Muslim-Bashing Republicans

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TechRepublic member Garion11 says that “right now today, in this day and age, its Islam, radical islam that is the problem”.

This kind of Muslim-bashing has become common-place among Bush’s more rabid followers. They rarely say it publicly, but rather they cower under the cover of internet anonymity.

Blaming Islam for all of America’s problems serves no purpose, and runs counter to traditional American values of Religious 2Tolerance.

Personally, I think militant religious nuts in general are the cause of our terrorist problems. Once anyone crosses the line from “Praise God” to “Kill for God” – they become the enemy – Christian, Jew, Muslim, Wiccan – whatever.

What do you think? Do you agree with the religious intolerance expressed by Garion11 – that Islam is “THE” problem in the world?

Is this *really* the way Bush’s followers feel about their Muslim brothers and sisters?

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Not all of us

In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republicans

I would have to totally agree with your statement:

“militant religious nuts in general are the cause of our terrorist problems. Once anyone crosses the line from “Praise God” to “Kill for God” – they become the enemy – Christian, Jew, Muslim, Wiccan – whatever.”

I don’t think the problem can be generalized as easy as saying a particular religion is bad just as I don’t think it’s fair to say a particular race is bad. There are really evil people within any group you could possibly choose. That doesn’t make the rest of the group evil.

I would still say that there seems to be large numbers of “splinter” groups of Islam radicals who are nothing more than terrorists. But I don’t believe that they represent all Muslims and I don’t believe that their religion has anything to do with their terrorist activities. They may use it as an excuse or a shield, but it doesn’t mean that the religion is the issue.

An Appeal to Reason

In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republicans

First, I am not (by registration, anyway) a Republican. I’m a member of the Libertarian party.

That means, in a generalized way, that I try to base my economic, political and moral thinking on analysis in terms of empirical reason. In other words, if you try to walk on water, you’re gonna get wet.

For most of us who follow this belief (of which Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand are probably the best-known advocates) it means that Government should simply stay away from attempts to regulate the economy.

In the purest form, it would also imply no legislated morality .. no restrictions on substance (ab)use or sexual conduct.

But that also implies full responsibility for your actions: I wouldn’t care about gay civil unions one way or the other, except that the primary objective seems to be to allow large numbers of gay-loser couples to raid the Social Security system.

And if you ruin your health through unwise conduct, be it sexual profligacy, drug use, smoking, etc. It’s not the duty of those who’ve been more responsible to clean up after you.

So the simple dyanmics of the political scene make it more likely that the Democrats wiil propose laws I view as a threat to my life’s work. If the Republican is a proven bigot like Duke, Helms, North, Denton or Dornan, I might consider a Democrat, but it’s rare to find a Democrat, and especially a Liberal Democrat, who understands that the problem is usually an attempt by legislators to undercut the natural workings of a market economy.

And that way to level the playing field is not to pass laws, but to repeal them.

Now consider radical (as opposed to mainstream) Islam. — If you’ve read Malcolm X, you know that, like a secular Jew, he had little belief in a supreme being or afterlife. (“Hell is when you’re dumb!” — Malcolm X).

But Fundamentalist Muslims, like Fundamentalist Christians and environmentalists, in varing degrees, believe that right is on their side by definition and that their actions are self-justifying.

And that pretty much explains my preference for conservatives over liberals and Republicans over Democrats, unless a Libertarian is available.

And I’ll suggest a site — http://www.freedomsnest.com

Economics and religion

In reply to An Appeal to Reason

I totally fail to see how economic policies have anything to do with racial hatred.

You have explained why, in most cases, you would choose to vote for a Republican rather than a Democrat — and I know of other people — including a regular at this website — who call themselves Libertarian first, Republican second.

But what on earth does this have to do with the topic of the discussion? Are you implying that Republicans are innately more inclined than Democrats to be susceptible to racial hatred?

Let’s Put it This Way…

In reply to Economics and religion

Both major parties have what I view as a “captive embarrassment” — a gritty underside that more easily falls prey to simplistic thinking, tends to demonize the opposition, and sees the answer in terms of increasing central authority, rather than allowing the issue to be addressed in the marketplace of ideas.

For the Democrats, it’s the people who still see economics in terms of class warfare. For the Republicans it’s those who see a more diverse and secular society as a threat to the traditional values they espouse.

And both have their “puppet masters” — for the Democrats, it’s the labor unions and urban political machines; for the Republicans, the small-town, small-business, small-thinking coalition that stifles individuality in the pursuit of cheap (and subservient) labor.

I just want to stay out of the cross-hairs of both.

Statistically speaking ….

In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republicans

There are an estimated 1,780,000,000 Muslims in the world today.

Let’s pluck a figure out of the air, and say that 10,000 or even 100,000 or even 1,000,000 of these people are radical terrorists.

You can readily see that the terrorist element is but a drop in the bucket compared with Muslims in general.

Tragically relatively few Westerners have had any personal contact with Muslims, and hence have no understanding whatsoever of the Islamic Faith.

To judge the beliefs and character of 1,780 billion Muslims on the visible actions of this small minority of terrorists, who in no way represent the true teachings of Islam, has created a totally unjustified hatred and fear of Muslims in general.

In Australia …

In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republicans

the equivalent of your Republican Party is the coalition of the “Liberal” and National Parties.

At the Federal election in November, 2001, Prime Minister John Howard callously exploited racism and xenophobia to win re-election, based on 9/11 and the arrival at the northern shores of Australia of illegal boat people, mostly from Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Concurrently there were several instances of pack rapes on young Australian girls by young Muslim Lebanese men.

I was quite horrified to encounter the intense racial hatred that obviously lay very close to the surface in people I had known for many years — mostly Christians of course.

Very soon I intend opening up a can of worms with an issue which MUST be addressed, namely, the very unchristian beliefs and attitudes of supposed Christians who strongly align themselves with right-wing politics.

Please STFU

In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republicans

You are an ass/hole with an agenda. Bush won and I hope that he rams his Republican agenda down the throats of people like you.

Islam is the problem…we didn’t start 9/11 they did. How can you be so fucking stupid?

So do you believe…

In reply to Please STFU

So do you seriously believe that absolutely ever single Muslim in the world is against us?

I don’t know and I don’t care.

In reply to So do you believe…

What I do care about is me, my family, my friends, my neighbors, and my dog (sometimes not necessarily in that order).

I nor anyone I know of did anything (either volutnarily or knowledgebly) that hurt anyone in the muslim “world” or Arab countries. Am I responsbile for my government (both Democrat and Republican)? Of course I am but to only a degree. The people of a country can only be held responsible for their government in certain instances and not so in other instances…especially foreign policy. If these terrorists’ justification to kill civilians (like 9/11 and the numerous Israeli bombings) is that we vote, then my personal tolerance and understanding of their way of life, so called “opression”, their “cause”, has gone out of the window. In other words I stop caring about their problems and I hope they die before I do.

As far as the Muslims or what not…I don’t know if they are against us…and don’t care either. What I do see in the world today is conflict between what these Muslims are and the democratic governments. Pakistan/India, Israel/The Arab countries, US/Muslim terrorits, Russia/Chechenya, Spain/Muslim terrorists, Bali bombings/Muslim terrorists. These are facts, not biases, not racial prejudices, not political statments, THEY ARE FACTS. Are all Muslims terrorists? No, but all terrorists at this point appear to be Muslims. That is not my problem, I didn’t make them, but they certainly made me after 9/11.

I care/I don’t care/I care – NeoCon flap

In reply to I don’t know and I don’t care.

You cared before, when you were blaming them for all the problems in the world.

It’s interesting how Bush’s followers *believe* in such hate-based ideals – but when publicly confronted, renounce their own beliefs.

For you guys, personal accountability is a fiction.

STFU you stupid ahole

In reply to I care/I don’t care/I care – NeoCon flap

You have serious problems with conservatives, go get a life you dumbshit communist.

all terrorists at this point appear to be Muslims

In reply to I don’t know and I don’t care.

all terrorists at this point appear to be Muslims?
Alas, no: once or more a week the Israeli army goes on a terror raid in the 1967 territories, killing far more people than the suicide bombers and other resistance agents manage, and also destroying houses, orchards and fields. The Israeli army consists mainly of people who are at least nominally Rabbinical Jews, not Muslims. And was Timothy McVeigh a Muslim?

Islam didn’t Start 9/11

In reply to Please STFU

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Islam is the problem…we didn’t start 9/11 they did. How can you be so ******* stupid?
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Islam didn’t start 9/11. Religiously intollerant, faith-based hatred (such as you repeatedly and unrepentantly express) caused it.

Is it remotely possible ….

In reply to Please STFU

Garion, that you could express your opinions without being rude at the same time?

If you are saying that I have an agenda, then you are perfectly correct.

However that agenda is not based on my political preference.

My agenda is to explore all these controversial issues so that we can come as close as possible to the truth, whatever that may prove to be.

So you might like to exercise your grey matter and determine WHY these ratbags attacked America.

Do you seriously believe that they did it just to pass the time of day?

So they have a grudge against America. Please do a bit of research and explain to us the reasons for this grudge.

Well said.

In reply to Is it remotely possible ….

Here is what I know so far: Osama Bin Ladden was born into a wealthy Saudi family whose family business focused on civil construction. Osama was well educated and went into the family business for a time before returning to school where he began studying the Koran under a radical Muslim cleric. Very soon after that the Russians invaded Afghanistan and Osama answered the call to Jihad and went along with thousands of other Muslims to fight along side the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan. He used his families money to buy weapons for the Mujahadeen fighters and to build a base of operations in Afghanistan. It was from this base where Al Qaeda (The list) was born. Osama quickly became a very popular leader in the Arab world by providing vast sums of money and resources to defeating the USSR in Afghanistan and building roads, schools and other civil projects at no cost to the local people.
After Afghanistan Osama returned to Saudi Arabia where he began to teach the Koran. He began to preach against the royal family more and more often and was told that if he didn?t change his preaching that he would be arrested. It was about this time that Saddam invaded Kuwait. Osama went to the Saudi royal family and offered to call his Al Qaeda fighters to go to Kuwait and oust Saddam as he did in Afghanistan. He was concerned that the Royal family not allow the ?infidel? to set foot on Saudi soil as this would be tantamount to sacrilege. Their choice is a matter of history and Osama railed bitterly against the Royal family after that to such a degree that he was told he would be arrested so he fled Saudi Arabia to the Sudan. He stayed in the Sudan for a number of years where he used his money and influence to build terrorist training camps and work projects for the Al Qaeda fighters who were fugitives of their own countries. It was from with in the Sudan where he began his assault on the west. There was an assassination attempt on his life while he was in the Sudan. It was at that time that the Sudanese government approached the US government and offered Osama Bin Laden to the US. The US could not bring any formal charges against Osama at the time so the US chose not to apprehend him at that time.
From the Sudan Osama moved his operation to Afghanistan where he built more terrorist training camps and created the plot to attack the United States. He wrote an intefada that was his formal declaration of war against the US for their presence in Arab affairs and the US support of Israel.
So we can see that Osama Bin Laden is working under his interpretation of the Koran and feels he is doing Allah?s work by attacking the Infidel and the friends of the Jews. His followers are following his doctrine and it is this Islamic fervor that is sweeping across the world.

Faith-Based Hatred

In reply to Well said.

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His followers are following his doctrine and it is this Islamic fervor that is sweeping across the world.
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It’s naive to think the gloabl anti-American sentiment is based on Islam. That’s the catalyst, not the cause.

The cause of the anti-American sentiment is a foreign policy that has armed both sides of their conflicts since WWII. At some point, they were bound to discover that the US was their true common enemy – the Great Satan.

That’s why Militant Christians are so the WRONG people to be fighting *against* terrorism. They themselves are terrorists, and it’s their own terrorist activities that are at fault.

That’s why they have failed so miserably to weaken al Quaeda – and in fact have embiggened it. Bush’s war against the people of Iraq is pumping $200M into fueling the terrorism industry… and encouraging militant Christians like the Klan, Aryan Nation, Christian Coaltion, Onward Christian Soldiers, Moral Majority and Branch Davidians.

Those hate groups are all over the print, broadcast and network media outlets – praising Bush for whacking brownies.

btw – How’d you like that football commercial? The one where the religious nuts got all uppity about a woman showing the flesh of her upper back (not even any T&A) but not about the violent 2 hours of football that followed it.

It’s like living under a watered down version of the Taliban.

“embiggened”?

In reply to Faith-Based Hatred

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Method
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As a republican….

In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republicans

When I am not out there “bashing muslims” or “bashing gays”….or “hating” or throwing “irrational neocon tantrums”, I am actually a pretty nice guy. Wow bucky….you see the world through a pretty tainted set of glasses…..

Republicans – Good Neighbors/Bad Leaders

In reply to As a republican….

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When I am not out there “bashing muslims” or “bashing gays”….or “hating” or throwing “irrational neocon tantrums”, I am actually a pretty nice guy.
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A lot of militant Christians are the same way. They keep their lawns mowed, their children don’t run around the hood at night, they respect the police and firefighters, and take part in community watches. Every fourth of July they have great barbques, salute the flag, and take their kids to the local parade.

Then, under white hoods or some other anonymizer, they go out and plant “strange fruit”.

One oops cancells out an awufl lot of attaboys.

This itiot must be trying to generate traffic…

In reply to Republicans – Good Neighbors/Bad Leaders

No one could possibly believe the manure he is shoveling….

What I want to know is…

In reply to This itiot must be trying to generate traffic…

When did being a Christian automatically make me a card carrying member of the KKK? I guess I?ll have to break it gently to all my black friends – All my black Christian friends that is. Maybe I should ask Bucky if Black Christians where hoods too?

Christian

In reply to What I want to know is…

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When did being a Christian automatically make me a card carrying member of the KKK?
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Who said you’re a christian?

Strange Fruit?

In reply to Republicans – Good Neighbors/Bad Leaders

What they are growing oranges at LBJ’s Library? Or has Ross Perot developed some new sinister business plan to combine lemons and limes on a single tree and have Bahamians take over as spokespeople for the resultant product?

Would you care to clarify that comment?

Billi Holliday

In reply to Strange Fruit?

It’s a soul song. Back before the Democrats forced the Civil Rights bill down the Republicans throats – southern gentlemen from places like Falwell’s Lynchburg used to go around hanging “strange fruit” from trees – for God and country.

How can you possibly be a B Film Fan and never heard of this song? It’s in like every third indy production.

[http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060959568/thekaufmannetwor]

Southern trees bear a strange fruit
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root
Black bodies swingin’ in the Southern breeze
Strange fruit hangin’ from the poplar trees

Pastoral scene of the gallant South
The bulgin’ eyes and the twisted mouth
Scent of magnolias sweet and fresh
Then the sudden smell of burnin’ flesh

Here is a fruit for the crows to pluck
For the rain to gather
For the wind to suck
For the sun to rot
For the tree to drop
Here is a strange and bitter crop

You need your hat and your sign fella….

In reply to Republicans – Good Neighbors/Bad Leaders

Tin foil hat bucky…..they block the signals
Good day (earth day!)
Your pal,
Scott

There is in fact a line between “Praise God” and “Kill for God”

In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republicans

Like you said Bucky, there is in fact a line between “Praise God” and “Kill for God”. The kind of terrorism we face today is based on those that cross that line, not on those who follow a religion of any sort. The administration should emphasize more on this. Because before we can ever defeat terrorism, we must first understand it.

Bucky has been ABDUCTED BY ALIENS!!!!!

In reply to Muslim-Bashing Republicans

Check out this link….

http://setiathome2.ssl.berkeley.edu/fcgi-bin/fcgi?cmd=view_feedback&id=17364

I believe that judging from the out of this worldly nature of buckys recent rants, the only plausible explanation is that he has actually found aliens, and in doing so, was abducted by them, and he is actually now speaking on their behalf…
So fellow techrepublic members…now is the time to BREAK OUT THE TINFOIL HATS!!!!!!!!!
LOL

LMAO

In reply to Bucky has been ABDUCTED BY ALIENS!!!!!

While reading your comments, I was thinking of a line from Independence Day. In the scene where the news commentator asked 2 men who knew the alcoholic pilot, one of them commented, “They did things to him…..Sexual things.”

I remember that…..

In reply to LMAO

Did you follow the link?……I found that and thought, what a gem….this could explain alot!…glad you liked it!

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