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by itgirli

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Can you believe this crap?? Has McDonalds lost their McMind??

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050712/od_afp/australiamcdonalds_050712223215;_ylt=ArbNavDxUeNv3bP2b6_9v8Os0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3NW1oMDRpBHNlYwM3NTc-

Well I'm not going to eat at them here in the states either. I am against monopolies, and who do they think they are to limit people's use of "Mc".

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by dmambo

I watched "Supersize Me" on Monday night. Totally gross. While we're at it let's throw Walmart into our boycott!

Evil, evil, evil. Hard to believe these corporations are run by humans.

by itgirli

I've never liked Wal-Mart and what it has done to all the good Mom and Pop stores out there. They have run a lot of them here out of business. It's a sea of Wal-Mart. No more McDonalds, no more Wal-Mart.

by jdclyde

Heard talk that they actually get a lot of their products from china, where they pay 13 cents an hour to the 15 hour a day workers.

Bad Borgmart, Bad. Resistance is NOT futil.

I do NOT go to either if it can be helped at all. I will pay a little more at the place up the road that pays it's employees a living wage.

by maecuff

was an eye opener.. McDonald's consumption has been curtailed in our home. I don't eat it, but my little one loves it.

My older son's name starts with Mc..wonder if he's in trouble?

And corporations ARE evil. They've been given the same rights as a human, without actually being human. Which makes them psychopathic.

by mrafrohead

They have more rights than a person.

They are America.

They run the show, they call the shots.

Our voices are shit compared to what their voices are.

You know why???

Because they have all of those dollars that they massage our politicians prostates with...

Oh yea, they throw them a stack of cash, the politicians get off and then pass the most ass backwards laws that screw us, the people that voted them in.

But what do the politicians care??? They're set for life after they lose their next election. They're already set, and we are screwed.

Which actually reminds me of a joke my Dad once told me...

What do you get when you cross a Dick with a Potato?

A Dictator...

by mrafrohead

they're cheap and they make my shitty paychecks go that much further.

If the mom and pops stores can't supply me with a good price, then **poof** begone...

I'm loyal to the dollars that I don't have... ;p

by jdclyde

If you go somewhere that treats people badly, do you go back?

If you go somewhere that you get bad servcie, do you go back?

If you go somewhere that RIGHT NOW has class action suits against it because the were MAKING people do more work AFTER they punch out, do you go back? How about that they would also CHANGE peoples timecards?

A Borgmart is bad for any community they go in, because people only look at the VERY short term of I got a cheap piece of crap really cheap. What happens when no one but Borgmart makes any money and everyone else is now working minimum wage jobs?

Last Christmas, many toy manufacturers started doing exclusive toy deals with other distributors because Borgmart was selling toys at cost to get people in the stores. This devalued the toys and made it so they wouldn't sell at other stores. Once you get so there in only one customer for your goods, they can then dictate to you what you will sell them for.

Free market only works if everyone is allowed to make a fair wage.

by jck

I agree.

I eat rarely at McDonalds...but being I'm descended from Clan McKinley...this is just ridiculous...

The bastards won't lock up the rights to my heritage...FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!

by oz_media

Now I have a friggin George Michael song in my head and I don't even know the words, just FREEDOM!! over and over again, with that stupid synth track, you stupid tosser what the hell have you done!

You sir are definitely swill! :(

by dmambo

You know, at Woodstock in that gravelly voice, and pounding the hand drum "Freedom,...Freedom"

Whew, I think I talked him off the ledge.

by maecuff

I've had "Mexican Radio" by Wall of Voodoo stuck in my head all day..and only one line..wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbequed iguana..

How's that? better?

by jck

for your repressed homosexuality, Oz...not my fault you can't get him out of your head!!!

Let out your inner Mr. Garrison...hahahaha :D

by mrafrohead

You know, I didn't have the problem you had with that freakin song, until I read what you wrote.

Now _I_ too have that damned song in my head.

Thanks for nothing!

punk.

by Member 25348569

What we Brits want is FRRRREEEEEEDOM from crap films that screw up our history, especially with that anglophobic jerk Mel Gibson as the lead.

Just my 2p's worth.

:D

by jamesrl

Braveheart. JCK, when you get the Simon Schamas series, take a look at what really happened.

Wallace was no angel. He raided Northern English towns and was responsible for rape and murder. Funny Mel left that out of the movie. And he left out the part where if the Scots had got their act together and settled on a new king, Longshanks wouldn't have been involved. But because there was a dispute, Longshanks was invited to settle it, and decided to only support someone who would pay homage to him. Hmmmm...

And the Patriot. What Mel included in the movie(burning a town full of civilians alive in a church) never happened - nothing even close. The campaign that the movie covers had a lot of Americans who were fence sitters go over to the British, because the Americans had not been doing well at that point(ref. The Revolutionary War documentary on the US Military channel). What Gibson neglected to show was what the rebels did to loyalists - tar and feathering -can anyone imagine a more horrific death?

Mel certainly has an anti-british viewpoint. I know he didn't write Gallipoli, but its in the same vein.

James

by oz_media

I started boycotting MacDonalds when I was a kid!

What a pile of crap and you want me to PAY for this spew?

Refuse to eat there if it was a choice betwen eating grubs and beatles from a log vs McDonalds.

That place is purely disgusting, has ruined the health of millions worldwide and the food gets worse as they age.

What a dump, I never took my kid to that rathole, he wasn't even interested in the gaint plastic clown and his fat purple sidekick. Grimace, what an aptly named masscot for that place!

How much HAM was in YOUR HAMburger?

I wonder if that's why people call them BEEF-burgers in England. MacPukes eeeeeewwwwwww!

by jmgarvin

They are awful. I was on a road tip and the only joint to eat was a McD's. So we decided we were hugry enough...

I decided to order off the dollar menu and get this thing called a Big and Nasty...uh...Tasty...What the hell do they make their food out of feces and monkeys?

by itgirli

aren't too bad. They have a crab cake sandwich and it's actually not bad. And they usually have cleaner food places in MD.

by oz_media

Have some good audio from the sound desks on a couple of the Priest shows, does me good!

by jamesrl

There is a whisky brewed in Cape Breton Nova Scotia, an area where much gaelic is spoken and with a heavy scottish influence. The name of the whisky is Glen Breton. And they don't call it scotch just single malt Canadian whisky.

http://www.cbc.ca/canadanowns/archives/2004_jul_w3.html

http://www.glenoradistillery.com/

But the Scotch distillers association is suing them trying to deny them the rights to use the word Glen. Glen is a geographic name, there are Glens all over Nova Scotia, including in the name of the distillery.

James

by dmambo

I think it'll be easier to convince fast-food eaters to give up McDonald's than Scotch drinkers to give up Glenlivet

by jamesrl

Glen in gaelic means a narrow valley. So all those great scotches are named after a particular place where they were made. Linn by the way, is a glen with a waterfall, so I come by it honestly.

Comparing with McDonalds, I somehow think that the market for single malt is a lot smaller so any drop in sales would have an impact. McDonalds is hurting, but its on a much larger scale. Millions of people have to be involved before Mickey Ds feels anything.

James

by absolutely

I don't want to know how loosely they define "food".

'"McDonald's is like any company with intellectual property it wants to protect," Mullen told AFP'

So the prefix "Mc" is intellectual property, fine. Whose then? Every Scot and Irishman with that in his family name? Or the first son of a Scot who appended "Mc" to his father's name? Intellectual property belongs to the CREATOR of an invention, not the most promiscuous user of it.

by jck

William Wallace was a Scotsman...

Nevermind...it was wasted on Oz, I guess...

by mrafrohead

Did they all have shorts under their skirts?

Just kidding, kilts.

I'm of Scottish decent, so I can crack the joke to those of you that are all pc and shit...

I even have my own castle, somewhere over there... ;p

nyuck nyuck.

by montgomery gator

..you won't paint yourself blue and show us what is under your kilt. ;-)

BTW, William Wallace was a Scot, but he was a nobleman, a knight who wore armor, and a lowland Scot (like Robert the Bruce), not a Highlander the way Mel Gibson portrayed him in the movie. Still a good movie, though.

(Still got to put in my bit for the Lowland Scots, since I have some Lowland Scot ancestry. Movies that take place in Scotland seem to ignore the Lowland Scots and feature only the Highlanders for the most part.)

by Member 25348569

McShit

That's when you go into a McDonalds for a much-needed dump with absolutely no intention of buying any food.

When you are accosted by the Pimply Faced Youth and questioned about you intentions, you assure him you'll be right out to buy a burger after. That's a "McShit with Lies"

:D

by jck

for the druggies...get your McFix...when you use the stall to shoot up or snort a line or smoke a rock.

by montgomery gator

..I'm not the only one to do that. On the road, I have used McDonalds that way, because of my distain for their chain, and the one good thing about them is their clean restrooms (or WCs, as our friends from the UK call them). (Also nice to know that TR's censor program does not censor "McShit". :-) )

by dmambo

No backing down. We need to bust this out of geeksville and bring it to the general population.

Down with McDonald's. And don't call it "McD's". They love that crap.

Sorry - cooling down now

by itgirli

Has gotten a little too big for their own good. And these new crappy jingles and "I'm loving it". It should be "I'm vomiting it!" They want to appeal to the people that work the driver thru. Simple minded people who don't know any better because their parents didn't teach them any better. I would rather see a McDonalds with people that are interested in giving you quality food with politeness. These people they have working there don't care about the customer, they care when their next break is. Bratty little high school punks who think their job is beneath them, when in actuallity they are beneath the job. These punks should not be responsible for any thing consumable by humans or animals. There is no "Welcome to McDonalds" it's "Hold on and I'll get with you in a moment.......okay, what you want to order?" I would like them to get better employees and pay them more for their maturity and decent manner. It would probably bring in more money if they could get their crap together. Get better staff, pay them more for it, make quality food with better regulations (no chicken heads left in the nuggets), and I wouldn't even mind if they raised their prices another dollar for it. Right now they disgust me. Filthy punks.

by absolutely

will have more "cred" when Puffy puffs up a couple hundred more pounds. THEN he'll have the McD's look!

by mrafrohead

For a few reasons:

First, I think that McDonald's has gone McCrazy and lost it's McMind. I think that they are trying to act like McBill Gates when he sued Lindows for sounding too much like Windoze...

There's no supporting that.

Second, it will get me to lose some phreaking weight as I eat out a lot.

McThird: (Put down your drinks) their food makes me phart and I think it would be a service to all if I stopped eating it... ;p It's just that their fries are _SO_ damned good!

/me waves his middle McFinger to McDonald's. "Corporate Arseholes"...

fr0

by mrafrohead

I totally was thinking of the Braveheart reference too...

Then I read Oz's blasted post and it just screwed it all up...

Oz - you GOONIE!

by jck

Go to O'Connell Square, Dublin, Republic of Ireland.

One of the few McDs that I've seen my whole life that was totally clean, staff was not just standing around, and incredibly polite to everyone.

by absolutely

Before huge corporate contributions to politics became a sensible business investment, the politicians had to regulate business so much that companies could be prosecuted under anti-trust "laws" either for being too competitive, or not competitive enough. More vague laws have made for more incentive to bribe more politicians. The source of the problem--which I agree is a major one, that undermines the most important principles of the old US--the source is bad laws, which provide only vague descriptions of illegal business practices.

by jaqui

and here I thought I was the only one.
haven't even walked into a choke and puke in years.

and, since it's an out of the way effort to go there, not into walleyed foolsmart.
( Vancouver just told wallmart to take a hike, they are NOT opening one in the city limits. )

first time I've ever agreed with city council decision.

by beads

Your not the only one. Walmart has been kicked out of a couple of places and closed other stores in Nothern lower Michigan.

Ya see its like this. Most people in the area really, really like the clean environment and beautiful scenery associated with it. Now, here comes SprawlMart who only chooses the most pristine sites usually with small creeks that have to be paved over in which to allow RV and giant SUV parking. "Mommy: Tell me another story about SprawlMart being the guardians of the environment again..." Gah!

These things don't sit well with my nieghbors who lead these fights against the 'big box' stores. More power to em. For that matter, count me in when I get back up there myself! I'll lead the charge.

As for MickeyD's. Just as bad. Whats next? Are they going to tell everyone with the last name of McDonalds to change thier names in order to NOT be confused with the chain? Why not do a Gator/Phillip Morris and change thier corporation to something more appropriate like: McFatty's or McDumpie's. At least it would be more descriptive.

- beads

by jdclyde

I feel a hot wind on my shoulder
And the touch of a world that is older
I turn the switch and check the number
I leave it on when in bed I slumber
I hear the rhythms of the music
I buy the product and never use it
I hear the talking of the DJ
Can't understand just what does he say?

I'm on a mexican radio. I'm on a Mexican - whoah - radio

I dial it in and tune the station
They talk about the U.S. inflation
I understand just a little
No comprende, it's a riddle

I'm on a mexican radio. I'm on a Mexican, whoa-Oh, radio
I'm on a mexican radio. I'm on a Mexican, whoa-Oh, radio

I wish I was in Tijuana
Eating barbequed iguana
I'd take requests on the telephone
I'm on a wavelength far from home
I feel a hot wind on my shoulder
I dial it in from south of the border
I hear the talking of the DJ
Can't understand just what does he say?

I'm on a mexican radio. I'm on a Mexican, whoa-Oh, radio
I'm on a mexican radio. I'm on a Mexican, whoa-Oh, radio

Radio radio... Radio radio... Radio radio...
I'm on a mexican radio. I'm on a Mexican, whoa-Oh, radio
I'm on a mexican radio. I'm on a Mexican, whoa-Oh, radio
Radio radio... What does he say ?

by maecuff

Now it's back. I wish upon you hours of either, Kung Fighting, Muskrat Love or Afternoon Delight, running endlessly through your head. Okay, maybe not Muskrat Love, that's too mean.

by jdclyde

Are you going to try to tell me that everything I see in the cinima isn't true?

Next your going to tell me there is no easter bunny! Well, Santa and me, we aren't going to settle for that kind of talk around here!

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! (via Queen of Hearts)

It really is shocking just how many people actually took the Mel films for anything more than fantasy intertainment. They are about as factually acurate as anything that scumbad Micheal Moore would put out. And to think people took his hubbish seriously too.

The world is in a sad state.

by dmambo

I know for a fact that the Mad Max stuff is true. I almost thought about the possibility of maybe going to Australia once, so I know what I'm talkin' about. And don't forget, I'm an American (a real one, not just a "North American" like those Canucks talk about), so that makes me double-right, right?

by jamesrl

Naah you are no real American. You come from a state full of Commiecrats. And you are so close to those Quebecistan people you get high on poutine fumes. I've been in Montreal and listened to NPR from Vermont....

Besides it should really be Vineland, as Eric the Red was here (and set up a permanent colony)centuries before Columbus (though they did get their butts kicked by the natives).

James

by jamesrl

I know you Merkins envy our straight flat superhighways. I know that more than one travel guide in the US recommends using the 401 to get to Detroit from Buffalo, because of the road. But if you go north of the 401 for a couple of hundred kilometres, you will feel right at home, with rocks and trees and windy roads a plenty.

As for Maple Syrup, while we have some fine stuff in Ontario (including on my ancestor's farm), Quebec is the king - they produce most of the worlds commercial product. Plus, they have maple fudge and sugar pie. Quebec also has some windy roads. You used to be able to tell whether the local constituency elected a government member by the quality of the local roads....

James

by Member 25348569

I think the one that really ticks me off is Patriot.

During a family vacation, that movie nearly got me into a fight in a bar in Florida until I pointed out that:

1) We never did any of that.
2) We were Welsh anyway and so far more persecuted by the English.
3) My mother could have beaten the snot out of him on her own.

As for Patriot, the film, first let me say that this is not an Oz-inspired anti-American rant - though it [b]is[/b] a rant!

Leaving aside all those native Americans with the dark skin from whom you stole the land. Patriot was about honest, law-abiding native-born Americans, who rise up against a loony English king and decided to have their own nation. without exception, everyone that is American in this film is shown to be a hero. Stereotypes! Aaagh!

There's the drunk who kills himself because he's upset someone shot his kid in the face. There's the rebellious son who comes to learn to love his father. There's the racist guy who hates all blacks who comes to learn to love people of all skin colours. The French soldier concerned how he's dressed on the battlefield. The overwhelmed preacher who learns to fight like a man. Is this reflective of the diversity of America or predictable crap?

Now, the British. Yet again (yawn), everyone from my race is depicted as a bloodthirsty, pompous arsehole that likes snooty things and detests "real" Americans and their commoner ways.

There's two Brit "stereotypes" in The Patriot. There's Cornwallis, an obnoxious, scheming git who isn't against using a maniacal cavalryman to go round killing Americans. I was waiting for a shot of him rubbing his hands together - "Mwah ha ha ha!" - as his Redcoats battled against the militias. The other Brit is that maniacal cavalryman. He's got long hair so he must be evil and sneers at everyone and everything.

Joking apart, this was one nasty film. The British (who banned slavery in the UK in 1772 and fought the slave trade long before the Americans did) are more cruel to blacks in the film than the Americans are. Not only that - in a plot line that beggars any belief - the Gibson character doesn't own any slaves. His plantation is worked by free black men who make an honest living and are grateful for it. The black workers return to the razed plantation to commence building "the new world", starting with the plantation house. Yeah! I bet they did.

Tell the TRUTH about what went on.

Neil :)

by tomsal

...(and show me where I'm wrong please...seriously)...the movie wasn't made as a history lesson, it wasn't preceeded with a stamp during the opening credits "Based on a true story". When you look up the movie in BlockBuster its not in the "non-fiction" category.

If the movie had been sold as a history lesson, as "based on a true story" or categorized as non-fiction then I'd absolutely be standing behind you on your points.

And just as I'm told we Americans get too uptight over the defense of our country...well in a situation like this I think non-Americans get too wound up with something that is posed as strict entertainment.

And the Patriot was an entertaining film. At least to me.

by tomsal

Not to mention the fact that walmarts smell like a$$ and the quality of most things they sell I have found to be sub-par.

(Gee so that's why the stuff is cheap...yeah Einstein because its make like trash too).

by jmgarvin

Remember the poor girl that was kidnapped and killed outside of a Wal-Mart? She was walking to her car after her shift and was grabbed. The killer was hanging around the parking lot for 3 hours before he kidnapped her!!! The security did NOTHING.

Wal-Mart also makes their employees work over-time off the clock. If you don't, you're fired! It also tries anti-competetive practices like selling at cost (no chance to make a profit) so that more people will come in. It ruins communities and kills mom and pop stores.

The place is trying to be the only retail outlet available. Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather pay more at Target or a mall than buy shoddy quality crap from them.

by maecuff

While Walmart does provide benefits for full time employees, they schedule people to work the max amount of hours allowed and still be considered part time. They are scum. I'll take Big Lots any day. They have crap, too, but they are cheaper.

by mrafrohead

You get what you pay for. But when you only have a few bucks to buy something, it works until you can "upgrade"...

Though I don't know how the stores in y'alls areas are. Ours are clean and bright and nice...

All of them...

Now the K-marts here, that sounds more like what you're talking about to me...

by jamesrl

Maybe because they have been here less than 10 years, Canadian Walmarts are clean and bright.

KMarts no longer exist, they were a little more run down.

James

by tomsal

There are several BorgMarts near my area (referring to within a 20 mile radius).

All of them save for 2 are filthy, they smell like a mix of wet dog and toe jam and pretty um what's the pc term for white trash? Ahh screw it....lots of "white trash-like" customers go to the stores.

There are however two nicer BorgMarts within 5 miles of me..they have nice landscaping outside their store flowers, green grass.etc.

Surprise surprise though they are in affluent areas where you see BMW's, Mercedes' and Jag's as common as you'd see Ford's and Chevy's elsewhere.

The people that go there are more business-type people, better dressed and all.

I stil hate those nice BorgMarts just the same but if I absolutely positively had to go to a BorgMart it would be the nicer ones.

(of course)

K-mart...I don't know what it is about that store but I just think they all smell like old socks or something.

There is one right in the same strip as my favorite "software store" -- EBGames, within walking distance of my house...I go there only because its next to EBGames (which 90% of the times for me being in that plaza is because I'm getting a game there).

Even then I have a mental clock running in those stores....10 minutes and I'm out the door! :)

by Member 25348569

It is the worst of "America" that you are exporting around the world. They're EVERYWHERE.

and the food is absolute sh:t.

and why do they always show people eating a "Big " Mac with two hands when you can hold the damn thing between finger and thumb!

and I'll stop because I'm making myself hungry!

Ah1 time for some fish and chips! If I can find a chippy that hasn't become some clone of McD or KFC.

Grrrrr!

by jmgarvin

Only McD's that had decent staff and food you could eat without dying....

In America the McDs suck. They have bad staff and they pay like poo. The thing that needs to happen is something like In and Out Burger. They start their pay at $9/hour (IIRC) and treat the high school kids WELL. If other joints would take that road, it would be far better.

by mrafrohead

But to answer your questions, here's my opinion on them...

"If you go somewhere that treats people badly, do you go back?"

If I see it and form my own opinion of what really happened, then NO.

"If you go somewhere that you get bad servcie, do you go back?"

Absolutely not. Hence why I won't go to K-Mart anymore... Or half the other business's in my area, including a lot of Mom and Pops stores.

"If you go somewhere that RIGHT NOW has class action suits against it because the were MAKING people do more work AFTER they punch out, do you go back? How about that they would also CHANGE peoples timecards?"

I was well aware of the class action suits regarding the overtime, though not about them "changing" timecards. In regards to the time cards, I honestly hope that that isn't the case. That's pretty low.

In regards to the schmucks that were working overtime and not getting paid for it. Well, I don't see that as the companies fault as much as I see it as the employee's fault. The employee's should have told their managers to go and F themselves... If people had some freaking backbone now a days, this wouldn't be an issue.

"A Borgmart is bad for any community they go in, because people only look at the VERY short term of I got a cheap piece of crap really cheap. What happens when no one but Borgmart makes any money and everyone else is now working minimum wage jobs?

Last Christmas, many toy manufacturers started doing exclusive toy deals with other distributors because Borgmart was selling toys at cost to get people in the stores. This devalued the toys and made it so they wouldn't sell at other stores. Once you get so there in only one customer for your goods, they can then dictate to you what you will sell them for."

In regards to these: Well I can't argue them, because you're right. BUT I will say that with my shitty paycheck, their cheap prices allow my kids to eat. SO - that's just that.

And in regards to customer service, I ALWAYS only see happy employees there that are happy with their jobs. At least that how it seems to me. Genuine smiles on their faces and happiness in their eyes (like Costco Employees) and that to me says a lot. The customer service that I get there is consistently good. They have NEVER pissed me off unlike most other stores.

My experiences there speak more than what I read in the paper...

fr0

by mrafrohead

Your whole statement hit Corporate America on the head.

That's why a lot of companies will hire twice as many part time employees instead of a few full time. To not have to pay those bennies...

Shitty eh???

And they do it because they can.

To fix it, people need to stop WORKING there more than people need to stop SHOPPING there...

If there isn't anyone to man the store, then there isn't anyone to sell the products, therefore the store will ultimately have to close.

Just my opinion...

by m_a_r_k

About a year ago I heard a story about a similar lawsuit filed by Microsoft. A 17-year old kid name Mike Rowe was using the domain name MikeRoweSoft.com (http://www.mikerowesoft.com). Microsoft sued the enterprising youngster for some sort of copyright infringement or some kind of crap like that. Young Mike didn't back down. The two warring parties eventually settled out of court. Our hero Mike was awarded a free X-Box and 10 free games and a free trip to some sort of Microsoft Junior Techie convention where he met Satan himself, Bill Gates. All's well that ends well.

by m_a_r_k

...that Microsoft's initial offer to Mike was $100 to cease and desist and give Microsoft control of the domain name. Mike told them to go to hell. haha

by aldanatech

His name was also Mike and he was an independent systems developer. He named his business Mikesoft but he never got a lawsuit from Microsoft.

by aldanatech

McDonalds really crossed the line this time, so I don't think I'll buy any of their stuff for a long time, long time. Oh well, their food is so bad that I only go there when there is absolutely nothing else to choose from, so it won't make that much of a difference.

by montgomery gator

Aldana, we agree on something!! Pigs are flying and demons are ice skating in Hades!!! :-)

Anyway, I was never much of one for McDonalds, anyway. Not only is their food of low quality, I can't stand Ronald McDonald and all the McDonaldland characters, even when I was a little kid.

At last, an issue that can unite people of all political persuasions!!! Just say no to the "Royale with Cheese", as they call the Quarter Pounder in France.

by aldanatech

Well, you know Tom that just about everyone can find something to agree on, whether that would be the quality of a restaurant or something. I also agree with your view of the McDonaldland characters. I always found them to be no more than a cheap and annoying marketing concept.

by Member 25348569

So many of your fellow countrymen appeared to believe this sort of thing as gospel truth. My own experience in a US bar showed that.

The film was not, I accept, prefixed "Based on a true story" but to suggest that as a total get-out is a bit disingenuous. It also wasn't prefixed "This is fiction and we're just showing the British as sh:ts because there's now way we can get any Arabs in the story" but perhaps it should have been.

The story could have been a little closer to history and could have avoided - for instance - the scene where the church full of people was burnt.

If you are all so proud of your history then tell it as it was! It's not only your history, though, it's ours in this case.

Just my 2p's worth.

Neil

by oz_media

It is a work of fiction and people such as yourself will undestand that and take it with a grain of entertainment salt.

MANY do not though, many people really think this is how things worked. From what I understand, US history classes aren't much different.

A good friend that I used to work with was a former history prof at UCLA. He quit because he couldn't find enough truth in the texts he was supposed to teach and that they completely ignored or twisted how the rest of the worl was portrayed. This was University level American History.

Not to say it's ALL crap, but it seems that it is delicately reiterated to only show the positive and valiant light of America's development/uprising as a nation.

SO when these 'students' then see a movie like The Patriot, they follow it as if it IS real and developed based on true accounts. WHat actually IS real and what isn't is too hard to determine sometimes and people take it as history.

by jck

Next time you're in FL, look me up.

I'll go to a bar with you, and I guarantee pretty much no one will mess with you (other than cops or bouncers).

Just don't get rowdy and start talking about what tossers the bloody yanks are... ;)

by tomsal

that some dumba$$ American citizens (specifically stated in this case because the movie in question was botching the history of the Brits and US) believe everything they see on tv as the truth.

Yep US history books in schools rarely *very* rarely tell the "bad things" that our (US) soldiers/armies did in these wars.

If they do its presented like one little 8 sentence paragraph out of a 50 page chapter.

The closest I ever experienced a history class in school that I felt was closer to the truth than any other American history class I've attended was in junior high, the teacher's name I still remember because he was one of my favorite teachers ever. Mr. Walsh.

He actually made learning history fun. He'd slam our history books closed at certain points and lead off a speech with "now that's what your books say but this is what history said.."...

It was a cool class.

I wish more teachers were like him.

by montgomery gator

Some of my ancestors were in South Carolina at the time (the setting for "The Patriot"), and family history told me that both sides treated each other horribly. One of my ancestors sided with the revolution, and was hanged by loyalists in Port Royal, SC. Another of my ancestors was a loyalist, a captain in the loyalist militia, and was threatened to have his land taken away (or worse) if he did not switch sides.

by dmambo

I'm one of the few people who can actually pronounce the "th" blend (i.e. not French Canadian) and has actually eaten poutine. I survived if from LaFleur's and I'm proud of it.

Now, as far as your smear of Vermont, the home of the best Maple Syrup in the world, you can just stay up in your flat Ontario (or as I like to refer to it Nebraska of the North) with all it's straight roads and boring blue on white license plates. You know what else? The Voyaguers were pu$$ies.

[Stands back and basks in the virtual applause of the TR community]

by itgirli

I think that we can still go in to use the bathroom, only if a member of their staff questions you, tell them that you ate at another McDonalds and that is why you have to use their bathroom.

by tomsal

Yeah but what non-fiction movies DO put such a disclaimer that the movie you are about to see is rubbish or "this movie is basically BS made purely for your entertainment".

So your spin can be taken in the other direction too. And to be fair to one movie -- then ALL movies should have disclaimers at the start if they are fiction or not.

And how silly would that seem if that trend caught on.

No I think the dumb people who believe everything they see are the root of the problem.

by Member 25348569

It's the same everywhere. In France, they think that they WON the Battle of Waterloo and it's very difficult to shake them.

Most Brits that we won the Battle of Britain but if you study history you find that, really, the Germans lost it by switching the bombing from airfields to cities.

We reckon we won WWII, you reckon that YOU won it but really the Russians won it for us.

History is written by the victors.

by melar

Who makes decisions like this?

And how the hell did they dress themselves this morning, let alone get to the position where they can make these decisions?

by rstals

... we cared about the health of our bodies as much as our ideologies none of us would be eating at McDonalds.

by itgirli

Very good point.
I really have nothing to say to that. wow. I couldn't agree more.

by m_a_r_k

ITgirli is actually speechless? WOW! I've been a TR member for a whole week but I'm already thinking this is one of the very few times I'm ever going to see where girli has no opinion on something. haha ;)

by jck

I'll say something and she'll go off like Old Faithful again ]:)

by m_a_r_k

You were right, jck. She did go off pretty good in the divorce discussion. I'm glad you warned me. I wore plenty of protective gear and was ready for the onslaught. Four more tropical storms and we get to the 'I' name. The 'I' is going to be a female name this year. Maybe we should start a lobbying campaign to name it Hurricane ITgirli. :D Hell, the 'G' will be a female name, too. How about Hurricane Girli? :D :D

by jck

Neil at NOAA and see what I can do about it.

Til then, I think we're stuck with the names...I'm telling you...Franklin is gonna come down on FL...hard.

by generalist

Could there be a remote chance that McD is planning on bringing out certain germain sausages known as brats?

Still, there are some groups that are more than a little overzealous when it comes to protecting their trademarks.