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By jardinier ·
If it is not yet official, can we start with the assumption that Hillary will run with Obama. If they win government, how do you think this will affect America?

Incidentally the third (but far from insignificant) member of the COW will start withdrawing its troops from Iraq. I am not sure of the schedule but our PM Kevin Rudd has declared that they have done all they can do.

A Labor PM would never have sent Australian troops to Iraq in the first place.

Do you think a Democrat Government in the USA would have instigated the invasion?

Several questions, lots of opinions sought.

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Obama won't take Hillary, and Dems wouldn't start no damn Iraq war, neither

by DelbertPGH In reply to Opinions requested by an ...

I think Obama would be crazy to take Hillary on as VP. She is no team player, and she is a Democratic party loyalist only so long as the party is behind her. She'll divide the party, the campaign, and the government, so long as she is number 2. The idea of her as V.P. only has legs in so far as so many of her supporters are crazy mad in love with her, are heartbroken at their avatar's loss, and need something to stop hating the man (the underqualified black man) who beat her. Actually, a couple months to cool off should fix that. So long as Hill doesn't keep stirring up the hate, that is.

I can't see anybody, Republican or Democrat, so deluded as the Bush team was that they could take over Iraq and run it with no problems. Just about anyone would see a war as a gamble, everyone knew there was no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda, and there were certainly less risky ways of dealing with the WMD threat (which turned out to be an international hallucination) than invading the place with a land army.

George W. Bush has a unique combination of personality traits and beliefs that led him to foist this disaster on us, in the faith that it was a good idea:
1) GWB believed in action, not reflection
2) GWB has a leadership style that holds an executive should not know too much, but should trust his subordinates to place the best choices before him, from which he will make the final decision
3) GWB put complete faith in neo-con ideologues, who wrote the articles and did the research he was too bored personally to attend to, and whose conclusions aligned with his overall world view
4) GWB believed the world was ripe for change and that the U.S. had spent a decade losing its way, and that a bold executive could implement change that would remake the world in our favor for the next fifty years
5) GWB hated restraints upon his freedom of action, which would limit Presidential effectiveness
6) GWB believed the country was suffering under unnecessary self-imposed restraints and delusions, which must be ignored if fundamental security, and beyond that, national greatness, were to be achieved
7) GWB takes trust and obedience as necessary principles in all his staff

For average Americans, the time was right for a President who didn't act like he knew any more about running the country than they did, but had the general ideas that they seemed to agree with. He was the kind of guy you could shoot the bull with over the barbeque, and have the feeling he was all right. Given the magic of 9/11, GWB's illusions, proclivities, support network, and tendency to wall himself off from any form of reflection, criticism, or restraint, brought forth the conditions of a perfect storm, and gave us Iraq.

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I like your last paragraph

by NickNielsen In reply to Obama won't take Hillary, ...

For average Americans, the time was right for a President who didn't act like he knew any more about running the country than they did, but had the general ideas that they seemed to agree with. He was the kind of guy you could shoot the bull with over the barbeque, and have the feeling he was all right.

So we elected a C student who didn't show up for his flight physical.

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I've had a lot of practice

by DelbertPGH In reply to I like your last paragrap ...

I've been spitting mad for almost eight years.

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Chuckle, if you voted Kerry. You voted for the dumber of the dumb

by DanLM In reply to I've had a lot of practic ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Mr. Bush's score on the Air Force Officer Qualifying Test at age 22 again suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the 95th percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q. was about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's extrapolation of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

I couldn't stand Kerry, I flat out hate Gore.

**** Gore wasnt that smart either. Again...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A37397-2000Mar18
Gore arrived at Harvard with an impressive 1355 SAT score, 625 verbal and 730 math, compared with Bush's 1206 total from 566 verbal and 640 math. In his sophomore year at Harvard, Gore's grades were lower than any semester recorded on Bush's transcript from Yale. That was the year Gore's classmates remember him spending a notable amount of time in the Dunster House basement lounge shooting pool, watching television, eating hamburgers and occasionally smoking marijuana. His grades temporarily reflected his mildly experimental mood, and alarmed his parents. He received one D, one C-minus, two C's, two C-pluses and one B-minus, an effort that placed him in the lower fifth of the class for the second year in a row.

Better yet, the ahole that push's his global warming crusade because he sucks at politics. Also sucked at science.
For all of Gore's later fascination with science and technology, he often struggled academically in those subjects. The political champion of the natural world received that sophomore D in Natural Sciences 6 (Man's Place in Nature) and then got a C-plus in Natural Sciences 118 his senior year.

So debb... I find it strange that you critize George Bush for lack luster grades but do not do the same for the other 2 candidates he ran against.

And no, I won't vote for Oboma.... Even though my oppinion has changed about him for the better. I wanted Hillary...

Dan

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funny thing about Bush

by jck In reply to Chuckle, if you voted Ker ...

He would have been failed out...but...have you ever heard of Prescott Bush?

Wonder how he got to stay in? Can you say...endowment? building with grandpa's name on it? lol

I find most of the ninnies on Capital Hill are about as smart as the german shepherd i had as a kid...maybe not even that smart.

At least Gore tries to do something for the world to better it.

Bush has just been padding the pockets of his administration's buddies while the rest of the country suffers and falls into an economic cesspool.

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Oh, yeah

by jdclyde In reply to funny thing about Bush

Gore isn't padding his own pockets by buying and selling carbon credits?

He is in this for himself. If he was for "the movement" he wouldn't need to have intentionally distored things in his slide show.

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Al Gore

by jck In reply to Oh, yeah

is no longer and elected representative who is supposed to represent the best interests of the people of this country.

Bush is.

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Not the one that brought up algore

by jdclyde In reply to Oh, yeah

You are.

And what does trying to be cute about his grades have to do with todays handling of "the best interests of the people of this country."? nothing.

It was just another childish slam against Bush for the sake of slamming Bush, not talking about his policies or how they get implemented. right? right.

Anywho, he is going to be gone and the poor bush haters will have to find a new Republican to direct their hate towards.

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actually if you'll read back just *one* post before mine

by jck In reply to Oh, yeah

DanLM brought him up...not me.

Thanks.

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As well...

by jck In reply to Oh, yeah

DanLM brought up:

SAT Scores
Intelligence
school performance

So...I was following up on his post. Not just bashing Bush for the **** of it.

Thanks again.

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