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How can this happen????

By maecuff ·
CENTRAL POINT, Ore. -- Three Medford school teachers were threatened with arrest and thrown out of the President Bush rally at the Jackson County Fairgrounds Thursday night, after they showed up wearing T-shirts with the slogan "Protect our civil liberties."
Three Medford school teachers who were thrown out of a Bush rally because of their t-shirts.
All three women said they were carrying valid tickets for the event that they had received from Republican Party headquarters in Medford, which had been distributing event tickets to Bush supporters.
Teacher Janet Voorhies said she simply wanted to bring a message to President Bush, but did not intend to protest.
"I wanted to see if I would be able to make a statement that I feel is important, but not offensive, in a rally for my president," said Voorhies, 48.
The women said they were angered by reports of peaceful protesters being thrown out of previous Bush-Cheney events. They said they chose the phrase, "Protect Our Civil Liberties," because it was unconfrontational.
"We chose this phrase specifically because we didn't think it would be offensive or degrading or obscene," said Tania Tong, 34, a special education teacher.
The women got past the first and second checkpoints and were allowed into the Jackson County fairgrounds, but were asked to leave and then escorted out of the event by campaign officials who allegedly told them their T-shirts were "obscene."
Democrats were quick to pounce on the incident and claimed the GOP has routinely sought to disclude anyone from public appearances by President Bush and Vice President **** Cheney who might question the administration. There was no immediate comment from Republican officials.
"Thursday's actions in Oregon set a new standard even for Bush/Cheney - removing and threatening with arrest citizens who in no way disrupt an event and wear clothing that expresses non-disruptive party-neutral viewpoints such as "Protect Our Civil Liberties," said Adam Green, a spokesman for the Oregon Democratic Party.
When Cheney visited Eugene last month, the Register-Guard newspaper reported that Perry Patterson, 54, was cited for criminal trespassing for blurting out the word "No" after Cheney claimed that the Bush administration had made the world safer.
In a separate and unrelated case Thursday, two protesters were arrested in nearby Jacksonville, outside the historic inn where President Bush was spending the night.
A few hundred people were demonstrating peacefully there, but police moved to disperse the crowd after a few protesters allegedly put their hands on police officers. City officials said police fired projectiles known as "pepper balls" -- similar to paint balls, but filled with cayenne pepper to break up the demonstrators.


I understand that there are fundamental differences between Bush supporters and Kerry supporters, but I would be amazed if anyone could find the validity in this type of behavior. We're supposed to sit down and shut up? We can't even say NO if we disagree. This is frightening.

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With all due respect.

by JamesRL In reply to How can this happen????

And I do respect what those protesters were trying to say...but.

There is a difference between a private event and a public one. One doesn't have a right to free speech everywhere. If you think MacDonalds is a bad company, and say so on their property, they can ask you to leave. If you say the same thing from the park next door, you have every right to say what you will.

The same goes for political rallies - given that there were tickets given out and restricted access it could not be deemed a "public" event.

I do think the behaviour on behalf of the Bush team is excessive and somewhat ironic. You don't have to sit down and shut up -you just have to not disrupt someone else's private function.


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Can you spell "ironic"?

by DC_GUY In reply to With all due respect.

The protesters made more of an impression by being thrown out and covered by the news media than they would ever possibly have done if they had been allowed to merely take their seats. They could have spent the entire night trying to get in front of a camera lens and they would probably have succeeded, but that footage would never have been included in the final edit of the rally.

Add to the list of words that certain politicians can't spell: "Irony."

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You missed the point

by jdclyde In reply to Can you spell "ironic"?

Impression on who?
The Anti-Bush and the Pro-Kerry groups are all.
(yes, those are two separate groups)
But that wasn't the stated purpose of going to the rally, now was it?

A political rally is where you go to listen to what the speaker has to say, so you learn their points. This isn't the place to make "your points".

The same think happens on both sides, so it really shouldn't be a suprise or a reason to fake outrage.

Just like the guy months back had NO RIGHT to start chanting "four more years" when Kerrys wife was talking to a group of supporters.

There are times and places to get your message out, whichever side you are on.

If people would be more respectfull of both Pres. Bush and John Kerry then maybe they would have a chance to tell us what their message.

Just like on this board, too often ends up in personal attacks instead of a discussion of ideas. And yes, other people have a RIGHT to be wrong about something. You can decide for yourself if I am right or wrong.

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by bubbaonthenet In reply to You missed the point

I agree. I feel jdclyde made very valid points often overlooked.

A rally is where you go to support your leader and hear his or her message. It is a theatrical event designed for broadcast audiences.

A forum is where you collaborate with your leadership and present your ideas constructively.

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There it is...

by GaijinIT In reply to With all due respect.

Right to the point, James.

I abhor Bush (both his personal agenda and his politicial performance), the Republican party and their 'Gestapo tactics', but what you said is absolutely true.

Civil liberty means protecting the rights of everybody, not just those we happen to agree with.

Excessive? Yes. Wrong? In my view - yes. Illegal? Not at all.

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by maecuff In reply to There it is...

I agree, there isn't anything ILLEGAL about it. That does not make this any less disturbing.

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It is disturbing because its an overt display of intolerance.

by sleepin'dawg In reply to Yes..

What can be done about it is the question on my mind.

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that's not good.

by ITgirli In reply to How can this happen????

But I would like to point out that I doubt it was Bush personally who made an issue of it. I believe his campaign officals are probably a little paranoid. It sounds like someone walking into an airport with a shirt saying "I'm da bomb". Something that could be easily taken out of it's intended context. I don't agree with the officals manner at all. But you also have Kerry supporters firing bullets into republican headquarters. And I didn't hear all too much news about that. I think they were just being a little too careful.

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Apples and Oranges..

by maecuff In reply to that's not good.

Whoever fired bullets into the republican headquarters committed a crime. Saying the word 'no' or wearing a t-shirt that says 'protect our civil liberties' is not a crime. Or at least I didn't think it was.

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Vociferous protesting !

by Oz_Media In reply to Apples and Oranges..

But then they would have the t-shirts gaussian blurred out like they do with corporate logo's on people's t-shirts or the faces on Cops.

That would have looked REALLY good for them, "Hey, why did they blur out the t-shirts?"

It would be almost as bad as the press they got by refusing them access but not as bad as rejecting them to begin with.

They weren't protesting 'vociferously', they were wearing t-shirts.

If that was Vancouver, the women would have been topless with it written across themselevs. They STILL would have let them in, just so people would actually watch the speech.

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