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by jaqui

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http://home.att.net/~slugbutter/evil/

I get Pure Evil in the results

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by stress junkie

Looks like I'll have to try harder. The test says that evil just isn't my thing but I could reform with the right motiviation.

by jaqui

if you don't become pure evil then how is linux supposed to live up to it's reputation as being stanic?
( from that joke about bible belters views on linux [ gnu logo ] )

by absolutely

"You are very tolerant towards things and are usually very good-natured yourself. You are pleasant to be around and it shows in conversations. You are rarely inclined to do wrong."

by maecuff

I am good. Bummer, and I try so hard to be an evil nasty bitch, I just can't pull it off. I'm nice and I'm just going to have to learn to accept that.

by thechas

Thanks for the kind words.

I did expect to come out more evil than I did.

The questions just did not touch upon my personal evil traits.

I know that the conservatives on the site like Max and Absolutely think my philosophical ideas are evil.

Chas

by hal 9000

As I already know that I'm perfect. I keep telling everyone this! :^O

Now where is that chainsaw to stop that guy who caused me to do 14 + hours of work because he couldn't install a router properly? :p

I only want it as Aversion Therapy for him as I had everyone breathing down my back demanding that I fix it immediately even though he had taken well over 2 hours to screw it up totally. :(

Col ]:)

by hal 9000

If you had of answered that you where using IE to look at the page instead of Firefox you would have got a Good. :^O

You could even have said you constantly thought about eating Human Flesh and got away with it just not using IE dragged you down closer to my level :p

Col ]:)

by neil higgins

I too am neutral,but maybe I did it wrong (just got into the office,and should not be doing this,but what the hell).

by levannah44

Er, Col, isn't that vaguely contradictory? On the one hand you say you're perfect (well, I know that), and then in the very next post you carry on about Max being DRAGGED DOWN CLOSER to your level!

I really feel the need to point out to you, Col, that Perfection is UP, not down. Just because we live in the Antipodes is no excuse either.

Please stop doing these 14+ hour jobs or you'll find your mind completely screwed! Savvy??

G

by levannah44

It's rigged! I only got a neutral, and something about being 'well-balanced'. Me? I'm so twisted you couldn't find your way during daylight, forget the dark!

I'm doing it again!

G

by maecuff

At least you're neutral, you have potential. Apparently, I'm a freaking pollyanna. I'm going to go kick a puppy or something. Or perhaps, start dropping cryptic 'business is bad and we all know what that means' type of comments to my employees. No, I won't, not to all of them, just the single mothers...

by levannah44

Too right neutral means I've got potential! The potential to cheat and do the whole fr***ing test again! This time I'll know which answers to mark so that I'll turn out absolutely abominably EVIL!

G

by hal 9000

I didn't even imply what I was "Perfect" at did I? :^O

I could really be into inflicting pain & suffering after all how many people do you know that drive for 30 odd hours straight and then after a few hours sleep start it all over again? :p

Col ]:)

by levannah44

Sorry Col, did I say perfect? I must have meant peculiar instead! As in the sense of weirdo, nutty, crazy, two bob in the pound; need I continue?

Well, I daresay anyone associated with computers, racing cars and Mercedes' has got to be at least halfway to being any of the above!

Blimey, that makes me a good third off centre too! Geez, what'd I do to deserve this?

I suppose like minded people . . . flock together . . . or something??

G

by hal 9000

When I clicked on Finish or whatever it was the unit started loading the page then the computer stopped, the network died and my ISP lost connection for 2 hours. :p

Now for my next trick I'll saw and end user in half with a chainsaw without the box. Who wants to watch the show? :^O

Col ]:)

by raven2

What an insult! I must be getting old; and slow; but I still have weapons.

Old and smart beats young and brash 9 times out of 10.

by jaqui

to show.. people here aren't as obnoxious as they say they are.

funny thing is... the graphic atist communities tend to have more people show up as pure evil than here.

guess this test was written by a right wing nutcase.

by hal 9000

We have to fix up what these people F##K up so we can be no where as Evil as they are and we have to be polite as well in the face of the abuse that they hand out about not supplying them with a decent system.

One guy who really got to me after trashing the OS 3 times in one week all his fault I might add because he just had to mess with it I gave him a replacement box loaded with Debian while I checked out his box after 3 days with the Debian box he never messed with Windows again. :^O

Sometimes it just feels good to get even with them. :D

Col ]:)

by jaqui

you should have given him a slakware box, or better yet, netbsd box.

that would really have been getting even with him.

by hal 9000

My Debian Test Box was handy, I also didn't say anything about giving him a password let alone the root account password. :^O

However I did give him a bunch of Cd's with the programs that he required on them RPM's naturally. ;)

I would just start it running in the morning and leave him to it and every time he asked for a "ROOT" well I'll leave that to your imagination but I do understand that several complaints where made about Sexual Harassment as he kept asking everyone what a "ROOT" was. :)

It was fun watching him trying to get into the thing. :p

Col ]:)

by hal 9000

Root has an entirely different meaning over here when used in anything except a conversation about plants it is purely Sexual. ;)

But the guy started out by asking very loudly "What the Hell is a Root?" so that everybody in the office could hear him which brought about a round of laughter and quite a few of the guys working there sending him a How to Manual and most of the females feigning horror. :p

Of course since everybody knew that this particular unit had been working perfectly for 3 years he couldn't come and say it was broken and a pile of junk but being the self professed expert that he is he couldn't come to me and say that he didn't know how to work it either. :^O

Worked out perfectly all round for me anyway. :D

Col ]:)

by jaqui

the fact you gave him a well knowndistro is the drawback.

when punishing someone never be that nice.
take the extra time to set up a marginal distro on the box.. or use an ancient box.
even more fun, as they will still do the same things, but won't have half the fun.

by hal 9000

For 3 days and missed his deadline how much harder could I be? ;)

Besides the box that I gave him was the oldest in the place something that I saved from a upgrade and was experimenting with Debian as a possible replacement server it was a Dual 1 GIG P3 with only 512 MEG of RAM and on-board video. Great for a server but terrible for any graphic artist. :p

Anyway he couldn't install the necessary programs and as I was fixing his box he couldn't call me away from the work to get the required programs installed on his loaner. But if this helps it was the unstable version of Woody that was loaded at the time. :^O

Although I suppose that's no help as the Unstable version of Debian is far more reliable than a 5 year old production and Patched Version of Windows. I suppose i could always have removed the HDD and just given him a Live Linux to work with. But I didn't think of that in the heat of the moment. :)

Col ]:)

by maxwell edison

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There is NO SUCH THING as a political moderate. Moderate is an adjective, not a noun.

Liberal, the noun, is a person with liberal ideas or opinions, or is a member of a Liberal political party.

Conservative, the noun, is a person with conservative ideas or opinions, or is a member of a Conservative political party.

Libertarian, the noun, is a person with libertarian ideas or opinions, or is a member of a Libertarian political party.

Socialist, the noun, is a person with socialist ideas or opinions, or is a member of a socialist political party.

There is no "moderate" political party that advances "moderate" ideas or opinions, although the unprincipled buffoons (of any political party) who are afraid to stand firmly on principle might want you to think otherwise.

A politician wants to wear the "moderate" label for one reason, and one reason only. To get votes from BOTH sides so he can remain sitting on the fence and/or in his congressional seat. A non-politician wants to wear the "moderate" label for one reason, and one reason only. To give the appearance of being "open-minded"; but it really means that he can't, or is afraid to, commit to a particular principle and/or issue.

A person either believes in transfer of wealth social programs or not. If he believes in transfer of wealth social programs, but in moderation, he still believes in them, so he is no "moderate"; and if he believes in transfer of wealth social programs for one reason, but not other reasons, he still believes in them, so he is no "moderate".

A person either believes in abortion or not. If he believes in abortion, but in moderation, he still believes in them, so he is no "moderate".

A person either believes in the death penalty or not. If he believes in the death penalty, but in moderation, or only in certain cases, he still believes in it, so he is no "moderate".

And the people who might define themselves as "moderate" because they pick-and-choose certain issues from each major political party are just playing with words and/or are afraid to be called an extremist, and/or are afraid to show their true principled colors, most likely for reasons of political expediency. A pro-abortion Republican, for example, who claims to advance tax rate cuts (and maybe only in moderation) is not a "moderate". It's merely a silly ploy to attempt to be all things to all people, something that's impossible to do if maintaining a principled position is desired.

You can drink in moderation; you can eat in moderation; you can do almost anything in moderation; but you can't think in moderation. (Sarcasm alert: Well, okay, maybe there are some people, politicians or otherwise, who really do think in moderation. End of sarcasm alert.) In almost ALL cases, a person either believes one way or the other -- there is no Moderate.

And as to YOUR "moderate" label from the "how evil are you" Web site, it didn't say you were a political moderate, and there was no political connotation intended. It said that you might seek moderation in all things. I don't see anything "political" about it. My guess is that you, not unlike me, might eat, drink, and be merry in "moderation". You might work in moderation, finding an acceptable balance between your work life and personal life. You're neither a workoholic or a slacker. You have both a fun side and a serious side. And you might find a reasonable balance between taking yourself too seriously and not seriously enough, all the while considering the serious principles on which your life might be based, one of which is the principle to have a fun life. You probably give of yourself, and also give to yourself.

In short, you're not an extremist wacko about anything, but rather well-balanced and firmly grounded person.

by jamesrl

If there were truly no such thing as moderation in politics, then there would only be two sides to any issue.

Your intimation that a pro-choice Republican is unprincipled is flaggergasting. If anything I feel for the courage of someone who chooses to follow personal principle for something they believe in against the considerable financial and peer pressure from his/her fellows. I am sure there are probably more than one instance of a republican who favours pro-choice or a democrat who favours tax cuts to business who don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for their own principles.

You chose to see such a person as unprincipled, I chose to see the issue as much more complicated.

If we expressed personal political values as objects, in set theory, we would never see a total consistency between a political parties expressed value set and the individual's value set, unles the individual with no real personal values chooses to adopt the party's value as a whole without thinking. Party's values do change over time, and some people's values change as well, but rarely at the same rate.

Hence Tony Blair, whose father was a "Conservative" and who had some conservative tendancies when younger, became a Labour leader. But it can be argued in the process of doing so he changed the Labour parties place on the political spectrum to somewhere in the middle, and in the process alienated some hard core socialists with his talk of the third way.

My father was a "worker" in a company before and after unions. He became a union steward. He supported his particular union, but even while doing that chose to vote for the conservatives on many occasions, because overall they fit his vlaue set better at the time. That doesn't mean he didn't support his union in his workplace. But he didn't support his union in their political activities outside his workplace. Was he principled? Of course he was.

I could say the same of members of parliament in the NDP (socialist)party here in Canada who were also Roman Catholics, and believed in their churchs doctrine around gay marriage, and chose to vote against it. While I support gay marriage, I can admire their stand on principle, especially since they knew the bill would pass regardless of how they voted.

I believe in the woman's right to choose under most circumstances. But I don't think its totally black and white.

I don't personally like the idea of using abortion as birth control. I don't think early pregnancy abortion is murder because I don't believe life begins at conception. I do think at some point in time when the fetus is truly viable, its wrong to abort. When that point in the pregnancy is, I haven't done enough research. But I was born at 7 months, and if someone wants an abortion at 7 months for reasons other than protecting the life of the mother, I think its wrong. Do my views conflict with themselves? Yes. But there is no black and white you are either with me or against me stance. To think so is naieve.

I make these points not to precipitate an argument on abortion, but to try and make the point on moderation.

James

by bfilmfan

Hear Ye! Hear Ye! Let it be known far and wide that Miss ITgirli is actually a wild and patrying animal with a bottle of tequilla in one hand, a pair of leopard print boxers on her head and Betty Paige look-a-like clothing in her closet. Thus, she has been granted the femme fatalle geekette rating of "Wicked!"

Feel better now? (running and laughing)

by hal 9000

With your newly credited powers you don't have to run from anything at all if IT Girl wants to try to get at you, you can have her head chopped off or better still have her barred from TR all together. ;)

We mere minions would never consider attempting to displease you in any way whatsoever under any circumcisions. :^O

Col ]:)

by jck

"You evidently are the most hardened, evil b@stard ever, and only show a soft side to further your own goals. Satan bows to you and would bear your children if you desired. You are one sick f***er.

You could only be one person: King Swill."

:D

by jck

I got plenty of opportunity...but as you said in the other thread, it's about finding who's right.

I've done my time as the drunken, bar-hopping, smooth talking guy...gave that up in college.

I now think more in line with something I heard Ricardo Montalban say, which was something to the effect of: Any man can sleep with many women, but it takes a real man to be with one woman his whole life.

I couldn't find the exact quote...sorry.

by m_a_r_k

It said I'm moderate. What a load of crap! I'm gonna retake the stupid test and see if I can do better.

by maxwell edison

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A problem I constantly have when I post long and detailed messages is that a person will take a clip from one paragraph and attach it to a clip from another paragraph, and then suggest that I said something which I did not say. I would have expected better from you, however, James.

I never said that a pro-abortion (or pro-choice, whichever label you prefer) Republican is unprincipled. I did suggest, however, that a person who claimed to take a "moderate" position on abortion was, since there is no "moderate" position to be had, and that it's probably tantamount to pandering or political fence-sitting.

Your reply simply shows me that people often don't read to understand, and I mean really understand, but rather to dissect and look for things to selectively disagree with.

I might comment on the rest of your message later. I think I should only address one thing at a time, lest you make the same mistake again and take liberties with selectively cut-and-pasting my comments.

by hal 9000

Have you noticed that our newly crowned Queen Geek hasn't participated in this thread?

Is Gadget Girl now so far removed from us lowly scum that she no longer feels the need to associate with us?

Don't you think it's time that we do something about this situation? ;)

Col ]:)

by maxwell edison

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If any "queen geek" was crowned, and it was someone other than mae, then it's a rigged election.

And if any "king geek" was crowned, and it was someone other than ___________, then it, too, was a rigged election.

by gadgetgirl

Been away from the board for a while, having to do some work. (yahboosucks)

(and if anyone has any hints on how to commit murder on one of your investigation team without getting caught, I'd love 'em)

And, as expected I got the Insane rating.

Now, if there had been a "Guttermoth" rating, I'm sure I would have scored the highest!

Just a quick post to keep Col happy (thanks for the pm, appreciated the fact that you missed me!) while I catch up with the rest of the board, and find out what's been happening in Geekdom while I've been tearing my hair out here.

GG

by jamesrl

Trust me, I re-read the paragraph, as frankly, I expected better of you.

"A pro-abortion Republican, for example, who claims to advance tax rate cuts (and maybe only in moderation) is not a "moderate". It's merely a silly ploy to attempt to be all things to all people, something that's impossible to do if maintaining a principled position is desired."

Are you not saying that someone who claims moderation in such a situation is unprincipled?

As for abortion, you strongly want to define a line in the sand. Sorry, I think thats simplistic. Are all murders equal? How about the abused woman who one day snaps and murders here husband. Are all abortions the same? How about where saving the woman's life is involved?

I don't believe that as an individual, I have the right to impose my beliefs on abortion on someone else - it would be different if someone could scientifically define when life begins. I know some define that as conception. That doesn't have widespread support in the scientific community.

I'm happy to state my core values.

I believe in the individual. I believe in tolerance. I believe diversity makes us stronger.

I believe in the individual's right to freedom to worship, freedom of expression (at least up to the point of inciting violence against others). I believe that my beliefs are my beliefs, and should not infringe upon the beliefs, freedom to worship, freedom of expresion of others. (Hence I do not support state sponsored religion, school prayers etc).

Economically, I believe that free markets are ideal, and that no society has ever had one. I believe that until there is true freedom of opportunity exists, the government may be an actor on the economic stage, to "balance" the system. I believe that some attempts at balance have gone too far. I don't believe the government has the role to redistribute wealth, but that governments may have to distribute wealth in order to balance the playing field.

I believe that corporate welfare is wrong. I believe that individuals need a safety net for situations where economic tides move faster than individuals can react, but that no one should be comfortable staying on welfare, and that the best way to move them off is to provide training and other incentives.

I believe but that governments don't cause depressions, nor can they solve them. Nor can they take credit for economic booms. The government, through interest rate policies, can influence these factors, but not cause them.

I think Max its true that I don't fit into your framework.

It was not my intention to take liberties with your post. I fully realize that there is room for interpretation in my posts and yours, and that I may have interpreted it differently that you intended. Thats not a criticism, nor an apology. I wouldn't bother replying to your posts if your rhetoric was on the level of some other posters. I recognize that doubtless I will not change your opinion, but I hope that you would at least understand where I am coming from.

James

by maxwell edison

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I intended for the full paragraph to be considered and understood in its entirety, not just one sentence from it. The preceding sentence of the paragraph set the stage for the one that followed.

---------- The full paragraph ----------

And the people who might define themselves as 'moderate' because they pick-and-choose certain issues from each major political party are just playing with words and/or are afraid to be called an extremist, and/or are afraid to show their true principled colors, most likely for reasons of political expediency. A pro-abortion Republican, for example, who claims to advance tax rate cuts (and maybe only in moderation) is not a 'moderate'. It's merely a silly ploy to attempt to be all things to all people, something that's impossible to do if maintaining a principled position is desired.

---------- End of paragraph ----------

You'll notice that the comment you cut-and-pasted was originally preceded with, "And the people who might define themselves as 'moderate' because they pick-and-choose certain issues from each major political party are just playing with words and/or are afraid to be called an extremist, and/or are afraid to show their true principled colors, most likely for reasons of political expediency". But for some reason, you decided to dismiss this premise of my comment, and it was the qualifier of my comment.

Such a person would be more accurately described as a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, but adding the two together does not equal a "moderate". In this example, half of one plus half of the other does not equal one of something entirely unrelated, but just half of both. That would be like saying half an orange plus half an apple equals a whole warm. (Nonsensical conclusion is intentional -- and to make a point.) And that was my point, I suppose, that could only be seen if the WHOLE paragraph is considered fully and completely.

But I will admit, however, perhaps I could have done a better job wording it, especially considering all those annoying "and/or" separaters. If I don't get my point across, and the reader truly tries to understand my point, then it's my failure to articulate it correctly, not the readers fault for processing it incorrectly. (Sercasm alert: Or perhaps I should have used a semicolin. End of sarcasm alert)

So James, I apologize for characterizing you incorrectly. (Assuming, of course, you weren't really intending to be nit-picky.) And this just goes to show how people can take something that someone "said" and create a whole new meaning than the one originally intended.

by maxwell edison

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I DO understand where you're coming from, James. I really DO. (I may not agree, but I understand.)

However, you cannot possibly advance many of your positions without infringing on the rights of others who disagree with you. You just can't. And that's when "where you are coming from" trespasses onto "where someone else might be coming from". And that is when you have come too far.

I would make a compromise in my desired society. You seem to focus on abortion (although I simply used that issue as an illustration). While you (and others) see abortion as a womans' issue, I see it as an unborn womens' (and unborn mens') issue. Where you (and others) want a lot of ambiguity, I want a clearly defined beginning and clearly defined guidelines. Where you (and others) think that either a woman's "right to choose" trumps the unborn's right to survival, or the unborn have no rights at all, I disagree.

However, I would yield on the abortion issue if it meant that all transfer of wealth programs were abolished, and full and total individual liberty (without infringing on the liberties of others) was restored. Would YOU make that compromise? My guess is no, you wouldn't.

by maxwell edison

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And all of the issues I mentioned are among them, at least if considered in their basic form.

If you decide for yourself to apply some sliding scale to the abortion issue and call it being "moderate", it doesn't mean that another person will see it the same way. Moreover, applying the word "moderate" to it isn't accurate, and it's only intended to deceive. I've never heard of anyone getting a moderate abortion. It's either an abortion or it's not, and there's nothing "moderate" about it.

by maxwell edison

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....and just let the chips fall where they may. If you do that, you won't need to hide behind some "moderate" facade.

I believe it's WRONG for a person to take something that does not belong to them - PERIOD! And if they do it under the guise of a government program implemented under the additional guise of fairness and/or maintaining societal structure, it doesn't make it any less wrong.

Abortion is WRONG, whether it is in the first week, the last week, or any week in-between.

The death penalty is WRONG and barbaric. And I don't care if it's implemented for murder (in the USA) or adultery (in other countries).

Take a stand, James; call it like it is; call 'em like you really see 'em; and just let the chips fall where they may. And then, you won't have to hide behind some "moderate" label.

by jaqui

the death penalty is good.

kill em all, let the gods sort them out.
( or the christian translation:
Judgement is Mine said The LORD )
so just kill the accused and send them on to be judged, by the one the claimed Judgement.

by itgirli

Death Penalty. Good idea, but bad way of doing it. Put it on Pay-per-view and use the money to get the country out of debt. Perhaps they should do it Gladiator style.

by hal 9000

She awarded the Crowns one to BFilnFan as King Geek and Gadget Girl as Queen Geek at

https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=96&threadID=181148&start=0

And I agree it was rigged neither of us got short listed. :(

Which is most likely in our own best interests as we would be potential threats to the current Monarchs and have to be removed and dealt with. :D

So now we mere minions must grovel at the feet of our Glorious Monarchs without complaint or else with their powers our heads might roll. :^O

Our Glorious King Geek is a right little Megalomaniac {he reminds me of Graeme Garden from the Goodies when he got carried away with his inventions} as he wants anyone who is appearing on the site ratings above him to be barred for a long enough length of time so he can reach Number 1 which is his rightful place on TR so I'm in BIG TROUBLE. :p

Col ]:)

by maecuff

While I appreciate (I think) the thought, I think I would have to at least occasionally participate in SOME technical discussions or Q&A. Unless you think I'm a geek for other reasons?

I really would like to have a tiara, that would be cool.

by maxwell edison

King Geek went to BFilm fan? A nice guy, I'm sure, but why not you or me? You're the biggest geek around the water cooler, that we all know for sure. After all, who else works 25 hours a day and 8 days a week on this stuff if not you? And I was sitting at the top of the Q&A scorers list for over a year, and in the top five for forever years. (Sarcasm Alert: The judges must have been Democrats -- legislating from the bench again! End of Sarcasm Alert)

by hal 9000

Perhaps we could present both the King and Queen with some new cloths like the ones that where made for that Emperor. :D I'm sure you know the ones that I'm thinking about. Of course we would have to have both the King & Queen's photos available for us just to make sure that the new cloths actually fit. After all we are paying so many Tech Points we need to get value for our money. :^O

Anyway the competition had to be rigged as a Bloody Pom won Queen Geek now that is plain and simple unfair and wrong. :(

Anyway on a serious note it's now 2.31 AM Sunday Morning so I'm going to look at the insides of my eye lids for a few hours before I start all over again. One day I'll get some time to actually have a play with some of my toys instead of working on computers which She Who Must Be Obeyed thinks of as "My Toys!" I've got some Ducati & Mercedes bits over the last few weeks/months so I want to get around to fitting them soon. :D

Col ]:)

by jaqui

im mind.
that one is definately evil.
no hard drive and live cd only...
but you have to get a 386 to hand over for it. ]:)

by hal 9000

Jaqui do those things still exist?

I haven't seen a 486 in ages and even then I was mostly junking them because of the capacitor on the M'Board leaked and ruined the board. The early Pentium's with the battery seem to just keep working so much better. ;)

But I still have a few of those Capacitors new as spare parts just in case I ever run across one that needs replacing although I think of them as wasted money now days and don't even count them come stock take time. :^O

Col ]:)

by sgt_shultz

view property, natural hot springs. terms available. if you guys are going so willy-nilly clicking on links like that, you might be interested in my property for your retirement home.
or am i silly?

by jaqui

they are still around.
still functioning ( somewhat )
I just cleaned out 6 from storage.
most had a whopping 8 mb ram.
the hdds were all only about 500 megs

by maxwell edison

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You see, it's because it's not possible for you to advance your agenda without forcing others to comply. You advocate FORCING others to comply to your desires.

While I, on the other hand, don't want to force anyone to do anything (except, of course, prevent them from forcing their will on me).

That's the bottom line, Chas. I'm glad you can live with yourself. I know I couldn't

But you don't do it to be evil; but quite frankly, I don't know why you do it. Why do you advocate FORCING others to comply to your desires?

by thechas

Max,

The only thing I wish to force, is a change in the US social paradigm.

It is the present social paradigm that compels the average US citizen to buy a large SUV, an oversized house, and geometrically expand the urban landscape. Along the way, we consume several times our share of fossil fuels.

If we can shift the social paradigm to frown upon instead of exulting excessive consumption, just think of the positive impact that would have on all of society.

Would not a well played zinger have a greater effect on the person who brags about making it from point a to point b in an impossibly short time than placing 10 police cars along their route?

Same for the person who buys a large SUV, fast sports car, or large home PREDOMINANTLY for the purpose of braggers rights.

Should people have the right to buy that which they want and can afford?
Yes!

Should society celebrate and hold up those who practice excessive consumption as models of how we should live?
Definitely not!

As to my devils and evils. They have nothing to do with my socialist leanings.
I am much more troubled by things I have done in the name of conservatism than of liberalism.

I honestly believe that mankind will not reach it's full potential until we have a single world government that leans toward socialism.
The key here will be the altruism of the elected leaders.

Anyhow, it is time to go taunt my demons.

Chas

by m_a_r_k

I studied my ass off this weekend and I retook the test a few minutes ago. I finally passed. Now it tells me I'm insane, not evil, and that I need to get help. ]:)

by montgomery gator

Mine came out as Neutral, "moderation towards all things."

This test must be flawed, since I consider "moderation" one of the great evils of the world.

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the defense of justice no virtue" - Barry Goldwater

by maxwell edison

Anyone who will quote Barry Goldwater, perhaps the last of the great conservatives before the fall of the Republican Party, is a hero in my eyes -- and a very wise one at that.

by jamesrl

Where we have achieved equal opportunity for all, a level playing field, then I say start dismantling social programs.

I don't know that I buy into horse trading on one for another. I can see say improving training for the economically challenged and making welfare rules tougher - thats one of those types of quid pro quos that make sense. But to me abortion, which is by far not my biggest issue either, gun control, captial punishment - these are stand alone issues. BTW in Canada these are most often non -party votes where the party whip relinquishes the right to enforce party discipline and everyone votes their conscience without fear of party reprisals.

One of the reasons I am uncomfortable with the way you portray many issues as two dimensional is this. Personally, I feel uncomfortable in the welfare state. I think that dismantling it immediately would be disastorous and perhaps even cruel. But we should all constantly assess where we are and look to take it apart piece by piece.

Take for example affirmative action. I am uncomfortable with the concept that two wrongs make a right, and by discriminating on colour to resolve a descrimination on colour issue, what message do we send. I can accept that it is in place and may be the most expedient means to an end. But I still think we should ask ourselves if we have reached the point where it is no longer needed. We may or may not be there yet, but we should ask ourselves periodically.

We may disagree from time to time on what liberties are. The concept of inalienable rights is not something Canadians are necessarily comfortable with, though it was a Canadian have tried to enshrine them in the UN declaration of universal human rights.

James

by maxwell edison

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There will never be a level playing field, as people are simply born into different circumstances, but there is equal opportunity for all, at least in the USA. Equality of opportunity, however, does not mean equality of outcome, as outcome is a matter of individual choice, and/or a matter of preference, and/or a matter of desire and effort. Moreover, it does not mean that one person might not have greater obstacles to overcome than another.

That's life, dude. Don't try to make life fair. For if you do, you are doomed to fail -- and bring others down with you in the process.

And while you think it's cruel to dismantel the welfare state, I think it's cruel to maintain it. I can't think of anything more cruel than to tell somebody, either directly or indirectly, that he's incapable of assuming self-responsibility. And if excuses are made for it, and if measures are taken to facilitate it, then that's exactly what you're doing.

by jamesrl

I agree that we can't and shouldn't try to make everyone's outcomes the same. Impossible, and frankly wrong to try.

I do think that the US/Canada/most western countries, have made great strides towards creating equality of opportunity but haven't achieved it yet.

For example, if you wouldn't have a problem sending your kids to the worst school district in the country, then things would be relatively equal. Thats not saying that I blame solely governments or suggest that its a financial situation - throwing money at a problem is rarely the only part in a viable solution. But basic education is a pre-requisite for success in later life, and children/parents are often forced economically into limited choices for schooling.

What an individual does with good schooling is up to them. I was fortunate to be from a low income area and go to some great schools. Not everyone is so lucky.

I do think that the majority of people have to work hard to succeed, as it should be. There should be an incentive to success. But the barriers should not be so high as to cause loss of hope. They should be attainable with effort, not luck.

James

by maxwell edison

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I've read, and still have in my library, three of his books: The Conscience of a Majority, With No Apologies, and Goldwater.

His foreign policy and economic opinions are pretty much right-on with mine. And his social libertarianism is palatable with me. But since economic issues are number one to me, foreign policy is a close second, and social issues a distant last, I don't care if we disagree on abortion and such.

I always wanted to meet him, but never had the chance before he died. I came real close once at a conference in Phoenix, but our paths just didn't cross that day. And even though we've never met, and although he's dead and gone, I still consider him one of my political mentors, both past and present. The Republican Party, if it's to keep any semblance of true conservatism, needs another Barry Goldwater.

by montgomery gator

I did disagree with Goldwater on some of the social issues, he is too libertarian in that regard, but he was right on with economic issues, where being libertarian is the place to be.

As far as potential conservative leaders in the GOP, you might want to check out Herman Cain, former CEO of Godfather's Pizza, former candidate for the GOP nomination for Senator in Georgia, author of the book "They Think You're Stupid", and frequent contributor to Fox News Business block of TV shows. I hope he runs for President. He would have my vote.

http://www.hermancain.com/

by hal 9000

How's it feel to be in the trenches with the real grunts who keep you in power? :p

Col ]:)

by maecuff

but..I'm all talk. I actually babysit for my single parent employees from time to time.

by hal 9000

Well in one piece anyway? :p

Anyway after this week I could gladly kill off one child he's only in his mid 20's and feed him to his parents. ;)

But I'll probably settle for accidentally inserting 2 HDD's into some liquid Nitrogen and then accidentally dropping them after they have been in the liquid for about 30 minutes they should shatter quite nicely when they hit the floor :D

Col ]:)

by maecuff

Of course, I haven't killed or lost a child yet. I'm not saying there aren't emotional scars, but nothing I can be arrested for. :)

by hal 9000

So I'm not concerned but I was actually thinking about doing it far away from anything at all technical except of course the chainsaw. It would have to have electronic ignition so I can start it easier. :^O

Col ]:)

by hal 9000

I have some very nasty thoughts of Liquid Nitrogen and dropping thing into it for quite a long time and then dropping them from about 6 feet onto a hard floor. ;)

That way you could clean them up while still frozen and there would be no forensics. :p

Then all you would have to do is flush the remains away and as they would all be small you would most likely get away with it. Well they are my Fantasies anyway! :^O

But you could always do the following.

A big corporation recently hired several cannibals. "You are all part of our team now," said the personnel officer during the welcoming briefing. "You get all the usual benefits and you can go to the cafeteria for something to eat, but please don't eat any of the other employees." The cannibals promised they would not.

Four weeks later their boss remarked, "You're all working very hard, and I'm quite satisfied with you. However, one of our IT Techs has disappeared. Do any of you know what happened to her?" The cannibals all shook their heads "No." After the boss had left, the leader of the cannibals asked the others, "Which one of you idiots ate the Tech?" A hand raised hesitantly, to which the leader of the cannibals continued, "You fool...! For four weeks we've been eating CEOs and no one noticed anything, but noooooo, you had to go and eat someone important!"

Now anyone know where I can find some cannibals? :p

Col ]:)

by hal 9000

I'm a firm believer that children should be seen and never heard even when they are adults.

I tried dumping mine into barrels and just leaving them there where they couldn't be heard screaming for release but the little sods got out. Then I tried telling them To go play on the Freeway in front of an oncoming semi!" again they never listened to a single word that I said but I'm sure if I had of told them not to go near the road they would have lived in it.

What is really funny is to see a Great Dane with absolutely no road sense at all actually keeping the kids away from the road the same dog would walk out in front of a car and just look at it daring the driver to hit him but he wouldn't allow the kids anywhere near the road.

Actually when kids are about 5 -7 years old that are at their best but before that they are too much hard work and anything after that age they are just to Bloody Expensive to have. My 2 are not 31 and 29 and I'm looking for escape proof barrels again. :^O

Col ]:)

by maecuff

I suspect most of your b*tching about yours kids is bullsh*t. I suspect that they are your pride and joy. :)

by hal 9000

Both my wife and myself constantly tell both of the kids that once they start having children we are filling up the Mobile Home and going for a holiday around AU for at least 35 years. ;)

The boy is the worst as he will not move any more than 15 minutes driving time away from our home so he is constantly calling in for whatever he wants. Like last week he had his electricity cut off so I had to run around like a headless chock getting the bill paid and arranging its reconnection. :(

As they where not a friendly lot to deal with I asked for the person's name that I was speaking to and when she wanted to know why I wanted her name I just told her that to get the money at such short notice I had to rent out my 6 year old to the Neighbourhood Pervert and when the cops paid me a visit I wanted to send them straight to her as it was her doing. :^O

The girl on the other hand has moved a couple of hours away driving time and we are constantly required to drive up to her place to do something that means half a tank of fuel and half the day wasted as well. :(

But if you would like them I can wrap them both in brown paper and post them to you surface mail, {Naturally they will be both packed properly so they can not escape or even tear the brown paper,} if I sent them air mail they would get there to fast for you and you wouldn't have the time to make the necessary arraignments. :^O

They started out Life as horrible little sods and have only got worse, they constantly want their parents to do things for them and then totally ignore what they have been told to do before they come over to have whatever it is done. My daughter would be quite happy in the US as she personally owns 3 T-Birds and has just returned from a round the world trip which was actually only a pretext to get into the US and buy more cars.

Even that trip was a nightmare for us as she arranged Global Roaming on her Mobile Phone and at 4.00 AM we got a phone call asking us to ring her Telco and demand to know why the phone didn't work in the US and what they where going to do about it. Of course they refused to do anything at all when they eventually opened shop for the day and she had to buy a prepaid Mobile in the US for the 6 weeks that she was there.

They both steal our cars have stolen house keys for this place and let themselves in whenever they like, constantly claim to all of their friends that anything that we own is theirs if they like it and even worse they both are constantly dropping me in it from great heights to their friends and giving away my time with out allowing me to charge for it to fix friends computers particularly the ones in business who should be paying but they constantly insist that Dad Will Fix It For You! :p

The one that I really liked was one of my sons friends from High School who has recently bought a real estate business and the network wasn't working so my son volunteered me for the repair and insisted that the guy was doing it hard and all the rest as he had only had the place for 4 months and when I got there this kid was boasting to me that he had already made Half a Million $ profit. This is the same kid that I was volunteered to do a CV for to get his first job and even then he boasted about just how good his CV was and that it landed him that job but he never thanked me for doing it. :D

They are both so evil that they will live forever as Heaven couldn't stand the invasion of them and the guy in Hell is way too scarred that he will be thrown out of a job and become unemployed if they hit that place. Of course Purgatory has been closed indefinitely until it is decided what will happen to them when they die. :^O

Neither of them has yet learnt to keep their mouths shut about anything at all, they both allow their mouths to run off with their brains in neutral or even better switched off at the time. :D

Col ]:)

by maecuff

Please don't ship them to me. I have 4 of my own. And various sisters from both sides of the family who have dropped in and then forgot to leave. It seems we run a halfway house for our down on their luck relatives.