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First of all I want to say Hello, this is my first time posting in the Republic's Discussion Board. Now to my question. I am an Australian Information Technologist. I do have an MCP and studied at University several years ago as a programmer.

I have been working in the industry now for over 9 years in many area's from Desktop support, as an Computer technician (Hardware and Software) Network Technician, Server Administrator - File Web and SQL, Web Site developer Consultant, also I have doen this role as part of my Full time Job with the University of South Australia, and other IT related area's.

I have been recently put doing project work developing Online Teaching Resources and setting up Online Teaching space, using Centra Server/Client Software. For many reasons, both personal and careerwise I want to move to the Seattle Area, this includes Redmond and other place. I have been having problems with getting any sort of interviews. Anybody with any idea's. I know the Job market is slow in the US, but I do stress this is a permanent Shift to the US.

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by oz_media

Tsawassen (ta-was-en) is about 5 minutes from the US border, is you really need to work near MS (bad choice too much competition) you will only be a couple of hours away.

On the other hand, there s a lot more work in Canada and you will be paid more, as wel as receiving better benefits.

The IT job market in the US is dismal at best, his forum is full of IT staff looking for work and having a hard time at it even when heavily qualified and experienced. In Canada I'd say two weeks max and you're employed full time.

As for IT in the US, Seattle, Oregon and California are inundated, I don't know about central or eastern US though.

by gary.lante

The reason for the choice is definately personal. But I might have to look in that area as well. Thanks alot.

by oz_media

TSAWWASSEN would be te proper spelling.

Or else White Rock is also very close to the man Interstate 5 border but about 4 hhours from Seattle, plus rush hour crossing time, bit of a stretch!

Oh well, best of luck to you in all your endeavors.
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by dc_guy

If news reports are to be believes, half the people on earth want to immigrate to the USA. You have a lot of competition.

Surely you can understand this. Immigration barriers in your country are far stricter than ours. I can't even dream of getting permanent residence and employment in Australia -- and believe me, I have looked into it.

The IT job market here is indeed dismal. America is exporting jobs, not importing workers. You'll need something better than what you've got to move anywhere near the top of the queue.

The only place where the economy looks halfway normal is the Washington DC area. The government has almost all of our money so this is the place to come in order to try to get some of it back. Even during the Great Depression, when the national unemployment rate was 25%, it was only about 10% in D.C.

Considering the number of Americans who would sell their grandmother's house for the chance to migrate to Australia, I can't help wondering why anyone would want to leave.

by gary.lante

First, thank you for your reply, :). Did you know Australia's Tax system is one of the highest? Same pay rate as I am getting now the Income tax here is around 37 percent and in American its 25 percent. Plus we have a 10 percent GST.

Yes I know Australia's Immigration laws are hard. I have many reason to shift and several of them are personal.

by pgm554

Forget these large cities:

Pittsburgh,Cleveland,Detroit,San Francisco.

When folks in Bangalore are making a fraction of what the average US worker makes,I don't see growth in the IT business for the next 2 years.

As for DC,if you are not a US citizen,you will be excluded from a lot of job opportunities.

I was working for Digital Equipment back in the 80's and was called out to a government site by one of my co-workers, because he was Canadian and not a US citizen.Only US citizens were allowed on site.

by gary.lante

I didnt know that about the goverment work and not bieng allowed on site. It isnt an Issue in Australia unless it is High Security and then that means only people who work for the goverment not whether they are Australian or not.

by maxwell edison

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I've seen two references in this thread to the "dismal" job market in the USA.

I must wonder, if it is "dismal" right now, what would it be called if it got only 2 or 3 percent worse? What about 5 percent worse? What about 10 percent worse? What's worse than dismal?

Okay, I, for one, don't think the overall job market in the USA is anything less than overflowing with opportunity. Sure, certain localities are better than others, but we have an employment rate of about 95 percent in the USA right now, one of the highest employment rates in the world? The way I see it, 95 percent of the people who want a job can find one, and if you consider yourself in the top 95 percent in your field, you should have no problem finding a job.

The GDP (Gross Domestic Product) in the USA is at an all-time high, as it is every year in the USA - unlike some nations, such as Germany, who are experiencing a downturn in their nation's GDP. And our GDP rating per capita is the second highest in all the world, only slightly behind Luxembourg, but about 50 percent better than Canada, Australia and Great Britain. (GDP is important because it measures output - specifically worker output.)

The total number of jobs held in the USA is at an all-time high. Not only have the employment percentages been increasing, but the number of people working is also at an all-time high - and this takes into consideration an ever increasing population due to immigration.

Don't listen to the defeatists. Come to America with the attitude that you will be defeated, and you will be. Come to America with the attitude that you will succeed, and you will.

The "doom-and-gloomers" - the people who always see "what's wrong" - will never be as successful as those who look for what's right. A 95 percent employment rate (considering 3 percent will ALWAYS be unemployed - mostly by choice) is absolutely fantastic. Unless, of course, you consider yourself in that 2 or 3 percent of people at the bottom of the ambition and intelligence heap, which I doubt you do.

I'm not that familiar with our Pacific Northwest, but from what I've read, it's slightly below the national averages on the employment scale. The national employment rate, for example, is at about 95 percent right now, while it is slightly lower in Washington State at about 94 percent, and Oregon at 93.5 percent. Washington D.C is the lowest at 92.5 percent. (Someone else said Washington D.C. was the best - I wonder where that information came from?) The biggest boom areas in the USA right now are in the southwest, specifically Las Vegas and Phoenix. Missouri, in the Midwest, is experiencing great growth, as is Colorado, Nevada, and Arizona. But an impressive and optimistic trend is that, as a national average, around 200,000 new jobs are being made available each and every month. (At this point the "doom-and-gloomers will say something like, "Yea, but it's the least desirable types of jobs, and the low paying jobs that are being filled." Well, don't fall into the trap of becoming a doom-and-gloomer. You will find that which you seek.)

An "overview" of economics in the USA (cut and pasted from listed source):

The US has the largest and most technologically powerful economy in the world, with a per capita GDP of $37,600. In this market-oriented economy, private individuals and business firms make most of the decisions, and the federal and state governments buy needed goods and services predominantly in the private marketplace. US business firms enjoy considerably greater flexibility than their counterparts in Western Europe and Japan in decisions to expand capital plant, lay off surplus workers, and develop new products. At the same time, they face higher barriers to entry in their rivals' home markets than the barriers to entry of foreign firms in US markets. US firms are at or near the forefront in technological advances, especially in computers and in medical, aerospace, and military equipment, although their advantage has narrowed since the end of World War II. The onrush of technology largely explains the gradual development of a "two-tier labor market" in which those at the bottom lack the education and the professional/technical skills of those at the top and, more and more, fail to get comparable pay raises, health insurance coverage, and other benefits. Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households. The years 1994-2000 witnessed solid increases in real output, low inflation rates, and a drop in unemployment to below 5%. The year 2001 saw the end of boom psychology and performance, with output increasing only 0.3% and unemployment and business failures rising substantially. The response to the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001 showed the remarkable resilience of the economy. Moderate recovery took place in 2002, with the GDP growth rate rising to 2.45%. A major short-term problem in first half 2002 was a sharp decline in the stock market, fueled in part by the exposure of dubious accounting practices in some major corporations. The war in March/April 2003 between a US-led coalition and Iraq shifted resources to military industries and introduced uncertainties about investment and employment in other sectors of the economy. Long-term problems include inadequate investment in economic infrastructure, rapidly rising medical and pension costs of an aging population, sizable trade deficits, and stagnation of family income in the lower economic groups.

I think it's amazing that people "repeat" those "dismal" reports only because that's what they might hear on the news. If people turned off their television sets and radios, and only "reported" on what they, themselves, were experiencing or were seeing first-hand, absolutely everything would sound like it's coming up roses, or at least, almost everything. Sure, people are struggling to "make ends meet", so to speak, but my folks experienced the same thing, as did theirs, and every other person who has experienced "life". Someone (in a different thread, I believe) said to a job-seeker that experience was everything. Well, as important as experience might be, I would place attitude and outlook well above experience on any "importance" scale.

By the way, welcome to America - the greatest nation on the face of the Earth (chuckle chuckle).

Links and/or sources:

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/state_unemployment/

http://www.nationmaster.com/ (This is an absolutely GREAT Web site. I use it a lot to gather various information.)

By the way (again), the "IT job market", whatever that really is, can be rather misleading. For example, is a sole network administrator for a legal firm (or any other type of firm) considered to be in the IT field or the legal field? An IT professional, in my opinion, can find a job in any field, not just the "IT field", whatever that really is.

by gary.lante

Yes I do consider myself in the top 95 percent and I do have many ambitions. ~smiles~

Thank you so much for your reply and it was wonderful to hear some positive feedbacks instead of negative ones. I have been applying for jobs in the US over the llast 4 months and well i have been able to apply for at least 10 jobs per week to fornight that is 10 jobs more then compaired to the Adelaide current job market and the figures show we are on the decrease.

Thank you for the links I will check them out.

by garion11

You sure are to hear a LOT more negative feedback, cause thats all people want to see in America.

But fortunately thats not true...there are plenty of opportunities for the right minds. I wish you the best of luck in US.

by waybrig

Gary,

I'm in somewhat of a similar position as my family will be relocating from the Cleveland, Ohio area to Raleigh, North Carolina over the next few months. My wife already has a teaching job in Raleigh, so we're going no matter what. I would love to have a job before moving also. Here's what I have found: The economy in the Cleveland area isn't terrible, but not great ~5-6% unemployment. The Raleigh area is booming however, ~3.5% unemployment.

So, where have I been getting calls about jobs from? Cleveland!! I've had 5 or 6 inquiries from my local area, but 0 from the area I'm moving to. My theory is that employers don't want to waste time with out of towner's unless they are forced to. My skills aren't that unusual, so I'm sure they have plenty of local applicants. I'm starting to think I won't be getting any leads until I actually move. Your situation is potentially even worse, why would a company be interested in somebody in Australia when they have 20 or 30 (or more) local applicants to choose from? Unless you have some inside contacts in the Seattle area you might have to bite the bullet and re-locate before securing employment. I'm sure that's a scary proposition, but I guess it depends on how much you really want to move. One other alternative would be to acquire some skill that makes you very unique.

Hope this helps.

by gary.lante

I have been working things out and I am looking at getting together enough money to spend 3 months in Seattle to look for work. I have someone I can stay with while I am there. The big issues is after the 3 months I have to leave again. Unless of course the free trade agreement happens.

I have a few things I have to work out here. Getting divorced and other issues before I go so I can move with a clean slate.

by garion11

Hmm..temporary staffing is great if you need some cash while you are looking for a perm position.

I wouldn't be too discouraged about being Australian or what not, I think employers love diversity, atleast at HUGE multinational corporations. But as far as getting that "perfect" job, you might have to bite the bullet for a while, before you land it. I'd try to become a citizen asap..cause it does benefit you quite a bit.

Another option would be to possibly land a job in Australia that has a US company and then transfer over?? or Is that not an option?? Keep us posted.

by rwilson4

"but I do stress this is a permanent Shift to the US"

Would this mean that you intend to become a US citizen?

by gary.lante

I would look into becoming a US Citizen but there is an issue with that. I am an Australian and a german Citizen, I cartry both Passports. I believe you have to give up Citizenship to become an US Citizen?

by gary.lante

Yeah I believe there is good and bad in all things. Negative comments rarely affect me, Constructive comments I listen too and supporting Ones I always hear.

Thank you so much. :)

by gary.lante

Yeah, Im not afraid to do any jobs I am skilled at. Im not bieng picky or choosy aoubt the jobs, just the one things is working with computers. I have a bad knee, an operation that wasnt sucessful. I can work without a problem as long as I work from a desk and not running around.
I applie for everything that I can, that fall in my skill ranges.

by mlayton

OK, if this is a permanent move for you, you have to consider what type of Visa you have - some companies are more likely than others to put themselves through the H1B rigamarole. If you are getting married/etc, how long until you have green card? Because that will also affect your chances - some places will hire you on a temp-to-perm basis if there is hope you will have a green card soon. If all these are new questions, you'll want to deal with an immigration lawyer of some kind - ideally before you even get here, to find out the timeframe for getting authorization to work here and all. Having said that, if it interests you enough, I would try to add to your credentials a security cert of some kind. There seems to be no shortage of companies seeking IT security people, and I think it can only improve your marketability. Good luck.

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