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I was getting agitated recently over some global political issue, when it struck me: this is only bothering me because I keep tuning to these worthless media. If the NSA wants to wiretap me, I won't notice, and they'll get bored of not hearing any Al Qaidas before long. The Constitution is a great document, and it's sad that it's not appreciated more, but my pursuit of my happiness is not being advanced by arguing with anonymous cyber people.

I've been noticing that every news show and commentary is plagued by inappropriate expressions of emotion, as if each journalist or each newspaper honestly expects to get its way each time, on each issue. We tend to argue that way here. Why? I know I actually have a personal stake in very few of the issues I've argued. The intellectual exercise is attractive, but there are more productive exercises, and I'm going to find some.

I am going to brush up on my Java, learn the SQL that I should already know much better than I do now, and attend City Council meetings. Until I own an International Corporation, I'll let the kings and presidents of the world bicker amongst themselves. Maybe then I'll buy a few.

Finally, and most importantly, I blame the degradation of the quality of news and media coverage on the audience. I'm going to stop being part of the problem. I'm boycotting the news.

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by itgirli

I'm not a big fan of the news, but I have this irrational need to know what's going on. I just try to let my brain filter through the liberal garbage to get to the actual facts.

But you know what I like to do as far as intellectual exercises? Cryptograms. I buy books of them. And lateral thinking puzzles. Have a lot of books of those as well. And I always watch Jeopardy! And all of those things are much more interesting than global politics.

by absolutely

That's fun. And lateral thinking: does that mean thinking about something beside you? No, of course not. What [b]does[/b] it mean?

by itgirli

I, personally, would not consider sudoku to be a true cryptogram.

Lateral thinking: Lateral thinking is a term coined by Edward de Bono, a Maltese psychologist, physician, and writer. He defines it as a technique of problem solving by approaching problems indirectly at diverse angles instead of concentrating on one approach at length. For example:

It took two hours for two men to dig a hole five feet deep. How deep would it have been if ten men had dug the hole for two hours?

(courtesy of Wikipedia)

by jdclyde

or is it?

I have made the same move in my life several months ago. I used to be-bop betweent the cable news for hours. Now, the only time I have turned a TV on was to watch parts of the SuperBowl, and missed over half of it because I was working on my house instead.

Maybe when the "reporters" go back to reporting things will get better.

The Cheney deal showed exactly the major problems that the media IS.

Enjoy the SQL, and look at mySQL while your at it.

by itgirli

you an assume anything you like, but it doesn't mean it will be right. If it were easy, it wouldn't be fun.

A hint would be the size/depth of the hole.

by maxwell edison

It's not possible to form an accurate answer unless we factor in all these variables:

What are all the provisions in the contract negotiated between the owner of the hole and the Hole Digger's Union? They're certainly entitled to regular breaks, you know.

Who's going to haul away the dirt from the hole? It's undoubtedly workers from the Dirt Hauler's Union, and they might have some requirements that would affect the work performed by the people of the Hole Digger's Union.

How many of the hole diggers have children, and how many children? They are all entitled to take the necessary time off from digging the hole so they can attend a school play or a soccer game.

What are the family medical leave requirements? If the wife ..... I mean spouse ..... I mean significant other of any hole digger requires medical attention, that particular hole digger will certainly be entitled to some time off to attend to those medical needs.

What are the code requirements for the hole? Time to verify those requirements must be factored in.

And don't forget the variable for the time taken by the Hole Code Compliance Officer from the Department of Holes, not to mention the time necessary to file for the appropriate hole digging permits.

Is hole digging training necessary? You don't expect the hole diggers to comply with the hole digging training sessions on their own time, do you?

Have any of the hole diggers previously strained a pinkie, or otherwise sustained any other injury from previous hole digging tasks? Workmen's Comp requires certain flexibility be allowed for such cases.

And as the hole gets deeper, the Workmen's Comp Information signs must be moved in order to comply with the requirement they be kept in plain sight at all times. We must factor in the time necessary to move the sign.

Are any of the hole diggers disabled in any way? There are ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) requirements that might limit the amount of dirt such a hole digger can shovel per scoop.

And what if some of the hole diggers aren't Americans? Even though the ADA requirements will still apply to them (in the name of fairness, of course), they'll have the additional requirements of having to get a drivers license and Social Security Card. After all, just because they're not Americans doesn't mean they're not entitled to American Social Security benefits.

Do the non American hole diggers speak a foreign language? If so, we need to factor in the time necessary for the translator (paid for by the owner of the hole, by the way) to translate the hole digging instructions.

Will there be a digging interruption to make time for a court case to determine the merits of converting the hole to another use that would serve the public better? And of course, a different privately owned interest might serve the public's tax base better, so that must also be considered and factored in.

I know that I barely scratched the surface here. The different variables not only run from A to Z, but from AA to ZZ, and probably AAA to ZZZ.

Oh, but one more.

Do the hole diggers have Internet access? We all know that workers, on average, waste 10 percent of their production hours surfing the Internet. (I made that last thing up, by the way. But it's okay. People make-up stuff all the time. And that's no reason to not consider it true and accurate. It's the intentions, you know, that really counts.)

by absolutely

But I honestly don't intend to make another. My most recent thread identifies the structural flaw that enables all that is incorrect in the government, and there is no need for me to continue to detail all the resulting flaws. When bribery is actually stopped, all the resulting stupid legislation and regulation will crash to a halt, harming only the most corrupt and freeing productive ability for the benefit of the majority.

by itgirli

the puzzle put forth was :
It took two hours for two men to dig a hole five feet deep. How deep would it have been if ten men had dug the hole for two hours?

the original hole was five feet deep. the question was "how deep...." "....the hole..."

This leaves the answer of: "the hole" would be five feet deep, as that was the necessary depth of the hole.

The zen answer would have been: how could ten men dig the hole if it was already dug?

by absolutely

[b]would[/b] it have been?" You used the conditional word "would", which I happen to know also exists in Japanese. Ha-ha, maybe it was a Tibetan Buddhist riddle, or from some other language that doesn't have conditional words, but a Zen Master should know better than to be flat wrong!

by dc guy

TV news is for people who can't read. They care less about telling you what's going on than they do about telling you how to feel about it. Newspapers are only moderately better because they have space for more words.

Agitated people pay more attention to the news so it's in the media's own best interest to keep us agitated.

The death rate from auto accidents has been dropping steadily for years, yet newspapers make it seem like it's a crisis.

by maxwell edison

Theodore Roosevelt was the first, at least I believe he was the first, to coin the term [i] in the arena [/i]as it relates to being involved in self-governance. That was actually the subtitle of his famous speech, Citizenship in a Republic, delivered in Paris, France in 1910. [i]In the arena [/i]was also the name of President Nixon's memoirs (a later memoir written in the 1980s or early 1990s). I've read both Roosevelt's speech and Nixon's book.

A lot of people strive to be [i]In the arena[/i], and some even make it onto the field of play. And people in the arena aren't necessarily limited to just those who get elected, per se. Just as you don't see the trainers and the coaches on the field of play at a football game, they're vital, nonetheless, to advance their preferred agenda. Some are very good at what they do; they're superstars; they make things happen. Others, however, even though they make it onto the field of play, just wallow in the pettiness and rhetoric. They seem to soak-up the basking in the spotlight, but they're really no more than insignificant, third-string players. They don't want to be in the arena to get bold things done, but rather for the sake of just being there. I look to the former as the ones who drive the engine of civic progress, even though I may disagree with some of them; but I totally dismiss the latter as being a total drag on that progress. I think so many people get so wrapped up in the pettiness and the rhetoric, that they fail to notice the difference between the two.

Personally, I think I consider myself on the bench, waiting for my chance (or the courage) to enter the field of play, to enter into the arena. In the meantime, the best I can do is to understand -- and I mean really understand -- and/or support those who have put themselves there so as to advance my version of what it means to be a citizen in a republic. Most people, however, at least in my estimation, are all but mere spectators. They're rooting for one side or the other, always crying foul when a call doesn't go their way, and cheering their team when one does. They don't understand the rules, or the strategy, or the game plan, or the reasons, nor do they really care to. They're just spectators. And listening to the evening news and reading the newspapers is only part of the spectator sport.

What can one do to be in the arena, or close to it, instead of in the stands merely watching and cheering for one side or the other? If I can't be on the field of play, I want to be around those who are. And even before such people make it to the arena, they're positioning themselves to get there, and educating themselves so they can make a difference when they finally do make it there. I make it a point to be involved in activities that puts me around such people. I met Bill Owens, for example, before he became Colorado's Governor Owens. I've had cocktails with Tom Tancredo before he became Congressman Tancredo. I once had a thirty minute conversation with Jack Kemp. I make a point to listen, in person, to every candidate for major office. I've listened to Ross Perot, Steve Forbes, Bob Dole, Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Al Gore when they were running for office. I've attended talks given by Gerald Ford, Rudy Giuliani, Dick Lamm, and many more. I want to hear what people have to say, not what other spectators say what they say. It's said that all people see things through the prism of their own bias and experiences. So I don't want to hear what a spectator saw through his prism. And reporters certainly have their own prism.

And if I can't be around those who are in the arena, up close and personal, I want to listen to what they say, and read what they write, and not through anyone else's prism. If I want to know what's going on in Iraq, for example, although I'm not in that arena of play, I want to hear from the ones who are. And I don't mean other spectators, or just engage in that spectator sport, but rather people involved in driving that particular engine of progress. I can't guess how many times I've suggested to people around here that they should read the book written by Lt. General Michael DeLong. He knows much better than Dan Rather, et al, what's going on in Iraq. General DeLong is in the arena; he knows about the weapons of mass destruction, and has some interesting insight as to their whereabouts. No one who's read that book would ever say that "Bush lied".

I'm currently reading, and am almost finished with, [i]My Year in Iraq[/i] by Paul Bremer. Interestingly enough, before I bought the book, I had read a New York Times review of it, which used it to further criticize the Bush administration and the war in Iraq. I now wonder if we read the same book! The "cut and pasted" excerpts used to advance a view that's different than what Mr. Bremer wrote is amazing! The spectators will read the New York Times reviews, and base their opinions on that review. Being in the arena, at least getting as close as possible, requires reading the book for one's self.

Read Paul Bremmer's book to learn about the progress being made in Iraq, not Nina Totenberg's report on her version of it. Read General DeLong's book before you criticize someone based on yet another spectator's version. Read Rudy Giuliani's book, Leadership. How many newspaper articles have you read that were written by mere spectator -- reporters, in this case? Thousands, I would guess. And we now know your opinion of such reporters. How many books have you read written by people in the arena? I won't attempt to guess, but not many read any at all, because they're mere spectators -- and those spectators claim to have the right answers.

You may not be receptive to taking advice from a person who has, in many ways, become your staunchest critic. But I'll offer it anyway. The first is to get into the arena. No further explanation is required. The second bit of advice is to get some yeast. What? Get some yeast? What does that mean, you might ask?

You and I share many of the same ideals, perhaps to a different degree, but with a similar basis in protecting the importance of individual liberty. And one's ideals might be analogous to a loaf of bread; one prefers white bread, while another prefers wheat. (You and I are both wheat bread, by the way.) But while the basic ingredient in that bread is different, the commonality is a bit of yeast to make it rise. So while the flour might be considered the basic principle, the yeast is what makes it rise within today's reality.

Without the yeast, the bread will not rise, but rather remain flat and unappetizing. You need to add some yeast -- a dose of reality. If not, you'll not only drive yourself batty, but you'll never be involved in what's going on in the arena. I have some pretty firm libertarian principles, but I'll never waste my efforts with the Libertarian Party. That's not realistic; they don't have the yeast. Instead I elect to advance my libertarian principles recognizing the realities of today, which is our firmly entrenched two-party system. A person has a much better chance, a movement has a much better chance, of changing the Republican Party from within, for example, than to try to get the outsider Libertarian Party any semblance of a voice. Not only is the Libertarian Party not in the arena, they can't even get into the stadium.

I may not be in the arena (at least not yet), but I'm closer than most mere spectators. And I always have my bag of yeast, so that my principles might rise a little closer to the top.

From Citizenship in a Republic: The Man in the Arena

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

Shame on the man of cultivated taste who permits refinement to develop into fastidiousness that unfits him for doing the rough work of a workaday world. Among the free peoples who govern themselves there is but a small field of usefulness open for the men of cloistered life who shrink from contact with their fellows. Still less room is there for those who deride of slight what is done by those who actually bear the brunt of the day; nor yet for those others who always profess that they would like to take action, if only the conditions of life were not exactly what they actually are. The man who does nothing cuts the same sordid figure in the pages of history, whether he be a cynic, or fop, or voluptuary. There is little use for the being whose tepid soul knows nothing of great and generous emotion, of the high pride, the stern belief, the lofty enthusiasm, of the men who quell the storm and ride the thunder. Well for these men if they succeed; well also, though not so well, if they fail, given only that they have nobly ventured, and have put forth all their heart and strength. It is war-worn Hotspur, spent with hard fighting, he of the many errors and valiant end, over whose memory we love to linger, not over the memory of the young lord who "but for the vile guns would have been a valiant soldier."

(Yahoo for the whole speech if you're interested ..... I don't use Google.)

by absolutely

I do plan to get into the arena, locally. I don't believe there is any point to even knowing about national and global news; partly because of conclusions I've drawn from observations like the ones you've made, and partly because my Senators and Congressman don't talk to me for a half hour, they send me form letters! Not complaining, just trying to be realistic. I don't employ enough people (yet!) that I would talk to me, if I were elected by the people.

I plan to read your recommendations, in order, except that Theodore Roosevelt's book will be skipped, and Nixon's omitted.

Thanks again.

by jardinier

that I have carte blanche permission to use any of your TR postings on my website, I will post this most excellent statement.

My best wishes go with you on your journey to the arena, and if you can speak as eloquently and convincingly on the floor of the house as you have above, I sincerely believe that you will make a useful contribution to the government of your country.

by jamesrl

I entered the arena at the age of 16. I didn't come from a priveleged family, but my grandfather had been the Reeve (Mayor) of the township he lived in, and a big fish in a small rural pond. I grew up in farm country and we raised chickens, planted vegatble gardens, worked for our neighbours farms to get by.

I began at the very simple level - I joined the party and quickly found myself on the executive and became a low level election organizer. I knew the candidate well. I went on to be president of the local chapter of the youth wing of the party.

I chose to go to University in Ottawa so I could see Parliament up close. I worked one summer job for a Member of Parliament., another summer job at the Party's polling firm, a third at the fundraising arm of the party. The candidate I knew from my home town became a provincial Cabinet minister. I worked fulltime on the leadership campaign which chose the party's leader(the winner became the next Prime Minister).

I'm saying this not to brag, but to give you background.

I've been in the arena. It can chew you up and spit you out if you let it. One of my acquaintences committed suicide. Others have had serious alcohol and marital problems. It is high stress.

But it can be rewarding as well. I remember well addressing national policy confernces, or sharing my concerns about health care with the minister of health for two hours, and working to support proposals that had impact.

But you don't have to committ your life to it. Like many things in life, you get out of it what you put into it. I chose to withdraw from the fulltime dedication to it, and get myself a career in IT.

I now dabble in it. Some elections, I work hard (part time and volunteer) for a candidate I believe in. Others, I sit on the sidelines and let others do the lifting. I always vote.

I have no regrets. I may not have changed the world, or even my country, or even my city, in any considerable way, but I participated in the process instead of sitting on the sidelines. It can be a nasty brutal business - even inside the party. But I would do it again.

James

by jardinier

Several years ago -- motivated largely by the woman who lived across the passage from me and soaked up radio, newspaper and TV from morning to night and did nothing about it but bitch -- I decided to get involved.

I joined the local branch of the party of my choice -- the Labor Party -- and assisted in the campaign for the 2001 Federal Election (in Australia) -- by helping in any way I could the Labor candidate for my federal division of Bradfield.

When I first set eyes on this woman -- Mrs Kathie Blunt -- there was empathy and I sensed that she would draw on me for emotional as well as practical support.

Prior to the election, Bradfield was the second safest conservative seat in the country. However due to excellent campaigning by Kathie Blunt, Bradfield resisted the nation-wide swing of 2 per cent towards Mr Howard's conservative coalition, and measured a marginal swing towards Labor -- sufficient to downgrade the seat to the third safest conservative seat in Australia.

I felt afterwards that that was one of the most useful things I had done in my life.

As some of you know, I publish a humble website on news and current affairs, and this reaches a surprising number of people around the world.

There is also a link to it from the personal website of a state politician whom I know.

I know and am known by my local state and federal representatives. They are on the opposite of politics to myself, but this does not prevent a friendly interaction.

Well that's my little bit. It is a good feeling to be a participant and not merely a spectator.

by absolutely

"I'm done with politics" and the next week I'm #4!

:D

It's just more fun when I pick the topics. Thanks to those that are participating, even azul!

by jardinier

"I blame the degradation of the quality of news and media coverage on the audience."

Thank you. I have been trying to get that message across at this website for more than three years.

Broadly speaking, the media gives the people what they want.

by jardinier

Nobody is forced to watch or read anything.

If adults lack discernment, then I would question first the quality of the education system.

by jdclyde

it gives the brainless masses what they think they want.

The people that actually THINK and QUESTION things, do NOT get what they want from mass media.

Guess I need to make up my own "news", huh?

by jardinier

Hence the greater the proportion of viewers who like to watch a particular show, the better the time slot that show will get and the higher advertising rates it will attract.

Of course if there is a shortage of reasonable quality programs, then rubbish will be dished out.

However every TV I have ever seen had an on/off switch. Nobody is forced in any way to watch it.

Nor is it mandatory for anyone to buy a newspaper.

The proof for me that people are given what they want is in the list of ?Most read stories? in the Sydney Morning Herald, which is of course considered to be a serious newspaper. So what kind of stories are most popular in a serious newspaper? Sensationalism, scandal, gossip, gore, sport, entertainment and so forth.

When I used to travel home by train to the North Shore area of Sydney ? which is an intellectual stronghold you might say ? almost ALL males turned to the sporting pages first.

It's about MONEY. The media is a BUSINESS. It is not a public service. The primary responsibility of any media is to make a profit for the shareholders.

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