Let's be nice to Oz ...

Actually Julian, I am flattered but somewhat embarrassed but thank you very much for your kind sentiment. HEY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING UP!!?? Aint it the wee hours? Maybe it's the new drugs they got you on, weeeeeeeee!

I was looking for the right place to post a SCARY statement that I read on smoking gun, I guess this'll do.

NOTE: This is the written complaint from a child accusing Michael Jackson of pedophillia, please do not read if you are offended by such things. It is truly GROSS what this child claims he has been subjected to.

http://tinyurl.com/vrsg

This man is NOT well, I don't feel that a child was pushed into writing this for monetary gain. He would be questioned and further interrogated, it just wouldn't hold up.

This is the boy who was paid (reported onsite as 15-40 million, I heard 23 in a recent interview).

Unfortunately, because this case has been settled out of court, it is VERY hard, especially against such lawyers to have this as admissible character evidence in today's proceedings.

An hour alone with THIS little boy would fix things and he'd be singing a much higher tune than normal.

Actually Julian, I do get a kick out of reading some of Oz's posts.

It is nice to have a "professional" flamer when a poster deserves to be flamed.

Heck, I have even seen Oz give some good answers in the Technical Q&A forum.

Truth be told, none of us are perfect and we should all accommodate each others peculiarities.

Chas

They are always unpredictable and lively, controversial, inflammatory, love it or hate it.

I am kind of a newbie with TR discussion groups. When I first started looking at the discussion group for Net Admins, I thought Oz was a group moderator because of all of his postings. I have to admire his dedication to keeping this group interesting.

However, it's fun to watch the bickering back and forth..I just don't get enough of it from my kids. So sure, be nice to Oz..just not TOO nice. Where's the fun in that?

I will be happy to throw my hat into the ring on this one Julian. I always have admired the way Oz is prepared to state what he thinks. I guess it makes it easier that I often tend to agree with him!!

I also admire the forthright attitude of Maxwell, even though I often disagree with him, and this makes it tougher for me, I still admire the fact that he is prepared to say it like he sees it.

The only problem in all of this is that we ( and I mean all of "we") often get blinded to the other's point of view, and I guess that is the important thing in all of this. We need to consider that Oz, and Colin, and you, and Max and most of the others, all have a legitimate point of view, and that if we can look at all of it in a balanced fashion, even if we disagree, we may just be able to learn from the others.

Then the moderator will have nothing to do!!

Cheers

Alan

I'll back you on that Julian, though I'm pretty sure at one time or another (but I've been around TR for a long time) Oz ripped me a new on in a discussion...I do admire his "say it like I see" perspective on things and I appreciate his sense of humor...yeah call me crazy but I have a strange sense of humor too...lol

So all let....
The Oz man cometh!!!

laters.

I really love the 10 - 20 bit but he should have explained to the court that he didn't know how to use a computer and blame the nasty neighbours.

That way he could have got rid of the kids and the neighbour from hell in the one shot.

Col

Oz has a forthright way of saying what he feels and weather you like or hate it he stands by his convictions without flinching one bit.

While there may be some things that I disagree with him on in these areas he defiantly has far more experience than me so I'll just defer to his opinion on most things like this as I really can't say anything differently for sure.

I have seen quite a few of his answers in the Q & A section and they are mostly correct though in some detail he could explain a bit better but then again the same can be said for all of us here, I think he may be allowing some level of technical knolledge that the person asking thequestion doesn't have. Also because of the time difference I'm one of the last to see these so now I generally just stear clear of them.

While I can stand the regulars having a go at him for his ideas what does really get to me is when someone who never particapates in any Q & A or discussions takes it into their heads to attack him for what he has said on one thread particuarly when there have been numerious other threads started by others that all say the exact same thing.

Yep I'll acknolledge I sometimes get carried away but generally it is with good reason and then there are my personal preducies that come into play as well so all in all keep it up OZ and do what you enjoy.

I for one would miss you're contributions if you ever decide to withdraw from TR as at the very least they are thought provoking.

Col

you forgot to list them as slightly used didn't you. The nabbed my wife for that so the next time I listed them as slightly used. No harm no foul and 35 buck apiece!!!

-duck

Okay jules I will cast my lot here but I must say I think this is a little silly. Oz is a big boy and can take care of himself and he and I made our peace long ago but what the heck. But no one be surprised when this thread turns into an ugly thing of people saying you are cowing to OZ.

I agree and I disagree with oz, if that is something that requires I post on this thread then here it is. But Oz knows where I stand and so this is a moot point =)

-duck

Oz is funny, annoying, odd, and controversial taking devils advocate stances. Some are pure humor, some fact, regarless of the intent the only time he is annoying is the sometimes banter with Max on side issues on who's going to get the better of who. Guys get a room already, you bicker like an old couple. LOL. Both post great stuff and I admit it is rather amusing at times but it gets too much. Other than that, them or any of us post our rantings is all good at anytime and it helps pass the day regardless of the opinion, thanks. Since we are complaining about others I AM REALLY TIRED OF HEARING BUY MY BOOK ALBATROSS. I'm glad you got published, it is rather a cool accomplishment but its getting old when you post it every so post. I am interested in your views not your plugs. I hope you sell well, I am not being sarcastic.

I'll have to give blunt objects a fair shake because shame, ridicule and name calling certainly hasn't gotten me anywhere.

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If being an asset to the discussion group includes running people off, people who were also assets to the discussion group, and people who once contributed but no longer do because of the flak they received.....

If being an asset to the discussion group includes incessantly insulting another's country and countrymen.....

If being an asset to the discussion group includes waving his own country's flag as much as he criticizes the flag of another's country.....

If being an asset to the discussion group includes stating falsehoods and building arguments based on those falsehoods.....

If being an asset to the discussion group includes dominating almost all discussions.....

If being an asset to the discussion group includes criticizing others for doing things that he does himself.....

If being an asset to the discussion group includes looking for every opportunity to levy an insult against certain targeted members.....

If being an asset to the discussion group includes acting like an expert on subjects about which he knows nothing.....

If being an asset to the discussion group includes being closed minded while proclaiming to be open minded.....

If being an asset to the discussion group includes being rude and crude, yet feeling justified in being that way.....

.....well, who am I to disagree?

This "New Oz", as you have described, might be compared to a mean drunk who's been "on the wagon" for only a few days. Sure, he might make nice-nice for a day or two while he's sober, but then he falls off the wagon and it's the same-old same-old all over again. The jury is still out, and recovery is a life-long process. So other than what I've already said too much of, I think I'll sit this discussion out.

Use Oranges in a sock. You can eat the evidence and they leave blunt non-descript injuries.

That aside, as thier mother, you may be still cooking for the hungry and unable to feed themselves (including your hubby), inwhich case poison is nice. You can just watch everyone quietly go to sleep and then watch whatever you choose to on the TV, without the screaming!

NOTE: I'm not implying you are a stay at home mom/homemaker but even women with full time, demanding careers are expected to cater as mothers always have. You may be independant and successful but you're still MOM.

'M'ean 'O'r 'M'asochistic - let the kids choose.

I ain't sayin' nuttin'!!

Was to bake a very nice rich cholate cake and put those little pieces of chockie on the top.

After th ekids have finished it off you ask did you enjoy it?

When they reply yes it was lovely you then say good all the chockie was laxatives so you'll be viviting the toliet for the next few days. It is amasing just what the power of suggestion really does.

Col

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Even though I said I would sit out this discussion, your message deserves a reply.

You are absolutely correct about my behavior when you first appeared in these threads (I'll let RoadDog speak for himself.), although I don't think I ever called you un-American. (That just wouldn't make sense.) However, I called you much worse, not only in these threads, but in a couple of flaming emails as well.

That behavior was totally unacceptable, completely unprofessional, and only served to present me, not you, in a negative light. If I failed to do so in the past, I apoligize for my completely unwarranted behavior. And rest assured, I punished myself by writing 100 times on the blackboard (actually it was a whiteboard), "I will never be rude to Colin Luck again. I will never be rude to Colin Luck again. I will never be rude........" You see, back when I was in grammar school, the nuns used to make us do that when we misbehaved. Of course, that was only after they rapped our knuckles with that stupid yard stick a few times. So if I need to be subjected to the second half of my punishment, I will rap my own knuckles with one of those stupid yard sticks. (I must have one around here someplace.)

Those flaming sessions seem like they took place a long time ago, however, and that dirty water has long passed under the bridge, at least I think it has. In the case of our Canadian friend, by contrast, the ashes left over from those flames are still well within sight of the bridge. Given time, perhaps those too will have floated down-stream far enough to become insignificant, as I trust is the case with us.

P.S. As an additional punishment, I'll promise to sing "Waltzing Matilda" all day.

Once a jolly swagman sat beside the billabong,
Under the shade of a coolibah tree,
And he sang as he sat and waited by the billabong
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me

Waltzing matilda, waltzing matilda
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me
And he sang as he sat and waited by the billabong
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me.

Down came a jumbuck to drink beside the billabong
Up jumped the swagman and seized him with glee
And he sang as he tucked jumbuck in his tuckerbag
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me

Waltzing matilda, waltzing matilda
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me
And he sang as he sat and waited by the billabong
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me.

Down came the stockman, riding on his thoroughbred,
Down came the troopers, one, two, three.
"Where's the jolly jumbuck you've got in your tuckerbag?
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me

Waltzing matilda, waltzing matilda
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me
And he sang as he sat and waited by the billabong
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me.

Up jumped the swagman and plunged into the billabong,
"You'll never catch me alive," cried he
And his ghost may be heard as you ride beside the billabong,
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me.

Regards from up over.......

or should I say MOOO?
Definitions;
COWING: Cow \Cow\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Cowed (koud);; p. pr. & vb. n.
Cowing.] [Cf. Icel. kuga, Sw. kufva to check, subdue, Dan.
kue. Cf. Cuff, v. t.]
To depress with fear; to daunt the spirits or courage of; to
overawe.

COWING:
Entry: truculent
Function: adjective
Definition: belligerent
Synonyms: abusive, aggressive, antagonistic, bad-tempered, barbarous, bellicose, browbeating, brutal, bullying, caustic, combative, contentious, contumelious, cowing, cross, defiant, ferocious, fierce, frightening, harsh, hateful, hostile, inhuman, inhumane, intimidating, invective, mean, militant, mordacious, mordant, obstreperous, opprobrious, ornery, pugnacious, quarrelsome, rude, savage, scathing, scrappy, scurrilous, sharp, sullen, terrifying, terrorizing, trenchant, violent, vituperative, vituperrious

Concept: unkindness

So as for Julian, HOW DARE YOU BE SO UNKIND!!

although I still have no idea why you figured that members would immediately assume that you were referring to John.
John Wills is a good natured person, and accepts criticism graciously. Make your comment directly to John next time he plugs his book in a discussion. Very likely he will take the hint and stop plugging it.

And thanks for your concern for my health. I am actually feeling marvellous, although low in physical stamina, which I am assured will get back to normal in due course.

What I am suffering from is a tired back. Sitting up in a hospital bed, propped up with pillows in order to use my laptop, is such an uncomfortable and unnatural position that it has really annoyed my back. I was required to sit up in the bed and keep my legs horizontal as part of the process of releasing the build-up of fluid in my body.

...and almost dies laughing!

Aw Col, man! What a typo! I think you meant ROGUE states and not ROUGE states! Rouge, from the French word for 'red', is applied to the female physiognomy to add a nice pinky flush to the cheeks! Now don't think for one minute that I'm anti-gay (some of my closest friends are, and I shared a house with one once!) but the concept of a 'Rouge State' conjoured up a wonderful picture in my mind of State Secret Police sqads mincing about in high heels and make-up and making limp-wristed salutes to a dictator wearing something by Yves St. Laurent in a delicate shade of pink!!!

And for the gay community out there...an IT related nugget of trivia.

IMSI, a software company famed for cack family software and naff utilities, have one great product called TurboCAD. I think they are on version 6 or 7 now, but I had the first Windows release, V3.0. It does pretty much most things that Autocad can do but simpler and cheaper and is far, far easier to use for beginners. Anyway, Version 1 and 2 were both DOS based and were originally produced by a software company called 'Pink Software', which was owned and staffed by a group of 'queens' based, I believe, here in the UK!!!

I still fire up V1 sometimes...I can produce drawings in the original DOS TurboCAD 3D programme (which came on two 1.2Mb 5.25" floppies and had a two-inch thick printed manual!) using command line instructions on a 286-12MHz in about a third of the time I can using any Windows based version from 3.0 onwards with a mouse.

More proof that 'newer' isn't always 'better'. Of course there is a flip side...the DOS version takes forever to print with only 640kb of RAM and no clever print driver...it just sends raw PCL data to the printer(I usually import the finished drawing into 3.0 for Windows which supports the V1 DOS files)!

"Don't imply my meaning i never imply yours."

You might care to consult your dictionary and compare the meaning of the two words "infer" and "imply."

After which I think we can stop this silly nit-picking nonsense.