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Loved the Matrix Revolutions!

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Anybody else catch Matrix on opening day? All of the reviews I've read have been really harsh, but I thought it was a great! Would love to hear reviews/opinions from fellow TechRepublic members.

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by oz_media

yes, I broke the law and saw it last week. Somebody report me to the authorities, rather than get religious on me.

Compared to part 2, I think it was better, then again I thought part 2 was crap. Too many long silences and mood attempts. Who ever said that Keanu could act anyhow, hmm, yeah, hmm. It's as painful as watching Arnold try to form his forst English words in Conan part1 but at least he had an excuse. Keanu simply can't act. He is great at playing 'keanu' but what other characters can he portray? Every movie he's in he plays the same character with the same voice and the same look. STALE.

I met him during filming of Bill and Ted's excellent adventure, he was then Keanu but he fit the part well. Ever since, he's still the same guy with the same sound, the same look, the same tone, the same mannersisms. This isn't acting, it's sad.
EG.
Johnny Depp, always looks like Johnny Depp, but always sounds different, delivers lines differently, acts differently, has a myriad of available accents changes his natural mannerisms.
When I first met Depp, I thought he was a huge loser (he got pissed off at a volleyball tournament after a Jumpstreet shoot and went home like a typical baby. Understanding later why he was acting this way made it understandable.)but as I've watched him grow and express himself through a series of VERY different roles, I now see him as a competent actor with a lot of natural talent.

Matrix 3? Ok if you like that sort of thing I guess, but it could really use an leading actor instead.

by lordinfidel

Kind of a hardcore matrix junkie though...

The effects were great. Not sure how I feel about neo and 'trin' .... but the oracle did leave it open for a 4th. Just not sure how neo aka kenau will be worked in.

There will always "have" to be the systemic anomaly though. That is just how the equation works out.

I think that if there is a 4th, it will be on the premise that there is a mass exodus from the matrix and the machine world is in jeopardy of it's survival. But that's just me.

On the mind fuck scale this one was a 3, but then again, what was left really to uncover about neo and the origins of the matrix. On the effects and story scale, I give effects a 10+ and story about a 9.

(Now where was the double agent we kept speculating about?)

by wordworker

yeah I'm loving it because I got my wife hooked on #1 and though she didn't like #2 as much, she was jazzed about #3 almost as much as I was. I also love the Back to the Future trilogy, and it's kind of the same for me with Matrix - #1 - awesome, great; #2 shamelessly ripped off #1 and not as good; #3 better than #2. I hated what happened with trin but I like how the Wachowski boys screwed with our heads at the end. so a #4? Maybe Fetti (the little girl?) will be the heroine, eh?

by lordinfidel

not as a independant films of each other.

I think each one served a purpose. the first layed the groundwork, it invoked questions about what is the matrix.

You couldn't get to revolutions without reloaded. You had to first understand what the matrix really was and the intraticies within the machine world. You had to ask the question, Why did the architect really need to control the one the way he did and how did the oracle fit into it really. (Architect from reloaded- "If I am the father of the matrix she is undoubtedly it's mother")

Then in revolutions what did agent smith say to the oracle "Hello Mother"......

Makes you think just how far down the rabbit hole really goes......

Then there is the concept of machines having "feelings". A concept we would not have been able to deal with without the foundation being laid in reloaded with smith breaking free , the macheovelli and learing about "rougue" programs who do not want to be deleted....

Wow... I'm really sad and pathetic aren't I....

by lordinfidel

don't beleive in file sharing....

it's the one bit of ethical morality I have.

Call it a charcter flaw.... I choose to pay for my crap. I'm just one of the sheep herded brain washed masses when it comes to paying for music and movies.

Besides, I would much rather see it for the first time on the big screen rather then on my monitor or outputed in lousy quality to my tv.

I'm glad though you did not give away the ending, would of had to kick you in the nuts.

by oz_media

We al have these debilitating "qualities" sometimes. I actually received a prescreen copy that was sent to a large Canadian video retailer, mainly owned by my family. They let me suck it off their drives so it wasn't true P2P as in Kazzaa or Morpheus. I would have just borrowed the disk but it is expensive going to and from the Mainland.

DVD quality but yes on my TV.

Would you really pay $17.00 to see it in a theatre? I think the best popcorn/meal deal they offer is a Med. Popcorn, Small POP, and chocolate bar for $9.99. Now you're at 26.99 and you haven't found a seat yet. DON'T BRING A DATE!

by lordinfidel

I actually use Fandango or movietickets.com
and pay the extra 2 bucks per ticket so I don't have to wait on-line and talk to some high school kid that can barely speak english.

I have a permament date, a wife. You get used to paying double for everything after a while.

by nicholasclayg

I thought that this was the worst Matrix put out thus far. The scene where Trinity dies took SOOOOOOO LONG, and as I was thinking that someone shouted out "DAMN BITCH DIE ALREADY" lol, which the WHOLE theatre laughed, probably thinking the same thing. Well let me contradict myself that it was not the worst but I feel that I am just burned out on bullet time, that was soooo 1999. All the special effects I am just burned out on i suppose. If i was a teenager with an open mind (you know as you get older your mind gets wierd)
it be the greatest thing since sliced bread! but alas i am not a teen anymore. Oh well im off to go play some battlefield 1942 to go kill some 16 year kids online. Only difference is I can afford some nice equipment! woo woo (that has nothin to do with matrix but what the hell)

by wordworker

...I still enjoyed it. Also got stoked seeing the previews for the next LOTR installment coming at Christmas!

by joseph moore

I saw it last night after work, and I was very happy, but I actually like Reloaded! I love the Architech and the 6 other "Ones" and the whole concept.
So, with Revolutions, I really appreciate the new things it forced me to think about. Plus, I am very happy that the positive/negative ying/yang 1/0 thing between Neo and Smith was, for me, made very clear without being TOO clear!

And I don't want a part 4. This was enough. Yes, the world of the Matrix has room to grow and expand, but that is where the comics and maybe book spin-offs should take it. But for our central cast of Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus, I think that any future Matrix merchandise should not focus on them. Let's not spiral down into a Star Wars-type watering down here.
The Matrix is at an end. And I am sorry to see it go, but it is true that everything with a beginning must have an end.

by lordinfidel

on this one.... Keep it as a trilogy.

However, the ground work was defintely laid at the very end of revolutions....

Showing my true geekness here.....

The conversation between the oracle and the architect was pretty clear. He wanted control, she wanted free choice.

If you go really deep into that and into a "religious" connotation, you can almost think of neo as a christ figure saving the world and now the world is in the hands of "good" (not that I am a religious fanatic, it's just a comparison).

But what happens when the balance is tipped again. Due to the nature of the matrix, there "has" to be a systemic anomaly and because of that the equation must balance itself out. And when that happens, if the negative wins and the architect regains control, No more peace between man and machines.

And the story continues.......

by fluxit

Religious threadline is a stretch. Although it does slightly allude to how one could move in and dimensions and potentially do miracles. Some people hypothesize Christ hyperspaced in and out of spaces and that he did holographic projections to walk on water from other dimensions outside of space-time.

The system anomally is that like a 'computer bug'? Microsoft gone wild. It could allude to the age of Spiritual Machines.

Nonetheless, I found the earlier ones to be considerably boorish. I think they could have benefited by hiring a bunch of MTV music video guys to write the script.

by fluxit

Have not seen the new one. Although I found the Matrix odd. It was a unusual attempt at a multi-dimensional Universe that gets rebooted.

I suppose it was an ill attempt to relate to the mini-slap theory of an eleven dimensional Universe opposed to the Big Bang. As well as the view that we live in a Universe that is a digital simulation as suggested in Quantum Information and Quantum Computing.

There were inconsistencies too. For example, living in Zion (Jewish Utopia) with warships named after Babylonian Kings, Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar? Was it not Babylonia Kings that defeated the jewish people and enslaved them? Some Utopia.

Can movie makers be a little more creative with content? It seems that movies have become special effects festivals. One travels from scene to scene of cool effects but little cohesive content.

I like movies like 'Casablanca', 'Indiana Jones'...

by jkaras

I was always wondering where the name and the significance of the ship Nebuchadnezzar came from. Who was this Babylonian king and what did he do for good or bad? I agree with you that it fell short of great trilogy hype depending on special effects and vauge ambiguity to create your own interpretation.

by fluxit

Historically, Nebuchadnezzar was the son of Nabopolassar. Thier story is in the Old Testament of the Judeo/Chrisitan Bible. Both were kings of Babylonia that was located where current day Iraq and Baghdad are. In fact, the city of Babylon was physically located SouthEast of Baghdad. It was buried under 200 feet of sand and by 1988 Sadam had restored it to rally the Islamic world around his cause. Anyhow, Nebuchadnezzar was the most powerful ruler that world had ever seen and that is why Sadam often referenced himself with this king. As a side note Sadam physically looked like Nebuchadnezzar.

During his reign he attacked Israel several times and took Jerusalem enslaving the Jewish people. We know this because he rebuilt every city and had every brick laid with his name on it. The land mass covered was immense and the number of people enslaved was overwhelming.

As for the movie, it appears to be drawing on an entire theological element in Christianity that has determined the there is an undeniable relationship between the Judeo/Christian Bible and Quantum Mechanics. The movie appears to be using the concept that our universe is really a digital simulation as stated in the discovery of Quantum Information. Then they carry one step further by bringing into the mix the Bible and exploring an imaginary threadline that Neo is Christ like in his abilities to save the world.

The naming of the ships appears to be a creative license that is actually insulting to the Jewish people. Under the rule and enslavement of Nebuchadnezzar the Jewish could not practice thier faith ceremonies so they formed the synogue in place of the Temple. This has carried through to today as the Jewish people no longer conduct burnt offerings or blood sacrifices as called for in the Torah where God laid out the Tabernacle.

Anyhow, naming the ships after an enemy of Zion or a Jewish Utopic state is like the US naming our warships after Hilter.

by lordinfidel

the religous overtures in mind....

But the parallels are there. It's just one more level to think about.

The anomaly was not a computer bug. Think of the anomaly like this.

You have an equation and no matter how the equation works out, you will also have a remainder left over. But the equation's purpose is to be balanced out. So if you are left with a positive number (neo), the equation must also balance itself out with a negative number (agent smith).

Right now the equation is somewhat balanced because there is no neo and no agent smith, but that is only appearances alone. The equation, by it's very nature will produce another systemic anomaly (postive), and thefore over time balance itslef out with a negative force.

I know it's hard to wrap your mind around the concept, it's kind of like a leap of faith and remembering that the Matrix World does not really exist in reality, so any rules can be created. Kind of like Star Trek, rules of modern day don't apply.

by fluxit

The old math/science approach to modeling systems was to use predictive equations.

By taking first and second derivatives of such equations you get tangents and normals. But by using such an approach when the integral is taken there is an error often shown as a sigma. This sigma was always considered insignificant. So we had the fudge factor. The matrix is a flambouyant fudge factor how hilarious.

Under the theories of chaos this error is consider to be significant and the equations that model a system are not longer predictive. They simply model behavior that is then applied.

I said we need movie makers who are more creative with thier content. MTV music video technicians would have made a more interesting movie.

Star Trek suffers from the same problem. In Generations they had the ribbon that collected stuff up into the Nexus. This ribbon resulted from a tear or rip in the fabric (very planar thought) of time. Recall the old organ grinders with the monkey that turned a crank and a series of pages flipped fast enough to look like the image was in motion. This is the theory Star Trek was espousing that time was. If a bunch of pages of time got a tear in them then this ribbon would occur as those pages played. How boring.

Why don't these storytellers use more modern concepts under M-Theory or Quantum Technologies? I can think of dozens of very entertaining and stimulating stories. I recently began writing a short story called 'Double Oh Gawd: Get Love Bytes'.

by fluxit

Micheal Crichton's book 'Timeline' is being made a movie to be out shortly. It espouses one viewpoiont of concepts under M-Theory of infinite universes. He makes the assumption that each Universe is at a different point in time. Time travel is possible because they laterally go to these different universes in the present instant but the advancement in time is at another point.

Kind of interesting but in retrospect it is the old planar view of pages of time gone 3D in sorts. Instead of flipping through pages of time one travels to a 3D point and stays a while which is odd because this creates a paradoxial situation that cannot be unless one travels through a number of universes to observe motion at least at the speed of time. How funny. I just found a flaw in the theory Micheal Crichton is espousing.

Anyhow, check out that movie it may be entertaining.

by fluxit

As I said MTV music video technicians could have made a more interesting movie. You can find these 18-19 year old guys down in South Beach doped up in some swanky bar dreaming up thier next music video.

It is truly incredible that the creative people are the extremist on the spectrum. We have the reclusive technocrats dreaming up new inventions and theories that impact our lives and change our understanding. Or we have doped up 18 year old dreaming up fascinating music videos, developing art, and writing knew music or dance shows.

When was the last time some moderate politician moved our world? They just stall everything and spin words like radical...

by passwordchanged

you feel like you must tell the world Twice that you broke the law. So you'r a bad boy? you hope to crack 50 comments by inviting flames about your ethics and legalities? you're crying out for help? bless your heart hope you get some

by oz_media

But can I ask why you decided to post your comment?
You actually didn't reply to the original post at all but simply posted your usual immature spew.

May I ask why you decided to jump into someone elses discussion and have nothing to offer other than bitching about a post?

by oz_media

As for the wife, been there daone that, nope, no sir, didn't like her one bit.

I will assume that movies are at least somewhat reasonably priced there, I did actually take a friend and her daughter to see ELF yesterday, IT WAS AWESOME!!!

Great show for Christmas !

by jkaras

If you havent seen it yet dont read!! I dont want to be known as the jerk that spoiled the movie for you.

Ok I thought it was a pretty looking picture with great sound but the explination was lacking. I really dont see the point of either choice Neo was given from Reloaded to Revolutions. The only difference was that more people from Zion were saved to rebuild while the Matrix was perserved and allowed to suck off still millions of people? Neo was some savior, where was the will to free their brethren? Everyone said well I'm still alive, screw everyone else. If they gave all the imprisioned people who would stay, or was it anyone who had the doubts that were suspected got the choice? I get the Smith/Neo opposites which was a great idea. When Smith was going through his memory of what was about to happen was it the fortune telling abilities from merging from the Oracle or was it the actual "revolutions" that this is a endless loop that happens every millienia or something? Was Neo a program or a real person since he was an anomoly/ version 6.0 since he was moved by the trainman between worlds that was his job to deliver programs between?
I think they should have written it as no one ever escaped the matrix and that what they thought was the real world was merly the compromise other hdd to separate the ones who couldnt accept the matrix from infecting it like a virus that Smith referred to Morpheous in the original. Neo taking on the Matrix should have been a true liberation for his sacrifice and the oracle should have died leaving the new younger oracle to replace her. The new upside down fight scene should have been removed and replaced with anything else. I think they went for the payday rather than create the next spectacular trilogy that they could have made. Great effects sad ending to a story of fantastic potential.

by wordworker

DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT KNOW WHAT HAPPENS

So was Neo dead at the end or merely exhausted? I thought it was a pretty obvious "Neo as Christ the Light" metaphor - the light destroyed the dark (Smith). I thought it was odd that the Oracle was there in the rain, too. Seems to me she (Oracle) and the Architect must have been the original programs, since ol' Smith called the Oracle mother. And it seemed like a pretty obvious trick to me too when Smith said, "But if you knew I was coming, why didn't you leave?" but then he called her Mom and went ahead and morphed/absorbed her anyway...

I agree the upside down scene was passe - they should have come up with something new on that one. And I thought the final fight scene was repetitive...

Still I liked it, imperfect thought it may be.

by wordworker

I think one of the best things to come out of the whole Matrix thing is heightened awareness of different religions. In scouring the scripts for hints and signs of what the writers were 'trying to say' it made people American audiences think about talk about other religions besides the hellfire-and brimstone Christianity that most of us were raised with.

Again, overall it wasn't the best movie I've ever seen nor the best Matrix movie of the three, but it sure took me on a nice, entertaining 2 hour trip away from my real-world matrix and for that I was grateful. Hey I hated the first and fifth Star Trek movies but loved 2,3, and 4. I'll probably buy the Matrix all-in-one DVD set - I'm an addict for deleted scenes in those special releases...

by fluxit

What religious lesson did you gain? Are you aware that there is an entire element within Christianity whose views are what the Matrix attempted to draw on?

by wordworker

I didn't so much gain new awareness myself. But I did notice that since the first Matrix lots of people I know who heretofore never discussed religion all of a sudden felt like they could pull matrix references out of their hats as religious data points. I appreciated your explanation of the Nebadkenzzar (sp?). That the ships had those names makes me think the Wauchowski brothers were intentionally trying to push everyone's buttons and, thus, sell more tickets! :]

by road-dog

but I don't see the concept as time travel. Moving to a parallel dimension that is currently at a point in time similar to our past isn't really relevant to our own past. If a parallel dimension is several hundred years "behind" us, it's fair to assume that the dissimilarities don't end there.

The book is an exploration of anthropology, observing similar beings advancing in a different environment. One might make observations of culture and technology, but one must factor in other dissimilarities when attempting to draw anthropological conclusions as relates to "our" past.

The discovery of the archaeologist's glasses in our place and time wouldn't be possible if the archaeologist were lost in the time line of another dimension.

I never did get that one...

The book is a wild ride, however.

by fluxit

As an IT guy you may desire to learn more about quantum information and quantum computing. Richard Feyman circa 1965 hypothesized quantum computing.

There has been a movement in IT to make data storage, transmission, and computing more efficient. For example, data storage efficiency has dropped from over a million electrons per bit to less than 10,000 electrons per bit. But in quantum computing it could be much smaller than an electron and far more powerful.

How this ties into the digital model of the Universe and religion is not too complex. If you consider that the entire universe can be reduce ultimately to quantum information and life to DNA templates. Then a creator could build these quantum computers the organize and create the universe. Life could then be managed by turning on or off amino acids for a period of time in the DNA templates. Thus determining if a nose or beak forms etc... Hence there is someone or something controlling the outcome of our universe and lives. Our relationship with this extra-system creator is a spiritual one.

So in a sense of this concept we are indeed like body snatchers or a parasite being 'contained' and hosted in a digital framework.

I'd say the working for a great movie!

by road-dog

The scenario presented in the novel would shed light on known common elements of our history and the parallel history visited.

Suppose we were to send observers to a parallel reality where the Sphinx were under construction. The Sphinx is a historical oddity, and the events leading up to it's construction might vary somewhat, but the actual methodologies used and the actual constructors would be neat to confirm. The likelihood that a parallel reality would have a similar monument created in a significantly different way, for a significantly different reason, or by an entirely different group of people is probably remote.

Such information would be very interesting, to say the least.

by fluxit

Destroys the concept of chaos since everything is ordered and we just play out the events.

The premise of Chaos is history is irrevisible, order is emergent, and the future is unpredictable. So by sending someone back to an alternate Universe creates an elliptical situation. The ole Chicken and egg problem.

by road-dog

However,

Are parallel universes destined to repeat our actions / decisions, or are our counterparts simply acting / deciding similarly to us?

Assuming that all universes are created at the same time, the minute deltas would accumulate over time causing a completely different outcome over eons of events.

In order for Chrichton's scenario to play out, something must have occurred that set that universe back a thousand years, or that that universe began a thousand years after ours.

Personally, I think it's unlikely that we would quickly find a universe with a timeline similar to ours. Such a happenstance would be unlikely, with infinite universes to choose from and nearly infinite permutations of "error" (who's to say which timeline is right), that would alter the alternate "present" to where it would be unrecognizable to us.

Imagine all of the historical events that hinged upon unlikely or innocuous antecedents, IE the assasination of Archduke Ferdinand. This was an accident, as the assassin missed his target, but then the Ferdinand's driver became lost and presented the target the second time, kicking off WWI.

by fluxit

Where this book gots its idea is from a Concept called the Universe in a Nutshell. Basically, what happens is under the M-theory model of the Universe when a 10 or 11 dimensional model is conformally mapped into 3 space what you get is an infinite number of spheres and these big membranes. Hence, the term Brane-Worlds. Each sphere is viewed to be a universe in itself.

So the question begs if we can jump between universes and what is in them? Also what happens when the worlds collide or are slapped by a membrane? This is where the mini-slap versus the big bang is being contested. When a membrane slaps a world it is completely re-ordered.

Timeline is sort of an immature thought and more of an creative license than anything else.

I encourage you to investigate this M-theory, Brane world, and Quantum Computing stuff. What you will find is incredibly fascinating but probably will not get you a woman.

by oz_media

The movie itself isn't really what I'd hoped it would be. Again there were too many overdone CGI scenes, the movie could have been 20 minutes shorter and still left the same message.

What really bugs me about the Matrix series is that KEANU can't act, and yet somebody has fooled him into thinking he can.

HE has few to no lines, as always, doesn't create a character any different than his character in SPEED or Bill and Ted's. I've seen him try to act in another movie, forgotten it's title though, must have had a real impact on me.

I just don't think he's what he's cut out to be. Comparitively Johnny Depp, who often found himself caught into the same characters started to turn down redundant character ofers for more challenging ones. I am starting to see him with the same respect one would offer Dustin Hoffman. Hoffman will take ANY character and make it his, he doesn't look, sound or act the same in his movies but instead finds how he can bring out the character in himself. I equate this to Johnny Depp after his roles in such movies as What's Eating Gilbert Grape and Pirates of the Caribbean, definitely working harder that our friend Keanu with his monosylabic too-cool-for-words portrayals of EVERY character he does.

by wordworker

Keanu is pretty wooden, but then again so was Sly in the first Rocky. I guess I like Matrix ovies for eye candy and adrenalin rush, though.

I counted about 20 minutes that could've been whacked, too -- Loved the fight against the calamari but way too repetitive. Could've shaved most if not all of the water fight for my money.

I saw you liked Elf and that's next on my to see list.

by oz_media

...coming from a grown man on a technical forum that traditionally leans toward sci-fi over comedy but ELF was ten times the movie that Matrix was.

Not only was the story better, the acting is great, Will Ferrel (I KNOW him!! LOL)is perfect for the part with his ever so innocent smile and virgin eyes.

It's a really good Christmas movie, the friends and kids I saw it with all said that they felt the Christmas spirit after the show.
A MUST SEE

by joseph moore

I really have to disagree with this statement. I thought his acting was very good in this one, especially his last scene with Carrie-Anne Moss.

If you haven't seen the movie yet, stop reading.

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Ok, I thought he was acting GREAT when Neo was blind, and Trinity was dying. He says to her he wished she could see the world as he did, with the lights.

His voice, reaching out slightly, his body posture, I thought it was fascinating and believable, as if Keanu the actor were actually seeing what his character was supposed to see. I remember sitting in the theatre believing Keanu.

It got to me at that moment, and an emotional response in the audience is what an actor is trying to do. To make what character says or does real to the audience. And at that time, I felt his astonishment at the lights.

by maecuff

Okay, Oz, I loved the Johnny Depp comments. (He's #1 on my top 5) but Elf? I took my five year old to see it, and it was better than I expected, but I still didn't think it was great. I guess I couldn't get past watching Sonny Corleone as the father of a human elf :)

by oz_media

"Sonny Corleone as the father of a human elf"

I thought it was a neat touch. Obviously the casting directors had some fun here to keep adults amused, Bob Newhart and Ed Asner?

by jimhm

It sounds like the Old Microsoft 3 finger Solute ... Ctrl-Alt-Del .... Reboot ... Cold Start...

The first movie was pretty good - the second movie sucked a little - the third sucked scummy pond water. Waste of money - waste of time -

Go See - The Cat in the Hat - and waste more money to those in the Wood...

by oz_media

Hit the nail on the head.
As I mentioned, these characters were chosen for a specifically targeted demographic. THe kids will love watching Will Farrel (not that I didn't) but the parents appreciate the supporting actors.
Cleverly made movie.

by wordworker

My wife and I saw Bob Newhart in comedy concert in Louisville recently. He stood there and made us laugh until we cried for like an hour 45. Then did a video of his greatest moments - a scene from the old Dean Martin show, plus the famous last scene of the second sitcom where he wakes up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette (a nice place to wake up!). I can't wait to see him in this movie. Deep down inside that's what he wants to be is a movie star.

My favorite Dustin Hoffman movie (from a post earlier) - The "Lenny" story. Wow what a piece of work.

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