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I have worked at many companies with lots of ideas on how the employee should dress for work. At one company the employees never talked directly to the people they helped so they could wear what ever they wanted. This is a bad idea because it leads to distraction for other employees. At other companies it seems that the person who helps the upper management can dress how ever they please. Notice that I do not say (woman or man) it just depends on the company.
So if you get a great paying job and are shown the dress code but no one follows it, what do you do?
I always dress in business casual unless I am told not to.

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by deadly ernest

first the underwear, next the shirt, pants, socks, shoes etc.

Ok,OK - depends upon the organisation and corporate image. Turn up in business shirt and tie and see what the rest are wearing first. If you constantly turn up looking neat, it may encourage others to do the same. Anway it looks more professional.

Most importantly wear what you are comfortable wearing.

I do know two people who work nude, one does all their work by remote from home, the other works in a nudist holiday resort in France. They get a lot more for their money as they NEVER have to buy work clothes.

by mickster269

I rarely deal with customers face to face.

We wear Jeans and dress hirts or "golf" shirts (no tee shirts).

but we are a small , family owned company.

by deb

Same here. I rarely meet customers and when I do, I have plenty of notice. I do occassionally where I nice tee and where a nicer blouse for customers, but jeans are still allowed.

by mjd420nova

As a senior technician specialist, it all depends on what customer I'm going to see and the time of the year. If I'm going to a customers home, I'm expected to wear dress slacks and a tie, even in the hot summer. If I'm heade to the oil refinery, then I usually wear jeans and a dress shirt but no tie. I do not have a clothing allowance, so no one can dictate what I HAVE to wear, just quidelines of what NOT to wear. If I have to go to a corporate headquarters, dress slacks, a tie and a sharp sport coat is expected, but that can vary depending on the work expected of me. If I have to climb up on a roof to check out a satilite dish, replace an LNA or realign the dish, then it's jeans and a polo shirt (the company does provide polo shirts with company logo) are the norm. I've had a few close encounters with ties and line printers that just love loose clothing. But when the day ends, all bets are off, on hot days you'll see me in traffic headed home with no shirt at all.

by jay_el_72

similar. I teach computers and Transportation, Distribution & Logistics. If I anticipate a day of teaching MS office I will wear business casual, yet, if I am going to be teaching Pallet Jack usage I will wear jeans and a golf shirt.
It is possible to look professional even in jeans if they are nicely pressed and your shirt is tucked in etc.

by gboyce

As computer technicians working for a large hospital - Long Island, NY - we prefer to dress casual yet comfortable. Also, depending on what's going on - are we running CAT5e all day, working under desks, doing PC moves??? Or are we in meetings all day with corporate? You see, it all depends on what's going on. Jeans and a nice Polo shirt are my norm, but I know a few who dress with Dockers and a button down everyday - regardless of the "job of the day".......

George

by colonel panijk

[i]I've had a few close encounters with ties and line printers that just love loose clothing.[/i]

Back when IBM required their male field engineers to dress up in coat and tie, they forbade "real" neckties, in case one had to work on a line printer or other equipment that, as you say, "loves loose clothing". They had to buy "clip-on" neckties (can you even find those any more?). That would be a smart move for anyone who has to dress up while dealing with hazardous machines. That, or cut most of the way through the part of the tie behind the neck. IBM also at one time required female field engineers to wear elbow-length white gloves, but I think that's been dropped...

by rhomp20029

I worked at one time for SBC when it was a sub of IBM and we had to wear suits and ties all the time there. The male engineers then (1964-1966) had to wear long sleeve shirts that they could roll up and the clip on ties. They would come in all dressed up and take their coat off, rollup the sleeves and dig in to fix the equipment.

If you were not a field engineer you had to keep the sleeves down and the tie tied. If you went out with a client to lunch you could buy the client a drink but if you had a drink you could be fired as soon as you got back to the office. The execs used to spread out into the various restaurants in Georgetown (the office was on Wisconsin Ave just below Mass) and if they caught you with your coat or tie off you got a talking to back at the office. If you had a drink you were fired. The only reason to stay with them were the benefits. They were head and shoulders over anyone else when it came to the benefits.

by maecuff

mini skirts and combat boots.

Unless it's casual friday, then I stick with my fuzzy pajamas.

by jmgarvin

I know it sounds cheesy, but I honestly think it is true.

I worked at a company with no dress code and I saw all kinds of problems. We had a graphic artist who would wear flip-flops, shorts, and a cut off shirt to work...what is that!!??

Business casual should be the norm and the suit should be worn when you are front facing.

by zlitocook

I never know what from day to day I will be doing. I might teach a class on Power point or be pulling cable through the tiles. I ware Dockers and a button down shirt, but I keep an exter shirt just in case.

by verd1

I work as a consultant and depending on which client I go to see I dress according to their dress code. No jeans and a professional MCSE shirt. At one client Friday is jean day for their office so if I go there on Friday I wear jeans. If I am on an emergency call at 2am I wear my jeans or shorts. It is all a matter of common sense which some people lack

by tig2

The dress code was suit and tie or suit and blouse. The client allowed casual Friday so we were expected to conform within reason.

I still have a closet full of suits. That can be helpful sometimes.

The "professional dress = professional actions" was the rationale for the dress code. According to Perot, one should dress for the activity one is engaged in. If you are riding a horse, dress to ride a horse. If you are going to do business, dress to do business. Works for me!

by nicknielsen

As long as the jeans are not excessively faded, scuffed, or threadbare. Company polo shirts are provided, but are not mandatory.

But then we don't know what we might be crawling over, under, around, or through when we respond to a call.

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by leisure_suit

That is the officical dress code of a couple of IT companies that I worked for in the last 10 yrs. The main thing that they didn't like was denim. I couldn't figure out their problem with that.

by nicknielsen

At one of my jobs, we were forbidden from wearing jeans, but the company shirts were denim.

Go figure :p

by j.lupo

First, joke or no joke the dress code of the organization dictates how I dress. Personally, I would be more comfortable in my sweats and t-shirt, but that isn't professional and I deal with business partners.

Currently, I wear suits. If I were male it would be the 3 piece suit with a tie. Since I am female, I don't have the tie or vest. I do have the blazer, shirt, and pants. No skirts. It is the one thing I won't wear except to an interview and usually not even then if I know enough about the company to get away without wearing a skirt. Doesn't suit me. :)

I believe in being professional, since I don't have to lift or move equipment, there is no reason not to look my best.

by jim_p

I have to wear long sleeve business shirt, buisness pants and a tie. Rain, hail, or shine. :)

Regards,
Jim

by j.lupo

very different in construction. I now shop in Men's department for my suits and have them taylored. Believe it or not, they are cooler and more comfortable then women's clothing. The only thing that is different are the shirts for comfort. But for blazers and pants, can't beat a men's suit.

by zlitocook

Great! I hate the woman in charge, the one who has the job of selecting who see's the big guy or not. She has been an MS pack man to me fror along time.
If I fix her/his computer or need to get to the big guys computer, I need to jump through hoops and submit things that should not be needed.
I just want to fix his computer.

by deadly ernest

If she doesn't give you easy access to fix the computer that he wants fixed, then just tell her to call when access to the computer is available. Let her do the hoopla and dancing. Either she'll stop being silly about it, or he'll jump on her for not allowing you to fix his computer. Make sure that you document the fact that you went there and that she did not give you access. Don't play her game.

I once worked for a company where one of the senior manager's secretaries acted like this, she did it to show how important she was. I never played her game, I just left got her to sign the work order that I put in an apperance and could not get at the machine. Worked out a time with her to return the next day, got there and she'd rescheduled his appointments and was not available for 2 hours. Got her to sign again, rescheduled for the enxt day, she got uppity about why not come back in 3 hours, so I showed her my schedule where I will be across town then. This went on for two weeks. Finally the boss rang my boss to find out why his computer was not fixed. Showed my boss the records, we both visited the big boss and they discussed the matter while I fixed the computer - next week he had a new secretary.

by jamesrl

I worked well with an admin assistant for the president of a division that ended up being the president of the company (Fortune 100).

She respected my time, and she was super nice. She would make the calls herself, and I would return them and schedule things. Often he would ask me to come in during a teleconference, and work on his computer while he was on the conference call. He always said thank you, and so did the admin. When they had a barbeque, she invited me, made sure I knew I was appreciated.

Of course I had different experiences with other admins, and my boss did get some complaints. But there are good and bad in every position.

James

by trmartin

My first IT job was with a governent agency and had to wear a slacks and a tie - you were a professional and were expected to dress like one. I moved on to a telco data processing in Tampa, and the same applied. However, being in the south, it grew into business casual. Today, I'm in another government job and the code is - there is no code, dress appropriately. But that is too laxed. I personally dress business casual, but do believe that organization, public or private, do need dress standards writtend down; ie - nothing less than nicer jeans, no tank tops, no sandals, no 'crappy' dress.

by unclerob

Pretty much the rule of thumb IMHO

However, we do get casual fridays and semi-regularly we support a charity where we make a donation and receive a casual monday.

However, casual doesn't mean ripped jeans, shorts & sandals, sweat pants, baseball caps, beach wear etc... casual fridays does allow for wearing jeans but they must be in newer/good condition and not faded or stained like you've been doing garden work or painting the house.

Monday thru thursday you're expected to dress for an office setting. The dress code at our place of work used to be more strict but we're no longer required to wear jacket & ties anymore. Dress shirts & dress pants and a decent pair of shoes gets a passing grade for men, women are expected to follow suit with their own dress code requirements (dresses, skirts, pant suits, etc.). It's not rocket science, if you are a professional and work in an office environment you need to look like a professional, look like you care about yourself and the company you work for, if by chance you came in contact with a customer would your appearance leave a good impression or not? Nobody is required to wear a 3pc suit or a tuxedo but you obviously have to look presentable.

When you start slacking with your appearance, what else is slacking? If you don't care about how you look, chances are (yes there are exceptions) you don't care about how you perform and that isn't professional.

Just how it is in my neck of the woods, how about at your workplace?

by tryskadec

this has been a challenge for me. I have worked at places that expect women to be in Suits or skirts and heels, and the nature of my job makes that uncomfortable and or straight up dangerous at times. I never know when I'm going to wind up under a desk, crawling through someplace dusty and dirty, lifting heavy objects, unloading a delivery, etc, etc.

It behooves me to be dressed in comfortable clothing that moves, as well as flat-soled shoes. I have had jobs where there where there were remarks, but once I explained my POV, they stopped.

For now, while my preferred gear for business casual is one step more formal then jeans, and an untucked shirt (to cover the backside when I'm under a desk), I've learned the joys of stretchy knit pants, and more formal blouses.

I have one co-worker now that always wears heels and skirts and spends her time "looking cute". Granted it would be perfect is she's someone's admin secretary, but it makes her absolutely useless as an IT Tech, because when it comes down to it - I can't ask her to help me move a UPS, and she relies on the men in our department to get anything physical done for her. And I resent that. I take pride in being able to pull my own weight.

by too old for it

... in our group wears pink and orange thong underwear with pny beads inthe back.

How do I know this? Because she sits sideways on her chair in an open work area. Add black stretch flairs and a crop top and Voila!

I'm so glad my cube has walls, as it cuts down on the older ladies cluck-clucking as they pass by.

Not sure which is more offensive: The peep show or the clucking? The clucking in more annoying to me ...

by zlitocook

A similar experience at a large company that made car parts. The COO had a girl that was his personal assistant (yeah right). The company has a stick dress code and for females it is vary stick, well she was 22, blond, 5:10 or so about 120 pounds. Sorry I lost tract there :) she would dress in see through blouses, vary mini skirts. If she dropped some thing, which seemed to happen about once an hour, well you get the idea. She seemed to things that made other ladies in the office just stop and stare and the men well we did the same. That?s way I say how people dress will lead to distraction.
I was glad that contract was over.

by dnarotski

I've found, as a female IT tech that the dress standards for women are different than men. Dockers and a polo are perfectly fine business casual for men. But try to wear the same thing as a woman, and they say it's unprofessional. I've gotten talked to by my (at the time) manager for dressing "unprofessional" when I wore what all the men were wearing.

Apparently women need to wear tailored clothing and they consider that "business casual". I've found it DOES make a difference in your credibility if you're wearing a skirt (or dress slacks with heels) and tailored top, they think that you can't crawl around on the floor and plug things in, or carry boxes. But wear less than that and you're unprofessional.

Whoever makes up these rules can kiss my @$$.

by tryskadec

I'm not the only one who struggles with this double-standard.

I think the majority of my work tops are Men's button-downs. Simply because they hang low enough down, that i'm not worried about giving a peepshow when I'm under a desk. Womens business casual tops are just too darn tiny!

by protiusx

This question has been being kicked and looked at for a very long time. I remember my dad who was a manager and then an executive for a large multi-national corporation always wearing a shirt and tie. I grew up in California and have remained on the west coast of the United States for most of my adult life. The companies that I have worked for over the last ten years have always had a dress code of business casual which as so many of you have correctly pointed out can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Fridays are traditionally ?jeans? day where everyone wears jeans (and the truly cool ones, like me, wear Hawaiian shirts). Business casual is defined at my place of work as a shirt with a color and ?not jeans?. Males are not supposed to wear open toed shoes but living in Seattle the Birkenstock has become the social norm. Now here is were the duplicity of sexual discrimination comes into play. Why is it ok for a woman to wear open toed shoes, and even skirts, when men are required to wear shoes that are not open toed and pants? If women can wear skirts should not men be allowed to wear shorts especially, if the shorts are not made of a jean material (except of course on Fridays)?

This is a west coast cultural thing. In the east people tend to dress much more formally and will spend thousands of dollars on suits and all manor of accoutrements in an effort to look professional. I wonder if the farther west one goes the more laid back one becomes. I wonder what is considered business casual for people who live in Hawaii.

by it cowgirl

I have had the same issue but worse! Most women's close are way too short or just do not fit. I mostly wear men's pants unless I can find a women's pair long enough (othwise ot looks like I am wearing some funky capri pants - OK no it just looks like really short pants!)Women's blouses will not fit my shoulders or arms and I am not wearing some man's button down!

Of course most my time is crawling around wiring for networks, under desks checking connections, or just sitting at the desk doing paperwork out the @$$!

I might try the tailoring suggestion because I have not found any solution.

by maevinn

More and more, women's clothing is recognizing a wider variety of shapes. For instance, there are now several lines offered in Tall--and while I disagree with what they decide is 'tall', it's getting better. Not all pants are being made for someone who is 5'6 anymore. I'm 6'1, and wore nothing but men's pants for years. Now, I shop online, and can usually find clothing that fits. Still have a few issues going across the shoulders without it hanging like a mumu everywhere else, but I'd rather that than everything being skin tight!

by j.lupo

Not only is there good and bad in all positions, but the cloths don't determine which you will get.

I once worked at a place where the best dressed was also the worse employee/person to deal with. Professionally and personally. The dressed to the "9s" but when they opened their mouth you felt like you needed a shower and then some.

On the other hand there was a guy there with hair down to his butt, dressed in ripped jeans and old dirty t-shirts. Yet he was the nicest person you would ever get the chance to work with. He used to wait for me to leave at night and walk me to my car cause we were not in a very safe area. He didn't have to do that, but he did it. He did it for a lot of people who were afraid at night.

He would take on extra work and always have something nice to say.

So, dress isn't the answer, personality and inter-personal skills is.

by onbliss

...somehow feel uncomfortable with crumpled clothes. I iron the clothes for the family each morning, as wife prepares the lunch for us for the day :-)

As a consultant (programmer), with each new project I start with [b]business casuals[/b]and then slowly adapt to the dress culture in the group that I am working. There have been projects where people wore jeans everyday. I have never worked in a project where I was required to wear a tie.

by maevinn

Which means slacks and a blouse. But, on days I know I'll be crawling around working on hardware, I wear jeans and a long tunic.

Previous job, I wore whatever I wanted. Mostly this meant jeans and nice shirt, but somedays I ended up helping biologists move 500 fish around, and dressed appropriately.

by server queen

until we got the new director, who is very appearance-focused. Some of our techs working in the schools had been dressing for comfort and practicality - shorts and light t-shirts (some of the buildings don't have much air conditioning, and they have to move equipment around). Unfortunately, one young guy doesn't have the sense to see where the line should be drawn, and he just happens to be the one who works in this building, where the administrators are. He went up to the superintendent's office to work on his computer, and bent over in his saggy cargo shorts and showed them his big white moon. He also wears open sandals with no socks and shows off his gross feet to everyone. The superintendent's secretary complained to the director, and we ALL got hollered at about "dress code."

We're a school district. To me, we should be dressing somewhere close to the way the teachers dress, if we're working in classrooms (and they're required to dress in business casual or better), and the way the administrators dress when we're in this building. We're allowed to wear denim on Fridays, and all our dress codes get more slack in summer, when school's not in session. But some of the younger folks don't seem to know where to draw the line. Just because you can wear jeans and a t-shirt in summer, that doesn't necessarily mean that shorts and a tank top, or t-shirts with band logos and flip-flops, are okay.

I pretty much always have a jacket with me - partly because I work in the server rooms that are air-conditioned (read: COLD), and partly because that'll dress up even jeans and a t-shirt. And every time I try to wear a skirt or dress to work, that is invariably the day a server fails, so I end up sitting on the server room floor over a 60 degree air vent, pulling a server apart while my skirt blows up and my butt freezes. Ditto trying to wear a decent suit or pair of slacks - I always end up moving equipment if I try to wear really nice clothes. So my work wardrobe is heavy on the Dockers-type pants and business-casual tops, with the addition of a blazer when I need to dress it up a bit.

Oh, and I never wear heels to anything. Never learned to walk in them, and don't see the point of wearing something that cripples you.

by foothillscg.com

At JPL, where my husband works, most interns dress like they did in high school. They just don't know that the paradyme is way different in a work environment. Most won't be asked back, unless they really kick-@**.

People who wear shorts to work are climbing the short ladder...

by nicknielsen

The high school job shadowing program here in SC specifies that the student must contact the company he/she will be shadowing at to determine the proper dress for the occasion. Shorts and sandals are expressly forbidden because "these informal clothes are not appropriate to the normal work environment."

Nobody in their guidance/placement office is telling your husband's interns that there are standards of dress they are expected to meet. Not to excuse the kids, but most of them don't have enough work experience to even think about dress codes.

by nicknielsen

Denim shirts were authorized, denim pants were also authorized as long as they weren't any shade of blue.

Just "blue jeans" were specifically prohibited.

by j.lupo

"blue jeans" you just said denim. Convenient of them to single out one particular type of jeans. At least there are a lot of clothing choices that are made of jean material but are not "blue jeans", yes?

I still feel that the cloths we wear to work need to be comfortable and professional. Is that an oxymoron? I hope not.

by faradhi

I was always told to dress the position where you want to be. For example, if you want to be a manager then dress as management dresses. (Unless your a guy and management wears dresses. Then dressing in dresses may not be a good idea. But if you are a female then dressing in dresses is perfectly acceptable.)

Now, I am happy where I am. So I dress in business casual.

by maevinn

This is what I was taught as well, but I'm not sure it still applies. I was also taught that you should never out-dress your boss, but I know that is out the window in most places.

Of course, some of my co-workers wear BDU's--including my bosses boss!

by faradhi

It probably doesn't hurt.

In my former position, I had no intentions for management either. I dressed with a Dress shirt, tie and slacks when they classified my position as a professional position. When they moved me to hourly non professional, my dress moved accordingly. (Dropped the tie and wore golf and casual shirts.) But that was more of a silent protest.

by nicknielsen

I was taught to dress the way the [i]customer[/i] expected you to dress. For example, a PC repair call to a home might be cause for jeams & a polo shirt, where a repair call to a business may require slacks & button-down.

I have had some calls, though, where I wish I was still wearing BDUs. One required working in a large maintenance well accessed through a crawlspace big enough for me, but too small for the toolbag. All those cargo pockets sure would have been handy. Instead, I grabbed a plastic bag and clunk-clunked my way in. ;)

Edit: Type, post, proofread

by thefrown

That is impossible; I'd have to turn up for work looking like a caveman if I didn't want to out-dress my Boss

by smorty71

I would just use the dress code as your reference. If someone challenges your attire, you can't really use the excuse that everyone else breaks the dress code, too.

Fortunately, we have never had a dress code here at TR, so I am typing this in shorts and sandals.

I have always felt that employees who don't interact with customers should be able to dress however they are most comfortable.

by jck

Right now, we're dealing with an issue of a new manager coming in and using the loosely-worded portion of our dress code to try and leverage it against employees he doesn't like here to give them reprimands on their HR record to set them up for termination if they don't fall in line. Gotta love the mongrels that are coming in from the big-city backstabbing workplaces now.

The "others do it" defense won't work, even in government where you can sit on a job for 25 years and win a pension if you can take the doldrums that come with it.

Follow the rule book succinctly...and you won't lose.

"Okwa tanzien wan...kwaonsa laji wan." - Riley Martin, renown alien abductee from Howard 101 on Sirius

by j.lupo

again. Welcome back.

I find it interesting that the manager can do that. I realize the "others do it" defense doesn't fly with the company, but doesn't that open a discrimination possibility? If the policies are not enforced equally to all, then the "terminated" could, at least I have been told, open a discrimination suit. I know of someone who is trying to claim just that. It is hard to prove though, I am told.

by mordacity

Today I'm in a black t-shirt with long army green cargo shorts and a pair of black airwalk sneakers. That's because my sandals (not flip-flops, but sandals none the less) broke. The boss did draw the line at my ozzy osbourne and night of the living dead t-shirts, but other than that, there's no problem; with my clothes, or with my hair that's halfway to my waist, or with my goatee that's getting just as long. And that's good, because if there was, I wouldn't be here long. I own 2 golf shirts, 2 button-down shirts, one tie, one pair of slacks, and no nice shoes anymore. Just the thought of wearing any of it on a regular basis makes me uncomfortable. Professional attire would not lead to professional actions for me, it would lead to decreased productivity, because I'd be miserable, and spending most of my time on monster.com. You have to decide if you're hiring people for their mind or their looks, and then you have to come to terms with the fact that if one of those attributes is exceptional, you can't worry too much about the other.

by oldbag

My dress code requires business attire, unfortunately most outfits of that sort require dry cleaning which can really add up. Since I could end up crawling under a desk or taking apart a REALLY dirty system, I will only purchase clothes that are washable. It may be more difficult to find acceptable clothing but no one is going to pay me to take my clothes to the cleaners.

My standard outfit is dress slacks (washable), and a nice top, maybe a sweater. I will wear skirts occasionally. If I am required to attend a meeting, then the good stuff comes out.

by jamesrl

If I am visiting a car dealer to work, I dress down, even though its a customer visit. Cause if I have to go in the service area, I don't know what I will find. I've touched computers in the service area that had a fine layer of grease and dust.

But as management, usually I am there to visit and chat. But if you followed the managers who roll up their sleeves thread, there are occasions when its necessary.

James

by oldbag

My speciality is systems in Car Dealerships. If you have worked in them, then you know how dirty I can get when I go on-site. My dress code specifies that I must wear business attire so you can see why I shop so carefully for clothing that is washable.

by oz_media

Actually I dress however I feel I need to each day. If I am not going to be out meeting clients or goig out for lunch somewhere nice, I will turn up in shorts and a t-shirt with the golf clubs in teh trunk for a midday break.

Other casual days I will wear the standard 'IT' uniform, khakis with gratuitous bendor logo on it (vendor wear, keeps IT alive).

On many other days dress pants, open shirt, sometimes a tie.

Other days it's full black & whites.

Dressing for success doesn't mean you need to overdress, in most cases overdressing is worse than underdressing. I find there's no problem as long as you make sure you are always dressed appropriately for teh occasion, I always keep a full suit and tie with a pair of shoes and matching socks in my office for emergencies.

by jdclyde

Over dressing makes it look like you are putting up a front of some kind, and are seen as a phony.

Underdress and you are seen as a slob, and if you don't care about your appearance, would you care about the quality of your work anymore?

I have also found that Dockers are more comforable than jeans are, and cooler usually too. Semi-casual is how I go now.

I also keep jeans and tee shirt in my office in case I have to go out into the plants to work on a computers or run cables. (work in industrial)

Fit in, but I would always error on the side of concervative. I do not ever wear shorts to work, not even on "casual fridays".

by oz_media

Customers don't want to see me earning more money than them, I can't outdress them. It's like the salesmen that insist on driving Jags or Mercedes around (yes it works for real estate and some large ticket, self-employed industries). Most customers see that as a clever rep, a silver tongue to be cautious of.

As for shorts, I work in my own office, no body else running around. I work with another partner but he's in and out as he chooses (calls, meetings, etc.) and does the same thing I do, dress up as needed. If we are having clients in the office, we both have clothes at work or let each other know ahead of time.

by firstpeter

Very few people will fault you for over-dressing for work. That's the rule I always used - start with a suit and tie and work your way down if you can/want to. Much better impressions than showing up in jeans and a t-shirt and having to work your way up to biz casual.

Personally I wear an Oxford and nice pants (not jeans). Had a boss that once told me that how you dress can have a pretty big impact on where you'll go (perception by those who can help you move around).

by oz_media

WHil I agree as far as moving WITHIN your organization, in an environment where you are charging from the client, you don't want to overdo it. They will think you are either slick tongued and need to be carefully considered, or you are overpaid because your company overcharges etc. It creates insecurity and not security, as dressing appropriately does.

Personal experience has taught me that overdressing is actually just as harmful as underdressing in many cases.

by maevinn

I guess part of my problem is that I've never been fortunate enough to have a job where I could be certain that either I wouldn't around under desks, or that the temperature would be controlled. I've been in office that got down to 58, and am currently in one that averages 78-82. I think I'll call my dressing choices silent protests, too. ;)

by nicknielsen

Heck, I knew what I meant! ;)

I wore white dungarees with the company shirt one day just to show them how stupid the policy was. They liked the look and considered the idea of requiring such a combination until the bright boy in Accounting (small company) pointed out that a) if they required us to wear such pants, they were required to provide them or a clothing allowance; and b) the pants wouldn't stay white for very long unless they were professionally laundered, which would also have to be at company expense.

The idea died the rapid death it deserved, but they still didn't let up on the blue jeans. :(

by sprinkl3s

when i worked in a factory doing tech support i wore jeans and a polo, now that i'm in a hospital doing tech support i dress in nice pants and a button up shirt or a polo. when i was in the factory i was constantly on the dirty shop floor and would of ruined my clothes if i was wearing what i wear now... it all depends on the environment and management expectations

by jck

boss on vacation...all my reports done now...hehe...I sound like caveman...haha

Not really, because any manager can take action based on things seen as "offensive" to other employees and a complaint has been filed, so long as all employees are made to read policy and procedure and sign documents stating they have read and understand and agree to conform to them.

So long as a complaint was filed by (an)other employee(s), it's not discrimination by the manager...it's enforcement of policy you've agreed to adhere to in writing.

There are legal ways to do everything, even if it's wrong...unfortunately.

by crabbyabby86

Last summer, and the one before, I worked with a few other students doing network maintenance and upgrades for a fairly large (eight buildings scattered around a little town) school district. My little team wore tennis shoes, jeans (definitely not the kind that hang off your rear), and a comfortable shirt, usually a t-shirt. It was a safety thing, mostly. We had to be comfortable, with covered feet. The ceilings of our public schools are blistering hot and paper flimsy. The basements of our public schools are dark and cluttered. We spent a fair enough amount of time on ladders and in ceilings and basements to require that dress code every day.

Now I'm a very lucky undergrad in my department's graduate student research office, with air conditioning and clean carpet (more than one of us is inclined to drop our sandals under the desk and go barefoot). Most of the time I can wear whatever I please, and most people here wear jeans and a comfortable shirt. But I am being paid by a big and powerful grant, so on days I know I'll be in a meeting, it's a long skirt, nice blouse and hair pulled back. Though I still might wear my flip flops. :P

I found a gloriously relaxed atmosphere joining this team. Awesome stuff.

As for non-techie jobs--I spent over two years a newspaper where we were supposed to have a dress code, but the newsroom never followed it. During this last school year I refilled printer paper as a "lab monitor" for my department. Pretty lame. No dress code.

by navy moose

Like many of the people posting, I never know if I will be pulling cable, opening a server, racking a server, or doing OS related things from my desk.

My job requires getting dirty some of the time, and nice clothes have no place in my line of work. I'm not going to spend good money on clothes to see them get ripped or stained.

I don't deal with external customers, and I don't have a problem meeting an internal customer wearing jeans and polo. If I meet with a vendor, it doesn't matter what I wear.

Just my $0.02

by thefrown

Short-sleeved shirt, tie, trousers (slacks) and black shoes.

If I know we've a messy job on (i.e. office move, computer room work) then I'll go for jeans and polo shirt.

I started off my career in a high-street bank and the dress code was mental. We weren't allowed to wear short-sleeved shirts, but could roll up our long sleeves on a hot day (as long as we didn't roll them up past the elbow). If we were wearing a three-piece suit and took the jacket off, we had to take the waistcoat off too. We weren't allowed to wear anything but black leather shoes (hence the reason I always wear black shoes; it's been drummed into me). I remember a colleague had an operation to correct ingrowing toenails on his big toes and had to get a doctor's certificate so he could wear sandals!

Some customer-facing male staff weren't allowed moustaches (talking late 70s here), but a full set (i.e. moustache and beard) was OK. None of the haircuts the "younger generation" sport today would have been allowed.

However, female staff could wear anything; blue jeans, tee shirts, you name it.

by rhomp20029

My first job in NYC was with a company that owned beauty shops and jewelery stores in major department stores. We men were required to wear suits (not even sport coats), long sleeved shirts and ties. If we were sitting at our desks we could take the jacket off but if we went out of the immediate office area we had to wear the jackets. Very strict codes on haircuts, beards, etc. The women had to wear at least skirts and blouses (tucked in) or dresses (preferred) and good shoes. No sandals or sneakers allowed. Women were not allowed to wear slacks. There was no casual day at all - ever. I stayed 6 months until the job I wanted opened up and then got the heck out of there. The people were like zombies the way they dressed and acted at work.

I had a friend who would go to the job interviews in sweat shirts and jeans. If they didn't complain, then he figured he would like it there; if they complained, then he figured it was not a place he would want to work. Needless to say he was known for being outstanding at his work so he got away with it.

I did work one place where a girl came to work in a flannel shirt and jeans. They sent her home to change.

I also went on a contract to a company in northern Kentucky. I normally work in NYC. I showed up the first day in a suit and tie and my boss took one look and said "I got one of those somewhere but it is not necessary." Next day was polos and dockers. Very relaxed and very good place to work. One of my absolute favorite places of all.

I think there is a middle ground in dress codes where you can be comfortable and yet still be professional. Go too far either way and it affects the way you work in my experience. The last few years companies seem to have realized that and the rock ribbed dress codes of my early days (think Eisenhower) are no longer and I think we are better for it.

The more important part of a code should reflect on deodorants and mouth wash and colognes, etc. That is where there needs to be some sort of code.
I went to a meeting in a fairly small office where the woman holding the meeting wore so much perfume I almost gagged. I have been on an elevator where the same thing happened and I saw people get off an wait to get away from it. I have been in meetings where there were people you felt should have been handled a deodorant stick and told how to use one.

I guess it all boils down to having consideration for your fellow wage slaves and pride in yourself in how you dress and present yourself. Go too far any direction and it upsets the balance. Personal expression is OK in the right place but you are there to represent your company and the better impression you leave, the better your company will be thought of. Cargo shorts and flip flops and short tees may be comfortable but is that really the image you want to leave of your company?

by too old for it

... the VP and CFO of the firm had gotten the job by being the owner's former mistress. She wore a tailord business suit in to the office every day, including weekends when she was just there for a few hours.

by mollenhourb9

I don't care how people dress. I have found over the years that if a person is distracting, they are distracting regardless of how they dress. At my company, there is one woman who habitually wears low cut (but not too low cut by about a millimeter) blouses on a regular basis. They are very borderline blouses, and she has the figure to pull it off. Honestly it doesn't matter what she wears, she turns heads. Ironically, she is our HR person.

On the other end of the spectrum, there is a very nice lady here who always dresses well within the dress code, but her very large beer belly often drapes over her belt and out of her shirt. It is very distracting, but she is following our dress code.

It doesn't really matter what people wear. If a guy thinks he looks good dressed like Neil Diamond, more power to him. At least he'll give most of the office a much needed chuckle. If a lady wants to dress like Charo (or Phyllis Diller), have at it. It is very likely that each of them looks pretty much the same in a vampish pants suit as they do in a pair of jeans and a T-shirt.

by klee

It is possible to get powerful paying jobs designing behind a desk, helping in the lab, meeting with internal and external customers and the executive board without wearing a suit. It is a matter of chemistry and expectations between you and the party. If you get the job done, and done well, the "look" means squat. I often find people who "dress to kill" underperform, while a person in the same position without all the fancy makeup just simply delivers and performs. In another situation I was asked to not wear jeans in a R&D division by the director because of the dress code. I negotiated a renewal of the dress code and in a few week everyone was wearing jeans daily, including the director. In my land, it is about function and performance, not "kissing up".

by bblacklock

It seems everyone working in the industry has the same challenges. If you wear decent clothes, you have to crawl through cable alleys, if you wear grubbies, you discover a meeting with your boss's boss.

I divide my time between internal IT and field service, so I have to prepare for anything. We have no defined dress code, but the customers will walk through the tech shop several times a day, so a certain level of neatness is required.

My office dress code is modified business casual (for our industrial environment) neat blue jeans (no holes, no paint marks, fitted properly), long sleeved shirts (not denim, but similar weight of cloth) and steel toed work boots with a decent coat of polish (the military taught me how).

I find that with this "standard" and a couple of extras I can go anywhere and fit in.

A business meeting with the boss or a client means rolling down the shirt sleeves, grab the black sports coat from the hanger and run a cloth over my boots.

Moving equipment or running cable calls for the dark blue lab coat with lots of pockets for tools and stuff. It also works well for visits to the shop floor as it doesn't show dirt well.

Field service calls to industrial plant sites often require fire proof coveralls and I use the blue and yellow ones from my oilfield days.

As I am never going to work in sales again and I am not interested in the management career track, I see no reason to adopt their dress code.

I do have some limits to "casual" as I will not show up at the office in shorts, sandals or baseball caps. I also vet my t-shirts and golf shirts to avoid anything which does not present a reasonably professional profile (my collection of band t-shirts stays home).

On those occasions where clients have commented on my somewhat casual dress while working, I observed that I could wear business suits and expensive shoes while trying to do service work. As I would destroy these items quite often while doing my work, I would have to increase my hourly rates to cover the added expense of replacing good clothing. I would then ask if they wanted the service rates to increase so that they could define my dress standard. So far every client (legal firms, banks, accounting firms, etc.) have agreed that it was not worth the extra expense for the formal clothing.

Not the only approach to a dress code, but one that works for me in my industry.

by maevinn

I've commented that I will either be paid to do the job, or paid to dress their way and do the job. As with any transaction, it costs more to get more.

by nicknielsen

it's also because you are tall.

At 6'5", I also have the height problem; I can't walk into WalMart, Target, Sears, or Penneys and buy clothes off the shelf (Although Penneys does occasionally have the right size shirts if I want Oxfords). What's even worse is that looking at the size options, you get the feeling that it's OK in our society to be short & skinny, short & fat, or tall & skinny, but not tall & fat.

When I have to buy slacks, my options are mail order big & tall or big & tall stores at the same 50% price premium I'm sure you are used to paying.

For jeans, I go to Tractor Supply and have no problem finding my size.

by gabriellee

I recently heard of a company (corporation/office jobs) making it against the rules for women to wear pants. I've seen women walking into work wearing skirts while its 10 degrees outside. Besides the weather factor, I think its insulting to be made to only wear skirts! Maybe I took too many women's lib. classes, but I think a nice pair of slacks is fine for women to wear to work. Why is this even an issue? Seems terribly out dated to me. I get that skirts are more "dressy", but even Hillary Clinton wears pant suits! If I wanted to show leg, I would, but don't make it mandatory!
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