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Muslim-Bashing Republicans

By Bucky Kaufman (MCSD) ·
TechRepublic member Garion11 says that "right now today, in this day and age, its Islam, radical islam that is the problem".

This kind of Muslim-bashing has become common-place among Bush's more rabid followers. They rarely say it publicly, but rather they cower under the cover of internet anonymity.

Blaming Islam for all of America's problems serves no purpose, and runs counter to traditional American values of Religious 2Tolerance.

Personally, I think militant religious nuts in general are the cause of our terrorist problems. Once anyone crosses the line from "Praise God" to "Kill for God" - they become the enemy - Christian, Jew, Muslim, Wiccan - whatever.

What do you think? Do you agree with the religious intolerance expressed by Garion11 - that Islam is "THE" problem in the world?

Is this *really* the way Bush's followers feel about their Muslim brothers and sisters?

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Not all of us

by puppybreath In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republican ...

I would have to totally agree with your statement:

"militant religious nuts in general are the cause of our terrorist problems. Once anyone crosses the line from "Praise God" to "Kill for God" - they become the enemy - Christian, Jew, Muslim, Wiccan - whatever."

I don't think the problem can be generalized as easy as saying a particular religion is bad just as I don't think it's fair to say a particular race is bad. There are really evil people within any group you could possibly choose. That doesn't make the rest of the group evil.

I would still say that there seems to be large numbers of "splinter" groups of Islam radicals who are nothing more than terrorists. But I don't believe that they represent all Muslims and I don't believe that their religion has anything to do with their terrorist activities. They may use it as an excuse or a shield, but it doesn't mean that the religion is the issue.

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An Appeal to Reason

by olprof67 In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republican ...

First, I am not (by registration, anyway) a Republican. I'm a member of the Libertarian party.

That means, in a generalized way, that I try to base my economic, political and moral thinking on analysis in terms of empirical reason. In other words, if you try to walk on water, you're gonna get wet.

For most of us who follow this belief (of which Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand are probably the best-known advocates) it means that Government should simply stay away from attempts to regulate the economy.

In the purest form, it would also imply no legislated morality .. no restrictions on substance (ab)use or sexual conduct.

But that also implies full responsibility for your actions: I wouldn't care about gay civil unions one way or the other, except that the primary objective seems to be to allow large numbers of gay-loser couples to raid the Social Security system.

And if you ruin your health through unwise conduct, be it sexual profligacy, drug use, smoking, etc. It's not the duty of those who've been more responsible to clean up after you.

So the simple dyanmics of the political scene make it more likely that the Democrats wiil propose laws I view as a threat to my life's work. If the Republican is a proven bigot like Duke, Helms, North, Denton or Dornan, I might consider a Democrat, but it's rare to find a Democrat, and especially a Liberal Democrat, who understands that the problem is usually an attempt by legislators to undercut the natural workings of a market economy.

And that way to level the playing field is not to pass laws, but to repeal them.

Now consider radical (as opposed to mainstream) Islam. --- If you've read Malcolm X, you know that, like a secular Jew, he had little belief in a supreme being or afterlife. ("**** is when you're dumb!" -- Malcolm X).

But Fundamentalist Muslims, like Fundamentalist Christians and environmentalists, in varing degrees, believe that right is on their side by definition and that their actions are self-justifying.

And that pretty much explains my preference for conservatives over liberals and Republicans over Democrats, unless a Libertarian is available.

And I'll suggest a site --- www.freedomsnest.com

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Economics and religion

by jardinier In reply to An Appeal to Reason

I totally fail to see how economic policies have anything to do with racial hatred.

You have explained why, in most cases, you would choose to vote for a Republican rather than a Democrat -- and I know of other people -- including a regular at this website -- who call themselves Libertarian first, Republican second.

But what on earth does this have to do with the topic of the discussion? Are you implying that Republicans are innately more inclined than Democrats to be susceptible to racial hatred?

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Let's Put it This Way...

by olprof67 In reply to Economics and religion

Both major parties have what I view as a "captive embarrassment" -- a gritty underside that more easily falls prey to simplistic thinking, tends to demonize the opposition, and sees the answer in terms of increasing central authority, rather than allowing the issue to be addressed in the marketplace of ideas.

For the Democrats, it's the people who still see economics in terms of class warfare. For the Republicans it's those who see a more diverse and secular society as a threat to the traditional values they espouse.

And both have their "puppet masters" -- for the Democrats, it's the labor unions and urban political machines; for the Republicans, the small-town, small-business, small-thinking coalition that stifles individuality in the pursuit of cheap (and subservient) labor.

I just want to stay out of the cross-hairs of both.

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Statistically speaking ....

by jardinier In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republican ...

There are an estimated 1,780,000,000 Muslims in the world today.

Let's pluck a figure out of the air, and say that 10,000 or even 100,000 or even 1,000,000 of these people are radical terrorists.

You can readily see that the terrorist element is but a drop in the bucket compared with Muslims in general.

Tragically relatively few Westerners have had any personal contact with Muslims, and hence have no understanding whatsoever of the Islamic Faith.

To judge the beliefs and character of 1,780 billion Muslims on the visible actions of this small minority of terrorists, who in no way represent the true teachings of Islam, has created a totally unjustified hatred and fear of Muslims in general.

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In Australia ...

by jardinier In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republican ...

the equivalent of your Republican Party is the coalition of the "Liberal" and National Parties.

At the Federal election in November, 2001, Prime Minister John Howard callously exploited racism and xenophobia to win re-election, based on 9/11 and the arrival at the northern shores of Australia of illegal boat people, mostly from Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Concurrently there were several instances of pack rapes on young Australian girls by young Muslim Lebanese men.

I was quite horrified to encounter the intense racial hatred that obviously lay very close to the surface in people I had known for many years -- mostly Christians of course.

Very soon I intend opening up a can of worms with an issue which MUST be addressed, namely, the very unchristian beliefs and attitudes of supposed Christians who strongly align themselves with right-wing politics.

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Please STFU

by Garion11 In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republican ...

You are an ***/hole with an agenda. Bush won and I hope that he rams his Republican agenda down the throats of people like you.

Islam is the problem...we didn't start 9/11 they did. How can you be so fucking stupid?

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So do you believe...

by Aldanatech In reply to Please STFU

So do you seriously believe that absolutely ever single Muslim in the world is against us?

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I don't know and I don't care.

by Garion11 In reply to So do you believe...

What I do care about is me, my family, my friends, my neighbors, and my dog (sometimes not necessarily in that order).

I nor anyone I know of did anything (either volutnarily or knowledgebly) that hurt anyone in the muslim "world" or Arab countries. Am I responsbile for my government (both Democrat and Republican)? Of course I am but to only a degree. The people of a country can only be held responsible for their government in certain instances and not so in other instances...especially foreign policy. If these terrorists' justification to kill civilians (like 9/11 and the numerous Israeli bombings) is that we vote, then my personal tolerance and understanding of their way of life, so called "opression", their "cause", has gone out of the window. In other words I stop caring about their problems and I hope they die before I do.

As far as the Muslims or what not...I don't know if they are against us...and don't care either. What I do see in the world today is conflict between what these Muslims are and the democratic governments. Pakistan/India, Israel/The Arab countries, US/Muslim terrorits, Russia/Chechenya, Spain/Muslim terrorists, Bali bombings/Muslim terrorists. These are facts, not biases, not racial prejudices, not political statments, THEY ARE FACTS. Are all Muslims terrorists? No, but all terrorists at this point appear to be Muslims. That is not my problem, I didn't make them, but they certainly made me after 9/11.

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I care/I don't care/I care - NeoCon flap

by Bucky Kaufman (MCSD) In reply to I don't know and I don't ...

You cared before, when you were blaming them for all the problems in the world.

It's interesting how Bush's followers *believe* in such hate-based ideals - but when publicly confronted, renounce their own beliefs.

For you guys, personal accountability is a fiction.

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