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Newsweek: Catching a spy at Hewlett-Packard

By DanLM ·
Everyone is complaining about the United States government data mining to protect civilian lives. Invasion of privacy hu? Well, read this article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14687677/site/newsweek/

The guts and the glory of this article is that Hewlett-Packard spied on board member private homes(phones)to find out who was leaking information. Yea well, if a 100 billion dollar company(read my previous posts on this) is willing to spy on it's own people. What do you think they are doing to the common person that buys their products? The only reason this became public is because when a board member resigns, they must report the reason why to the Securities monitoring agency.

What don't we know about what they are gathering on us? Or, is everyone still to blind to look at Corporations because they are still so anti President Bush. And you know what, not all of these corporations are American. You've given these rights to multinational cooperation's also. Owned and controlled by individuals outside the United States.

American citizens have no privacy, none. Let the government have the same ability you freely allow corporations to have to protect your life. Or else, quit being such hypocrites about it and apply the same standards to these corporations that you do the official government.

Dan

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What planet did you post from? Uranus? :-)

by TechExec2 In reply to Newsweek: Catching a spy ...

"...Let the government have the same ability you freely allow corporations to have to protect your life..."

What planet did you post from? Uranus? :-)

"Nobody" freely allows corporations to spy on them or misuse their personal information.

The HP corporate surveillance was or should have been illegal and should be prosecuted. And, surveilance by the government must be within the 4th amendment to the U.S. Constitution. And, during a war, some things are different than when there is not a war.

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Slippery slope

by JamesRL In reply to What planet did you post ...

The slippery slope on the HP case is that they did analysis on information that was HP's: the telephone billing that these directors submmitted as expenses to HP.

James

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I feel we are at war

by DanLM In reply to What planet did you post ...

I feel we are at war right now, and the government needs these abilities to combat foreign nationals that are using sleeper cells in the us. I feel the arguments against them having this ability is one sided when you look what various corporations gather and use on every day Americans. With no over site, with no good reason other then to turn a profit. At least the government is trying to protect our lives.

I used this article to highlight what I feel is routine collection and manipulation of information on American citizens by various corporations and what could happen if only a few people decided to run with it.

Dan

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FYI TechExec

by jdclyde In reply to What planet did you post ...

If you have a shopper discount card at a store, you are giving all of this information away.

If you pay with a credit card for all of your purchases, you are giving this data away.

In both places, they keep a data base on you. What you buy and how often, and that information is sold to others.

Do you "register" any product you buy because it tells you to? That registration card has small print that this information is gathered and sold.

Yes, HP does that with all of their products too.

YourAnus just got a little closer, huh? ;\

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Hey! I thought...

by TechExec2 In reply to FYI TechExec

Hey! I thought that "Uranus" double entendre was pretty good! :-)

Anyway, thanks for your post. I was aware that they collect all of that data that we willingly give. But, that is not "spying". It's the reported taking of data that was not given that is the apparent problem.

The only possibly objectionable thing in this HP boardroom case is about the way they obtained the phone records. If they obtained them through some kind illegal means, they should be prosecuted for that. Quoting from the MSNBC.COM article:

"...According to an internal HP e-mail, Dunn [chairwoman of the board] then took the extraordinary step of authorizing a team of independent electronic-security experts to spy on the January 2006 communications of the other 10 directors?not the records of calls (or e-mails) from HP itself, but the records of phone calls made from personal accounts. That meant calls from the directors? home and their private cell phones..."

That sounds like what they did was illegal, or should be.

edit: typo

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pretexting is illegal

by jdclyde In reply to Hey! I thought...

and that is how they got the information. They impersonated the individual to gain access to personal information. Something the government has not done, by the way.

I think MY uranus joke was better than yours was!

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Unfortunately

by TonytheTiger In reply to pretexting is illegal

the "shoot the messenger" mentality will overshadow any other wrongdoing. If you **** the whistle, you will be persecuted, regardless of ANY law.

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Slight correction

by ProtiusX In reply to What planet did you post ...

The United States Government is restricted by the 4th amendment only with respect to US citizens on US property. Foreigners (especially the foul, fetid fuzzy, filthy French) are open game.

</FUNNY>

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Sacre bleu mon ami!

by TechExec2 In reply to Slight correction

Holy sh*t my friend!

:-)

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This is appalling

by w2ktechman In reply to Newsweek: Catching a spy ...

After reading the article, I have to admit that this is appalling news. The company policy is probably set to nothing is confidential if it relates to HP equipment or over HP lines. But, they bypassed that and went for personal equipment and data. This sounds illegal.
Without a court order, I would hazard to guess that someone can/should be prosecuted in this matter.

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