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it has been a huge problem for 30 years and the Bush "regime" is finally fighting back

TechRepublic member "Scott Edstrom" claims, as do many NeoCons, that the Iraqis are terrorists.

This, of course, is not true - but it speaks to the hatred many in America's small towns and slave states share toward *anyone* with a Muslim background.

Bush made it *very* clear, many times, that the Iraqi people are not our enemies, and that the war against Iraq was about non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Occasionally he *slips up* and makes the claim that the war is against terrorists - but as we all know, the Iraqi people are not terrorists.

What do you think? Is it at all appropriate to demonize the Iraqi people as terrorists - or should the war of terror be focused on the ones who actually attacked us - al Quaeda?

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by house

I've never had an issue with an Iraqi. Then again, I'm a Canadian and we harbour terrorists right? Sorry; just a Bush thought.

Do you notice a difference in your daily routine; with or without war?

The armies that Bush is fighting right now were spawned by his "war" and are not all Saddam supporters.

Demonizing the Iraqi people is completely absurd. Any educated person will understand this.

Some quick points...

1) Check out the Democratic/Republican map of the USA. Tell me where the intelligent people are located.

2) If the ballots down there said "Bush" and "Not Bush", Kerry may have won.

3) Bush has the eyes of a solid coke addict who's gone 2 days without.

4) Why does Bin Laden only appear on video when Bush needs support?

I hope his trip here in Canada is a little easier than in Chile.

by namitswar

All Muslims are not terrorists.
But all terrorists are Muslims.

Thats why IRAQ could be a Problem.

by john.a.wills

What about the either atheist or Hindu communist terrorists in Nepal? What about the Rabbinical Jewish terrorists who make frequent raids into the 1967 Territories, destroying crops, houses, etc., and killing far more people than the mostly Muslim victims manage to kill in return? What about Timothy McVeigh? What about the Marti Front in El Salvador till about a decade ago? What about George Habash, a Christian? What about the largely Christian factions in the Tutsi/Hutu fighting? What about the IRA and ETA? Sendero Luminoso?

by bucky kaufman (mcsd)

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All Muslims are not terrorists.
But all terrorists are Muslims.
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Tim McVeigh was a Christian.
David Duke is a Christian.
Saddam's second in command was a Christian.

by aldanatech

According to the Christian Science Monitor, late on the Wednesday afternoon before the Thanksgiving holiday, the US Defense Department released a report by the Defense Science Board that is highly critical of the administration's efforts in the war on terror and in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

'Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies [the report says]. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states. Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy.'

The Pentagon released the study after The New York Times ran a story about the report in its Wednesday editions.

The Defense Science Board, reports Disinfopedia, is "a Federal advisory committee established to provide independent advice to the Secretary of Defense."

'The current Board is authorized to consist of thirty-two members plus seven ex officio members': the chairmen of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Policy, Ballistic Missile Defense Advisory Committee, and Defense Intelligence Agency Science and Technology Advisory Committee. 'Members, whose appointed terms range from one to four years, are selected on the basis of their preeminence in the fields of science, technology and its application to military operations, research, engineering, manufacturing and acquisition process.'

China's Xinhuanet reported that the board's report criticized the US for failing in its efforts to communicate its military and diplomatic actions to the world, and the Muslim world in particular, "but no public relations campaign can save America from flawed policies." The report also takes the administration to task for talking about Islamic extremism in a way that offends many Muslims.

In stark contrast to the cold war, the United States today is not seeking to contain a threatening state empire, but rather seeking to convert a broad movement within Islamic civilization to accept the value structure of Western Modernity ? an agenda hidden within the official rubric of a 'War on Terrorism,' [the report states].

MSNBC notes that the report, in a comment that directly goes against statements made by President Bush and senior cabinet members, says the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have united otherwise-divided Muslim extremists and given terrorists organizations like Al Qaeda a boost by "raising their stature."

In fact, Wired News reported the board as saying, the US has not only failed to separate "the vast majority of nonviolent Muslims from the radical-militant Islamist-Jihadists," but American efforts may have "achieved the opposite of what they intended."

Al Jazeera reported Thursday that the board called for the creation of a strategic communication's "apparatus" within the executive branch and "an overhaul of public diplomacy, public affairs and information dissemination efforts by the Pentagon and State Department."

If we really want to see the Muslim world as a whole [the report states], and the Arabic-speaking world in particular, move more toward our understanding of moderation and tolerance, we must reassure Muslims that this does not mean that they must submit to the American way.

As columnist Thomas Freidman of The New York Times wrote Monday in an opinion piece, the lack of planning and a 'clear channel of communication to the Muslim world' means that the US is losing the PR war to people that "saw off the heads of other Muslims."

Wars are fought for political ends. Soldiers can only do so much. And the last mile in every war is about claiming the political fruits. The bad guys in Iraq can lose every mile on every road, but if they beat America on the last mile ? because they are able to intimidate better than America is able to coordinate, protect, inform, invest and motivate ? they will win and America will lose.

The New York Times reported last Wednesday that although the board's report does not constitute official government policy, it captures "the essential themes of a debate that is now roiling not just the Defense Department but the entire United States government."

Source:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1129/dailyUpdate.html

http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2004-09-Strategic_Communication.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/24/politics/24info.html?oref=login&oref=login&oref=login&pagewanted=print&position=

http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Defense_Science_Board

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-11/25/content_2258781.htm

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6577524/

http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=954939&tw=wn_wire_story

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/67B9E924-7A3C-4CAE-BB6F-0CBA0D4C39D8.htm

http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/11/28/opinion/edfried.html

by protiusx

Terrorism is not bound by national, ethnic, or religious constraints. You can find terrorists pretty much in every country from Japan to Ireland. The Iraqi insurgents are fighting a guerilla war much like the Viet Cong did during the Vietnam War. And if any of the communists go off on me about how communism is such a wonderful thing or how Vietnam wasn?t really about communism they can tell it to my friend who is from Vietnam and whose father was killed by the Vietnamese government in 1978. He?d have a thing or two to say about it.
I am pretty sure you can find Terrorists even on Mars but you?ll have to ask Bucky about that one.

by bucky kaufman (mcsd)

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I am pretty sure you can find Terrorists even on Mars but you?ll have to ask Bucky about that one.
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Be careful there. You might find Bush citing your post as proof that he needs to spend *another* $200M bombing a desert.

by cortech

You are fcking nuts!!

re:"TechRepublic member "Scott Edstrom" claims, as do many NeoCons, that the Iraqis are terrorists."

Scott said no such thing. You are the most warped individual I think any of us have EVER run across.

To everyone else:
I've tried not to respond al-Bucky Zarquawi's threads because there is absolutely NO WAY to rationalize with him because he's a crazy person. But then he makes another outragious, absurd, provoking comment that it just sucks me in. Of course he'll say I'm a Bush lovin NeoCon, but I don't give a sht. He is just plain nuts.
BTW-to answer his question...I don't believe all Iraqis, or Muslims are terrorists. I do believe Bucky's a terrorist.

by ccollins

There are still Reds under the bed... Let's not lose direction here. The communist menace is just resting, waiting for the unwary...

by protiusx

I don?t think Bucky is waiting for anything. He openly espouses socialism in his posts. He may be posting from under his bed though? wearing his aluminum foil hat? speaking to LKJdswialwq from planet Thuresaondnisoa:o0

by bucky kaufman (mcsd)

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The communist menace is just resting, waiting for the unwary...
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An interesting think about such patently absurd statements is that, in light of the irrational chicken little statements made by Bush's most rabid supporters, it's hard to tell if you're joking.

I remember seeing an interview with the writer for West Wing. He said he tried to make wildly implausible scenes - because he didn't want the show to mirror reality too much. But as soon as he'd write something wildly implausible - the Bush Regime would *actually* do it.

As an example, I asked some folks if they believed the story about Ashcroft spending tax dollars to cover up Lady Liberty's exposed breast. They said they didn't believe it *really* happened... not in America.

by montgomery gator

It is true that most Iraqis are not terrorists, there are many fighting alongside US and other coalition forces, and are the second largest group of soldiers fighting with us against the terrorists. But there are many that are, fighting alongside foreign-born terrorists like Al-Zarqawi against the Iraqi people so that they can attempt to restore a Baathist type regime like under Saddam Hussein, and because (out of jealousy) they hate our freedom, democracy, and free-market capitalism that made us strong. The US, UK, Polish, Ukranian, etc. forces in the coalition are fighting together with the Iraqi government forces to make Iraq free. Of course, the Buckminster would know this if he put on an aluminum foil hat to block the alien transmissions from Omicron Seti 8, so that he could think clearly.

by packet spoofer

not purchase these tinfoil hats on the market as they may have pinholes, and as we know, pinholes can cause transmissions to infiltrate the cranium.....Bucky must make his own in order to avoid this possibility....Even planets as remote as Omicron Seti 8 can make it through pinholes in tinfoil hats if the planets in our solar system are misaligned! LMAO!

by bucky kaufman (mcsd)

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The US, UK, Polish, Ukranian, etc. forces in the coalition are fighting together with the Iraqi government forces to make Iraq free.
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Shouldn't we deal with the ones responsible for 9/11 first?

It's odd that you guys want to give bin Laden a free ride, in the name of fighting *against* terrorism.

by packet spoofer

On a tomohawk missle........
You can join him if you like.....since he is your buddy, and he is just fighting us because we have bad foreign policy and a bad terrorist like president.....bucky....I think you need to stop searching for Extra terrestrial intellegence, because you have not found any of your own "terrestrial" intelligence. You spout off anti bush leftist propaganda faster than Tedd Kennedy attempting to cross Chappaquiddic

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