate in helping TR peers or commenting outside the political pro-Bush rants.

Step up to the plate for a change and show us all that Garion isn't just a pissd off little yank wanker.

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Wow now you are telling me where to post also

by Garion11 In reply to Furthermore,

Where is your post about supporting America? Where is your post about ranting against the terrorists attacks on 9/11? Again you are a blind mole who is a complete egotistical, short sighted, LYING, dirtbag who needs to drown in his own vomit. For your information my contribution to TR is here in these links, I do the best I can. Who the **** are you tell me where to post and when?

Go and **** yourself you truth spinning pathetic loser.

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Many posts Garion

by Oz_Media In reply to Wow now you are telling m ...

I have made it extremely clear to ALL that actually follow these forums, that I do nto oppose America I abhor GWB. I have often said I like Americans, I have employed and worked with many and they aren't bad people, just many are easily fooled by the politicias they follow religiously.

I have also said MANY times that my heart goews out to all those involved directly or indirectly affected by 9/11, there were many Canadians in there too and people I know personally lost people they cared about.

Show me where I have supported or justified it? Your point is moot.

Now I did notice that you were able to offer YOUR opinion several times and this must make you quite happy, but where have you helped people?
Do you work in IT? Do you believe in helping those with technical questions? Well most of us here try to at least spend SOME tie addressing people's needs in the Tech Q&A forum, it helps build the 'community' here, so to speak.

DO you have no IT skills at all but simply want to find a new board to post on or something?

You need to EARN credibility with most people.

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I just posted the links to answer your questions

by Garion11 In reply to Many posts Garion

But from your obvious reply you didn't see it.

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Those are just discussion links

by Oz_Media In reply to Many posts Garion

Try here:

Your knowledge could be helping your fellowman and others understand your true colors instead of your comments.

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