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Iran and Nukes ? Who woulda thunk it

By ProtiusX ·
Here are some links that show that Iran is attempting to develop Nuclear Weapons.

World Net Daily
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41549

Colin Powell offers evidence of Iran?s attempt to acquire missile technology
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6516658/

Iran refuses to stop Enrichment
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3670018.stm

Now I wonder what they?re going to do with Nuclear Weapons once they acquire them?

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I think their first plan was to deter Saddam, but now, it's deter us

by DelbertPGH In reply to Iran and Nukes ? Who woul ...

After losing 600,000 men fighting Saddam, they probably figured they needed an edge. But once Saddam looked like he was done for, GWB proclaims them the axis of evil, and I suppose they now want something that guarantees we won't attack. A couple of atomic bombs would make a mess out of our ground and sea movements in the gulf.

However, the guys who run Iran are a genuinely scary bunch. They are religious hard cases. God leaves them messages under their pillows at night, telling them what crazy things they should do the next day. They might decide they should attack Israel, or protect their Shiite brethern in southern Iraq (and all that oil, too). Or they might just decide that holding the bomb is proof against retaliation, and would be free to support freelance jihadi murderers around the world.

I doubt that they would give an a-bomb to terrorists. The things are just too precious and hard to get, and the consequences of them being used by some irresponsible Al Qaida type are just too grave. If Teheran supplied somebody the bomb to **** up Baltimore, we'd **** Teheran.

But all the other stuff they could do is bad enough. It makes for great instability in the most strategic region in the world, and once they have a nuke, it reduces our freedom to act against them.

Am I missing something, or has GWB really screwed this up?

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Iran's Bomb is Safe from Bush

by Bucky Kaufman (MCSD) In reply to I think their first plan ...

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I doubt that they would give an a-bomb to terrorists.
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I so disagree. bin Laden got permission from the elders to use a nuclear weapon against the US. He got that permission because he was able to make the case that America is not just waging a war against terrorism - but against Islam.

While our elected leaders say that's not true - he was able to point out a zillion instances where our theological leaders have said it is true - that the war against terrorism IS a war against Islam.

So, if Iran develops a bomb, and they think bin Laden can deliver it to its intended target, they will most certainly hand it over to him.

Bush knows this, and I think he's okay with it. He's made NO effort to strike against Iran's weapons facilities, even though we know where they are.

I think the reason he's okay with it has to do with his belief that he somehow enjoys a special relationship with his gods. His faith teaches that Muslims and Christians *should* be at war with each other and that his problem with not having enough troops will be solved when God reanimates all the dead christians and conscripts them into this holy war.

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well bucky......this is what you said and I quote

by Packet Spoofer In reply to Iran's Bomb is Safe from ...

Bush knows this, and I think he's okay with it. He's made NO effort to strike against Iran's weapons facilities, even though we know where they are.
You sound exactly like John kerry and bill clinton and ted kennedy about iraqi wmd......your confidence is astounding on this.....You actually believe our government has valid intelligence!? wow....you need one of those head arse dislodging devices.....I will chip in a few bucks.....

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Wow!

by ProtiusX In reply to Iran's Bomb is Safe from ...

I wasn?t aware that you were so versed in President Bush?s religion and so closely connected with the man that you know exactly what his agenda is. You are amazing. You have an answer for everything.

Not only that but you also have close relations with Osama Bin Laden and the hierarchy of the Islamic faith. Wow you really are an important person!
I for one can?t wait until your next post. You should create a website where admirers such as myself could go and read your nuggets of insight.

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Web

by Bucky Kaufman (MCSD) In reply to Wow!

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You should create a website where admirers such as myself could go and read your nuggets of insight.
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Didn't you say you did this? I'd be interested to read it.

Personally, I don't build web sites for myself. That's a gamble I'm only willing to take with OPM funding.

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Realpolitik and Iran

by DelbertPGH In reply to Iran's Bomb is Safe from ...

I don't see signs that Iran's leaders want to carry war against the U.S. and the West outside of the Middle East. If they work hard over years to build a nuclear weapon, spend billions and endure expensive diplomatic and economic retaliation, why would they give it to some over-the-edge crackpot like Bin Laden? Osama has his own agenda, different from Iran's. Osama is a Sunni, and deep down, he thinks Shias are dogs. Iran is a Shia theocratic state. If Iran wanted for some crazy reason to deliver a nuclear weapon across the ocean, why would they put their fate in Al Qaida's hands? It makes no sense.

I think that Iran would like to exert influence over Iraq and Kuwait, because they have Shia majority populations and lots of oil, and over Afghanistan, because it is swarming with criminal and security problems, not to mention the CIA. Probably their biggest reason for wanting a bomb is having American troops on two of its borders, while George Bush calls them the axis of evil. They probably think that GWB would not send his army out to eliminate another government if that army faced nukes. They're probably right.

It looks to me like Iran is looking for security guarantees. Seems like we ought to do everything we can to reassure them that we'll be sweet if they don't build nukes. Our other options don't favor us.

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War against Iran

by Bucky Kaufman (MCSD) In reply to Realpolitik and Iran

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why would they give it to some over-the-edge crackpot like Bin Laden? Osama has his own agenda, different from Iran's.
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The answer is simple - to strike at America. The President has been leading a faith-based war movement against them - so it's only logical that they would want to be able to decide when and where that war would be fought.

It's not like there's anything they can do to avoid war. *Nothing* they do could possibly deter Bush's Republican Guard.

The only thing that will stop the Bush Oil Crusades, overextended as it is, is to eliminate his war-making resources. Nuking Langley would go a long way toward that goal.

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by DelbertPGH In reply to War against Iran

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The answer is simple - to strike at America. The President has been leading a faith-based war movement against them - so it's only logical that they would want to be able to decide when and where that war would be fought.
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Why would they want to strike at America? For the sake of global religious supremacy? My impression is they are primarily concerned about religion and life in Iran, not cleansing Bethesda of infidels. Besides, if they **** one bomb on our land, or supply Osama with the means to do the same, they know we will respond with a devasting attack, and it won't matter if they have extra bombs.

Figuring that the most important thing on your enemy's mind is you is just natural human egotism. Like anybody, your enemy thinks mostly of himself. Tip O'Neill said "all politics is local," and the U.S.A. is not in their neighborhood at all.

This is not to say that some pumped up Iranian crackpot wouldn't bomb Israel. But since Israel has 200 bombs and better delivery systems, probably they would hold back on that, too.

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Immediate Threat

by Bucky Kaufman (MCSD) In reply to

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Why would they want to strike at America? For the sake of global religious supremacy?
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No. For survivial. Americans call it "Pre-emptive defense". They *know* Bush will attack Iran if he gets the chance - just like he did in Iraq.

It doesn't matter if they do or do not have nukes - he's going to attack if he gets the chance.

Bush has made it clear that he wants to use Iraq as a jumping off point to wage war on more Islamic nations. It would be outrageously foolish for Iran to NOT take action to prevent it.

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I live in a crater. Good luck guys.

by house In reply to Iran and Nukes ? Who woul ...

I don't know if Iran should be considered a valid threat. Perhaps they just want to make sure that they have a bargaining tool when Bush admin, Saudi's, Asians, and whoever else starts drooling over their assets. Religion aside, every man has his influences...the current state of the world is our own.

Keep in mind that Iran is surrounded by threats to their own country. Look where they are on the map and look at all of their neighbors N, S, E, and W. I'd arm myself to the teeth too especially now with western influence scratching their butts next door.

I'm not trying to downplay the recent efforts in the Middle East. I'd just like to be able to visit without fearing their hate for the modern man. I think that this has only been amplified and not suppressed within the past couple of years.

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