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We hear all the time from the loonie left about the intolerant religious right. It has been almost a battle cry for at least the last decade.

Just how "tolerant" are these same loonie lefties with anything that they don't agree with? Here is an example from FAKE James (JamesG http://tinyurl.com/dgkoe ) from Albuquerque, NM, not the REAL one (JamesRL) up in Canada.

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One of your fellow TechRepublic members has sent you a private message:

From: JamesG@...
Subject: abortion
Message:
Typical Repugnant fool - keep government out of our lives! Freedom! Wait, you want to make a mdeical decision I don't agree with??? You can't have an abortion!! I don't approve!!
Well, keep your right wing fascist nose out of my wifes panty hose, you f@@k.
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Thanks fake James. You have confirmed everything I had thought about you.

For the casual reader, you may be asking "what the H E double L is he going off on?"

I have to ASSuME that this is in regards to a recent discussion with "ABSOLUTELY". I was comparing the contradictions for both Dems and Reps, and he made the contention that Abortions are NOT "birthcontrol".

http://tinyurl.com/ah8pr

(my post, his reply, then my reply.)

My counter was:
"Abortion for non-life threatening reasons, or the rape/incest IS birthcontrol because that is the only function being performed. Controlling birth."

At no point did I discuss making this illegal or preventing FAKE James from taking his wife for as many abortions as his sick little heart wants. I only made the call of being HONEST enough to call it what it is. If you are not willing to be honest about this FAKE James, so be it. Maybe you can get frequent flier miles if you do it enough and pay for it with your credit card?

Abortions should be safe, legal, and rare is the stance I have always taken. Don't worry FAKE James, I will stay out of your wifes panies.

(what are some people thinking?)

[i]NOTE: see how nice I was to NOT post his email address, as he has peer messages turned off? Of course, that doesn't stop him from peering others, OR putting his comments in the dicussion where they originate from? No, lets make it a personal attack instead? Nice and tolerant of you FAKE JamesG. Real nice. By the way, to you eat with that mouth?

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by sleepin'dawg

the probably excellent opportunity of getting into her panty hose, don't you think you should see her first??? I said excellent opportunity based upon the post is from FAKE JamesG. A dillhole like that probably isn't keeping the home fires burning, so to speak. You might be performing the poor girl a service. But then she did marry FAKE James so she is either blond or ugly enough to gag a maggot on a gut wagon; you'd have to see her first before deciding. :^O

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

by Member 25348569

I might not agree with your stance on abortion (might?) but when I read your views on an open forum I respect them enough to answer in public.

To send you emails like that is the act of a complete idiot and one who is obviously afraid of public debate on his views. Some might agree with him but they've little chance of showing that if he doesn't want to post them publicly.

Keep out of her panties, pal. They're probably too big to fit you properly. Anyway, if her taste in men is anything to go by...

:D

p.s Just to stir the pot - abortion for rape or incest is [b]also[/b] birth control and if you can agree to abortion under those circumstances...

by jdclyde

then you MUST be mistaken! :D

You disagree that abortion should not be a casual thing of "oh dang! I'm knocked up again!"?

It did take me a bit to figure out what FAKE James was going on about, as there hasn't been a lot of discussions about this topic recently and I didn't remember EVER saying ANYTHING to him about it. Like I said, I can only ASSuME that this was what his friendly email was about. :p

To put the lid on the pot before it boils over, still a form of birth control, but not because of an "oops" based on the babykillers part. (I almost kept that neutral.....)

Besides, about the panties. He sounds like one of those "abused husbands" that they talk about in the news. Goes home and she kicks his a$$ from one side of the house to the other. :^O

by absolutely

Do you realize that your stance amounts to encouraging people that stupid to bring more children into the country? We already have enough morons, whatever side of every other argument on every other issue you take. We're falling behind third world countries in math & science and we've been behind the industrialized world for years. The United States is already riding on foreign (immigrant) skill. Let's not add to the dead weight sector of the economy, and of the gene pool.

by faradhi

The problem here is the opinion of many that you must be one or the other. You are either for abortion or against it. You are either pro religion or anti-religion. You are either a loony liberal or richeous right. And if you are anywhere in between you are wishy washy.

This guy appears to have his self esteem tied up in an issue that any suggestion that there may exist situations where his point of view may not fit makes him lash out. This type of position is what has created groups like the KKK, those Tree huggers that blow up processing plants and throw blood on those who wear furs, or those loon's that blow up abortion clinics.

I can usually argue both sides of any issue . I do not usually make my mind up until I can argue both sides. This is the difference between being rational and irrational. IMHO, the EXTREME left and EXTREME right tend to be wrong.

by jamesrl

I won't claim to be an expert, but I have been to US political conventions, read "Campaign and Elections" and followed US politics for a long time (when I was a kid I watched the Watergate hearings).

US Politics is highly polarized. I don't know whether its the fast moving sound bite media world we live in, or that politeness and tolerance have gone out the window. Its all mud all the time, and frankly the Republicans and Democrats are both very muddy. In the old days, parties would work together and come up with compromises that often worked out great, but there seems no will to put aside partisanship anymore.

Politicians of varying stripes in Canada have tried to introduce these kinds of tactics, and the voters have punished them for it. It seems to work in the US though.

James

by bfilmfan

I believe the peoples of the Northern woods and plains and dales and whatever else they have up there in the bear and moose laden land are simply literate.

The US literacy rates proves a large number of the citizens can't read and a vast number more can't understand what they read.

by jdclyde

Many Americans are too lazy and disinterested to watch the news or read a news paper. It would cut into their "American Idol" watching time. (heaven forbid!)

Because of this, people have tried to interject EMOTION into politics. The EASIEST emotion to get people going with is HATE. If you can get people to HATE, you can get them to move. We just got done seeing a whole election based on "Not Bush".

Dishonest people will blame President Bush for a lot of their hate, or the size of the divide between right and wrong (left :p ), but this has been like this for a long time. It is just people don't have ANY respect or restraint anymore and think that any means is justified to accomplish THEIR agenda.

There is a lot of this to go around, but there is a certain group that I DO see a pushing of HATE a lot more out of.

(nice to hear from the REAL James too! :D )

by absolutely

The problem is the whim worshipers who constitute the market for that media trash. They love it when their politicians crack jokes, get angry, or display extreme emotions, as long as they're saying words that approximate their own biases. Which premise is correct and which is incorrect do not factor into the resolution of policy debates in the voting and contribution choices of the vast majority of the populace, thus they do not factor into the resolution of policy debates in, between, and among the branches of the government. You're too generous.

by maxwell edison

You said, "In the old days, parties would work together and come up with compromises that often worked out great, but there seems no will to put aside partisanship anymore."

That's a HUGE misconception. We've ALWAYS had partisan politics in the US, just as designed. And it's not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, it's a GOOD thing.

Moreover, the partisan politics of today is tame when compared to what's gone on in our history. I don't know where you got your information, but it sure is wrong.

by faradhi

How dare I challenge people to actually think and examine things critically.

I should be ashamed of myself. I'm not, but I should be.

by jdclyde

it shows you don't have convictions you are willing to stand up for if everything in your life is one big compromise.

SOME issues ARE right and wrong, black and white.

It is only when the party is more important than the ideas that we have real problems.

by faradhi

It is the "Not Bush" approach that is killing the Democrats. The Democratic party must give voters something to vote for. The Republicans did this with the contract with America. That gave people a reason centrists (like myself) a reason to vote for republicans. (Not to mention that my congressman at the time was a dirt bag that was getting elected because of his color. But I digress.) That, in combination with the Extreme left hijacking the party, has crippled the Democrats.

by montgomery gator

Believe it or not, Sean Hannity was saying the same thing on the radio on Friday. He was interviewing Sen. Joe Lieberman, and Hannity told Lieberman that he would vote for him if he lived in the same state as Lieberman.

If there were more Democrats like Sen. Joe Lieberman (and Zell Miller of Georgia), then we could have a good choice and decent political debate instead of the usual "I vote for Republicans because Democrats are much worse", which I often end up doing.

by jdclyde

If you look at the positions of the Right, they are no where NEAR as far "right" as they used to be. They are still generally "correct", but NOT "far right". Yes, there are always exceptions to the rule but you can't blame the Conservatives because a few mentally challenged individuals will say or do something stupid (Roberson) that are NOT elected representatives anyways.

Good thing (for the right) that the left can't say the same thing. Has anyone ever heard Sen. M.Waters in CA say ANYTHING that wasn't stupid? How about Kennedy? Just HOW does he keep getting elected? What is the major malfunction of the people in his state?

How about the NAACP calling two black Americans to obtain the third highest position POSSIBLE in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA being just "tolkens". Powell and Rice just aren't "black" enough? That should be a REAL wakeup call to what that organization is all about. "If you work hard and get an education, you can be called a tolken too!"

by montgomery gator

Then you could be called a "Tolkien".

Sorry, couldn't resist, with your misspelling of "Token". Otherwise, you know I agree with you almost all the time, including this time. :-)

by jdclyde

Anyone else reading the "Tyranny" discussion? Just check out his latest spree.

He has fallen off the deep end and it is a sad thing to see. Just hope it wasn't this discussion that pushed him over the edge...... I would almost feel guilty..

I lie. It wouldn't bother me one bit.

by jdclyde

Catching up on some of the other discussions, it seems Fake James has really taken a shine to Maxwell. He has been polite and thoughtful in all of his responses, making it hard to argue with his posts? Not in this life time! :D [i](I crack myself up!)[/i]

But he does look to be TRYING to sucking up to Neil! Got a fan club now Neil? :^O Although his ignorant, rude, and hateful posts seem in cold contrast to your thoughfully sarcastic posts. Not a good fit.

by Member 25348569

Never.

Ironic - oh yes! But sarcastic? Nearly never. Sarcasm is irony with intent to wound and, seriously, I like you all too much to be anything other than a bit scathing!

:D

by maxwell edison

...but for the most part, I'm just ignoring him. I did, however, leave him my "favorite link". That still cracks me up.

by jaqui

you know very well that ripping someone apart with sarcasm is one of life's little joys, quit denying it. ]:)

by maxwell edison

I know I do.

A related story:

Not too long ago, a guy in the office was being a real PITA (Pain In The ....) to some other people, and I thought he was being kinda' out of line. I wasn't really involved, on way or the other, except just being aware of what was going on. His office is actually a cubicle in what we call our "bull pen" area, the typical cubicle farm with lots of people and very little or no privacy, especially when volumes on radios or speakers are turned up, making phone calls, and the like.

Well, one morning, I made sure, without anyone noticing me, that his speakers were turned up pretty loud. And what would you know, that very morning he received an email from some unknown sender, some name he didn't know, from some Yahoo email account. (Gee, I wonder who sent that email?) Of course, the email had a link.

I made sure I was hanging out in the area that morning when he got into the office, and as we all know, the first thing everybody always does is download their email, right? Everybody in the area heard that all too familiar jingle. I was laughing so hard that I almost ..... well, we don't have to go there, but it was hard to remain unnoticed. But you should have seen all the heads pop up out of the cubicles, just like you might see in a Dilbert cartoon. Needless to say, all eyes and ears tuned into his cubicle.

You gotta' love it. A practical joke played on somebody, and he had (has) absolutely no idea who did it, especially when it was the guy he might least suspect.

Save that link, Neil. It's a lot of fun.

(I always tell these people to never open links in emails sent by unknown people. They just never listen!)

by jdclyde

I don't suppose you remember what the email said that got him interested in the link?

It really DOES amaze me how people think they HAVE to follow EVERY link AND open EVERY attachment.

My question on spam mail. How exactly did I get on the "limp list"? :O Viagra and such? Not yet! ;\

by jdclyde

Last night I was walking through this and a few of the other discussions that Fake James has been soiling to show my boys. (they were laughing!)

It is to the point that they recognise the site and know just when to start singing with it! Way too funny.

And like I said, I noticed that MOST just ignore him. Even people that believe the same things do because he is such and id10t and is completely incapable of having a discussion. He is used to hammering his bullet points in peoples faces, and no one in the real world will tell him that he is full of it.

by jellimonsta

I know what is coming every time I see that link, I still have to click it! :D

Kind of like looking at the flame of an arc welder! :)

by x-marcap

We might argue over our favorite Adult beverages,
Tastes great, More fattening...

Do I hold you in contempt, no.

Do I think you are occasionally bang on, Yep.

Are you ever wrong. Yes sir.

Would I burn down your house? Never. You have books there...

Tim

by absolutely

A request to TechRepublic: don't allow peer messages to be sent by people who won't accept peer messages.

by absolutely

but I would fight to the death for your right to stand on principle so eloquently:

JDCLYDE: "[i]NOTE: see how nice I was to NOT post his email address, as he has peer messages turned off? Of course, that doesn't stop him from peering others, OR putting his comments in the dicussion where they originate? No, let's make it a personal attack instead? Nice and tolerant of you FAKE JamesG. Real nice. By the way, do you eat with that mouth?[/i]"

Although my own posts show signs of foaming at the mouth when I forget to take my Prozac, I know it's a shortcoming. Also, I don't claim to treat all conflicting opinions as equally valid, even in moral arguments about absolutes, which is the meaning of multiculturalism and diversity as an end in itself. Looney Lefties do claim that, and show a total lack of integrity when they spew

FAKE James: "Wait, you want to make a mdeical (sic) decision I don't agree with(sic)??? You can't have an abortion!! I don't approve!!
Well, keep your right wing fascist nose out of my wifes (sic, whether you intended the singular possessive or plural possessive form, you twit!) panty hose, you f@@k."

James, that kind of message undermines whatever agenda you claim to support. Hypocrisy, rage, incompetence, my, you have the whole package!

by jdclyde

the only thing I DID edit was the descriptor at the end? The @@ were mine, not his.

There is a BIG difference between someone like FAKE James and you. I can DISCUSS something with you, even if we both know up front we won't change the others minds about anything. There is at least a respectful discussion, and some understanding of what makes the other tick.

I have not seen a SINGLE intellegent post by FAKE James yet, nor anything to support anything he has to say.

It is people like him that have taken to Democratic party so far to the left and makes everyone else just roll their eyes when they make the mistake of opening their mouths. The messenger is killing the message.

I REALLY loved it when he tried sucking up to Neil and got ignored. Not QUITE as funny as when jck was sucking up to YOU and your response was classic! :D So much for his new best friend! ;\

by absolutely

Even a stopped (analog) clock tells the right time twice per day! Likewise, there are some premises so obvious, two sentient beings cannot help agreeing.

:D

by absolutely

also moves people into very similar frenzies, just as conveniently.

Salem, MA

"Because of this, people have tried to interject EMOTION into politics. The EASIEST emotion to get people going with is HATE. If you can get people to HATE, you can get them to move. We just got done seeing a whole election based on "Not Bush"."

The opposite side of the election was based on "Not brutal enough to torture the scary Al Qaidas." Now we can add, not shifty enough to wiretap without a warrant, in pursuit of the scary Al Qaidas. Pandering to terror is no better than pandering to hate.

by jdclyde

that my complaints of the political parties has NOT been just of the Democratic party.....

When we get people to FEEL instead of THINK, we are in trouble every time.

by absolutely

JDCLYDE: "When we get people to FEEL instead of THINK, we are in trouble every time."

Absolutely!

by montgomery gator

What do you do with witches? Burn them!!
She turned me into a newt, but I got better!!
She has a nose and a hat like a witch!!
We did the hat, and the nose, but she is still a witch!! She has a wart!!

How can you tell she is a witch? She is made out of wood.

How can you tell she is made out of wood? Build a bridge from her. NO, see if she floats.

What else floats? Churches, very small rocks, A DUCK!!

Therefore, if she weighs the same as a duck, she is a witch, and we can burn her!!

by jdclyde

as the Japanise and setup programs the SEVERLY punish people that have more than one child. Of course I don't think we would have the same stigma of it HAVING to be a boy, saving us the added expense of putting signs on all the bridges "please don't drown your babies here".

Would this be more to your liking?

The problem, is when people at the bottom of the gene pool are allowed to breed at will and still have someone else pick up the tab. The more kids you pop out, the more money Democrats will want to throw at you. So, who is it that CREATED this mess?

And you KNOW you laughed when you read the quote.... ;\

by jamesrl

Its China that has the restrictions.

What often happens is girl babies get dropped off at orphanages. If you want to adopt a baby, and you want a girl, China has a huge supply.

James

by jdclyde

I KNEW that, but was big time rushed to finish the post.

My boss had a meeting setup with some potential vendors that he forgot about. He isn't in this morning. (oops).

So when the front office called asking for him, I called him on his cell, and guess who got stuck holding the meeting with people he had NEVER heard of before?? Three guesses only......

Is it too late to pull a Neil quick-switch and change my origianl post to leave you hanging James? :D

by jellimonsta

Adopting a baby from China is pretty expensive (around $25K).

Also, adopting from orphanages can cause issues due to the fact that the child will not have any stimulation at a young age, and this causes emotional conditions that can cause sensitivity to touch. This is also evident with children adopted from orphanages in Russia, or other parts of the world.

by jaqui

a couple of 22 year old chinese girls.... ]:)
]:) ]:)

..now where are those restraints again...

by absolutely

The mystical collectivism of the Republican party that insists on ignoring the real fact of individuality, but [i]in a different, equally incorrect way[/i], is no solution.

I am smarter than the moron who coined the phrase "the enemy of enemy is my friend". Machiavelli made a more useful, accurate appraisal of the value to a person of an enemy's enemy: such people can make useful allies, but considering them friends, just because of a common enemy, is foolish.

by jdclyde

there is always one in every crowd..... Kan't help but heckle the host, can ya?

(yes, the "k" was just for you)

by tony hopkinson

I've been known to upset one or two people from time to time, though never one as blatantly insulting as this.
Even if you trod on a really sore spot, there's no excuse for this sort of behaviour.

by maxwell edison

The subject line of the email read as though it was sent from an individual associated with a trade organization that operates within our industry (our "business" industry, not the I.T. industry). Something like [i][b]ABC Association is coming to AnyTown[/i][/b].

The email was an invitation to attend a bogus trade conference that was scheduled for our area, free of charge, including a free lunch.

Any excuse to get out of the office, such as a day long trade conference -- AND a free lunch to boot -- is enough to make anyone click on the link, a tinyURL link (which this one was) or otherwise.

He took the bait -- hook, line and sinker. He really IS an i.........

by jdclyde

I have it bookmarked..... ;\ Someone is in my office getting on my nerves, I start that up. :D

by faradhi

being a moderate does not mean you don't have convictions.

Being a moderate means that there some issues you are "conservative" and others you are "liberal".

Ultimately, I consider myself moderate. I don't agree with abortion as birth control. I don't agree with gun control. ("Conservative" Ideals) I don't agree with the Death penalty. I don't agree with bible classes in schools. ("Liberal" ideals)

I am not arguing these in this thread. I am just punctuating the point that you can be moderate and have convictions.

by jdclyde

I personally consider myself an "independent" because I will look at the idea. I think the option for a single check box to vote party line should be removed.

I vote Republican because voting independent would be splitting the vote and only put the Democrats in power again.

The direction the Democratic party has gone since Clinton got in office has left me with less and less things that I can agree with Dems on. The core values are against everything that I believe in. It is clear to me that the party leaders HAVE no core values and are only doing whatever they can to make Republicans look bad, because whatever is bad for Republicans is good for Democrats, hense the intentional undermining of the war on terror. Making the country out to be in worse shape than it really is, because if the country is doing badly it makes the party in power look bad. They WANT things to be bad because it is the only way they can get back to the power that they crave.

by faradhi

Your post I am disagreeing with said (and I am paraphrasing) moderates do not have convictions about anything.

The other stuff about democrats having no core values is irrelevant to that statement. Now, the only way the Democratic party will change is if us democrats work to change it. I do that by voting in the primaries for more moderate members.

by nicknielsen

For all of us thinking moderates, there are many issues about which we are able to objectively consider both sides and, therefore, come to a compromise that benefits all.

On the other hand, some issue do not lend themselves to compromise. Religion is one. The problem is that many people (on both the left and right) are incapable of seeing issues except through the filter of their religion.

by jdclyde

don't religious people have a RIGHT to lead a religious life?

Oh, I forgot, this only applies to Christians.

I don't see people applying the same anti-religion rules on Muslims. Why is that?

by jmgarvin

I swear people from Albuquerque are nuts sometimes. It really makes you wonder...

As for jamesg, I hope he learns some manners and actually fills out his profile...

by jdclyde

his posts are getting worse, not better.

No class. No class at all.

I see being a ditch digger for that young man when he finally gets kicked out of his moms house, as most IT shops would not tolerate someone of his low caliber of character in a professional setting.

Still, like I told him, people like him will ensure that Democrats keep losing because no one will want to be associated with people as insane as he is. (kind of like a miniture Howard Dean!)

by jdclyde

just because it isn't fashionable to attack muslims like it is Christians, doesn't mean they will be allowed in high offices anywhere but in muslim communities or California where they have no standards for anything.

by jdclyde

Too lazy right now on a friday after noon to go look up what I said, so I will take your paraphrasing as correct so we have a starting point.

I never INTENDED to imply that moderates have NO convictions about anything, although I could see it coming out like that. (oops! ;\ )

What I DO contend is that you can't go through life as one big compromise. People that do that DON'T have any convictions.

People that pick and chose their issues are classified as "independents" in my head. The people that will follow a good idea, regardless which political party came out with the idea. THAT is what I TRY to be.

Moderate, I do question convictions.

We are saying the same thing but with different definitions I believe. You consider yourself by a different title than I would consider you, but they do have the same meaning (as I understand it).

I want people that support the same ideas I do to be in office, and with as devicive and dishonest as the democrats in office are, we need people that will stand up for what they believe in.

Appeasement NEVER resolves an issue. Britan tried that by allowing islomic hate groups to form and thrive in their mists, and paid for it dearly.

Spain tried that with the troop withdrawls, and is still in the cross hairs.

by xearon

jdcl,
That was a well written posting and a classy response to an intolerant and raving message.

Xearon

by jdclyde

Thanks for saying so Zearon. :D

First instinct was to attack him as viciously as he did me, but then I remembered all of his posts (none with me to that point) and saw him for the little troll that he is.

It is amazing to be attacked by someone not even a part of your conversation. He must have some major issues, and I just happened to be handy to snap at.

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