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    I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

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    by it_lobo ·

    If I am unable to post my opinion without Oz feeling the need to tell me I am wrong then it is time for me to leave. He has constantly belittle me for having a different opinion then him. If I am unable to have freedom of speach on a forum then the forum admins are failing at there job. They allow Oz free reign on stepping on peoples opinions and thoughts. TR has failed!! One person should not dictate what should be posted and how it should be posted. TR has failed!!!

    Oz you need to get of your “snarfing” high horse and realize other people have an opinion and you are just going to have to live with that. You need to stop reading in to post. You constantly put words in my mouth and the mouths of othere. TR has failed to ensure everyone on this forum has an equal right to have an opinion. TR has failed!!!

    If you don’t have the same opinion has Oz, he makes person attacks and reads into your post to try and make your opinion not worthy. TR has failed!!! We all have opinions, no ones is more important then someones else. TR has failed to ensure this!!! Oz, you have distroyed thes boards and the TR website has lost much respect because of your actions. TR at any point you could have stepped up and prevented this, but you decide to allow peoples rights to be squashed. TR failed.

    I enjoyed the 1 year I was on the TR website, but thanks to one man, Oz, I am leaving. I will not have one person tell me my opinion is wrong and I should make post in a different way to please him. Oz, you have stepped on my rights for the last time. Thanks. Who needs freedom when people like you try to take it away.

    BTW,

    Thanks TR for allowing this to happen. Who needs rights when people like you watch other people take it away.

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    • #3238156

      Better response to others’ opinions

      by stress junkie ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      There’s no reason to blame one or even several people for dominating the forums. You don’t have to pay attention to their posts. The regular readers of these forums know who they admire and who they don’t listen to. Oz has his admirers. There’s nothing wrong with that. There’s no reason to ask TR staff to censor anyone just for being controversial or having strong opinions. If you’re going to post your opinions then you need to be prepared to hear others comment on your opinions. It isn’t reasonable to post your opinions in a public place and then get upset when other people disagree with you.

      I’ve made plenty of posts that others thought were completely misguided. Sometimes their responses to my posts cause me to rethink my position. Sometimes I think that their criticism is wrong. That’s what happens in a public discussion. An exchange of ideas creates an opportunity for us to learn from each other, even if some people don’t reevaluate their own positions when they participate in the discussions.

      There was/is another case where one TR member seems to look for the posts of another TR member just to criticize them. I think it’s funny to watch this silliness. I don’t think that the TR staff need to censor members who add character to the discussions.

      I think that you are being too sensitive. I hope that you will change your mind about participating in the TR forums. The group of active posters is very small. TR would benefit from the diversity that your participation would provide.

      FYI. IMHO. LSMFT.

      ===============

      I just looked at your discussion history. Naturally I didn’t look at all of the posts that show up in that list but it appears that your only encounter with Oz_media was in the discussion about the Army recruiter. Anyone knows that if you are going to participate in what is basically a political/social debate you have to be prepared to receive some strong negative feedback. That just goes with the territory. Try to restrict yourself to technical discussions and you will have a better experience. That’s what I do most of the time.

      • #3237820

        I have to agree there on this remark

        by mrwillybil ·

        In reply to Better response to others’ opinions

        One quick note to add here if I may. You learn to keep politics, religion OUT of public forums. It will only come back to (byte) in the end. But, if it’s a case of someone attacking you, why leave or stoop to their level by attacking back or not participating on here. Try not to take things personal, but learn to laugh at them. Don’t you think the legits here are laughing?

    • #3238144

      You letting yourself down ?

      by oz_media ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      First of all, YOU have told me flat out that you will speak your mind and no matter what I say or do, you are not scared to stand up for yourself, you won’t “back-down like all the others.” You told me how much tougher than the rest you were, you called me every name under the sun and then told me all about free speech.

      I also explained that I have NEVER (please find a single post) told you you can’t post here, I have never said you were NOT entitled to an opinion.

      IN fact you have also had NO problem sharing your side and throwing the flames and personal attacks out while fanning your own fire.

      NOW, you decide to make some triumphant exit post, a thread of it’s own, and complain that I have stopped your free speech (seems you’ve had NO problem speaking out to me or airing your ideas while flaming me), as you have also demonstrated here.

      When I explain that you can’t just toss around opinion without fact to suport it, you complan that I am telling you how to speak.
      Which is not treu at all, as I explained that is just how you offer credibility to your comments and make your point. Just throwing out wild theories with no supporting fact is going to get ripped apart, as I said before, I used to do that and got the exact same treatment, ‘support your comments, or some one else will support thiers’.

      So for this big tough army girl who tells me that she won’t be scared away like ‘all the others’ (that are actually still here and able to offer thier opinions) you sure do turn tail and run whlie complaining on the way out.

      If YOU feel you can’t keep up, or just want people to agree with you, then it is YOUR right to not post here.

      If YOU feel you don’t want to share your opinions, if YOU feel you can’t support your opinions, if YOU feel you don’t have anything worth saying, then that is 100% your perogative.

      Don’t try and spend three days calling me names, with nothing to support your claims, and in a very hyporcitical manner, then flame me one more time in your exit.

      Sorry, but that just doesn’t fly.

      You want to be able to call people names, you flame those who you feel aren’t tough enough to be in your military, you question anyone’s comments by asking if THEY have any military experience or know more military personelle than you, you shoot down comments by asserting that THEY don’t know anything because YOU hear it from the soldiers mouths first hand, you tell people how tough and sure footed you are.
      Then you accuse someone else of supporting thier own points and not just accepting yours and claim THAT is stepping on your rights to freespeech?

      You also complained and flamed MY sources of information, you flamed MY comments as not being up to par with your own knowledge. And the whole time I didn’t call you any names but simply responded with a point/counterpoint format that you consider looking too deep into your post?

      Then your even complaining that the site editors haven’t done thier job, as if that job is to create a forum where you can say what you want uncontested and without debate or discussion. This isn’t a blog, this is a discussion forum.

      I suppose this is what you meant when you claim that the army had trained you to “keep your cool”.

      As for taking away your rights, does your submit button no longer work? Did I send the gremlins that disabled your keyboard?

      You DO understand though that as for FREE SPEECH, which you seem to take a little too literally, IF and that’s…IF Tech Republic wanted to edit or remove all of your posts they could do so completely within thier right.
      THEREFORE, your freedom of speech and expression REALLY doesn’t come into play here does it? You are barking up the wrong tree.

      Now we have to take a look at your own comments to put this in perspective I suppose…

      • #3238130

        Looking at your own comments

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to You letting yourself down ?

        YOUR FIRST COMMENT IN THE THREAD YOU ARE RUNNING FROM (not toward me but the original poster):

        [i][b]”This kind of post…Pisses me off.[/b] You are judging the Army as a whole by one dishonest recruiter.

        Using the Army to push your Anti-bush rhetoric brings down all the brave men and woman serving in the Army.

        If you can read this, Thank a teacher!

        If you can read this in English, THANK A SERVICE MEMBER!!!”[/i]

        So far it seems like you have begun by attacking the poster, who has made no such claims at all. Perhaps ‘reading too much’ into his post?
        4 people NOT INCLUDING myself disagreed and commented on your post yet you didn’t flame them or complain about your free speech, in fact you just didn’t reply to them at all.

        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

        [b]BOY did you read into it.[/b]
        You went on to secribe how it is not the soldiers fault and we should be supporting the soldiers regardless of the war.

        I have NEVER suggested otherwise and anyone here knows that I DO fully support the soldiers who are in Iraq. I’d say you read too much into my post, especially to reach conclusions that were never even hinted upon.
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Now you go on to flame me to another peer whom you actually agree with.

        [i]” But since I am agreeing with you Oz will start to attack you more (don’t ask me why, it must make him feel important).”[/i]

        Now seeing as you and I have shared only perhaps two or three posts at this point, I find it hard to see that you reached such a conclusion based on any form of fact. Did I not wholly agree with you and that upset you? Did I not bow at your FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE?
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

        I told you to grow up with the third party comments and if you have something to say to just sa it to me instead. I suppose I was stepping on your rights to free speech there by inviting your comments too, huh?
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

        This is the real kicker! Right after a third party comment about my posts to show another peer you are smarter than me;
        [i]You go around trying to push your opinion on people and expect them not to push back. When someone pushes back and states a different opinion you call them childish and wrong. I have been reading your post in this thread and have seen alot of misleading or incorrect information that you are trying to pass of as the truth. [/i]
        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

        At that point I asked you to please show me all this incorrect information that I am trying to pass off as truth and support your claims with counter proof. You then said I was the one who needed to grow up.
        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        My reply :
        [i]Speak to ME, defend your point, you are welcome to and I invite your PROOF that you say you have.

        The problem is, when people don’t want to face an issue, the easy way out is to make third party comments (not addressing the person themselves) in an attempt to build alliance and while doing so, invite attack.[/i]

        You see where this is going yet?

        YOU are pissed off because I am able to provide support for my statements, you are not. When you are ASKED to support your claims you say I am hindering your free speech and that my claims are wrong. Sorry, that just doesn’t hold water. And on and on it went, more false claims toward me, often accusing me of exactly what you offer in your posts.

        NOW you start running off on TR for not doing THIER job????

        What IS TR’s JOB or DUTY to you or I?

        It is certainly got nothing to do with free speech, this is a private forum, if you say what THEY (TR) don’t like it can be removed, edited, or you can have your registration revoked. SO much for free speech here I guess.

        They are not obligated to create a place where you can speak your mind without rebuttal, that’s called a web log, or more commonly a BLOG. NOT a discussion where facts are debated.

        SO much for all of your comments:

        -“Do you get some kind of thrill trying to brain wash people with your mumbo jumbo.”
        -“Small minded people may fall for that, but I will not.”
        -“Stop trying to take peoples freedom of speach away!!”
        -“Still haven’t figured it out yet have you. You must not be as smart as you think you are.”

        ALL IN ONE POST!

        A post to someone else:

        [b]”I think you have been mistaken”[/b]

        “The US Military is still in Afghanistan. I have friends over there hunting for “turds”. I don’t care if C-a-n-a-d-a supports us or not, they can’t even decide who is in charge of there country.”

        So far you seem to be having no problem tellin gpeople how to post or stepping on THIER freedom of speech.

        YOu then say I am so easy to piss off and are too predictable?

        [i]”The only thing you know about the war in Iraq is what you read in papers and hear on the news. I get to hear it from the soldiers on the ground. No editing, no sugar coating, the straight FACTS.”[/i]

        Uh, SURE YOU DO! 😀

        Am I not also entitled to offer my opinion now?

        It just drones on and on, you are 100% hypocritical, you expect YOUR coments to be taken verbatim as YOU heard it in the military chat room coming right from the soldiers mouths. YOu also try to enforce that MY opinion doesn’t count, that it is false and yet you haven’t provided a SINGLE SHRED of support for ANY of you claims other than you heard it in the military chat room.

        Oter people disagreed with you and you just stopped posting, I disagree with you and you flame me with no substantial proof of your claims and then complain that TR isn’t doing thier DUTY TO YOU WHO MUST BE OBEYED?
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Sorry Colin, I know that’s your wife’s title. 😉

        I won’t go into all the times you have described YOUR information as being more correct and others such as myself hearingnothing but BS, because that would simply downplay all your attempts at saying that we squash your freedom of speech.

        Have a nice day, just remember who walked away without any fight left in her. Perhaps you can share that with your military buddies in the chat room.

        Funny how I debate the same issues with everyone else in the forum and they even have points I agree with. They also don’t try to assume I am saying what I haven’t though, and they reply with the sources of thier information and post links for my benefit.

        If you didn’t win an i-Pod, I’m sorry, just don’t try taking it out on me.

        • #3237212

          Oz_Media, that is totally unfair!

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Looking at your own comments

          You dare to bring FACTS into a discussion? That may have been tolerated in 1777, but nowadays we ‘Merikans don’t go for that sort a thing!

          Vote Bush/Cheney for 1984!

        • #3236967

          LOL

          by synthetic ·

          In reply to Oz_Media, that is totally unfair!

          Nicely said, and your point very well made! Talking facts with ex-military is like talking human rights with Alberto Gonzales, or Fitness, Compassion, and Charcter with Vheny.

      • #3238088

        You got your wish

        by it_lobo ·

        In reply to You letting yourself down ?

        You pushed me out of the site, congrats on that. You say you didn’t call me names. I am a man and you know that but you feel the need to call me a “girl” you have also call me childish, I need to grow up, and other back handed comments. You must be a real man to attach people on an online forum. Just because I don’t have the same point of view as you does not mean it is wrong.

        BTW, last time I checked a person’s opinion was neither right or wrong, it’s just an opinion.

        • #3237300

          Obviously I haven’t though

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to You got your wish

          YOu still continue to post your little tirade against me though, so I suppose you didn’t get hurt that bad after all.

          As for calling you a girl, I honestly thought I read a comment between you and itgirli where you said something to that effect, as I said, my mistake but in this case and honest one.

          We all know about opinions anyway, just like a$$holes, everyone’s has one and they are all full of ****.

          So why is your opinion MORE valid than mine and more importantly, you made claims that you can prove my information wrong, yet have made no attempt to do so or even defend your own comments, just a half baked attempt at your over dramatic exit post.

          Reminds me of a bad cartoon murder when the person lays there kicking and saying how it’s all going black, but they don’t REALLY hand out Oscars for it.

        • #3237218

          Oz, pay no attention to that scarecrow behind the curtain.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Obviously I haven’t though

        • #3237207

          Ever hear of “formal debate”?

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to You got your wish

          I take issue with your assertion: “BTW, last time I checked a person’s opinion was neither right or wrong, it’s just an opinion.”

          Debate is a very old form of intellectual contest wherein opposing points of view (“opinions”) are argued by two different parties. Each party may be assigned either side of an issue by the referee, and it may be the case that both parties actually believe the point they are arguing, or that one or both believe the opposite view. The point of the exercise is to practice supporting a conclusion with fact, and to hone one’s capacity for reason. Some people even hold the “opinion” that people who fail to support their opinions with logical arguments are likely to have ulterior motives which motivate them to hide certain implicit premises of their “opinions” from scrutiny. I am one such person. While some opinions on some subjects (favorite flavor of ice cream) may be considered purely subjective, on matters of public interest, especially where the State’s power of COMPULSION is involved, failure to support any position with fact and logic is immediately suspect, and probably immoral. I do not consider that “just” a matter of opinion with which anybody may differ without basis.

          Here is another questionable assertion you make: “You pushed me out of the site”. Your opening post implies that you are choosing to leave. Is that not so? I believe Oz_Media’s question about Gremlins was facetious. Is that not so? Has anybody anywhere taken any measures to prevent you from posting?

          In general, your complaints seem to be about Oz_Media’s manners. Is that correct? If so, a more productive response might be to identify his point of view and request that he present it differently in the interests of civility. If you cannot do so, such failure is likely to be interpreted as concession to the claim that it is really not his manners that are objectionable to you, but his eloquence coupled with the fact that he disagrees with you.

        • #3242960

          Dude if you are going just go!

          by tomsal ·

          In reply to You got your wish

          My god, you are worse than my oldest brother — takes him 25 minutes to say good bye.

          You said your peace if you are going…just go!

          If you are staying just stay — either way…enough!

        • #3260357

          Ditto that!

          by cswearingen ·

          In reply to Dude if you are going just go!

          This is like driving by a car wreck. I couldn’t help but look.

          I’ve read the posts and cross-referenced the other posts involving these two.

          I gotta say I side with Oz. While he’s a bit of a blowhard sometimes at least he’s willing to admit when he’s erred or changed his opinion on something.

          IT_Lobo, you’re coming across as a whiny little kid. Your posts are not very articulate and very hypocritical.

          Like TomSal says, If you are staying just stay — either way…enough!

      • #3238013

        OK, I think I found it

        by puppybreath ·

        In reply to You letting yourself down ?

        Oz,
        In one one your posts to him, you wrote:

        “You gotta do better than that if you wish to make it here.”

        Obviously this has been interpreted to mean that you control all of the posts rather than explaining that any opinion worth stating should have facts to back it up.

        It’s scary to see and hear people constantly harping about their rights being violated when they don’t understand what those rights actually are.

        • #3238001
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          Or more importantly

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to OK, I think I found it

          Insisting that they have “Rights” and at the same time are unwilling to accept that along with those rights come responsibilities.

          I have a drivers license and there fore I have a right to drive but that doesn’t give me the right to break the road rules and do as I please run people down or whatever if I abuse my right to drive I’ll have it taken off me very quickly as I’ll being irresponsible.

          In this case however it appears to me that the complaining person appears to have the opinion that they are the only one with the right to post and when they express an opinion it must not be challenged under any circumstances because it is a volition of their “Rights” but are unable to understand that as an adult their rights are limited every day.

          If this person likes he has the right to stand outside the White House with his baggage and act as he pleases but by the same token the authorities have the right to ask him what he is doing and if he is uncooperative which again is his right the authorities have the right to suspect that he is up to no good and airest him blow up his baggage and then if nothing is found at the very least bring charges against him for loitering. He would of course have the right to defend himself in a Court of Law on this or allow a legal representative to defend him if he wanted this.

          Col ]:)

        • #3237201

          I think we’re dealing with a supporter of “King George Washington”

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Or more importantly

          Our first President, a war hero to the colonists, had wide support to be king. He kindly refused, but there are still a great many Americans who would like to vote Their Man into office, and live under a dictatorship of Their Beliefs. This wish is common among adherents to both varieties (“Democrat” & “Republican”) of our single Authoritarian political party, which has raised barriers to competition from other parties that would make Castro blush.

        • #3237070

          sniff, sniff…Mommy!! whaaaaaaa

          by 1ronman ·

          In reply to OK, I think I found it

          oh please grow up girl! oh, sorry.

        • #3237058
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          Careful you had better edit that post

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to sniff, sniff…Mommy!! whaaaaaaa

          Or you’ll find yourself in the “Sin Bin” with almost all the rest of the posters here and SMoRTy71 will be the one who is allowed to let us out so we all could have a bad influence upon you. 😀

          Col ]:)

        • #3260282

          Consider the source

          by mjd420nova ·

          In reply to OK, I think I found it

          If you’re leaving, go
          if you stay, okay
          I always allow others to have their say
          I always consider the source before I consider
          the content.

      • #3237242

        Well, Oz, you & I have crossed tongues more than once – alright guys, …

        by deepsand ·

        In reply to You letting yourself down ?

        that’s a figure a speech, and you know it, so let’s not be starting any untowards rumors – and neither of us has felt “violated,” so what’s his problem?

        Sound as though he thinks it his right to grant others the privilege to speak as he sees fit.

        Book’em Danno.

      • #3237011

        Reply To: I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

        by the admiral ·

        In reply to You letting yourself down ?

        In reading this, for the lack of a better term, “bitchfest”, I see that we are all in trouble if we, in technology can not learn how to spell or do proper grammar.

        I can see why technical people are put under the “Don’t matter what degree they have, they are highschoolers” category.

        I truely hope that this changes for the better.

        • #3237976

          In reading this….

          by frictionfree ·

          In reply to Reply To: I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

          “I see that we are all in trouble if we, in technology can not learn how to spell or do proper grammar.”
          uh…shouldn’t that read “use proper grammer?”:)

        • #3237936

          Um…

          by cactus pete ·

          In reply to In reading this….

          Only if he was talking about zip codes…

        • #3237839
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          Wont happen

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Reply To: I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

          It what working IT does to us all we no longer use English we type things like FDISK, IPCONFIG /RELEASE, DEFRAG and the list goes on and on just how are we supposed to remember English after all the Jargon that we need to learn. Like CPU, GPU, RAM, RD RAM, SDRAM and all the rest they mean something to us but very few others would understand just the Hell it is we talk about that is why we are left alone to rot in our dungeons.

          But think of it this way programmers are even worse so at least people like me who escaped Programing and just work with hardware now are that much closer to real people who still do not understand what I’m saying 99% of the time. Then you want to add grammar and punctuation into the mix I had to forget all of that when I was writing things in Fortran, Cobol & Pascal if you applied English there you where in a world of hurt and spent a very long time finding out where the mistake/s was. You very quickly unlearned anything English that you had ever learned. 🙂

          Just be thankful that you can understand what is typed phonetically as spelling is very low on out list of priorities as well. 😀

          Col ]:)

    • #3238139

      What should we have done?

      by smorty71 ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      While I am sorry to see you go. I’m curious what we should have done. You repeatedly said that we (TR) failed; however, you never gave one example of what you feel that we should have done.

      Unless there is something totally inappropriate (sexually-explicit, racist, etc.), we allow our members to police themselves. Everyone here is a grown-up and we treat you that way.

      We can’t (and won’t) go around making sure people’s feelings aren’t getting hurt or that their opinion is being challenged. Part of what makes this (and other) forum great is that you get a variety of opinions.

      Again, we hate to see you go. However, to be clear, we are definitely not failing you by allowing other people to express their opinion. That’s the whole point of this forum.

      sm

      • #3238129

        Nothing

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to What should we have done?

        Read the posts and it’s all put into perspective.

        She wants to be heard and not spoken to, that’s all.

        Can dish it out but can’t take it.

        EDIT: ‘HE’ sorry, I honestly thought Lobo was a girl from some other comment he made along the way.

      • #3238120

        Nothing Also

        by willcomp ·

        In reply to What should we have done?

        Damn, I hate to agree with Oz, but that’s the case.

        When discussions involve religion or politics, one has to expect strong, unyielding opinions. TR does not need to moderate discussions amongst adults, especially in areas where strong opinions are the rule. I’m sure most everyone has heard the old adage about opinions:

        Opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one and they all stink.

        So, I pretty much limit myself to the technical side and non-controversial stuff. I probably won’t change anyone else’s opinion and they probably won’t change mine.

        As Oz said, don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.

        Dalton

      • #3238119

        Neither your responsibility nor within your abilities.

        by deepsand ·

        In reply to What should we have done?

        Anyone who can’t stand the heat should get out of the kitchen.

      • #3238109

        Nothing you need to do

        by jellimonsta ·

        In reply to What should we have done?

        Unless you want to be the ‘thought police’ there is nothing you could have done in this instance. Although on a few of the issues debated by Lobo and Oz, I may have been more inclined to agree with Lobo, there is nothing Oz did that was ‘over the line’.
        I did mention I may have been ‘inclined’ to agree with Lobo on some of the issues. But Lobo has to realize that I could be the only one here who agrees with him, at the end of the day it does not matter at all.

      • #3238087

        I don’t think…

        by it_lobo ·

        In reply to What should we have done?

        .. you guys real care what goes on in the forums. You allow a Veteran of the US Army to have his freedom of speach infringed. If a Veteran can’t not state his opinion then what chance does anyone else have??

        You could have informed Oz that he was not allowing others to have an opinion different the his own. You guys allow Oz to run roughshot on the rest of the people on these forums. He continues to make backhanded comments tward me and insults, yet you guys allow it. Yes, you guys failed in letting one guys opinion mean more then anothers.

        • #3238082
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          Well if you would like to inform

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to I don’t think…

          Us all just how your “Freedom of Speech” was infringed I’ll for one be interested.

          Where you prevented from posting?

          Where any of your posts removed?

          What exactly prevented you from posting?

          How where you prevented from typing what you think?

          Who prevented you from submitting your own beliefs?

          And more importantly how did they prevent you from submitting them?

          While I’m personally against the Troops being in Iraq I do not ever blame the troops but their political masters who order them about so does me not agreeing with the Politicians in any way imped your freedom of speech?

          I’m curious as to how you think that you have been stooped from expressing your opinion and would love to know how to allow you to continue on without needing to blindly follow you without comment that you may not like.

          Col ]:)

        • #3238080

          That’s the point

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Well if you would like to inform

          This persons complaint isn’t valid to begin with. Stating constitutional rights and liberties that simply do not apply on a privately owned website anyway.

          As I said before, TR could edit, remove, or remove ID of any member it wants, at any time, and for no reason whatsoever.

          People keep going on about rights where they have no application.

          “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

          Well that means congress cannot enact a law that states IT_lobo is not allowd to post comments of a certain nature.

          Which to the best of my knowledge they haven’t recently done, that WOULD be a good thread! 😀

          IT-Lobo has been throwing his weight around and expecting others to not reciprocate with alternate facts/opinions that’s all. The old, “I can say whatever I want but you can’t” BS. Which included many flames which I did not reciprocate in my replies.

          Whatever, sorry to see someone go…..NEXT.

        • #3242991

          Agreed

          by awalt ·

          In reply to Well if you would like to inform

          I’ve got to agree. No one has prevented IT Lobo from posting or submmitting his opinion.

        • #3238079

          Let me get this straight

          by thechas ·

          In reply to I don’t think…

          Let me get this straight, in order for you to have your “freedom of speech” someone else’s freedom of speech must be restricted?

          Freedom of speech is a two way street. By voicing your opinion, you open the door for anyone who has a different opinion to voice their response to your opinion.

          Just how does Oz’s, or anyone else’s critique of your posts violate your “freedom of speech”?

          I know that Oz can be a bit acerbic with his posts. Still, Oz brings some valuable insight and / or incite to the threads he participates in.

          Provide links to a few posts where Oz has trampled over your rights.

          Not to be overly critical myself, but reading a couple of your posts in this thread, at a minimum you should take a little time and proof read your comments before submitting them.

          Anyhow, I am saddened to see any member leave the community. You have my best wishes.

          Chas

        • #3237998

          Insight or Incite

          by willcomp ·

          In reply to Let me get this straight

          Chas,

          Think you probably meant insight. However in Oz’s case, incite may also be appropriate.

          Dalton

        • #3237990
          Avatar photo

          Dalton

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Insight or Incite

          Chas and you appear to be some of the few who at one point or another have not disagreed with this guy so you are both lucky and will not being “Sin Binned” until you learn to behave and be nice and share the bucket and spade in the preschool sand pit. 😀

          Of course I’m one of those who has had the audacity to disagree with him so I’ll have to be away for a while until I learn to play nice again and just agree with everyone even if I don’t think the same as them.

          Hopefully because mine was a minor disagreement I’ll just be moved down the top 100 list and have it coded in as my site rating as 666 out of the top 100. I could live with that quite easily. 😀

          Col ]:)

        • #3237221

          You’ll Be Alright

          by willcomp ·

          In reply to Dalton

          Colin,

          Don’t worry, we won’t drum you out of TR.

          I can’t help it if I’m mostly a non-controversial poster. As I stated earlier, learned a long time ago that I likely won’t change anyone’s opinion nor will they change mine. I do have some very strong opinions and beliefs, just don’t often express them. Mellowed out in my old age.

          My typing is rather slow (have to look at keyboard), so prefer not to waste effort.

          Have a good day mate.

          Dalton

        • #3238070

          To quote Faith No More…

          by smorty71 ·

          In reply to I don’t think…

          “We care a lot!”

          If you’ve been paying attention over the past 6 months, you’ve seen a lot of new features designed to make this forum better.

          There is a team of people here at TR who are focused entirely on improving and growing our community.

          We are rolling out member blogs next week. These will allow members to post about *whatever* they want. Maybe you should give those a try.

          sm

        • #3238068

          What would be the point??

          by it_lobo ·

          In reply to To quote Faith No More…

          Oz would just go on there and tell me I am not posting the correct way according to HIS rules or my opinion is wrong and I am misinformed. Read his post, he has continuely stated I post in an incorrected way or my opinion is wrong according to him.

          Can you guarantee my opinion will be respected and someone will not attempt to censor it?? If Oz can make a respectful post tward me I would consider it, but I am sure he will say he has not done anything wrong.

          If I make a statement of fact and I am corrected that is fine, but when I state my OPINION and told I should not or that my opinion is wrong, then he is try to censor me. Go read his post and see for yourself. It is an opinion and I don’t have to explain why I have it.

          Until this “boys club” mentality ends, no new people will be able to have an opinion on TR. Him and his cronies tell new people how they should post, what they should post and sometimes if should post.

          You know that Oz has caused alot of problems on the site, but you never do anything about it. I wonder how many people left TR without making a post as I did. Hey, look at it this way, soon Oz will be the only one left.

        • #3238052

          one more time

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to What would be the point??

          PLEASE, just post a single example to make your point.

          I can say you are a large yellow slug and I don’t like it. But unless I can show that you are a large yellow slug, I don’t have too much of a point, do I?

        • #3237286

          Don’t be too sure about that!!! He displays all the intelligence of one.

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to one more time

          Obviously he doesn’t understand the concept of “Free Speach” and all it entails. I just peeked in to this out of curiosity and really couldn’t believe this guy’s post. On top of which he is whining about being a vet and should receive special considerations??? Get real you REMF. There are lots of people on TR who are vets and they take and give abuse with all the rest and they don’t run crying for mommy. Oz and I have had our go arounds and probably will again but neither one of us will drive the other away. That is the very nature of TR but if you can’t understand that or take it then perhaps you are better off running away. This is a place for adults not children. From what I’ve seen of Oz’s posts they’re mild in comparison to this one. So you REMFing little turd run home to mommy because you’ll get no sympathy here. Now you can consider yourself flamed.

          Dawg ]:)
          P.S. Oz why were you being so patient with him? My take on him is that he’s a high school poser. Who needs this crap?

        • #3237282

          Getting tired?

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Don’t be too sure about that!!! He displays all the intelligence of one.

          I dunno, I figured a LITTLE patience might help, but it didn’t.

          I figured a simple explanation of WHY posts are torn apart by not being substantiated properly might help, but again I was mistaken.

          Whatever, as for you and I going at it again, I think I am getting too old and tired of it all to even bother anymore. Plus we seem to have found a lot more middle ground now, as with most of these online battle end up. Guys can usually go toe to toe and then go buy each other drinks afterwards.
          Obviously not all of us though, as IT_’Loco’ has proven.

          Addendum/afterthought:

          Maybe it was just the avatar that screamed out, and you know how I feel about that. I respect all military, they have a right to the utmost respect and pride in what they do.

          Don’t wave your stripes under my nose though, it’s like those techs that feel a need to add an alphabet after thier alias, as if it further qualifies thier opinions.

          Anyway, first post at Hastings in half an hour, gotta get some ‘cappin done.

          Cheers!
          OM

        • #3237194

          Oz_Media, I KNEW it, you ARE a large yellow slug!

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to one more time

          1
          Large yellow slugs eat vegetables from the garden.
          Oz_Media eats vegetables from the garden.
          2
          Slugs do not have wings.
          Oz_Media does not have wings.
          3
          Slugs dislike salt.
          Oz_Media dislikes salt (I am completely inventing this, I have no idea what is Oz_Media’s opinion of salt!)

          Conclusion: Oz_Media IS a large yellow slug!

          Hee-hee, rotflmao, I’m so funny I’m jealous of myself!

        • #3237191

          Hmmm

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Oz_Media, I KNEW it, you ARE a large yellow slug!

          I think TR should do a better job of not allowing people like you to talk about me like that.

          You are imposing on my right to be a human by insinuating I am a slug. How dare you squash my right to say whatever I want without repercussions!

          TR needs to pick up thier act and get it together, I’m staying for sure now!

        • #3238005

          No guarantees

          by smorty71 ·

          In reply to What would be the point??

          Your opinion is no more important than anyone else’s opinion here. And your opinion will (and should) be challenged if someone else has a different point of view. It’s a *discussion* forum after all. That’s what happens.

          I only suggested starting a blog because you seem to be interested in having a place where only your opinion counts. Could Oz post there? Sure. But the idea of a blog is more like a personal journal. Maybe it could be titled “TR failed!!!” 🙂

          You can’t complain about freedom of speech and then turn around and ask us to limit someone else’s. That doesn’t make any sense.

          On this site, as in life, you may encounter people that you don’t like. It is up to you (not TR) to figure out how you want to deal with them.

        • #3237999

          Well Said

          by willcomp ·

          In reply to No guarantees

          Title says it all.

          Dalton

        • #3237996

          Couldn’t have said it better

          by thechas ·

          In reply to No guarantees

          sMoRTy,

          I could not have said it better myself.

          Keep up the good work on the site.

          Chas

        • #3237230

          I’m a Vet too. Where do I sign up for my special privileges?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to No guarantees

          This seems to be another case, & I’ve dealt with far too many of them for my pleasure, who hold that being a Veteran of the Armed Forces someone confers such with privileges not enjoyed by others, particularly with respect to matters of judgement regarding patriotism & public speech, to the extent that such defend [i]limiting[/i] the rights of others.

        • #3237138
          Avatar photo

          Sandy what happened?

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to I’m a Vet too. Where do I sign up for my special privileges?

          You’re showing as number 1 in the top 100 is that the “Special Treatment” that you are asking for? 😉

          If it is where do I sign up? But I want 666 as my site rating! 😀

          God no typos either. Whoops wrong thread. 🙁

          Col ]:)

        • #3243036

          Special Veteran Benefits

          by bfilmfan ·

          In reply to I’m a Vet too. Where do I sign up for my special privileges?

          Does this plan award veterans with a free redhead and a bottle of tequilla? Sign me up immediately if it does!

          And as another veteran, I’ve noticed that a number of folks seem to have a lack of uderstanding that the defense of liberty means the defense of speech you find reprehensible.

          And my understanding of patriotism is doing what is best for the country and it’s citizens. Sometimes that means you have to sit on the sidelines and keep your mouth shut and watch. Sometimes that means you can show up with your 55 gallons of whoop a$$ and apply as needed.

          Wisdom is knowing which action is the correct course of action.

        • #3243026

          Free redhead

          by cactus pete ·

          In reply to I’m a Vet too. Where do I sign up for my special privileges?

          Might be named Carrot Top… Careful what you wish for…

        • #3242983

          You bugger!

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to I’m a Vet too. Where do I sign up for my special privileges?

          After reading BFilm’s post, I was gonna post;
          “Be careful what you wish for. This constant want of a redhead and a bottle of tequilla might have a drunken Carrot Top turning up at your door one Friday night.”

          You read my mind. 🙂

        • #3242909

          Uh, crap

          by cactus pete ·

          In reply to I’m a Vet too. Where do I sign up for my special privileges?

          I might be sick…

          😉

        • #3242898

          Just be careful

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to I’m a Vet too. Where do I sign up for my special privileges?

          There’s some dangerous thoughts swirling about in there. Making my comments shared here seem very timid and introverted. People I know get a much harder time than poeople on the internet.

        • #3242881

          Whatever your orientation

          by cactus pete ·

          In reply to I’m a Vet too. Where do I sign up for my special privileges?

          Carrottop might be a poor freebie.

        • #3242875

          But

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to I’m a Vet too. Where do I sign up for my special privileges?

          IT would be a laff anyway! Just need enough tequilla to put up with the bag of stupid prop jokes.

        • #3237765

          Just got mine.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to I’m a Vet too. Where do I sign up for my special privileges?

          My mate for the night agreed to remove both of her artificial legs.

        • #3237239

          So, you would ban dissent?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to What would be the point??

          And, yes, opinions do need to be substantiated if you expect others to give consider them; if not, then your stating them is of no value to anyone but yourself, and are not a subject for public discourse.

        • #3242851

          Respect

          by jessie ·

          In reply to What would be the point??

          Respect cannot be demanded, or guaranteed. It must be earned.

          There are several members on this site with whom I have VASTLY differing opinions, on a LARGE spectrum of issues, and yet, I respect them. Why? Because their own opinions are well thought out, well researched, and backed up with the reasons they hold these opinions.

          And… they don’t whine about someone disagreeing with their opinions and call it censorship.

          Certain of the individuals for whom I have the utmost respect have been those individuals, when I post on a discussion, who have told me to do my own research and STFU until I know what I’m talking about. This is perfectly within their rights.

          Did it “ruffle my feathers?” Yes. For a few minutes, until I had time to think about it, and decide to get off my wide-end and do my own research. Sometimes that research led me to their side, and sometimes, it just made me better informed as to the reasons my own points were valid.

          If you want the members of TR to respect you, then stop whining and earn it.

        • #3237240

          As one Vet to another, I tell you that you have no complaint.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to I don’t think…

          Your freedom to express your views has in no way been suppressed.

          If you think dissent unseemly, then you’ve a very narrow view of the tradition of “free speech.”

        • #3237198

          What the hell?

          by husp1 ·

          In reply to I don’t think…

          I beg your pardon but I too am a Vet. and even tho OZ has a large following on this site I have found him to be informative and at times mentaly stimulating. as to you I am highly dissapointed in the training that you must have received in the service. they missed the part about deversification in there somewhere. allow me to compleat that part for you. When you are involved in a discussion with people from various parts of the globe the opinions that they form are going to be as varied as their location, this is due to the way the facts are percieved. those facts that effect them directly tend to be the ones they feel strongly about. you must learn to accept the opinons as well as the people. gleam the information that is important, express the facts that you feel were left out and then ALLOW others to Express theirs without surpressing the fact that their opinon is as valid as yours. only then will you succeed!!!

        • #3237197

          I can believe that…

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to I don’t think…

          you don’t think, IT_Lobo! A quick analysis of your post “I don’t think…” reveals 9 errors of elementary-school grammar and spelling. As contemplating your evasions of logic and omissions of fact has already become tiresome, please consider the following cut & paste of that post, with my corrections and helpful hints to you for getting it right the next time. I also request that you consider this anecdotal evidence that your sloppy use of the basics of language conveys the impression that accuracy is unimportant to you. Now here are some of your errors:

          (“I don’t think…”)”.. you guys real[ly] care what goes on in the forums. You allow a Veteran of the US Army to have his freedom of speach [speech] infringed. If a Veteran can’t not [cannot or can’t, “can’t not” is an incorrect “double negative”] state his opinion then what chance does anyone else have??

          You could have informed Oz that he was not allowing others to have an opinion different the [than] his own. You guys allow Oz to run roughshot [roughshod, a reference to shoes in disrepair, not to ammunition for a firearm] on the rest of the people on these forums. He continues to make backhanded comments tward [toward] me and insults, yet you guys allow it. Yes, you guys failed in letting one guys [guy’s] opinion mean more then [than] anothers [another’s].”

          Actually, an eloquent expression of opinion is more important than one so riddled with error, and it is your responsibility to represent yours better if you wish it to be taken seriously IT_Lobo.

        • #3236013

          Strange sentiment

          by j.lupo ·

          In reply to I don’t think…

          I may not always know what Oz is talking about in regards to my own postings, but I don’t feel threatened or overwhelmed by them. If I don’t agree or choose to move on to another topic I do that.

          I think it is part of adulthood. We choose our battles and our points of view. I express mine as does everyone here at TR. In fact, TR admins have been very involved in many discussions.

          Discussion forums are to discuss. If your feelings are getting hurt or you feel that you can’t get your point out, then you need to look within yourself.

          When I started getting active on TR, someone politely recommended I not take myself or the posts too seriously. I followed that advise. I post what I think about topics that have meaning to me, or I think I might be able to give someone another perspective.

          I joke with others from time to time. This is a place to share thoughts, ideas, knowledge, and humor. Peace be with you and your decisions.

      • #3238077

        Nothing

        by thechas ·

        In reply to What should we have done?

        sMoRTy,

        I took a little time and read over some of the banter between Oz and lobo in the Army recruiter thread.

        As I see it, Oz was being Oz, and even a bit tamer than I would have expected.

        IT Lobo on the other hand does seem to have a problem with any opinion that differs from his own where it comes to the US Military.

        I don’t see any post that I would consider an impingement of either partys rights or responsibilities.

        IT Lobo has a right to his opinion. However, he has no right or grounds to limit the response that Oz (and others) have posted to his opinions.

        Chas

      • #3236976

        Banned him from the site!

        by wordworker ·

        In reply to What should we have done?

        I kid. Oz considers himself the resident bully of the forums – being unnecessarily mean to newbies who post tech questions under discussions, for one example. But his tirades can sometimes be amusing. I agree with other posts who say stick it out and fight the bully, because if you run away, he wins and you lose.

        • #3242977

          Not really

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Banned him from the site!

          I started here making small comments basedon person al feelings and opinions. I was shot, p***ed on and thrown to the wolves several times for not supporting my claims with fact. The LEFTY DMEOCRATIC, LIBERAL, CONSERVATIVE, Anti-Bush, Anti-American, Terrorist that I am.

          I was shown that throwing out idle ideas was not acceptable and this was beat into me until I complied.

          If you actually READ the thread with IT_Lobo, I was actually very timid until provoked further and flamed for my comments.

          As for new people who post in teh wrong forum, I am the first to offer a FEW tidbits of advice, while POLITELY steering them to Tech Q&A, often providing a link and a Good Luck along with it.

          SOMETIMES, when you mention this to someone, they get all wound up, most of the time they wil say thank you for steering me and then repost in Tech Q&A, where I WILL take time to help them find answers.

          SO I think your post is juts a wee bit generlized based on a few posts and not the norm.

          As for being a bully, if that’s what sticking up for your opinion and enforcing your beliefs is called, then so be it. Certainly wouldn’t want to be tagged as a conformist, that’s for sure.

          In this case nobody wins or loses at all, IT-Lobo actually finished off by offering complete agreement to my post and turning his viewpoint away to be focused on the troops, saying I do not support them, which is complete hogwash, anyone knows I support the troops. I was also told that this ISN’T a political war at all, it is the SOLDIERS ?!?

          Of course it’s a political war, soldiers don’t make thier own decision to go and fight another country.

          I suport the soldiers, I do NOT support the war.
          This is very hard for some people to stomache, that’s all.

      • #3243015

        Nothing

        by montgomery gator ·

        In reply to What should we have done?

        In addition, it is subjective as to what is “sexually-explicit, racist, etc”. In another thread, I put people to task (in a tongue-in-cheek manner to see if anyone would fall for it) for using the term “cracker”, since it is also used as a racial slur against white Americans from the Deep South, and was the moral equivalent of using the “n-word”. So, how are you going to determine what is racist or sexually explicit and what is not? Would it be considered sexually explicit to refer to male and female connectors? It is TR’s website to censor as TR wishes, but some censoring seems rather subjective to me, and in the “eye of the beholder”.

        http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=89&threadID=172584&messageID=1757534

      • #3338931

        You should have run a tech site.

        by bucky kaufman (mcsd) ·

        In reply to What should we have done?

        re:
        You repeatedly said that we (TR) failed; however, you never gave one example of what you feel that we should have done.
        —– —– —– —– —– —–

        You could have run this like a tech site instead of letting it turn into a free-for-all. “Tech-Republic” kind of implies some sort of structured, technological organization.

        There’s about 5 of us here in Dallas who bailed on TR for the same reason – OZ, Phantom and a few others *furiously* attacking folks.

        Several months ago I was talking to some folks in a shop across town about TR’s unwillingness to moderate their own forums. They just laughed, looked down their nose and said “What did you expect from those guys?”.

        Clearly – TR’s reputation is getting around.

        There’s a good side to this, though. It’s useful to reference TR’s forums to clients who want to set up their own discussion forums. It shows that all the technology in the world ain’t worth squat if it’s not managed.

        I only dropped by this time to cancel my subscriptions to most of your newsletters. I’ll probably keep one – but I used to subscribe to all of them.

        Vaya con Dios.

        • #3338897

          What a Hypocrite !

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to You should have run a tech site.

          .
          And this is coming from someone who I have seen to be one of the most diligent and persistent attack dog on non-technical issues.

          What a friggin’ jerk.

        • #3338895

          Thx Max

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to What a Hypocrite !

          I don’t even really remember Bucky Kauffman, but I do remember the name vaguely. So he must have really left an impact on me, I obviously have left one on him, somehow.

          To say some guys down the road laughed down thier noses, I mean c’mon, who’s that petty?

          OOOOOHHHHH, the reputation that free speech and adult debate [i](I didn’t say intellectual, but adult)[/i] is running rampant! Nobody is even censoring the posts or making sure everyone has their say without someone arguing with them!

          Get a life….

        • #3338884

          A few links – Could have been a lot more

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Thx Max

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=7&threadID=170941&messageID=1750330

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=156599&messageID=1637725

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=156599&messageID=1637728

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=156599&messageID=1636627

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=164704&messageID=1686424

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163858&messageID=1680268

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163858&messageID=1679767

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163916&messageID=1680358

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163536&messageID=1677289

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163536&messageID=1677860

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163536&messageID=1677767

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163536&messageID=1677149

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163536&messageID=1677873

          He even starts his own “off-topic” political rants:

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163858&messageID=1679280

          And another one:

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163476&messageID=1676532

          I could go on and on and on…….but this is getting old

        • #3236279

          The funny part

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to A few links – Could have been a lot more

          As you know, I take a SIMILAR stand on many issues, perhaps not with such vengeful bias behind them though. We (bucky and I )seem to agree on issues, though for different reasons. I seem to remember him being quite radical though, as the links you provided prove also.

          I don’t think I was the one who attacked him tough, as he so claims I have squelched his speech, obviously not by the number of posts he’s shared either.

          BUT, I do seem to remember someone pointing out other comments he’d made when I did agree on an issue and it showed him for the radical wing nut he is.

          i understand that it’s because your country is full of guys like this that I am often taken as way too left, for what I really meant.

          When I make a simple comment and peole start throwing completely irrlevant lefty BS at me, it is due to guys like this representing ‘the other side’ in the US. Yet this is not how I really feel at all in fact, as you know, for a Canadian I am pretty much right wing, but too easily lumped into your extreme left in such situations because I oppose certain issues leading into the Iraqi invasion, not war as a whole.

          This guy doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about in this case.

        • #3338890

          Check out the Evolution Lie thread.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to You should have run a tech site.

          You will see that in discussions, like in species evolution, the strong survive! Bucky, technology has no place for wimps.

          To address
          “re:
          You repeatedly said that we (TR) failed; however, you never gave one example of what you feel that we should have done.”

          Check out the Technical Q&A some time. There are lots of topics, and if the word Miscellaneous isn’t clear enough for you, think of it as the “non-technical” topic. Then stay away, because obviously you lack the onions for this arena!

        • #3236392
          Avatar photo

          So lets get this right!

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to You should have run a tech site.

          TR has failed repeatedly and consonantly as you say. OK I can see that as they do not moderate their off topic discussions or censor most of us anyway. Just how is this bad?

          If you want a technical site you are welcome to play on the Technical discussions but for some reason you seem unwilling to do this and want to complain about the water cooler area that goes under the name of Miscellaneous.

          I bet you one of those types who goes crying to their boss when someone doesn’t totally agree with everything you say not related to technical issues aren’t you? In that case you do not qualify as even a “WIMP” as you would be giving wimps a bad name.

          Yes OZ is a BAD BAD BAD Little Boy does that make you happy? Maxwell is just as BAD and I’m even worse but for some strange reason we all contribute to other topics and discussions and help each other out when required and I do not think that there is one person on this site that would call Maxwell and myself best buddies but more likely the exact opposite.

          But hey guess what we can live with each other and live happily without any problems. Being an adult which seems to be something that is currently escaping you at the moment is all about differences and learning to live in a society where not everyone agrees with what you believe. That is how progress is made and is exactly what is responsible for you working in IT.

          Lets cast our minds back quite a few years when a company called Texas Instruments approached another semi conductor maker called Intel to make them a Integrated Circuit now if management of Intel had of got their way Texas Instruments would have paid for the development of that chip and owned the rights to it as well but because of an ADULT disagreement Intel developed that IC and went on to produce the very first Silicon CPU in commercial numbers. But if we had it your way it would never have been developed and we would all still be using tubes as transistors as everyone agreed back in the 1930’s that they made the best transistors and there was then no such thing as commercial Silicon so it would never have been developed WOULD THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY?

          Sure if everyone just agreed with each other it would be a far more peaceful place as there would be no such thing as WAR but it is armed conflict that drives development of technology so without armed conflict we would not have the need to develop new things or taken to the extreme we would not need to develop any new technology at all that was not necessary for the growing and hunting of food.

          Now personally I can see no valid reason for having ICBMs or for that matter even cruise missiles as they do not provide food in the amounts necessary to to justify the energy and materials expended for their production so why do we need them?

          You may be quite happy to roll around in the mud and cower from an ellipse in terror but thank you very much that isn’t for me and I would hazard a guess that most other people would think this way as well. If you want that you are welcome to go live that life and kick out anyone who doesn’t completely agree with your ideas like the Amish or even better do not accept any developments that where a direct result of a need to defend or conquers ones enemies. You are welcome to go back to the stone age and try hitting rocks together if you want you can ignore the wheel and whatever else it is that you personally do not like but you have absolutely no right to force your ideas onto others and this is exactly what you are attempting to do.

          Your above post is the worst form of Hypocrisy that I’ve ever been unfortunate enough to ever see. While you are crying foul and demanding your rights you at the same time are demanding the withdrawal of others rights but for some reason you fail to see this.

          So Bucky boy I hope you take your “Moped Chopper Sliding Downhill” cover it with lubricant and shove it where the sun dont shine if you need any help to perform this feat I’ll be more than happy to help you do it!

          Col ]:)

          Max and OZ sorry for involving you two in my response to this person. 😉 Or whatever it is.

        • #3236336

          That’s okay by me, best buddy

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to So lets get this right!

          The title is my reply to your comment, “Max and OZ sorry for involving you two in my response to this person”.

        • #3260329

          Don’t let the door hit you in the *ss on your way out.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to You should have run a tech site.

          Perhaps you can get employment with the PC Police.

        • #3260276

          Did somebody call?

          by information_super-highway_patrol ·

          In reply to Don’t let the door hit you in the *ss on your way out.

          Did you call the police? The PC Police? Never mind. That’s not me. Bucky should be arrested for indecently exposing himself as an ass.

        • #3239290

          It’s good that jennyn isn’t here.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Did somebody call?

          She’d be screaming for the MODERATOR, like she’s done elsewhere.

        • #3239192

          I’m going to tell her you said that!

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to It’s good that jennyn isn’t here.

          🙂

        • #3235745

          Go for it.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to I’m going to tell her you said that!

          Maybe [i]you[/i] can score.

    • #3238124

      We all take our lumps here, and move on.

      by deepsand ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      God knows that there are plenty here who have taken issue with some of my positions, or the manner in which I’ve expressed myself, etc., including Oz.

      The same happens in all personal interactions, not just on the net; it’s an unvoidable fact of life.

      No one has a right to be free of criticism; and, TR has neither the right nor the obligation to attempt to be the guarantor of such.

      Your expectation that you should be free of that which we cannot avoid is unrealistic.

      • #3237050

        No foolin’

        by dmambo ·

        In reply to We all take our lumps here, and move on.

        How can someone belly ache about their right to free speech being violated by an individual, and then call for censorship by the organization. Sounds like IT_Lobo want to be more equal than the rest of us.

        • #3237877

          Well, he is, after all, a Veteran, which means …

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to No foolin’

          that he gets to be the arbiter of that which is patriotically acceptable.

          He seems to think that those who defend our rights also get to define them.

          He’s obviously very confused.

        • #3237795

          he loves animals!

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Well, he is, after all, a Veteran, which means …

          “Girl, don’t go away mad…Girl, just go away!”

        • #3237791

          Don’t you DARE!

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to he loves animals!

          No GNR allowed, please.

          I think that should be a enw forum rule actually. 🙂

        • #3237754

          How about INXS?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Don’t you DARE!

          Just saw a commercial on TV last night for the next “big reality” show, the winner of which will become the new lead vocalist for INXS.

          500 channels, and there’s still nothin’ on.

        • #3237751

          Don’t like the idea

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to How about INXS?

          But I don’t mind the old INXS, those were a great couple of summers.

          I was touring then and we played INXS, PetShop Boys, Duran Duran, Tears for Fears etc. after shows in these big outdoor football stadiums in Eastern Europe and South America, it was really neat actually, you just need a break from metal sometimes.

          Good memories to that band that’s for sure.

        • #3238832

          Well, given the scandels re. American Idol, …

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to How about INXS?

          it will probably be a f*cking smash.

          Where’s Elvis when we need him?

        • #3237746

          I’m pretty sure it wasn’t

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Don’t you DARE!

          I think it was the atrocity known (surprisingly appropriately) as “Poison”. Might have been “Motley Crew”, which I refuse to misspell, but I think it was really “Poison”.

          Anyway, I will promise to quote from the very little I know of hair-band rock only when taunting, OK?

        • #3237717

          OMG you’re right

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to I’m pretty sure it wasn’t

          It was Motley Crue wasn’t it. It was one of Vince’s whiny ballads! That’s why I thought of Nasal Rose first. But it was definitely Motley Crue.

          It was from Dr.Feelgood, when MC was looking at the big downward slide ahead of them, with only a couple of tracks selling well. It was thier ‘jump the shark’ CD and it didn’t make it over the shark.

          After that Decade of Decadence was a complete failure in comparisson to other work and Crue made a fast exit from the limelight. Vince bought some fishnets and a new hair dryer and went solo. (did you SEE that crap, with Vince Neil running around barefoot on stage with black fishnets and a blouse on?)

        • #3236759

          WAIT WAIT WAIT

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to I’m pretty sure it wasn’t

          it was Vince when he went solo!

          Doh!

        • #3236754

          No JD they were still Crue

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to I’m pretty sure it wasn’t

          The fishnet spandex and barefoot stage pitter patter to a REALLY weak song and even weaker band was Vince solo.

          Don’t Go Away Mad (Just go away) was form Dr. Feelgood

          But at least you said Crue and not Crew.
          Even though they are really quite a motley crew.

        • #3236760

          That wasn’t GNR stooge!

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Don’t you DARE!

          try Crue! Motley to you.

          Standing too long?

        • #3236755

          Read the rest of the posts

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to That wasn’t GNR stooge!

          NT

    • #3238003

      Wow

      by maecuff ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      You need thicker skin. Your life will be much easier if you learn to let things go. Oz can be harsh, but no worse than many other people here. Why do you care what he thinks of your opinions? Or really, care what ANYONE thinks, especially in a forum like this?? Take what you want from it and disregard what you don’t like. Your post seems a bit silly, kinda like a kid getting mad, taking his ball and going home.

      Oz, quit being so mean, or you’ll have to have a time out. 🙂

      • #3237285

        I seriously suspect you are closer to the truth than you realize.

        by sleepin’dawg ·

        In reply to Wow

        Perhaps a high school kid posing as an adult??? Hmmmmm??? Possible??? Does it really matter?? Stick a fork in him he’s done.

        Dawg ]:)

      • #3237231

        or…

        by black panther ·

        In reply to Wow

        I’ll take my cricket bat and go home!

    • #3237991
      Avatar photo

      Well I’ve just gone through every posting you

      by hal 9000 ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      Have ever made and guess what here is a list of people who didn’t agree with you.

      Maxwell Bad Boy Maxwell!
      IT Girl
      Lee Burry
      ADZIP2000
      Deep Sand Naughty Sandy!
      Jdclyde
      Tom Sal Being naughty again Tom?
      James Lin Nasty boy James!
      NeilB Well he is a POM so what can you expect?
      Synthetic
      Me Of course I’m a bad bad boy 🙁
      and OZ but mostly in the “How Far will the Army Go” thread and you have had your fair number of shots at OZ as well which doesn’t seem important to you at all.

      In the thread that OZ started called “Stuff We Won” you have responded and OZ didn’t even come close to responding to your post so I’m a bit at a loss to understand how your claim that he is always hounding you stands up as the only real comments have been in the “How Far Will the Army Go” thread.

      Now if you seem to think that anyone who doesn’t totally agree with you on every aspect of what you have posted is violating your freedom of speech if they where prevented at your request by TR from posting against you wouldn’t you be violating their freedom of speech?

      SMoRTy71 how about revoking everyone on this lists TR privileges for a few days? They obviously need to cool down so put them all in the “Sin Bin” to allow them to cool down and only allow them back when they will play nice with each other and share the bucket and spade again. 😀

      You already know that I need the time off for all that legal work I’ve got coming. 🙂

      Or you can move them down the list of the top 100 contributers to TR I’ll settle for having it hard coded to having a site rating of 666 I’m sure you could do it easily. :p

      And of course Salamder thanked IT Lobo twice so she should be moved up the list by at least 25 places. 😉

      Or even better you could stipulate that all of those involved in the above list answer at least 25 questions in the T Q & A section correctly and be awarded the points before they are allowed back in the discussion area and make sure they are the hard ones like “My computers don’t network why?” 😉

      Col ]:)

      • #3237298

        SIn Bin

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Well I’ve just gone through every posting you

        I like it, don’t care for the waiting for 25 questions to be closed though. May as well just revoke the users access permanently, you know how long it takes to get 25 people to actually follow the simple courtesy of closing questions in Tech Q&A?

        I’ll take the lashings right up front and get on with it, thank you.

        • #3237297
          Avatar photo

          You’re welcome OZ

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to SIn Bin

          But I still get the 666 as I got in first. :p

          The whole idea of getting 25 correct answers is just that it will not happen in a short time as most people don’t close off the questions or even better close them off with a solution but don’t award the points. 😀

          You’ve got to love trying to help some people don’t you? 😉

          Col ]:)

      • #3243018

        Missed a few

        by cactus pete ·

        In reply to Well I’ve just gone through every posting you

        Hmm, that’s an understatement.

        Oz’s first months were riddled with everyone slapping him silly. Col, I think you had it pretty rought for a few months, too. But I personally don’t recall either of you complaining that others should be muted…

        Thanks, guys. TR, thanks for being level-headed – even if you do let the riffraff in.

        • #3242974

          you remember that?

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Missed a few

          I put stuff like that behind me pretty easily, but i do remember taking quite a flogging when I came here, about what and from who I forget but I know I took more than my share of shots, until I learned to post ‘up to standard’ by offering proof of my conclusions.

          But you’re right, nobody has been censored, nobody has lost anay rights (if that’s even possible here).

        • #3237819
          Avatar photo

          Yes come to think of it

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Missed a few

          It was an interesting time at first wasn’t it? 😉

          But it certainly wasn’t boring and a real eye opener at the time if I remember correctly the very first post was something about No I can no longer remember but I can remember asking who got to chose and that brought a tirade of responses all not to happy that I dared to ask the {What I thought an Obvious Question.} 😀

          But that was then and this is now who cares? 🙂

          Col ]:)

        • #3237655

          I remember..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Missed a few

          One of my very first posts here, I can’t recall the topic and I don’t know what my reply was, all I remember is Oz telling me that I either didn’t know what I was doing, or didn’t know what I was talking about. I have forgiven him because even though I can’t remember the exact topic, I’m sure he was horribly wrong… 🙂

    • #3237295

      Had enough of yo’ bellyachin’, Lobo!

      by Shawn Morton ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      OK, Lobo, I’ve stayed quiet long enough. But, I can’t listen to you trash this site any longer.

      I, too, was in the military. In fact, I was accused of a crime I didn’t commit and had to live life on the run for several years between 1983 and 1987.

      Did I use that nonsense as an excuse to get a bad attitude? No I didn’t! I stayed positive and tried to help others do the same.

      Maybe you should check out my 1984 video “Be Somebody or Be Someboy’s Fool.”

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086944/

      • #3237293
        Avatar photo

        Best watch out or you’ll

        by hal 9000 ·

        In reply to Had enough of yo’ bellyachin’, Lobo!

        Be added to the list of us who are being Sin Binned. 😀

        Col ]:)

        • #3237283

          Got any room for me in there???

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to Best watch out or you’ll

          Hey isn’t it Monday where you are??? Does the Mouse Queen know you are screwing around on TR and not earning any bread and/or fixing her Merc.

          Dawg :^O

        • #3237135
          Avatar photo

          Well actually Dawg

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Got any room for me in there???

          Yes it was/is Monday when I posted that but somewhere around 2.00 AM so I’m on my own time and I’m not allowed to play with cars after dark as I might drop another one on myself in an attempt to kill my Boss. 😀

          Actually you might find this hard to believe but I was given a job by “She Who Must Be Obeyed” and was doing it on another computer while I was playing on this one supervising what the other one was doing so actually I was doing as I was told! 🙁

          Col ]:)

    • #3237294
      Avatar photo

      Just think on this for a while

      by hal 9000 ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.

      If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

      Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let not this blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.

      Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

      Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.

      Strive to be happy.

      — Max Ehrmann, 1927

      Now if you think on the above even for a short time you’ll realize that it is up to you to find your own place in this world and you do not need to defend yourself but at the same time you do not need to project your own belief systems onto others and expect them to blindly follow without question or for that matter even accept them at all.

      Personally I do believe our troops need all the support that we can give them but at the same time I know that they are bing given the rough end of the pineapple once again by the very people who put them in Harms Way and should be looking after them at every opportunity instead of treating them all as disposable assets which are easily replaced.

      But if I was to answer the question that you have wet yourself over I would say this to “How far wall the army go” as far as the tank of fuel that they have got and no more as there will be no resupply. But as long as recruiters get paid on a reward system by each head that they bring in you’ll constantly see things like this happen.

      If you look at the movie “The Last Star fighter” exactly the same thing happened there as well a population that should never have been involved in the fight but would have been destroyed anyway supplied the Star Fighter who defeated the invading hordes and saved the place but the person responsible was paid on a per head basis and bent the rules. When this is allowed or even encouraged it is an open opportunity for people to bend/break the rules just to get the numbers or in this case Bums on seats on the buss to boot camp.

      Col ]:)

      • #3237291

        The automotive twist

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Just think on this for a while

        WHile not as eloquently said as Max Ehrmann, one reason I left full time auto was due to them placing mechanics on a bonus system.

        They added incentives for mechanics to sell rmoe parts to get a bigger bonus, which is actually illegal under Union regs.

        So a mechanic would once over a truck and write up a huge repair order for the service manager, full of unneccesary parts. Not exactly why I went to school at all, which was in part due to my dislike of an industry known for ripping people off. NO way I’m gonna pay thise bills when I don’t have to.

        So even in an industry tagged as a SERVICE, the same push for production is there, it reduces quality too because you are still urged to get it all done in less time even with mroe parts.

        I’d rather give someone a deal and reap the rewards of a favour down the road for a job well done. I’d live my life by the barter system if I could. Don’t know if you ever got the TV show Good Neighbours there, but it’s based on the same principal, a riot of a comedy.

        • #3236843

          Bartering

          by jessie ·

          In reply to The automotive twist

          I’d live by the barter system as well, if I could. The website http://www.freecycle.org is a great thing. They’ve got groups all over the place. You offer up whatever you don’t want anymore, for free, and ask for what you need, also for free.

          I’m not sure how it happened that so many businesses got away from the idea that providing a quality service will get you more long term money than will fleecing your customers.

    • #3237259

      Well this is it

      by it_lobo ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      My last post.

      Like Stress said “The group of active posters is very small.” Why do you think that is? Evertime someone has a different opinion then Oz he attacks you. Why, I think to feed his ego. Alot of you guys know that Oz is aggressive and overly assertive, yet you cheer him on. New people to the site are unable to post their opinions because it does not match Oz’s. How many people are going to have to leave TR because of Oz in order for someone to see there is a problem.

      I see alot of you guys are taking cheap shots at me. You feel it necessary to call me names: turd fucking REMF, girlie, asshole, poser and more. I applaud you. Is this in the TR rules? Does it matter; the rules don’t apply to everyone.

      At no time did I ask for Oz’s freedom of speech to be infringed upon. All I was asking for is an opportunity to state mine with out being belittle and attacked. Was that so much to ask?? NO!!! Every time I would post something, Oz would have to misinterpret the meaning and attack me based on what he thought was typed. Please go read what I wrote and then read what Oz wrote in response. Most of the time he twisted my words to pick a fight I never intended to have.

      Now I am being pushed out of TR. This action does not put TR in a good light. We have all tarnished TR’s name and that was never the intent. I don’t understand how you can allow one man’s opinion to count more then anyone else?s. I don’t think that at any point TR could have stepped in and solved the problem, but they choose to ignore it and allow it to explode.

      I would hope that I could put this behind me and stay a member of TR, but you guys have made it clear that I am not welcome. Not welcome for having a different point of view. It is a sad day for the tech community in general.

      Good bye.

      • #3237252

        Have a nice day and thank you for your participation

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Well this is it

        Firstly, I participate in VERY FEW subjects of discussion. Mostly miscellaneous and a FEW other topics, but as I am not an MCSE, most discussions don’t interest me. SO new people posting here for tech advice don’t ear from me at all. There are some forums here where I have read through and not recognized a single alias, yet they have been here for several years.

        Secondly, I am VERY supportive of new members and am more than happy to help in Tech Q&A and I offer fair advice when asked, without flaming or tormenting anyone.

        When it comes to politics, it gets a little more heated around here and as others say, if you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

        TR is a Technical Support Site, please find a few examples before you leave to show everyone just how I don’t let people speak thier mind on such issues. I will debate my point, but I am also able to accept someone else’s point. The issue in your case is that you make absurd assertions with no factual premise at all, and then expect people to just eat it all up and praise you for sharing your valid opinion. Bit when they offer counter points to show THIER opnion, you say it is squashing your right to free speech, again, you need to read up on your Constitution, you seem to not fully understand how and where such rights apply, and it definitely isn’t here.

        Other than that, you just want to have your say and nobody is allowed to critique your comments.

        So I am sure THIS will be your last post,or perhaps after the next one, or even the one after that. But the bottom line is, I receive email from many happy peers who thank me for my help and send me email to request help, which in most cases I am very happy to offer.

        My profile shows that I participate in helping more peers than you have ever intended/tried to, which in your case is a big fat ZERO.

        So before the pot starts calling the kettle black, I will encourage you to actually compare our site participation and look at who is offering more positive reinformcement and encouragement to new and existing peers, it most certainly isn’t yourself.

        As always you judge based on SMALL samples of false information. And THAT’s why your comments remain challenged just as they are supposed to be and should be expected to be in a DISCUSSION!

        It’s not a lecture forum, it’s a discussion forum, which entails more than one person having an opinion and being able to share it, even if it is contary to your own, I make comments and offer my sources, you just make comments because that’s what you heard and expect that to go unchallenged.

        I have welcomed your opinion, I have ASKED for your opinion, yet you just flame me and fail to respond to the question at hand. You’re not the first and you won’t be the last, so don’t feel too important.

      • #3237237

        You’re not being “pushed” out; you’re voluntarily withdrawing.

        by deepsand ·

        In reply to Well this is it

        Read some of the exchanges between Oz & myself; they’ve not all been cameos from the Summer of Love.

        An, yet, both of us are here, and as oft as not do find common ground.

        I everyone agreed with me on all things I’d go stark raving mad from boredom!

        • #3237229

          Kind of like family

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You’re not being “pushed” out; you’re voluntarily withdrawing.

          where you pick on your little brother just to watch him squeal.

          poke poke poke.

          Someone disagreeing with you does not infringe your rights to personal expression.

          Posting in a public forum does mean that you must expect others with a different opinion WILL pop their heads out of the Ahole it was shoved up and spit some $hit at you.

        • #3237214

          LOL

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Kind of like family

          Where did you get THAT from!
          “WILL pop their heads out of the Ahole it was shoved up and spit some $hit at you”

          Pretty graphic! But pretty funny too.

        • #3237184

          well

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to LOL

          I have my moments.

          Not very often it would seem, but every now and then the blind squirl finds a nut.

        • #3237213

          Guaranteed to happen.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Kind of like family

          And, just think of how utterly boring life would be if everyone agreed on all things.

          Well, at least you wouldn’t have to worry about any hurt feelings.

        • #3237192

          No doubt

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Guaranteed to happen.

          How do you feel about outsourcing to India?

          -I think it’s Okay
          –Me too
          –And me
          –Uh huh
          –yyyyyyyupppers
          –mmmmmmmm, yep.

          What do you think of the war in Iraq?

          -Not much
          –Me neither
          –Nope

          -Well I think it’s wrong
          –yeah me too

          -I think it’s for the right cause though
          –DO you?
          –Yes
          –Oh, I guess I can go along with that.

          Yeah I can just see the sponsors leaping at that subscriber base. 😀

        • #3237181

          “what do you mean I hurt your feelings”?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Guaranteed to happen.

          “I didn’t know you had any feelings”.

          Oz, help me here. What Megadeth song is that from? Peace sells, right?

        • #3237161

          Bang on – Good tune

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to “what do you mean I hurt your feelings”?

          What do you mean, I don?t believe in god?
          I talk to him every day.
          What do you mean, I don?t support your system?
          I go to court when I have to.
          What do you mean, I can?t get to work on time?
          I got nothing better to do
          And, what do you mean, I don?t pay my bills?
          Why do you think I?m broke? huh?

          Chorus
          If there?s a new way,
          I?ll be the first in line.
          But, it better work this time.

          What do you mean, I hurt your feelings?
          I didn?t know you had any feelings.
          What do you mean, I ain?t kind?
          I?m just not your kind.
          What do you mean, I couldn?t be president, of the united states of america?
          Tell me something, it?s still we the people, right?

          Chorus (repeat)

          If there?s a new way I?ll be the first in line, but, it better work this time. can you put a price on peace?
          Peace,
          Peace sells…,
          Peace,
          Peace sells…,
          Peace sells…,but who?s buying?
          Peace sells…,but who?s buying?
          Peace sells…,but who?s buying?
          Peace sells…,but who?s buying?
          No, peace sells…

          Now I have to go downstairs and dig that one out, which isn’t a BAD thing at all.

        • #3236985

          I’m good for that at least

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Bang on – Good tune

          When I listen to music it isn’t pull out my favorite song over and over. It is “what haven’t I listened to in a long time?” and then I start digging.

          I have GOT to get a new turntable so I can break out my inagadadaveda! all 28 minutes of it?

        • #3237862

          inagadadaveda

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Bang on – Good tune

          Did anyone suggest that as best song?

        • #3237813
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          Don’t think so OZ

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Bang on – Good tune

          I can not remember anyone listing it and even when I listed Billy the Mountain by the Mothers it seemed to disappear into that black hole where all missing posts end up.

          Col ]:)

        • #3237792

          vote for a song that starts as a drunken slur?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Bang on – Good tune

          Originally “in the garden of eden” but they were so drunk when they did the demo it came out inagaddaveda baby, don’t you know that I looovvee youuuuU.

          At least that is how I heard it.

        • #3238826

          You have something against drunken slurs?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Bang on – Good tune

          Such marked the beginnings of some of my fondest, though admittedly vague, memories.

          Close re. the origin.

          “In [b]A[/b] Garden of Eden.”

        • #3238784

          Not ot mention the troubles it gets you in

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Bang on – Good tune

          I told my high school girlfired;

          I WAN SHUM BABY, NOW!!

          She seemed to think I meant “I want a baby son, NOW!”

          But either way, I got what I wanted and WE got what we didn’t think WE wanted, until he was born of course.

          Love ya Bugs!
          (I never know when he’s on TR anymore 😉 )

      • #3237227

        You’re running away for nothing

        by av . ·

        In reply to Well this is it

        Everyone on TR has freedom of speech and we talk about alot of controversial subjects. Sometimes the discussions are very impassioned as I guess you already know.

        Don’t take it so personal! Oz is a real character. Like it or not. I’ve had my battles too over the years with many people on TR. Some bad, some good. Its a public forum and people are going to say what they want – you have to accept that. TR has no responsibility to intervene in my opinion.

        I hope you reconsider because you have just as much right to be here as Oz.

      • #3237189

        You have presented one conceivable explanation…

        by absolutely ·

        In reply to Well this is it

        for the observation that ‘Like Stress said “The group of active posters is very small.” Why do you think that is? Evertime someone has a different opinion then Oz he attacks you.’

        I propose the alternative explanation that people like you, who complain and react with more evidence of emotion and reflex than of intellect are what drive away a great many intelligent would-be contributors. Personally, I visit this site, and post to it, precisely because I have seen Oz_Media and a very few others whose eloquence and ratioinality impress me, and I just enjoy witnessing what I consider the greatest human virtue: intelligence. I don’t claim to contribute on his level, but I am bright enough to admire him.

        • #3237183

          Oh don’t make me puke!

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to You have presented one conceivable explanation…

          Man what a gusher that is!

          Have your say, I’m not Einstein (bet I spelled that wrong) and can’t type worth a crap. I just don’t have a problem speaking my mind and can take the knocks I get for doing so, there’s a lot more valid intellect shared here than my thoughts offer that’s for sure! For me it’s just a laff most of the time. 😀

          But thanks for the compliments all the same.

      • #3243023

        boy, are you High?

        by husp1 ·

        In reply to Well this is it

        perhaps you should review this topic again. From what I read in your post you seem to think that we all agree with everything that OZ posts. As for you leaving the site, all I have to say about that is if you give up this easy you might as well apply for your SSI benifits now cause you’ll never keep a job long enough with that “Chip” on your shoulders. How the hell did you make it through you military commitment? Did you cry to your DI. in basic when things got tough? did he hold your hand and wisper little words of encouragement to you? Maybe you should call your mom and have her write a note to OZ asking him to excuse you from his little triads. Also for your info Oz does not seem to pick on every new guy here (he missed ME!!) I have only been on TR for a year, but now you’ve made me feel left out!! WAAAAAAA !!!!!

        • #3242963

          Gent bent then

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to boy, are you High?

          Feel wanted now?

          You’ll have your time, don’t you worry! 😉

          What do you mean, ‘you seem to think we all agee with everything Oz posts’, of COURSE you agree, if you know what’s good for you.

          Look out, the mean, nasty, terrible Oz is gonna get you! gimme a break, LOL, I’m just a dude on the forum and someone doesn’t like it! 😀

          It reminds me of a peer a while back where no matter what you posted, no matter how few simple words you pur together with NO insinuations at all, you would be labelled as sexist and a typical male etc. It was actually quite funny when it wasn’t just sad.

        • #3242906

          Discrimination from OZ?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to boy, are you High?

          No, he is an equal opportunity offender.

          He doesn’t discriminate as many of us all follow the same rule of treat EVERYONE baddly so you can’t get accused of favoritism.

          He will make the rounds your way soon enough. That or maybe you have been making your protection payments on time? That would explain it…

        • #3242838

          It’s true…

          by jessie ·

          In reply to boy, are you High?

          I’m feeling rather left out myself… maybe Oz is just taking it easy on me cuz I’m pregnant and hormonal and he knows I’d cry if he said a single cross word to me. 🙁

        • #3242748

          Maybe

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to It’s true…

          Then again, I may just be scared s***less to even try going into it with you. 🙂

        • #3242719

          Somehow I doubt that…

          by jessie ·

          In reply to Maybe

          We’ve never met, so you can’t possibly be intimidated by my height and large… tracts of land. 😉

        • #3237897

          But

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Somehow I doubt that…

          But I don’t want all that. I just want to…to…to SING!!!! 😀

          STOP THAT! STOP THAT! There’ll be noooo singing ‘ere! ]:)

        • #3236838

          LOL

          by jessie ·

          In reply to But

          😀

      • #3242949

        I fail to see

        by awalt ·

        In reply to Well this is it

        how anyone is pushing you out or TR. YOU are CHOOSING to walk away.

        • #3242930

          THe same way

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to I fail to see

          HE CHOSE to register, CHOSE to post, CHOSE to flame me and then CHOSE to make something out of it.

          I don’t claim innocence too often, nor could I, but in this case, I am just a pawn of someone’s attack when he didn’t get the salute he expected that’s all.

          I didn’t even provoke the issue half as much as the fleeing poster did anyway.

      • #3256630

        Goodbye cruel world

        by jamesrl ·

        In reply to Well this is it

        Freedom of speech, does not entail freedom from criticism. Freedom from criticism is found only in dictatorships, which frankly not many people would chose voluntarily. If you have an opinion, and you CHOSE to share it, be prepared to defend it, or accept criticism of it. You do have a CHOICE to ignore it. People with healthy egos often do.

        You are welcome to stay or go, but that is YOUR CHOICE, not the choice of anyone here, including TR itself.

        I wonder what service you were in, cause in the ones I am familiar with, breaking you down with insult and humiliation is kinda SOP for boot.

        Oz’s opinion only counts for more than others- in your perception. Clearly he managed to push your buttons. You let him.

        I don’t think that TR needs to intervene unless there are threats of violence or pornographic postings. Sorry, I think forums like this are self governing, and its been like that since I first posted on BBSs in the 80s.

        As for a sad day, truth be told, I don’t think so – it may be a sad day for you, but it really isn’t going to negatively impact me. I will feel free to post what I want and argue with whomever I chose. You have the same right. You CHOSE not to exercise it.

        James

        • #3236369
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          You know what they saw James

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Goodbye cruel world

          When the going gets tough the weak go running to their mommies crying for help and to take away that nasty man who has hurt my feelings. 😀

          Col ]:)

    • #3237248

      Never let someone else determine what you do or don’t do

      by jdclyde ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      Never let someone else determine what you do or don’t do. Oz has as much right to post what he wants as much as you do. You also have the right to ignore whatever he posts.

      As you have noticed in the US Army smear post, I am not exactly on eye to eye level with OZ either but I would never expect him to have to shutup and go away just because he is wrong. (IMO)

      I have actually found him to be an excellent contribution to TR in every way except for three flaws. Politics he is nuts, Closed minded about what a “real” beer is, and he doesn’t realize AC/DC is washed up. Keep him off of those big three and he is top rated by me.

      Would hate to see someone who is willing to stand up for an opinion that doesn’t have a lot of defenders on this global group.

      I also have been subject to problems with my beliefs here. It has cost me the chance of a date with both Jess and Mae already….

      Hope you decide to hang around for a while longer!

      Best wishes!

      jd

      • #3237130
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        Wash your mouth out with soapy water

        by hal 9000 ·

        In reply to Never let someone else determine what you do or don’t do

        AC DC is alive and well thank you very much!

        Granted I’m more than a bit biased and I still think that they where better when Scott was lead singer but they do have something that just will not die!

        Now off to your room to think about the wrongs you have done here now and you’re not allowed back on until you readjust your thoughts!

        Col ]:)

        • #3237027

          Oh yeah

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Wash your mouth out with soapy water

          If forgot to mention that Col is a raving lunatic as well….. Must be contagious!

          Run away! Run away!

          Sure they are alive and well. Wasn’t saying anything about their HEALTH, just the status of a band that hasn’t created ANYTHING of value in about 20 years.

          And no, this isn’t a Scott/Johnson thing. I liked Johnson when they started out. He just has no tone left in his “voice” anymore.

          And no, commercial success that Oz has pointed out does NOT mean indicate how good anything is. Look at how stupid the average consumer it. They listened to Esync and Backdoor boys and that stupid Snoop(the stoop)dog. Oh yeah, that was quality….

          Cheers!

        • #3242953

          But snoop, back door boys, and inscync

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Oh yeah

          Can’t play a decent live show.

          THe thing I suport with AC/DC, sure they have been marching to the same beat for many years now, is that they still go on stage and give a full on AC/DC show that sounds phenominal and is the energy htat put them on the map.

          Bands like AC/DC don’t belong in the studio, they belong on stage and THAT’s where thier performance has dwindled very little, considering they are 30 years older now.

        • #3242939

          Are you infringing on my rights?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to But snoop, back door boys, and inscync

          Well, I’m leaving!

          Ok, I’m back!

          I never said anything about their live shows of perfoming 30 year old music. My point is exactly that! That is all they have to go on, and anything “new” that they try to come up with has been crap.

          Yes, I still love the older tunes. They are just like Metallica, once a great band that still is very popular but what are they compaired to what they were? (accept AC/DC didn’t turn into a bunch of Aholes, so I give them that as well!)

        • #3242935

          oh yeah…

          by jck ·

          In reply to Are you infringing on my rights?

          just like a lot of rock…back when it was about the music…and not the commercialization guys makin a buck off the musicians who are out there bustin their ass for a piece of the pie.

        • #3242882

          Oh crap

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to oh yeah…

          YOU agreed with me. That is guarantied to bring down his wrath now! Look and see what you have done!

        • #3237806
          Avatar photo

          How did you know

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Oh yeah

          That the preferred letters that I use after my name are RL? 😉

          Once a guy insisted that I use letters after my name as I had the qualifications so I should flaunt them. I just replied that those that would be impressed where not worth impressing and those that knew what they meant would think I was being swelled headed so unless it was a legal thing I never used them ever. 🙂

          But he insisted so on every letter, memo, e-mail or whatever that I sent him I just added RL after my name. Finally it drove him nuts and he had to ask what it meant I just replied “Raving Lunatic.” He got a bit peeved off to say the least and I dropped the silly things. :p

          But I love taking the mickey out of people who insist on using those idiot things after their names recently I asked a quack why he was advertising the fact that he was a “Manic Depressive” which had him confused so I pointed to the MD after his name. 😀

          Col ]:)

        • #3236928

          I just know these things

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to How did you know

          I read tea leaves, don’t ya know?

          I am reading your fortune right now and I see your next beer will be just grand.

          (Am I good or what?)

        • #3236720
          Avatar photo

          You just blew it!

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to I just know these things

          I have not drunk beer since a bout of Hep A back in the late 70’s. One of the staff was leaving so we took him out for a good by night on the town and everyone including the guy leaving ended up with Hep A. What a mess that made of my department. 🙁

          After nearly 2 years of not being able to drink beer I lost the taste for it and now stick to spirits. But on a funny side after I had returned to work a long time after the rest of the others as I had to come in for the first few weeks and supervise the staff that where brought up from down south. I took a bunch of dealers out for dinner and as I felt great I had a glass of wine well at least a sip anyway as I don’t remember anything after taking the sip. Seems that I passed out and had to be taken to the nearest meat works but it did get me out of paying for all of those meals as the owner was happy to see the end of us apparently having someone drop to the floor unconsciouses is bad for business. 😀

          What it meant to me was less paper work as I didn’t need to fill out an expense form for the meals. :p

          Col ]:)

        • #3236679

          That is how my TV show got busted too

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You just blew it!

          I taught Mrs. Cleo everything she didn’t know!

          Never trust a psychic that hasn’t won the lottery at least once.

          BUT, remember years and years from now, when you have that next beer, damn it will be good and you will say “Hey, he was right!”

    • #3237175

      Oz is THE MAN

      by lumbergh77 ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      Earthworm,
      It’s just an Internet message board. So what if the man disagrees with ya? You act like it’s the end of the world.

      • #3237980

        And THE MAN

        by jessie ·

        In reply to Oz is THE MAN

        is always trying to screw the little guy!!! Damn THE MAN! THE MAN is always trying to take away our rights!!

        Oh, WHOA is me!! 😉

        • #3237804
          Avatar photo

          Think on this one Jessie

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to And THE MAN

          Today “The Man” is quite often a woman and we all know what that leads to don’t we? 😀

          Col ]:)

        • #3236833

          Sex change?

          by jessie ·

          In reply to Think on this one Jessie

          That requires an “addadicktamy.”

        • #3236719
          Avatar photo

          Well I was going to say

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Sex change?

          ########################################################################################

          But the way you put it is soooooooo much better. 🙁

          Col ]:)

    • #3237169

      IT_Lobo – Some Advice From One Who Knows

      by maxwell edison ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      Spend a little time (over a cup of coffee in the morning, perhaps), and read some of the discussions I’ve had with Oz over the past year or two. I don’t think any two people have locked horns in these threads quite like Oz and I have. And you know what, I know exactly what you mean. But you know what else, I don’t really give a rat’s behind what Oz might think or say — and you shouldn’t either.

      And you might even surprise yourself if you stick around. After all, even Oz and I have found some common ground. We’ve had to sail into the mystic to find it, of course, but my advice is to not run from him, but rather stand up to him. Just speak your mind, do it in an honorable way, and let the chips fall where they may. If you do that, it doesn’t matter what Oz, or anyone else for that matter, may think or say about it. What matters is what you think about it.

      • #3237136

        Amen to that

        by _christian_ ·

        In reply to IT_Lobo – Some Advice From One Who Knows

        Given my very recent disagrement with the same, on my recent topic, I totally agree with this.

        • #3242944

          There’s another one

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Amen to that

          Christian, I offered a simple reply to the question you posted in the Discussion forum, you hadn’t included any information to make me think that you didn’t need some basic help. When I offered some basic info on the Trojan you had found, along with a link with more information, you tore a strip out of me by saying how experienced you are and that you don’t need to be told what you hadn’t provided in your post.

          Judging by the lack of replies, I would say I’m not the only one who found your issue confusing or evasive either.

          I offered you help and support, YOU shot it down. I didn’t shoot down your posting the question or tell you to post it in Tech Q&A forum did I?

      • #3237133
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        But Maxwell

        by hal 9000 ·

        In reply to IT_Lobo – Some Advice From One Who Knows

        You are already on the list of people who have disagreed with IT_Lobo so your as bad as OZ and myself as well as quite a few others. 🙂

        Seems that we’ll all be spending time in the “Sin Bin” for not passively agreeing with everything that every one posts. Just how hard would that be? 😀

        Col ]:)

        • #3236984

          Show me the list – Show me the message

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to But Maxwell

          First of all, it doesn’t matter if I’ve disagree with someone. After all, you and I have had our share of disagreements as well, and I wouldn’t want you to take your toys to another playground.

          And if I am, as you say, on the list of people who have disagreed with IT_Lobo, will you show me that list? In fact, show me even one message in which I have disagreed with him. In fact, in fact, show me even one of my replies to anything he’s posted. Quite frankly, I don’t remember ever conversing with him.

        • #3243010

          Interpretted

          by cactus pete ·

          In reply to Show me the list – Show me the message

          I think Col was referring to the interpretation of Lobo’s comment that seem to say “Everyone here agrees with Oz, not me, so I’m leaving”. Given that you have posted in this thread, you are lumped into that category of offending people.

        • #3242985

          Oooooooh – I see

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Interpretted

          .
          Colin’s wit went right over my head!

          I did nit get it.

          I guess that makes me a nit-wit.

        • #3242905

          heh

          by cactus pete ·

          In reply to Oooooooh – I see

          If you’re only as old as you feel, and you feel you are a nit-wit…

          What the heck does that mean?!

        • #3242892

          Old enough

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to heh

          To know better?

        • #3237872

          No, that’s a “nit wit’out.”

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Oooooooh – I see

        • #3237789
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          Max you had to ask didn’t you?

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Show me the list – Show me the message

          Oh well try this out for size

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=96&threadID=173804&messageID=1768370

          and then your disagreement was minor granted but then again so was OZ’s it’s at

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=3&threadID=166922&messageID=1705686

          and it was in relation to connection to an unsecured wireless LAN. You took your usual stand that because it isn’t on the books it isn’t illegal and IT_Lobo seemed to think that it was.

          Like you I was surprised to see my name there as well on a different topic as I couldn’t remember it either. But when this guy insisted that OZ was following him around to slap him down at every opportunity {I’m paraphrasing here} I just had to have a look see so I looked up his Peer Listing and then every topic that he has contributed to. Thank fully they are only a few so I didn’t have to waste too much time going through all of them.

          Does that clear things up or make them as clear as mud? 😉

          Now you have upset me so I’m leaving as well! 😀 It’s childish isn’t it? :p

          Col ]:)

        • #3237874

          Oh, no, not the “Sin Bin.”

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to But Maxwell

          Isn’t that overseen by ippirate & MrMiami?

        • #3237788
          Avatar photo

          God NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Oh, no, not the “Sin Bin.”

          If that is the case I’ll never get out. 🙁

          Col ]:)

        • #3237779

          Why?

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to God NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Who the heck wants out, I’m having a blast in here!

          Two young boys were tossed in separate rooms, one full of the newest toys and games, the other was just piled 8′ high with horsesh*t.

          4 hours after tossing the boys in the room they were looked in upon to check thier progress.

          The boy in the room full of toys was sitting there crying his eyes out. “All the toys are broken or I’m bored of them, I wanna go HOME!!!”

          The boy in the room full of horsesh*t was eagerly digging with his hands and throwing crap everywhere, giggling to himself. He was asked WHY he was so happy?

          “With all this horsesh*t in here, there’s just GOT to be a Pony!”

          We all manage to get some good out of all the horsesh*t we throw at each other around here. 🙂

        • #3237762

          Well said.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Why?

        • #3237752

          U_R_TWISTED!!!

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Why?

          I take back all the nice things I said about you!

        • #3237748

          It’s old

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to U_R_TWISTED!!!

          I used to do some motivational speaking and this was one of those ‘stories’ youdrag around with you. It’s actually supposed to be for positive reinforcement, but it seemed to fit here.

        • #3237740

          That explains it: I am young :)

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to U_R_TWISTED!!!

          That story motivated people? To do what, ask you to return their money? Disgusting!

        • #3237716

          Actually it’s an old one from a sales course

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to U_R_TWISTED!!!

          When I took VanSec sales courses it was used in a seminar about holding a positive attitude in sales. Sifting through the crap with the knowledge that there must be a pony in there somewhere. Whereas teh guy that relies on the laydowns is rarely challenged, tires easily and won’t be able to drive business when needed.

        • #3236653

          Absolutely is VERY young

          by jessie ·

          In reply to U_R_TWISTED!!!

          Don’t you ‘member, we established on the ET thread, that he’s only 12, posting in secret from the computer in his bedroom. 😉

        • #3236649

          Jessie, do you remember…

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to U_R_TWISTED!!!

          that you also established, on that same thread, that I’m your Daddy? Now behave yourself, and don’t make me tell you again not to blow the lid off my secret identity!

        • #3238849

          Not really

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to U_R_TWISTED!!!

          I didn’t have much to do with the evolution threads, I have an inner sense of spirituality that drives me and that’s a little hard to defend.

        • #3238824

          Don’t get out much?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to U_R_TWISTED!!!

          Oz’s joke is an oldie but goody.

        • #3238744

          As little as possible

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to U_R_TWISTED!!!

          I try to accomplish as much as possible under this house arrest arrangement (ask Jessie), but I do occasionally have to slip out for food, plus I read on the Internet that certain frequencies of light that are not in most bulbs but are in sunlight are good for you.

    • #3237128
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      Well as that was supposed to be your

      by hal 9000 ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      Last post I don’t suppose you’ll get the chance to read this bit I’m going to say it anyway.

      If you are so upset with the comments from OZ in particular why do you hang around the water cooler? This area is for nontechnical discussions just like at work where we take time off from our problems to complain bitch and whatever else.

      If you are so interested in technical discussions you have the advantage of just staying with them or even heaven forbid post answers to the T Q & A section where you just might help someone.

      Of course you’ll get your fair share of being kicked in the teeth as well there buy instead of having an active disagreement you’ll only see “Answer Rejected” and nothing more. I’m sure that most people here have experienced that as well or the current problem of going to all the trouble of typing in a response to a question and then seeing it just disappear into Cyber oblivion and never to be seen again.

      Now if you where complaining about that you would have some sought of leg to stand upon but like all technical things a fix is being worked upon and will eventually come so the problem ceases to be a problem.

      But if you insist on playing in the nontechnical parts of TR you are going to get your fingers burnt just like everyone else I’ve personally gone from being called “Anti American” to being accepted or at least tolerated by quite a few people here and while we might not totally agree on everything we have found the middle ground where personalities are just no longer an issue.

      When I have one of those problems that I just can not come to terms with I do not hesitate to ask any of those people who I’ve had “words” with for help and it has always been forthcoming a simple answer that I kick myself for not seeing in the first place but it is always true that many heads make light work.

      By walking out of TR you are effectively cutting off your nose to spite your face as you will be the only one who looses the potential help that is available here. Even if you where to ask OZ a technical question he would help you as much as he could and not call you an imped fool just like the rest of us all we attempt to help each other out when we can as no one can hope to know it all and we all rely on the Peers here to help us out from time to time.

      Col

    • #3237118

      drat!

      by rapell ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      you are both weak!…..veeeeerry weak! get a grip on yourself.

    • #3236956

      Good By, Good Riddance.

      by synthetic ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      I am aware of OZ, and his postings, so I went to look through your postings, to see what he had done. I had difficulty finding this serious, pervasive, offensive behavior your crying and whining about. Instead, I have found many of your posting to be acerbic, attacking, derogatory, and set to offend. Where I thought, when first reading your childish rant, that you were being targeted, something I was looking for evidence of so I could add my disgust concerning OZ; instead, I found some really ugly comments you had placed on others. I have not found any pervasive actions, and system of character assassination on the part of OZ, OZ doesn’t even show up in most of your post, and if OZ did, normally it was not in relation to anything you had to say. Well, if you feel censoring of any point but your own is appropriate, and that you should have the only run on gross misrepresentation, then I say good-by, and good riddance. TR has, and continues to be a great place, only every sullied by politics, and this is by choice of those who participate. TR has no blame, and no obligation that they have not met. Go wank with your Army friend about how everyone followed you orders, and didn’t talk back when you were enlisted. Play AAO and relive your glory days. When you get over yourself, and find you might be able to both play well with others, and take the same abuse you seem to have no issues sending on others, then rejoin, and add something. Best of luck to you.

    • #3236955

      Let’s be Reasonable

      by s.c. ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      First thing is that I thought this post was totally unnecessary. We are all adults and must know by now that others will disagree with us; we either accept their views or we don’t.

      Secondly, you say you are a veteran. Then you of all persons should respect the creed “I disagree with what you say but will fight to the death to protect your right to say it.” (May not be quoted verbatim.) This is the basis of “freedom of speech”.

      Thirdly, there are persons like myself that don’t post regularly, simply because my the time I get a chance to read the posts they are old and members have moved on to another topic not due to fear of disagreements. (Work, classes and a family takes up most of my time).

      “Can’t we all just get along?” 😀

      • #3236007

        Hey, I think I said that in a post somewhere

        by j.lupo ·

        In reply to Let’s be Reasonable

        🙂 Can’t we all just get along?

        Someone disagreed with me too about it. The old “kum-bye-ya” idea. 😉

        But I have to agree with you, we are all adults and we need to police ourselves. We write opinions, report findings, and interesting tidbits on just about anything here. We have to expect not everyone will agree and some will disagree LOUDLY.

        We are responsible for our own actions only, and nothing more.

        • #3235990

          NO YOU DIDN’T SAY THAT IN A POST SOMEWHERE!

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Hey, I think I said that in a post somewhere

          AND WE CANNOT ALL JUST GET ALONG!

          WE ARE NOT ADULTS AND WE NEED TECH REPUBLIC TO POLICE US! I loudly EXPECT NOBODY WILL EVER DISAGREE WITH ME BECAUSE I AM ALWAYS RIGHT!

          YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS, AS WELL AS FOR MY ACTIONS WHEN MY ACTIONS ARE STUPID!

          happy weekend all!

        • #3338944

          Fine – Be that way – Fine!!!

          by j.lupo ·

          In reply to NO YOU DIDN’T SAY THAT IN A POST SOMEWHERE!

          😉 Yeah Right. Well I won’t take responsibility for anyone’s actions but my own.

          BTW: Screaming doesn’t work with me. I’ll just sic my pugs on you to snort, lick, sneeze, and grunt at you!

        • #3338887

          Pugs?

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Fine – Be that way – Fine!!!

          Snort, lick, grunt? Nasty.

          Sorry about the shouting, I had just posted on another topic to a habitual shouter, and was joking about it. I think I will try telling it that making its point works better when supported by logic than when supported by only CAPS. I expect many of the names I recognize here know who I mean 😉

        • #3260331

          I thought you weren’t serious

          by j.lupo ·

          In reply to Pugs?

          Just wanted to make certain that ya would know I don’t back down, I pull out the little guys to attack. 😉

          Ya heard of Pugs before, right? Little dogs with big dog personalities. . .

    • #3243027

      Lobo, Please don’t let Oz bother you

      by montgomery gator ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      Oz may be very opinionated, and although he and I do disagree on many things, I still enjoy his posts. I may think he is a raving left-wing loony British-Canadian, and he probably thinks I am a rabid right wing troglodyte American jingoist, but I still respect him and enjoy his posts. (Oz, please confirm if this is accurate as to how you see my opinions).

      I stil respect Oz and his opinions, even if I disagree with a lot of them. I do admire his intelligence, as twisted as his “evil genius” may be at times. Instead of being imtimidated by him, just have back at him, I believe he can take it as well as he dishes it out. Follow the examples of Maxwell and Absolutely, and stick to your guns, so to speak.

      • #3242989

        Good advice

        by _christian_ ·

        In reply to Lobo, Please don’t let Oz bother you

        As for my, my figurative guns will now be loaded for bear ;-]

      • #3242932

        Confirmation?

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Lobo, Please don’t let Oz bother you

        Well really I don’t see you that way at all, honestly.

        I just see you as another person with an opinion to share, argue, defend or discuss.

        I don’y see left or right in pople actually, hav never been taught to do so, have never cared what political stand people take or anything else.

        I have ‘learned’ to throw it in people’s faces when I am tagged or labeled myself though.

        But really all I see here is a bunch of people on an internet, with common interests in many cases, who all chit chat and shoot the sh*t.

        I don’t care how long people have served, or haven’t, it make NO difference unless we are up for a medal. I don’t care how many people you know in the military, the poor soldiers are just pawns in another mans game, THEY “didn’t start the fire, it was always burning since the world’s been turning” (sorry couldn’t resist that one).

        YOU didn’t screw up relations with allies, YOU didn’t wage war on me or anyone else. Why would YOU be my concern? YOU also don’t run whining to TR if I don’t accept your points though, and THAT’s what makes TR interesting, challenging, supportive and all the other great things we get from it.

        As for my label of you, sorry, I really don’t have one, no matter what I may call you in the defensive heat of the battle. I don’t judge by political views when it comes to PEOPLE and who I accept, I judge by political view when we are arguing politics, that’s all.

    • #3242969

      Ok..um…bye (holds door open).

      by tomsal ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      Nuff said

    • #3242899

      Dude! just going to walk away?

      by itgirli ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      So I haven’t had time to read every post, but, dude, so Oz was enjoying his opinion. I think we all got a little crazy in that thread. I decided to stop posting in it. I was bored with going around with the same people in the same stupid argument when no one person is ever going to think they are wrong and some are more interested in putting their point forward rather than opening their minds to what other people think. (And I can be guilty of it too. I know it comes as a shock since I know I’m perfect), but relax. Go post in a different thread. Just because Oz and I got into in that thread, doesn’t mean I cannot talk to him in a civilized manner in another thread. It’s about growing up and not always getting your way. Did Oz stop your posts from making it on the thread? Did he stop your access to the TR website? You can’t blame him or TR for your leaving. You weren’t forced. Sorry, but it’s true. You can try to blame him and as intelligent as your posts made you seem, I think throwing blame is a stupid thing to do. It’s too bad you have to go, I would have liked to have you on my side for other debates. Good luck out there.

      • #3242894

        And there you have it

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Dude! just going to walk away?

        We have been on both sides in our discussions I think.

        I’ve agreed and joiked with you, I have disagreed and flamed you, as you have toward me too.

        It really isn’t an issue of discussion even, if people are grown up enough to have an opinion, thye need to be grown up enough to have thta opinion challenged and be expected to support thier opnion, shouldn’t they???

        I think you’re a ratbag bitch, and then again I love what you have to say. It’s just a matter of people not agreeing on everything ALL the time, and as a result I see you as someone with a valid opinion and the strength to voice it, not seeing you as a rat bag bitch OR my lost love.

        Overall you’re just another valid opinion and one I respect and enjoy reading.

        his is another reason I am beginning to agree with other posters who assume this person is nothing but a kid with an alias and a lot of BS.

    • #3242825

      THESE PRETZELS….

      by unclerob ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      …are making me thirsty!

      Sorry I really didn’t have anything worth adding to this conversation but I did read everyone’s posts which took a while and during which time I consumed a decent amount of pretzels and could now use an extra cold beverage in a frosty mug.

      Ok, maybe I will contribute some of my opinion (heaven forbid) on this heated debate that will be showcased tonight on CNN with Larry King….

      First off IT_Lobo, don’t leave because it’s not necessary, just get a grip on reality. TR won’t be the only place you experience someone who doesn’t agree with what you have to say or challenges answers you provide in a conversation. If you do leave, don’t blame Oz or anyone else for that matter, that’s a decision you’re choosing to make.

      Secondly, I’m sure no one means to attack you personally (and if they do, who cares, just brush it off, they don’t know you and you don’t know them) with discussion responses that don’t coincide with yours. We’re all remote participants here and personal attacks don’t really mean that much when you don’t really know each other personally.

      As always, You’re free to continue contributing to TR’s discussions but you’re not guaranteed that someone will always agree with what you have to say. That’s what makes these discussions interesting to read & participate in.

      That’s just how things work here @ TR and for that matter on this turd, I mean “third” rock from the sun (and every other planet I’m sure).

      As always, that just my 0.02 cents CDN, feel free to agree or disagree. Now where’s that !@#$% beer?! (oops didn’t mean to swear – my bad)

      • #3242738

        LOL that would be amusing!

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to THESE PRETZELS….

        “Tonight on Larry King, Oz bitches about Bush!”

        King: “So Oz, what’s this about you not liking the current administration.”

        ME(I’ll play Oz): Well your right Larry, to take a quote from Kevin Bloody Wilson, ‘I’d like to let his f****n reindeer loose and kick Rudolph in the nuts'”

        King: So what has brought on so much angst again Bush?”

        ME: Well,Larry, and again to quote Kevin Bloody Wilson, “If I wanted a bloody pair of thongs, I would have bloody asked. And this cowboy gear and ping pong set he can shove right up his a%%.”

        King: “I don’t really understand what you are trying to say, are you saying Bush hasn’t delivered what he said he would?”

        ME: “He stuffed my bloody order up, it’s enough to make you spew, and it’s not just me who squirly, my sisters snakey too!”

        KING: “Are you sure you’re not perhaps confusing George W. Bush, the President of the United States of America with SANTA CLAUS?”

        ME: “YEAH THAT’S THE OLD CODGER!! Hey mums and dads you smell his breath and check his boodshot eyes! And don’t listen to him boys and girls ’cause he tells f’kin lies! He’s just a piss tank and a pervert and he’s not even very bright! That one-eyed geriatric fart forgot my f’kin bike!”

        KING: And we’ll be right back after this….”
        SECURITY!!!!!!!!

        😀 Gimme a shot!

        • #3242731

          you have a bright future in….

          by unclerob ·

          In reply to LOL that would be amusing!

          becoming a writer for the next smash hit sitcom.
          With “Everybody Loves Raymond” coming to an end we need another show to watch, you came up with some good material in rather short time. Ever though of leaving the I.T. life and becoming a sitcom writer? I hear you can make some decent money doing this kind of work.

          Titles for for the show… “Everybody Loves Oz” (or maybe hates – yikes!) or maybe “Ozfeld”, or maybe the “Oz Media Show”. No more prison shows please, I don’t want to see anymore “love” between men.

          If you make it big, just remember I gave you the idea so cut me in for a piece, make me an executive producer or something else with alot of pay and not too much responsibility.

        • #3242723

          Well not to plagarize

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to you have a bright future in….

          as noted, most of it is quoted from Kevin Bloody Wilson.

          But as for IT, I’m actually not REALLY in IT these days, mostly music production and press for the summer.

          But I stil have a couple of small clients I work with and do some business modelling for.

          (that’s when I put on my sharpest blue pinstripe skirt/suit and a pair of really clunky ‘man’ shoes and parade around town, some people call it Friday at the pub, I call it Business Modelling.)

        • #3237906

          LOL

          by jmgarvin ·

          In reply to Well not to plagarize

          Can’t beat the “business lunch” with the big cheeses, eh?

          I miss those days somewhat, but it is FAR less stress teaching and pawning off my students on you poor saps 😉

          I kid…

        • #3237895

          Actually

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to LOL

          As I am a guy I was only having some fun at my own expense. I don’t suit up for meetings anymore, if they can drag me into one to begin with.

          A meeting for me usually consists of, pick me up at the ferry, well have dinner at chat over darts at the pub and then drop me off at the club or racetrack.

          Sometimes I will thrown on a polo shirt, but usually with a leather jacket or jean jacket on top. I don’t give a toss really, people know me enough to know I don’t play ‘Joe the corporate sales pro’ anymore, they get my ideas and my work and that’s all I’m selling, I hope?!?

          BUT, I have played that role and completely understand your meaning, and yes it’s all a game.
          But I took my ball home and they can call me when they want me to teach batting practice.

        • #3237798

          Anybody else notice…

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to Actually

          conspicuous, unnecessary use of the words “drag”, “ferry”, “leather” & “batting practice”? Is Oz_Media coming out of a closet?

          j/k, Oz, that Larry King/Kevin Wilson/GWB/Satan Claus post was so funny, I want to pick a fight with you just for the sake of more good laughs!

    • #3236728

      Childish and a real waster of time

      by dbertsche ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      After reading a number of posts here responding to the original it all seems pretty childish to me as well as a monumental waste of time but hey it that’s what floats your boat so be it!

    • #3238701

      Give it a break guys!!!

      by gauravbahal ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      God, you guys are going on and on…never have I had to scroll down soooo much to get to the ‘bottom of the matter’ 😀

      Let it go guys!!

      Life is too short for all this!!!

      • #3238672

        HE’S CENSORING ME

        by absolutely ·

        In reply to Give it a break guys!!!

        He told me to let it go, he won’t let me express my opinion! Somebody should make him stop doing that, his opinion nullifies my freedom of speech because it’s more articulate than mine! WAAAAAAAA!

        [Or her. If so, I am sorry zakaku.]

        • #3237621

          That is always a sticky point

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to HE’S CENSORING ME

          Gender, or lack of it.

          While for the most part it is not important here, there ARE times when it would be nice to know WHAT you are addressing.

          Oh well.

          Let it go. Your now “ABSOLUTELY” nullified.

        • #3237507

          It varies.

          by absolutely ·

          In reply to That is always a sticky point

          See Vaseline/KY Jelly/Vicks Vapo Rub conversation above. The stickiness varies.

      • #3237406

        Scrolling ?

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Give it a break guys!!!

        Here’s a couple to keep you busy.

        Why I am Voting for Bush

        The evolution lie

        Both well over 2000 posts with absolutely nothing proven or resolved

    • #3237390

      This is just silly

      by maxwell edison ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      I’ve read several of IT_Lobo’s messages, and it’s just down-right silly. (Even though I somewhat agree when it comes to Oz’s, shall I say, aggressiveness and persistence.)

      The thing about “freedom of speech”, IT_Lobo, is that other people enjoy it as well. Nobody is squelching your right to have and/or voice an opinion, and nobody’s going to squelch Oz’s right either. And just because you’re met with a dissenting opinion, it doesn’t mean anyone is denying you your own. To suggest such a thing is silly. The risk you run by voicing an opinion is that someone just might disagree with you and/or take exception.

      Moreover, you are mistaken, as are so many other people, regarding the context and meaning of the freedom of speech clause of the U.S. Constitution. (And Oz is a Canadian, by the way — or a Brit, whichever might suit his purpose at the time.) Here’s a quote: Congress shall make no law……..abridging the freedom of speech…..”

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the U.S. Congress is meddling in the internal affairs of the TechRepublic discussion forum, at least not yet. As a veteran, you should know that the U.S. Constitution is a document that either places restraints or grants powers to the U.S government, not individual citizens or individual business. And you are quite mistaken if you believe that you can always speak freely without consequence. Try exercising your freedom of speech by telling your boss that he’s a no-good such and such, and see how fast he might exercise his by saying, “You’re fired”.

      You need a reality check — and some onions, I might add.

      • #3237328

        Onions?????

        by husp1 ·

        In reply to This is just silly

        I don’t get it.

      • #3237326

        Onions?

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to This is just silly

        Ok, I will byte. What does onions have to do with any of this?

        For his crying?

        • #3256727

          Onions? Too funny

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Onions?

          .
          http://slangdictionary.com/?a=term&q=onions

          Maybe it’s just because I’m a dumb hillbilly, but I’ve always considered “onions” a slang term for part of the anatomy. However, unlike the definition at the other end of the above link, I’ve considered them part of the male anatomy — but a little further down, that is.

          This is closer to my meaning:

          http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/onion

          (Numbers 5 or 6.)

        • #3256667

          ONIONS!

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Onions? Too funny

          Never heard that term, grapes, nuts, family jewels etc. but never onions, nor have I heard the female slang onions used (that one’s just plain screwed up).

          Bloody Americans. Whatever next?

        • #3256613

          Onions – I learnt that

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to ONIONS!

          Did you like that? Learnt? I learnt that from my hillbilly buddy, too.

          The first time I heard “onions” used to describe, shall I say, the male genitalia in such a context was about 30+ years ago when I was in the service with a guy from Arkansas – a real hillbilly, he was. (He even got home-made moonshine for us from his uncle.) We were young and stupid, of course, and one of our buddies did something that was unusually bold. And my Arkansas buddy said something like, “Goooooolly, that sure did take some onions to do that.” (He really did sound just like Gomer Pyle.) Onions – It stuck with me.

        • #3256569

          Well you know what I say, don’t you?

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Onions – I learnt that

          Bloody Americans! LOL 😀

          Yeah we got a whole world full of oddballs, look at me for example, or you or anyone else here really, we are all an oddball to somebody.

          But the Gomer thing was great and thats EXACTLY how I heard it as I read it. I can see how that stuck with you, little stupid saying people come up with during my lifetime seem to always stick with me. One day I find myself saying one and wonder ‘Where the heck did THAT come from?!’

          Does this mean the you’re not leaving TR either because of mean, repressive old me? 😀

        • #3232407

          Now that there is an out and out lie!!! LOL

          by sleepin’dawg ·

          In reply to Well you know what I say, don’t you?

          I just can’t bring myself to believe you would ever use words like ‘heck’ or gawd forbid,’gosh’ or ‘gosh geez willikers’. Now if it were #%&*@ etc., I might believe but ‘heck’; pull the other one, it’s got bells on it and no I’m not leaving either. Hope that doesn’t disappoint you.

          Dawg ]:)

        • #3232303

          Actually I wouldn’t

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Well you know what I say, don’t you?

          My goodness, no! Quite honestly I wouldn’t want to see you OR Max go. You have put in some time here now, Max is an old nemesis, it wouldn’t be the same without either of you.

          As for the heack, golly gee willakers, It’s rubbed off on me from a very dear friend and I like to use those very unimposing comments sometimes, long story.

        • #3236378
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          OZ think of it this way

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Well you know what I say, don’t you?

          When you squeeze onions they make your eyes water and when the other things are squeezed they have the same effect. 😀

          So it actually makes a lot of sense doesn’t it? 😉

          It’s actually a much more polite way of say well you know what and is not that much different to the Poms saying bollocks to things which started out in a similar way. 😉

          Col ]:)

        • #3236383
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          That was BLOODY BRILLIANT Maxwell!

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to Onions? Too funny

          😀

    • #3236420

      Puhleeease.

      by liame ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      Oh, cry me a river.

      • #3236412

        Okay – Cry Me A River

        by maxwell edison ·

        In reply to Puhleeease.

        Cry Me A River (Julie London’s version)

        [Written by Arthur Hamilton]

        Now you say you’re lonely
        You cry the whole night through
        Well, you can cry me a river, cry me a river
        I cried a river over you

        Now you say you’re sorry
        For bein’ so untrue
        Well, you can cry me a river, cry me a river
        I cried a river over you

        You drove me, nearly drove me out of my head
        While you never shed a tear
        Remember, I remember all that you said
        Told me love was too plebeian
        Told me you were through with me and
        Now you say you love me
        Well, just to prove you do
        Come on and cry me a river, cry me a river
        I cried a river over you

        I cried a river over you
        I cried a river over you
        I cried a river over you

      • #3236405

        Or another version

        by maxwell edison ·

        In reply to Puhleeease.

        By Joe Cocker

        I keep on runnin’ baby
        I keep on runnin’
        But I just can’t hide
        No, I just can’t hide
        I keep on hurtin’ baby
        I keep hurtin’ so deep inside
        So deep inside

        Lord I need your smile
        Child like the one I once knew
        Made my grass green
        And my blue skies blue
        Lord was time when two was one
        Tell me now girl
        Where’ve all the good times gone

        Cry me a river
        Wash my blues all away
        Cry me a river
        Girl you are my riverboat
        Take me away
        Is reachin’ out my hand
        Won’t ya please help me to my feet once again
        Tears fallin like rain
        Lord it’s time
        When everybody needs a friend
        Girl where’ve you been

        Lord I need your smile
        Child like the one I once knew
        Made my grass green
        And my blue skies blue
        Lord was a time when two was one
        Where’ve all the good times gone

        Cry me a river
        Wash my blues all away
        Cry me a river
        Girl you are my riverboat
        Take me away

    • #3260470

      Bye Bye Now!

      by fuhgettaboutdit ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      Dear IT_Lobo:
      You have made the right choice to leave TR. The ability to communicate your opinion is a sacred right. The ability to have others listen and agree however is not. Being able to persuade others to accept your view or recommendations is based on how well you understand how they see the world and then upon your ability to build a bridge from their view of the world to yours. By cutting yourself off from forums like this one, you are admitting defeat in your struggle for acceptance of your view or opinion. No amount of arguing can solve this – only more bridge building. Good luck to you.

    • #3239269

      Maybe a disclaimer is needed afterall?

      by oz_media ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      I have always kept most of my business names and artists pretty quiet, as I am mostly bound by contract for PR purposes, I have to be careful about public opinions without providing a disclaimer on every post to rid them of any connection.

      But perhaps I should add an OPT OUT option to my posts.


      [b]Your options for this post are as follows:[/b]

      [b]DISAGREEMENT OPTION:[/b]If you are in disagreement with this opinion;
      a) I accept your disagreement and invite you to respond with more factual information.
      b) You may reserve the right to NOT read posts from me in the future

      [b]OFFENSIVE CONTENT OPTION:[/b]If this opinion offends you;
      a)please accept my deepest apologies, it was not my intent to speak my mind, especially in a way which differs from your own.
      b) You may reserve the right to NOT read posts from me in the future

      [b]CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS:[/b]Should you feel that your Constitutional rights have been ignored;
      a) Please accepyt my apologies, it was never my intent to infringe on your rights
      b) Study the First Ammendment and actually learn something about your rights
      c) You may reserve the right to NOT read posts from me in the future.

      • #3235743

        Is this copyrighted?

        by deepsand ·

        In reply to Maybe a disclaimer is needed afterall?

        Perhaps TR could make this available as a standardized optional signature.

      • #3235630
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        But OZ

        by hal 9000 ·

        In reply to Maybe a disclaimer is needed afterall?

        Do you think that anyone would take the time to read and understand it?

        I think it would end up like most License Agreements people just click on the Accept button without reading. It wouldn’t stop them from being offended and continuing to insist that you are at fault for being so “Pig Headed” but perhaps just to make them think even if only for a short time you could add something like this:-

        I reserver the right to disagree because it is only through disagreements in opinions that we are able to grow unlike a lot of countries around the world that follow blindly a single theme or religion where they stagnate and go back-wards.

        I was going to use the word Muslin in that lot buy decided against it because it might have offended some of the more fanatical people here and it certainly isn’t correct anyway. 😀

        Col ]:)

        • #3235627

          The issue is

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to But OZ

          People wouldn’t have a leg to stand on if they complained, it is there all the same just like a EULA, whether you read it or not it still applies.

        • #3254923
          Avatar photo

          But in this case and any like it

          by hal 9000 ·

          In reply to The issue is

          They still do not have a leg to stand on either.

          So someone got offended by some of your posts on one thread as there where none on others and took their bat and ball and went home crying to mommy. Big Deal!

          This particular person was a cry baby who for some reason best known to himself wanted to have the only opinion and never have it disagreed with. He was very vocal they you in this case where limiting his “Freedom of Speech” but at the very same time considered it perfectly acceptable to limit yours. Something hypocritical there which I don’t want to get involved with.

          But really I’ve seen better behavior in a preschool where the 3 year olds fight among themselves in the sand pit over who’s bucket is bigger when they are all the same size.

          God even politicians behave better than what this person did I just have a mental picture of him bursting into tears at your postings on that one single issue. You must really have hit a raw nerve perhaps he was one of those recruiters and that is what the problem was. 😀

          But if he was really an adult he is free to ignore you or just even not be bothered to reply or any number of other things he could have done instead of throwing a Hissy Fit like this.

          Col ]:)

    • #3167280

      Wow…

      by onbliss ·

      In reply to I am leaving TR (thanks Oz)

      …I was doing some searching in TR, when I found this gem of a discussion. I just had to laugh.

      I was not a frequent visitor for quite some time (a year or two), and looks like I had missed out lots of fun.

      What better time to liven this thread back, than in these days when we get so many old threads popping up 🙂

      • #3167220

        Man!

        by ontheropes ·

        In reply to Wow…

        I knew I’d better keep an eye on you. See what you did?

        • #3210250

          GOD

          by onbliss ·

          In reply to Man!

          …that’s GuruOfDos. That is another person I remember from old days. I happened to read, during my brief research, some of the unfortunate reasons for him moving out.

          I had just praised Oz in another thread, and seeing this suddenly made it me smile even more 🙂

          And I doubt this thread will really gather more posts.

      • #3210213

        I can’t believe you brought this back to life

        by j.lupo ·

        In reply to Wow…

        I was referring to this post in another thread. I think it was the one when jardiner said he/she was leaving us.

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