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Happy thanksgiving.
today, october 10 is Thanksgiving.

so, for all those who celebrate the destruction of millions of people’s way of life, the mass slaughter of billions of living creature.
go ahead, celebrate the harvest from your stolen lands, watered with spilled blood.

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ok

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So how is it different than the British taking the lands of the Scots and other Gaelic folks? Nearly all the present gov’t systems around the world got there by squashing others and taking what they had. Throughout history, this has been the way things are. Only in recent history have the world powers questioned themselves seriously about conquest. Our approach with the American Indians was also one of conquest. They lost, we have the land. Now they have casinos and some are becoming millionaires.

We also kill and eat lots of other creatures to stay alive. We even have cooking shows on TV that “glorify” the carcasses. Then again, there are lots of other carnivores and bugs that kill and eat the creatures around them. So what?

Life goes on, but it rarely stays the same for long. It is not reasonable to assume that our culture, sucessful as it is, will remain viable and in control. Those who overthrow us may not even be technologically advanced, just lucky. The face of the world will change as a result, but that is the way of things. The Persians, Assyrians, Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, etc, all held world power at one time. Now they don’t. We shouldn’t assume that we will continue to lead the pack, despite our current freedoms, culture, and technology.

Hows it different?

In reply to ok

‘So how is it different than the British taking the lands of the Scots and other Gaelic folks? ‘

Simple – we dont celebrate it!

Neither do we

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“Thanks Giving” is not a celebration of the overthrow of the “Indian” nations.

While it is funny and distorted as to what our part really was in the hunting and gathering, it is MEANT to have people stop and look around themselves. To be happy with what you have, instead of always wishing for what you don’t have.

As for feeling sorry for the “poor Indian”, the bleeding hearts often neglect that they got where they were primarily by warring with other tribes as many were NOT peaceful farmers.

“We” did to them what they did to the people before them.

I personally will completely enjoy my turkey dinner, with mashed potatos, corn, dressing and pie!

My Thanksgiving dinner

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I will feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats.

Lot better than last year, when I had spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam.

Ok then

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You need to review history, stop reading the stuff you are reading and look at what is going on now! Please reduce in take of Caffeine and walk in the shoes of other people. This has been going on for well, for ever. Look at the people who blow them selfs up with babies and women who have nothing to do woith the problem. Will this fix the problem? No it just gives the people who plan those things a big laugh because they do not blow them selfs up!
You need to research this in more detail and please ask if you need more info.
I would be happy to help you, I am more then half indian and would be happy to help you find reasions to help others and help your self!

Lighten up

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Geez! Have you tried switching to decaf? If life is so terrible that you have nothing to be thankful for and all you see is the doom and gloom, maybe you should take the easy way out. I can’t wait for your take on Christmas. It will probably have something to do with Christmas trees behind barbed wire in Christmastreetion camps where they are allowed to slowly dry up and die. Life’s too short to always be negative and miserable.

Nice…that was a quality post

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My grandfather grew up on a reservation and worked for years to get himself off of it. Why not take on a better issue such as obesity or something more relevant. Or why not mention Christmas, a holiday that is meant to celebrate the life of a guy that was probably born in June, but the Christians didn’t want the Romans 180 day orgy to suck in there followers and decided to plant their holiest of days right in the middle of it…

How about we make a decision to celebrate the ideals behind these holidays rather than remembering the pain that the events brought?

Funny timing

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As I was reading puppybreath’s posting, Lee Greenwood’s “Proud to be an American” came on the radio.

jaqui, I’m so glad you’re able to post what you want without fear of government reprisal. That’s what we’ll be celebrating down here in six or seven weeks.

I’ve got no control over what others did in the past, and feeling guilty about their actions will not accomplish anything. If you’d like to suggest constructive ways to resolve the problems you perceive, please let us know what they are.

up there, down here

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up there you can enjoy your thanksgiving, but we still have a month and two weeks to go. I personally will be celebrating the mass slaughter of potatoes, as my family eats a lot of them. I myself will not be wringing the turkey’s neck, but maybe the neck’s of annoying family members in keeping with the tradition of slaughter.
Many happy holidays to you and yours and keep up that warm and toasty feeling you so expressed.

Republic Day

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in Portugal (10.10.1910), but I don’t think they celebrate it nowadays, having had 2 revolutions since – I imagine they celebrate the most recent revolution.

WTF?

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I had no freakin’ clue as to what our esteemed colleague Jackie was talking about. All I could think of regarding his diatribe about slaughtering billions of living creatures was our trying to exterminate termites and fire ants. I’m guilty as charged. I don’t want my house to crumble down just to please Jack. But, alas, ol’ Jackie was talking about Injuns? Oh for heaven’s sake, Jacko, quit living in the past. Why aren’t you bitching about more recent mass slaughters commited by countries other than the U.S.? Haven’t you heard of atrocities on other planets like Bosnia? Rwanda and Burundi? The Sudan? The Holocaust, perhaps?

I learned a lot from jaqui’s post.

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This is the posting that finally got the lesson through my thick skull not to open a discussion jaqui originates in the Miscellaneous topic.

Me too.

In reply to I learned a lot from jaqui’s post.

There have been a few times that I’ve written something here and later become embarrassed about it. I know. It’s hard to believe. Generally it is related to being overly harsh toward another TR member. Although I still feel bad about some of my posts I realize that other TR members have made similarly regretable posts. Some of Jaqui’s recent contributions have helped me to put my own mistakes into perspective. Maybe I’m not such a bad fellow after all. So thank you Jaqui for embarrassing yourself so badly that you have made me feel better about myself. 😀

(hahahahahahahahahahahahaha…)

Don’t worry. Since many of us are in the same boat we’ll still be your buddies when you come to your senses.

Give her a break

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I understand how you feel.

In the U.S. we have a neat way of avoiding conundrums like this: As a people we have absolutely no sense of history. Anything that happened before our grandparents were alive, meaning we never heard about it first-hand, is irrelevant. Most of us never even heard of it all, especially if we went to school any time since about 1964.

No guilt, no angst, no problem!

Of course that makes us look incredibly stupid when we get a leader who combines our national ignorance with his own personal hubris. Thinks he can stomp into the Middle East in his cowboy boots and resolve conflicts that are older than our COUNTRY? People who had been killing each other for a thousand years or more before his ancestors started giving the Indians smallpox?

We tell the Palestinians that the Israelis have first claim to the land because after all it is their ancestral home and we have to honor that… and the Palestinians can tell us, “Okay Mister Cowboy, then you have to give Arizona back to the Navajo.”

No wait, I’ve thought some more about it and I was wrong. Possession is nine points of the law, that’s an abiding principle of our legal system. The Palestinians are there, it’s not fair to take the land away from them… and the Israelis walk over and say, “Okay Dude, in that case you have to give Arizona back to MEXICO.”

We should stay out of things we’re culturally incapable of understanding.

The people who call themselves Britons are actually Anglo-Saxons. Their ancestors stole the land from the true Britons, whose descendants only survive in Wales, Cornwall, and Brittany. But then of course the Britons and other Celtic people stole the British Isles from the people who were already living there, the ones who built Stonehenge.

And who knows how many previous waves of migration wiped out other cultures on “Albion”? Humans have been building seaworthy boats for at least 40,000 years.

Giving him/her a break. And Israel/Palestine.

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Uh…Jaqui is a she?? :O Hell, I’ve always thought “Jaqui” is short for Jacques and that he/she/it is a he. Jaqui, reveal yourself! What are you? I wish we’d have to denote our gender in our profile. These freakin’ un-Englishified names. Why can’t everyone have regular names like Tom, Sue or M_a_r_k? Next subject, for DC Dude….

[i]”We tell the Palestinians that the Israelis have first claim to the land because after all it is their ancestral home”[/i]
This isn’t the US’ rule. This was a United Nations mandate sometime around 1947 AD. It’s just that no other country in the world is man enough to stand behind what the UN says. We got ourselves in the middle of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict because our trustworthy friends in Paris backed out on Israel days before the Six-Day War in 1967. At that time Israel was militarily weak. Or so everyone thought until they kicked the crap out of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq in a mere six days. After the French and the Brits left Israel high and dry, the US had to step as peace-broker and power-player and we’ve been stuck in the middle of it ever since.

It’s a boy!!!

In reply to Giving him/her a break. And Israel/Palestine.

That’s what the doctor said when Jaqui was born. Jacqui is a male, married, children, etc.

Like a boy named Sue, except this one is named Jacqueline. 😀 Ha ha. Jacqueline. How do I manage to be so hilarious? It’s a gift. Come to think of it I hope that isn’t really his name.

Actually I made the same mistake about Jaqui’s gender when I first started reading TR.

Just tell me

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you didn’t try to pick “him” up? :O

“Your not a sheila!” (as he grabs the package)

UN Resolution

In reply to Giving him/her a break. And Israel/Palestine.

The resolution partitioning Palestine into an Arab state and a Jewish state was probably contrary to the UN Charter; the US wanted to test it in the ICJ, but the UK said please let’s not, we want to get out of that mess. If we accept the Resolution, however, we must also accept its conditions, notably that non-Jewish people in the Jewish state have full civil and political rights, which means the 4,000,000 descendants of those the Israelis expelled in 1948 must be allowed home and have their property returned to them, whereupon they would vote for a united Palestine and the Israeli state as we know it would be finished.

Non-Jewish rights in Israel

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Non-Jews do have the same rights as Jews in Israel, as long as they are citizens of Israel. I think you are referring to the occupied territories (West Bank and Gaza Strip, which was recently given back to the Palestinians). These territories were not part of the original UN resolution. Israel occupied these territories after they won the Six-Day Way in 1967 and the Yom Kippur War in 1973. To the victor goes the spoils. There is growing concern in Israel that the higher birth rate of Palestinians compared to Jews will present the problem that you mentioned where Jews will be outnumbered in votes in elections.

No, I am not talking about the 1967 territories

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I am talking about the 1948 territories. According to the Partition Resolution – and in natural justice – those 4,000,000 exiles are Israeli citizens. Furthermore, non-Jews in the 1948 territories are more likely to have their land compulsorily purchased for immigrants use and they suffer some other disabilities. They have a different kind of ID card. Of course, the Israelis have stolen a lot of land in the 1967 territores too, and commit almost daily terrorist acts, but that is not what I was talking about.

Go back a few years to the Suez Crisis

In reply to Giving him/her a break. And Israel/Palestine.

In the Suez Crisis(1957), Egypt was in the process of nationalizing the canal that Britain had built and France had supported. Britain and France, with Isreal’s active military support, invaded the canal zone. The US intervened (through its dominance of the UN, and through economic threats to a vulnerable Britain)and forced Britain and France to withdraw.

So if you claim that Britain and France left Isreal high and dry, you should consider that the US forced its way into that situation by sidelining Britain and France. If there was a vacuum that the US fell into, it was one of their own creation.

James

if the U.S. had been consistent

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in regard for the rule of law and justice, if it had kept up its attitude at the Suez time, we would not now have the problems we do have in the Levant. But the Israelis set up AIPAC, which somehow became very influential in U.S. politics, and since then the U.S. has been unswayedly pro-Zionist, whatever the Zionists do.

Well, thanks anyway

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And Happy Columbus Day to you.

BTW, my ancestors were busy harvesting grapes in Italy and doing whatever Swedes do in Sweden while Americans 5 or 6 generations ago were out stealing the land. We just rode in on the coattails and enjoyed the spoils, so I’m innocent – innocent I tell ya.

Conquering the Finns and the Estonians?

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DMambo wrote:
“…doing whatever Swedes do..”
……
I believe the Swedes were conquering the Finnish and the Estonians. Got them involved in a real big war with Russia and Peter the Great.

Also exploited Greenland and Iceland

In reply to Conquering the Finns and the Estonians?

I hereby formally apologize for whatever part my relatives had in the destruction of Greenland and Iceland before about 1895. The Finns, however, can kiss my butt!!!

( 😉 )

While I don’t claim innocents

In reply to Well, thanks anyway

Most of my relatives came over within the last century as well.

Lets just leave it as “blameless” in this endevor, thus feel as much to blame as for Rome in its days of conquest. None.

significance of Columbus

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When Columbus met people in the Caribbean, humanity came full circle around the world. That is when the noosphere started. That humanity around the world committed the same crimes against itself as it had been committing spread out over the world is a secondary matter.

So that is what the Canadian Thanksgiving is about?

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In the USA, our Thanksgiving (on the 4th Thursday of November) celebrates nature’s bounty for the harvest and gives thanks to God, commemorating celebrations of such nature by some of the first English settlers in North America in Virginia and Massachusetts. You sure have a strange theme for the Canadian version of Thanksgiving. I guess the spilled blood from the Canadian version is from all the Hockey fights.

Switzerland

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Isn’t Switzerland the only country in the world not created by conquest?

My father’s ancestors were Swiss engineers who immigrated to Canada in the late 1800’s… and migrated to the US around 1900… My mother’s ancestors were English Canadian Furtraders who came to the US around the same time and although my parents and I were born in the US… I don’t feel guilty for celbrating the bountiful gifts that God provided the settlers allowing them to survive the hrash winter the experienced WITH the indians who were their friends… Thanksgiving is just what it’s name implies…

We (Americans) didn’t begin the genocide of the native American Indians until our government had grown sufficiently large to act without the direct consent of the people… quite a while after the tradition of Thanksgiving was established.

But you certainly know you American holidays :^O

Norway too

In reply to Switzerland

Norway was actually at one time part of Sweden, who was not always a neutral country. The wars between Sweden and Russia would fill many history books. But Norway peacefully broke away from Sweden in the 1800s.

As to the American Indians, I knew alot of the history, and Spielbergs latest “Into the West” confirms that things were relatively peaceful between the tribes and the white fur traders until a) the massive migrations from the east, b) the mass slaughter of the buffalo and c)the endless number of broken treaties from the US feds. Sitting Bull, Red Cloud, Crazy Horse all had made peace and signed treaties, all of which were broken, before they made war on the settlers.

Canada had much fewer problems as our western boom happened decades later. The Riel rebellion was a minor skirmish and we never had anything on the scale of Little Big Horn or as horrific as Wounded Knee. But at the end of the day, though they generally had better conditions, our natives like Americans were forced onto reservations and denied their traditional way of life.

During the American revolution and the War of 1812, many tribes, particularly the Iroquois were allies of the British against the Americans, and they were responsible for keep Canada British.

In 1812, many of the western tribes formed an alliance and were lead by Tecumseh. This is the force that scared the defenders of Fort Detroit into surrender. They were promised upper Michigan (hi JD) but that promise died when Tecumseh was killed and the great Indian alliance faded away.

I am always curious about how Tecumseh became an American folk hero when he fought against the US. In one of those ironic twists, American school kids probably are more familiar with the name that Canadians.

James

Norway…

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was part of Denmark until early in the 20th Century. At partition, the Danish King’s second son became King of Norway.

More complicated than that

In reply to Norway…

According to this official website, Norway was made part of Sweden in 1814, having been taken away from Denmark as a result of the Napoleonic wars.

http://www.norway.org/1905-2005/separation/

In 1905, Norway peacefully separated from Sweden and they chose the son of a Danish King to become King of Norway.

James

Anyway, regarding Thanksgiving

In reply to oh yeah

“This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let’s not bicker and argue over who killed who!”

(a little quoting from Monty Python) 🙂

Go away or I shall taunt you again!!!

In reply to Anyway, regarding Thanksgiving

you snivelling k-niggetts :^O

excuse me, but

In reply to Go away or I shall taunt you again!!!

it’s actually, “Go away or I shall taunt you a second time.”

“your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries”

In keeping with the original post,

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“What are you going to do, bleed on me?”

Anybody else notice how jaqui tossed out this little grenade but hasn’t followed up? If he didn’t want to discuss it, why didn’t he blog it?

because he’s Jaqui

In reply to In keeping with the original post,

He likes to light fires and run. ha ha. I was wondering myself as he continues to start more threads, but has not returned to this one. hmm….

This fire got too hot for him…

In reply to because he’s Jaqui

It was a rather ill thought post in the first place… but anyone who likes Thanksgiving with the settling of America and the genocide like goernment policy towards the native Americans and some strange perspective on murdering turkeys, doesn’t know much about history in the first place (and remember, there was no one but indians in HIS country before it was settled as well)

:^O

He has really

In reply to This fire got too hot for him…

had a wild hair up his a$$ lately, not sure exactly what has set it off.

Maybe he will explain at the end of the firestarter series he is setting off?

Oh yeah you RACIST surflover! They are NOT “Indians”, but “Native Americans”! (j/k) Although technically so is EVERYONE who was born in one of the many Americas. 😀

Thanks JD

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I haven’t been called a racist in a long time… Come to think of it… I thin this is a first… I dated a black girl when I was in HS in Detroit… which at the time, could’ve cost me my life :-)…

but at the time I never thought about it… She was REALLY Hot ;-)… Halle Berry has nothing on her 🙂

It has been at least

In reply to Go away or I shall taunt you again!!!

three days since I have seen that movie!

Now that I have my boys ADDICTED to python, I will be getting the NEW BOX SET that is coming out of ALL of the python. Suppose to be between $140 and $200 US.

I can’t wait!

Me Either

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Python is still my Favorite!!!!

Hey Jaqui

In reply to oh yeah

Canada is no better…they treated their natives no better and ran them off their lands and shunned their culture out of “civilised” Canadian society. Here’s a website that documents it all.

http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ch/rcap/sg/sgmm_e.html

Happy Thanksgiving, hok-si (that’s Chickasaw… I’ll let you go find the translation 😉 )

I beg to differ

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As far back as the American revolution, there were tribes living in America, who chose the British over the Americans, and after the revolution they moved north to Canada.

What happened after the American civil war, with the “war” against the natives, didn’t happen in Canada. The Riel Rebellion (metis were the product of marriages between the natives and french fur traders) was brief. The settlement of the Canadian West was relatively peaceful.

While the record isn’t perfect, Canada was generally better at keeping its treaty obligations. There were occasions where the US federal government was starving natives on the plains reservations, and those natives came north to Canada, where they were fed.

Sitting Bull was well treated in Canada – he came in peace and promised to be peaceable.

http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/Saskatchewan/sitting_bull.htm

I would agree that the Indian Act and the residential schools were flawed endevours – but frankly the ideas for the residential schools came from America.

I grew up near the largest reserve in Canada, went to school with many natives. My uncle taught high school across the arctic for 15 years.

I’m not proud of how Canada treated the native peoples, but the record isn’t as bad as America’s record.

James

Why argue about something that happened 150 yrs ago?

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None of us are any other living American had anything to do with all of this. You guys are almost as bad as the Sunnis and Shiites arguing about which brother was the first to fly to heaven on a horse in 500 AD.

Yes, but

In reply to Why argue about something that happened 150 yrs ago?

how can we be satisfied with our lives until we’ve proven that our country, political party, religion, or views (pick one) are better than everyone else’s? To accept the idea that there’s good AND bad points to any view would eliminate all the arguing and make it way too quiet. We Druids have always been superior to the rest of you anyways.

And it is much easier

In reply to Yes, but

to make yourself look grand by knocking someone else down than to actually be grand in the first place?

Now here is a biscuit for that breath, puppy! 😀

give him on eofr me too JD

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:^O

Boy, Did I fat finger that title !

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:^O

Bloody Druids!

In reply to Yes, but

Wandering in and nicking our Solar Temple! We sweat blood building Stonehenge and we’d only had the damn thing for 4,000 years – loads of use left in it – before the damned Druids claimed it as theirs.

Still, at least the Romans sorted [b]them[/b] out! Though we now get the “modern” Druids acting like right pratts during the summer solstice at Stonehenge.

Nice people, you Druids. The Druids’ idea of a good night out was to staple the belly-button of an unbeliever to the sacred oak tree and whip him around it until his intestines had been pulled out…

So….

In reply to Bloody Druids!

what’s your idea of a good night out? I happen to like stapling belly buttons. And don’t forget that DEVO were all Druids. That’s why their song was “Whip It Good”.

Druidia

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So, how did the Druids cope with the Spaceballs stealing all the air from planet Druidia? Good thing Lonestar (who used the Schwartz, taught to him by Yogurt), Barf, and Princess Vespa were able to defeat the Spaceballs and return your air.

“Your Schwartz is as big as mine!!” – Dark Helmet

🙂

“isn’t as bad”

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I love that.

If we compare ourselves to someone else, we don’t seem as bad?

Too funny.

yep

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That’s why I like to read Dear Abby. It’s nice to know that someone is having a worse day than I am.

Please pass the rolls

In reply to oh yeah

🙂

And the turkey head!

In reply to Please pass the rolls

you can use it as a center piece! After all, you don’t want to waste part of it!

If we weren’t suppose to eat animals, they wouldn’t be made of meat!

And the lambs and sloths…

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…and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats.

and…

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a rabbit with big pointy teeth?

That is why you need…

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..The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

all I have to say is

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RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY!

“You made me soil myself for nothing!”

1…. 2….. 5!

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“3 sir” “yes, right. 3!”

Make sure you follow the instructions

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‘First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.’

Amen

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🙂

What would jaqui think?

In reply to all I have to say is

if he found out his firestater post turned into the discussing or religious artifacts, followed by a hearty amen? :^O

“I did it again”

In resp: to you post about Jaq

In reply to all I have to say is

I think we should (a bit at a time, taking turns), recite the grail from beginning to end… to show how “relevant” his original was to begin with…

Or maybe I’ll start another post at the beginning, and see who chimes in :^O

PS: Great minds think alike… I posted my “run away” to girlies post before I read yours…

What was the saying about internet discussions and Nazis?

In reply to all I have to say is

I remember reading somewhere that you know that an internet discussion topic has degraded and is about to come to an end when someone starts bringing up Nazis or Hitler. Maybe that should be changed (on TechRepublic at least) to when people start quoting from Monty Python. 🙂

Alt Folklore Urban rule

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If it gets to the point where people are calling each other Nazis, end the discussion.

James

urban rule

In reply to all I have to say is

does that include when wingnuts do the same thing to compare Bush to Hitler? Or is that an exception around here?

It does work to completely remove all credibility for any and everything else they will say, but that doesn’t seem to stop them? It also shows people with no knowledge of history.

RUN AWAY !!!!!

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:^O

Who?

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Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

Always a favorite

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although you HAVE to say it twice.

I just recently bought the “box set” and it comes with the entire script. It is as funny to just sit and read as to watch the show.

And now that my twin boys are addicted to it, they FINALLY understand and “get it” when I have been saying monty quotes as long as they can remember. They finally realize just how funny the crazy old man is! 😀

Oh yeah, now THEY are quoting it is well. So cool to hear from 13 year olds!

http://www.buycostumes.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=19104&PCatID=&ccatid=

Check this costume out! Right on theme. B-)

Surflover, Run Away from Wilma!!

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Are you having to evacuate because of Wilma? Or is it a Killer Rabbit this time?

Remember, if you get short on supplies, you can eat Sir Robin’s minstrels.

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