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Ok people here?s something different it came to me in a news article and apparently at Melbourne Airport the new security measures are picking up anyone who uses aftershave or hand cream as a suspected terrorist, as the equipment is picking up these traces as explosive residue. So to be safe to travel in Australian Airways you have to have a beard and rough hands.

Now who wants to be first in line for a strip & body cavity search?

While I'm all for security this is just a little over the top and I can't help but wonder what are they telling their passangers now. Arrive 2 hours early so we can strip search you before you are allowed near the departure lounge?

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by john_wills

The U.S. is now going to insist on something at least as foolish: that aircraft coming from abroad, or even flying over the U.S., have "marshals" aboard, with firearms. It just does not seem to have occurred to the honcho concerned that people have a right to a gun-free environment, or that the U.S. obsession with guns is a recurring thread in the karmic pattern which unfolded in September 11.

by oldefar

That obsession goes back at least to 1785, so is the karma pattern really relevent?

The armed marshalls is on selected flights based on intelligence gathering that would indicate a particular flight at risk. You make a good point on a right of other nations to have gun free environments, but we need to keep the request in context. An alternative would be to ban these particular flights from US airspace, or to establish a higher level of security validation prior to their departure, or to add unarmed marshalls capable of suppressing a terrorist group in flight using alternative methods.

Perhaps a better international response might be to place responsibility for stopping terrorism on every individual? A personal duty for all peace and freedom loving people to act in the face of terror? Let's see, 6 billion people, less than 1 million terrorists, looks like the odds would favor us if we all had the courage to take a stand in the face of danger.

by thechas

I heard on the news today that some of the nations want more details as to what the specific risk is.

There was even a question about just stopping the specific flight.

My question is are these measures actually making things safer?
Or, are they just being taken to give the impression of safety and improved intelligence?

For that matter, what is the actual consequence of 1 or more firearms being discharged in flight?

What will happen when a bullet shatters a window or pierces a critical wire or hydraulic line?

Chas

by john_wills

There are very many threads in the karmic pattern, but without the U.S. gun culture we would almost certainly have a lot less violence and so fewer examples of violence lying before those with their own temptations to violence. For one thing the West would not have been nearly so wild.
I used to visit my grandmother-in-law at Leisure World, a gated retirement community in Seal Beach CA. When I first went the guards were armed with pistols. After a while they weren't any more; one of them told me the guns had been "too darned dangerous"; I suppose something must have happened, though I am sure it was not of the Ahmadou Diallou variety. Without the guns the residents are just as safe, apparently.
I am not saying the Second Amendment is the most important part of the U.S. Constitution to change (a more important change is proposed in my book Albatross 0-595-19418-4), but Tom Ridge, the homeland security guy, really should be aware that gun proliferation is more part of the problem than of the solution.

by tomsal

..um...Air Marshals have been on planes for decades now dude. Obviously way before 9/11 happened.

I know someone who IS an Air Marshal (ex USMC Sniper / 3rd Dan Black Belt --- yeah I wouldn't mess with him either.. lol)

by oldefar

How about we all arrive two hours early, remove all of our clothes which are then searched, cleaned, pressed, placed on hangers in the baggage hold. On to a shower and blow dry and off to our assigned seats.

I ask you, can a naked man intimidate the crew or passengers? What would he shoot with? How many passengers would shoot back?

Minus the artificial prestige offered by clothing, new and lasting friendships could be formed based on real aspects of the people! Business leaders, politicians, and celebrities of all types would have to stand on their own without external trappings. Bigots, bullies, and swaggarts would have to face the world with only the capabilities provided by their creator.

Added advantages - travelers would likely focus more on healthy life styles. The drop in medical expenses from this would probably pay for the showers and clothes cleaning in the first year.

by oz_media

Naked stewardess's !! Now there's a concept that would help flight sales. Frequent flyer miles would be really worth something, alcohol on flights would be more interesting and paying the $7 for a crappy scotch wouldn't be so bad after all. I think the only thing I'd add is a shower and some brass poles !

by jkaras

in theory it sounds wonderful, but how many truly beautiful people have you seen on a flight that made you say I gotta see her naked? Most flights I've been on had old people and fat people with a 2% hottie ratio. I just got ripped off on the ticket with little leg room and a bad meal, and now I'm gunna see Rosanne Barr naked? Oh the humanity!!! Could you imagine a bunch of fellas with a compass pointing north? Would there be toilet seat covers for your seat to avoid any nasties? Also everyone would look funny with the paper stuck to their behind when they get up. Everyone would have joined the mile high club by then. Although the mystery farter would be easier to spot during the flight. All I keep thinking is the commercial about "Cooper" drunk hitting obnoxiously on anything that would listen.

All kidding aside I like the idea that there is some sort of protection and an effort made for my safety as well as my loved ones, small price to pay.

by oz_media

"...how many truly beautiful people have you seen on a flight that made you say I gotta see her naked?"

hee hee hee, someone doesn't know me too well!

'PIG' fits in many cases!

As for toilet seat covers, I would just leave a sign that read, 'the passegner that sat in this seat has a realy nasty case of aids and has festering sores all over his ass, sit at your own risk'

Happy New Year!

by hal 9000

Would be by the new and current members of "The Mile High Club."

But then again it would probably need a redesign of all the aircraft to accomate these new members wouldn't it?

by oz_media

"Now who wants to be first in line for a strip & body cavity search?"

You guys always have the most fun!
You can make fun out of nearly any situation, good or bad. Now you get a freebee before flying! I wonder if Sydney can handle someone like me, I really enjoyed Australia and would love to move there one day, perhaps early retirement, if there is such a thing?

by hal 9000

The best reply that I could come up with is "Is there something besides work?" But then again I own this place and I sought of feel responsible for keep all my staff in a job so I'm definatly not the right person to ask about early retirment as I think a holiday is using the DUcati to go to a job and not one of the comapny cars.

Now if only I could find a good theripst who could cure me of this fixation to work and eat and buy Ducati parts not to mention all the computer parts that my wife knows nothing about. But then again I'm not even allowed anywhere near a VW shop that sells hot up bits and America is definatly out of the question for me as I tend to stop in CA and spend up big which results a loads of excess baggage and then all hell breaks lose when I get home.

Any way have a Happy New Year and I hope you lot really enjoy yourselves.

Now if only that woman whos computer packed up yesterday doesn't show up today...

by thechas

Another interesting security issue is Fruitcake.

At least in Canada, you CANNOT have fruitcake in your carry-on.

Fruitcake is so dense that the X-Ray scanners cannot penetrate it.

Chas

by hal 9000

Last year I had to fly to Cantberra {Camberra really but as they nevere get anything done there we just call it CANTberra} for my brothers funeral. Now it's normal to have to empty all my pockets but I envded up getting half undressed to pass through the metal scanners seems my belt bukle all the metal on the inside of my suit pants and God only knows what else triggered the allarms. No real problem there but a bit of a nusiance but what was really funny was that they didn't pick up the tie pin I had on or the 5 needles and syringes that where in my carry on luggage bu tmy bukle was really well inspected.

by hal 9000

It could range from explosive decompression depending on rxactly how high the aircraft actually is to something far more serrious as all modern comerical aircraft are now fly by wire and most of that wire is Kaptain {I think thats how it's spelt}which doesn't have a great safety record anyway but of more concern is what would happen if a projectile was to find its way into the avionics bay and damage some vital equipment.

From my understanding the Air Marshals are susposed to be carring low powered firearms that will not punture the aircraft skin but there is still a lot of electronic equipment that will remain vunerable and that doesn't take into account the people who are intent on hijacking the aircraft as they will not be the slighest bit concerned about bring it down even if they fail the reach their target they will at least have done something the shatter any belief that it is safe to fly.

Anyway all comerical aircraft are susposed to hqave triple redundant systems on them but there are still areas where these systems must come into contact with each other as an example you can not have a trippple redundant rudder control without all three systems acting on the rudder.

I'm not so concerned about the hydrolic systems as these are fairly well isolated from each other except from where they start and end but the Avonics is an area of concern for me as all this equipment is confined in a small area of the airframe and easily damaged.

Anyway it is still safer to fly around than to drive a car so I can't see that changing quickly for "Local" trips and by that I mean ones within a land mass like the USA Canada or Europe but it would prove impossible to drive from the USA to the UK but it might be interesting trying.

by oldefar

On the surface it may seem that Americans have a real problem because of gun proliferation. However, it seems to me that where guns are a real concern is with criminal activity. The stories of the Old West are mostly bull, and the swaggering cowboy with his six shooter, ready to settle any dispute with a fast draw, is Hollywood myth.

Real gun violence seems more related to several key events. First was post civil war where the Southern irregulars continued to engage in guerella tacktics - bank and train robberies, some terror activities aimed at old enemies and newly freed slaves.

Next was the Prohibition era, which gave rise to both organized crime on a large scale and a dramatic increase in the use of firearms. Had booze not been outlawed, the violence would not have occurred because the criminal incentive of high profit from violent action would not have existed.

Finally, the Drug War has created a new opportunity for high profit from violence among criminals, and an added problem of making criminals of users and forcing them to seek quick access to large amounts of money. Again, dropping the illegal aspect of the core issue would likely result in dropped prices, dropped profits, and disinterest by the true criminals. The violence would drop dramatically.

Even with the government induced violence from drug policy, most of us in the US have never encountered even the immediate threat of violence from firearms as ordinary citizens.

by hal 9000

However Politicaly Incorrect it may be I'm against probition in any form as it only makes criminals out of normally honest law abiding people.

There is also the "Danger" aspect of induldging in these activities as well if everything ewas legal and the governemnt collected an excise on these products I bett that it would be a far smaller problem than it currently is and it would certianly remove the Criminal Element from the equasion.

by jkaras

I do believe that Karma comes and goes as a reflection of your behavior, but people choose to do violence. They do these acts due to greed, ego, and pride to gain respect/fear from others. They will do these acts with or without guns. You cant remove guns from society anymore than you can remove nuclear warheads. With this comes responsibility to make the right choices rather than the wrong ones. Sorry but you have to fight fire with fire sometimes. I'm sure if your on a flight or a loved one gets highjacked you'll be screaming for proper protection. If its puncturing of the vessel your worried about they could use rubber bullitts to avoid damage to the plane or taser guns. I dont like people getting hurt but bad people dont play by the rules so too bad so sad if they die while trying to hurt others, to me that's Karma baby.

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