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by tig2

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On Sunday morning we woke to the news of a tornado touchdown about 30 miles from where we live. At the same time, there was an "Amber Alert" about a 4 year old boy. He is blind, has CP and is epilleptic. Guy who took him knew all that. The guy is a level 3 sex offender.

Mom KNEW he was a sex offender (young boys) but allowed this man to live with her and her young child.

Guy went missing with the kid at about midnight in north MN. Just before that, a tornado hit a western suburb of MN killing a 10 year old when the house she was in was destroyed.

I was hunting (on Sa) in one of the places that the SOB who took that child was in. My neighbours aided the police in finding the child.

I am SO angry... This craphead needs to come visit ME! Can we all say "grease spot"??????

Partner and I woke up to this- as well as the news that people were out of their homes in a community close by. We were woken up by a tornado siren at 11:00 p.m.

The four year old blind child was returned to his mother after Police found him with his MOTHER'S BOYFRIEND- a level 3 sex offender yesterday morning.

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME!!????????!!

I was in the area that this occurred im. If I had seen him and known what was going on,, the perp would not be breathing. The blind, epileptic child was returned to his mother- who is obviously SO clued in...

I am angry and want to hit something. All I can think of is this 4 year old kid. He's blind, has CP and is eplleptic.

My partner's nephew is autistic. We are all careful for him. I don't even want to think if it had been him...

But if it had been, I personally woud have killed the bastard- assuming my partner and his brothers didn't beat me to it

My heart is breaking for this child. His mother obviously doesn't give a d@mn - all she cares is that she has her meal ticket back. Perhaps I am being uncharitable. I don't think so.

Maxwell, give me an opinion here! I think that the mother is equally culpable. What do you think?

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by w2ktechman

The mother obviously was not looking out for her child if she knew that this guy was a sex offender of young boys. What the heck was she thinking.
I would be surprised if the mother was not charged with endangering her child.

by tonythetiger

would certainly think so, but it doesn't happen often enough!

And if they do take the child, they often ask the parent where they want the child to go.... Duh.... if the parent is not fit to care for the child, they're not going to be fit to decide who should!

I think all these cases should go in front of juries!

by lyricster

Judges are too soft,scared and busy to do step up and do anything anymore.

Political correctness, tolerance, greed and ego maniacs are Destroying these United States.

What happened to an eye for an eye, caring and getting involved to help others... those days are long gone

These things should NEVER happen

by maecuff

she will (or at least should) be charged with SOMETHING. Endangerment or neglect? I don't know. Did she kidnap the child? No. Is she a sex offender? (I'm assuming, no). I don't profess to know what the laws are for this sort of thing, but I would think the person who did the abducting would be charged at a much more severe level.

With that being said? Personally, I find the mother MORE culpable. It's her JOB to keep her child safe. Especially one who is COMPLETELY defenseless. How dare she? I would NEVER allow sex offender anywhere NEAR my child, much less, date him. What a complete and utter moron. As far as an explanation goes? I've said it before and I'll say it again, for the most part, people suck.

by maxwell edison

Or more accurately, I don't know what to do when kids suffer because they have stupid parents. Is that mother culpable as well? Heck, I don't know. I don't know enough about the circumstances to make that call. In fact, I don't know anything about it except from the news account I read when I did an Internet search for the story (just now), and that didn't say too much.

http://www.startribune.com/462/story/682601.html

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/state/minnesota/15543224.htm

I wouldn't necessarily jump to conclusions, however. Unless you know a lot more than I do, I wouldn't automatically say that his mother doesn't care. In both stories it says that he failed to register as a sex offender. Perhaps that's a little tidbit he failed to mention to her as well. Who knows? I do know one thing, though. When I let my emotions lead me to a conclusion, there's usually more to it than what appears on the surface.

Generally speaking, I believe that known sex offenders -- and especially serial pedophiles -- should be locked up and never see the light of day again. But that'll probably never happen, at least not as long as the ACLU has any say in the matter.

And in this case, if the mother knowingly released her child into the care of a known pedophile, then yes, I suppose she should be held culpable as well. But it's the "knowingly" part that's both unknown and a matter of interpretation. Otherwise smart people can be duped, especially when romance is involved. How many "reformed spouse abusers", for example, are given the benefit of the doubt by the woman who will be his next abuse victim? How many married guys get divorced so they can marry their mistress, only to find themselves on the receiving end of a new cheating song?

As a side-note: I rarely make judgement calls on any case such as this, or any number of court cases or investigations in progress. I'm not privy to investigation information, and I'm not sitting on the jury. How can I make a judgement call on something if I don't have all the facts (or any of the facts)? The answer is, I can't. And as I'm sure you know, I have a huge mistrust of the media, not only because the media-types and media outlets continually advance an agenda of their own, but also because of the sensationalizing that intentionally tugs at people's emotions. Often times the media doesn't simply report a story, but they actually try to influence public sentiment and opinion.

So the bottom line is, I just don't know.

by mjd420nova

And never will. Some insist that these people be given another chance. Let them have a chance with your child involved, not mine. They should be eliminated so they will never EVER commit those crimes again. They seldom last long in jail either, even criminals hate the pedophiles and will off them the first chance they get. What are they doing being released into the public again??? Sorry to hear about the tornado in the Minneapolis area, I used to live there and experienced two of them first hand. It is one terrible thing to have a house removed from over your head while you are still in it. Once under a very heavy table and another in the bathtub. Scary stuff.

by jdclyde

Is child neglect, a form of child abuse.

Letters to the editor, lots of them, might get some people to notice. Once it is in the media it is harder for the local politicians and police to ignore the cases they can't be bothered with.

by onbliss

The weather channel that I was watching alerted me to this amber alert. The man must be way twisted to do something like this to a 4 yr old. Especially to a young child with those disabilities :-(

If you had met him in your hunting trip, and had had a shooting "accident", I would have been okay with it.

by consult#1

I think that the mother is as guilty as the degenerate boyfriend. Exposing a child to such danger is incomprehensible.

Unless there is something wrong mentally with this woman (she might have a problem too and the guy took advantage), her son should be removed from her care, placed in a safe home, and she should be sent to prison for a while so maybe she can realize what she has done...or does she even care?? She may be a sociopath too like her sicko boyfriend.

Speaking of sicko and pervert...I don't even want to mention what I think his punishment should be. I sure hope they put him away for life so he doesn't hurt any more inocent children.

by mjwx

Max and I would be of similar minds here.

What we have is some woman who has given birth but cares not to be a mother. No this person does not need your charity.

I think "need" is the wrong word for charity. A person who is down on his luck and has been evicted could use your charity.

Someone who has lost everything to a storm or earthquake could use your charity.

A starving child in Uganda needs an education, which can be provided through a (non religious) charity.

Charity is good to push someone into self sufficiency. If they fall from there its their own fault.

These are just my opinions so feel free to disregard them.

by x-marcap

Personally, I think it is often the religious schools that have the best education for grade school and secondary schools. If one cannot homeschool, Quite often, the religious schools are the best schools in many locales.

In some other areas the religious schools are the only decent option, or only viable option. See Cleveland City Schools, New York City schools for a reference.

Why don?t you quit throwing the anti-religious card so often?

by maxwell edison

That guy's an Australian who's never even been to the USA, and he derives his view of the USA from movies and TV shows, so he knows more about life in America than you and I could ever hope to know.

by mjwx

There is more preaching than education. Glad I got out in year 2.

As Max pointed out I am an Australian, We have one of the best education systems in the world. Now from my experiences if religion provides more education than a preach-free public education than you are in dire straits indeed.

With religious "education" in Africa its more "accept god and get food" than actual teachers. I've known a died in the wool preacher who came back discussed from a "mission" to Africa. Yes I have religious friends, they are quiet good blokes although we don?t see eye to eye often.

Fair enough, in US and AU we have decent religious schools but this is a far cry to what goes on where there is no-one watching the watchmen (In AU at least religious schools [b]have[/b] to maintain the same standards of education as every other school).

Now as for my bias, I am anti-organised religion but this is because of my experiences and firm belief that everybody has the right to [b]choose[/b] their own religion. This passionate belief was spurred by my time being lectured by various preachers. Well that?s why I have my extreme dislike of preaching, not so much religion but having the religion of others forced on others.

by maxwell edison

First of all, you (and apparently everyone else in this thread) has made a huge assumption that this mother doesn't care about her child; and you've also assumed that she knew her boyfriend was a registered sex offender. He is , after all, also being charged with failing to register as a sex offender in this particular location; perhaps he failed to register that little tidbit with her as well. The details available to us are sketchy, at best, and we really know very little about the story. If you know more than what's included in the stories we've seen (if you even read them) -- stories to which I provided some links -- please enlighten us, and share with us the information on which you've based your opinion.

Second of all, I think we may be defining "charity" differently. I define charity as one person freely giving his or her time, money, or other service or property to another person he/she deems needy and worthy. For some reason, I have a sneaking suspicion that you might define it as forcing one person to do it through a government broker.

Third of all, I might suggest that what needy people in Uganda (or any other number of places around the globe) might need is much more than just charity and an education; and it would start with an environment that's free from oppression, tribal skirmishes, genocide, and ethnic cleansing, in favor of more respect for human rights, human dignity, and both personal and economic freedom. Without that, all the "charity" in the world, forced or voluntary, is an abysmal waste of time, money and effort, and only serves to give people the false impression that they're actually helping.

My guess is that we actually agree on very little.

by tonythetiger

she cares [b]about[/b] the child is irrelevant. Whether she was negligent in caring [b]for[/b] the child is at issue. 'Make no assumptions' is correct, but when there is a bad outcome, the reasons why should be investigated, and the cause dealt with.

by tony hopkinson

I've seen this several times.
The he's cured, he's sorry or he'd never do it to my child syndrome.
I can't believe how anyone can be so stupid as to believe crap like this.

Child abuse is not a question of crossing a line, it's that there is no line.

Yes the woman is culpable, the child is better off without her, she is not protecting him.

Personally I wouldn't willing let a pedo near a child if he was gagged, chained, encased in a concrete block and on the other side of a very thick wall, but I'm known for being a tad extreme on this issue.

by premdas679

Its time the human species stop deluding themselves that they are more than the other species that exist on this our planet. I blame the Religions for propagating this erronous belief that a human life is sacred, that the capital punishment is evil. This belief has resulted in a human population exploding beyond the capacity of this planet.
I say let it be the death sentence for even spitting on te sidewalk

by maxwell edison

....and how did you arrive at that number?

And if you espouse the death penalty "for even spitting on te (sic) sidewalk", should it be administered to people who can't write a grammatically correct paragraph as well?

by nicknielsen

Please?

Edit to add all of these folks, too!

As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list--I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed--who never would be missed!

There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs--
All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs--
All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat--
All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like that--
And all third persons who on spoiling tete-a-tetes insist--
They'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed!

He's got 'em on the list--he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed--they'll none of 'em be missed.

There's the banjo serenader, and the others of his race,
And the piano-organist--I've got him on the list!
And the people who eat peppermint and puff it in your face,
They never would be missed--they never would be missed!
Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone,
All centuries but this, and every country but his own;
And the lady from the provinces, who dresses like a guy,
And who "doesn't think she waltzes, but would rather like to try";
And that singular anomaly, the lady novelist--
I don't think she'd be missed--I'm sure she'd not he missed!

He's got her on the list--he's got her on the list;
And I don't think she'll be missed--I'm sure she'll not be missed!

And that Nisi Prius nuisance, who just now is rather rife,
The Judicial humorist--I've got him on the list!
All funny fellows, comic men, and clowns of private life--
They'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed.
And apologetic statesmen of a compromising kind,
Such as--What d'ye call him--Thing'em-bob, and likewise--Never-mind,
And 'St--'st--'st--and What's-his-name, and also You-know-who--
The task of filling up the blanks I'd rather leave to you.
But it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list,
For they'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed!

You may put 'em on the list--you may put 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed--they'll none of 'em be missed!

-- W. S. Gilbert

by x-marcap

The Christians and most religious people know that there is a time to kill.

It is the same people of liberal bent who are pro-abortion that are the most likely to try to prevent the Death Penalty from ever being completed. This is a political issue that is not supported by many religious people, we just want to be sure we have the right bad guy. Sometimes, there are people who are tried and convicted who are innocent of the crime for which they are accused and convicted. They often may deserve the death penalty, but not for the charges that were levied against them.

by jdclyde

In case you haven't been paying attention (which obviously you haven't) it is the anti-religious liberals in America that are against capital punishment while they ARE in favor of abortions in bulk. (not everyone, but enough that they are both party issues)

Wish there was capital punishment? Stop voting liberal, and/or move to Texas.

by zlitocook

Who is a pedophile, (that is for children not the guy who was eighteen and had sex with a seventeen year old girl.) Should be put in a place where they never get to see children and be tagged with a sensor so the police know where they are. And if they leave the area with out permission an alarm will go off, so the police can track them.
I also think there is a special place in H3ll for the people who mistreat kids or mistreat or kill pets. I like animals more then most people.
And yes I would react badly to someone that I knew doing any thing like this!

by jdclyde

I think we could learn something from that show and apply it to modern law enforcement and future prevention.

by maxwell edison

Great minds think alike!

Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting that she didn't know about the guy's history, but we don't know for sure that she did.

by mjwx

Well if I were to draw you as the typical american I would have a far worse opinion or your nation.

Fortunatly I have found that there are many other fine people in and from your nation.

Rotten apples eh,

Now Maxie boy scarcasm does not become you, Flame me all you wish I shant reply. Frankly I have better things to do

by maxwell edison

Thanks for the kind words. As to our Australian friend, we've gone round-and-round a few times, and he's proven to be a pompous and condescending ...... (put the hammer down, Maxwell) ..... not to mention terribly ignorant in so many ways. For example, he really did tell us, in all seriousness, that he formed his opinion of the USA through the movies, and even cited [i]Apocalypse Now[/i] as his reference to explaining Vietnam.

It's interesting that he called my message a "flame". That wasn't a flame. It was more like an editorial cartoon. And the only person who apparently fails to see the sarcasm or humor is the one about whom it's drawn. I guess I hit that one outta' the park. (A little baseball lingo for our American friends in the midst of a pennant race.)

by mjwx

Max and I have a history of "disagreement" which can sometimes get rather heated.

I don?t bear grudges and I'm sure max isn?t all bad :) .

I generally try to be civil event to those I disagree with but sometimes I get incensed and lash out, I'm only human so forgive me.

When I said "people in government" I meant politicians themselves. To me (and I would wager most Australian) the armed forces and its personnel are not considered to be "in the government" as would be a career politician.

I can assure you that Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen receive the respect they are due, just visit your (our) local RSL club.

by tonythetiger

is that a Judge may not even get to hear about this kind of thing until it's to the point where criminal charges have to be levied. The way child protective services are run seems to be a violation of separation of powers, since they are often the judge, jury, and executor.

It seems like it should be simple: Each state has a legal definition of abuse and neglect on the books. If a parent is alleged to be doing something that meets this definition, they should be charged, prosecuted, and judged the same as any other accused criminal.

by Member 25348569

For our Aussie friend that would be "hit for six".

(Cricket, don't you know)

Neil

p.s. Whatever you are, you're certainly [b]not[/b] a "Maxie" :^0

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