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by stargazerr

I dont like sorrys ....

You may be right Old guy ... I have always wondered why my head is so flat ...

We didnt scare Firestar away..did we??

FireStar?? yoo hoo Firestar??

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by stargazerr

I cant find my pink fuzzy slippers any where ... you are not using them for ear muffs are you??

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by stargazerr

Pretty Sure, my dear old guy ....

And as for dancing on a pin ... I cant, I am at work :p

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by old guy

Sorry, I wouldn't dare question you being an angel.

I meant are you sure you're not dancing on a pin? Which reality is real???

by m_a_r_k

OK then I'm glad I made you explain your joke. :D I'm sorry that I said I was sorry. Oooops, I said I was sorry again.

I've got the pink slippers. Er..actually my dogs have them. I gave the slippers to themto play with. I'm sorry I couldn't find better use for them (oops, I did it again) but the dogs love new chew toys. And I sure as hell wasn't gonna wear them. On my feet or on my ears.

Maybe I scared MS. firestar away when I said her name reminds me of an arsonist. Gosh, some people can't take a joke. I'm sorry, firestar... damnit, I gotta quit saying I'm sorry. :)

by stargazerr

:^O Gave my slippers to your dogs??

Now you will have to buy me new ones ... Reebok shoes ....

(I hated the slippers too .... Thats why I was trying to make you wear them to the sun ;) )

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by old guy

Where are you??? Man, I hate it when we lose people. It doesn't look good misplacing folks.

by old guy

I'm 51 and loving it. However, my knees and back are older than I am. It does get kind of hard moving around sometimes.

by stargazerr

Your Knees and back were born first??

So your mum didnt drop you on your head after all :^O

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by old guy

I use that because that's what my son always calls me. However, I can still win because I don't fight fair with him and he doesn't know how not to fight fair. He's 18 and it's the only way I can win when he trys to wrestle with me. :)

by old guy

I think someone swapped out my knees for theirs while I was asleep or something.

My mom said she dropped me several times on my head when I was born. Oh, well, crazy can be fun--and get you out of some things.

by m_a_r_k

us_g swapped a leg with someone too. ;)

When I was a youngster, a hammer fell out of a tree (from a tree house) onto my head. The hammer was crumpled beyond recognition. I saw it laying on the ground after it bounced off my head. I only knew it used to be a hammer because my brother (who was in the tree house at the time of this incident) told me so.

by stargazerr

And a big thank You Mark ...

I had completely forgotten what I had done with my leg ..

yoo hoo Old Guy .. hold still ... I want my knees back ... and while you are at it ... give Mark his back back too (??? :O ) .. poor thing is using nuts and bolts

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by m_a_r_k

Inside joke. Don't just hate inside jokes? And damnit, I gotta quit saying I'm sorry!

by m_a_r_k

Reebok shoes to replace an old pair of fuzzy pink slippers that you didn't even want? Someone's getting shafted in this deal. BTW, thanks for telling me that you didn't want the slippers. Now I can rescind my apology for giving them to the dogs.

Old Guy, you're right about firestar. This tarnishes our reputation as sterling members of the TR community. I may have rescind my application to join the TR Welcoming Committee. I'm doing a lot of rescinding today.

by old guy

I have a feeling it's time to turn red again. I can just imagine where this is going--but I'm trying not to.

by stargazerr

You have the makings to get on the Impure Brigade Band Wagon ... (oops cross threading here)

Do not pay attention ... Mark?? your take on this??

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by stargazerr

I am a very very good Angel ... Thats what we are supposed to be ...

I have taken it thus far, that I even work in an area called angel :D

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by old guy

On a slightly serious note (only for a second) my old self was way too impure. I'm not a prude, by any means, but I do try to keep my thoughts, actions, and heart clean spiritually.

I do like to have fun and sometimes I push the envelop just a leetle bit...

by stargazerr

We just have fun ...

Which brings me to the fact ... Mark hasnt replied yet?? Has he taken a leaf out of Mambo's book?? shall I look for a red glow in the sky?? :D

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by aaronpctech

Once, the skins shrink the giants and turn the eagles into chickens, they finish any one else in the bowl.

by old guy

he's almost as big as I am and he's getting stronger. It's getting harder for me to win.

by m_a_r_k

Two pair of Reeboks for one pair of old slippers. But I'll definitely need something in return. That brings me to the topic of the jeans. I'll bring along my lone pair of jeans. As a matter of fact, I'll be wearing them. I wear my jeans everywhere. It'll be hard to part company with them and you'll have to try real hard to convince me to get rid of them. ]:)

by m_a_r_k

Your old eyes need to be checked because surely you've misread some her not-so-angelic posts. :D

by stargazerr

You dont have to bring everyone's attention to that .... Do you want to "keep" your jeans??

Do not pay heed to Mark Old Guy ...I am as Angelic as I will ever be ..

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by stargazerr

this thread is officially termed as a worthless discussion ...

We are not even in the Hot Discussions List :D

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by stargazerr

For I am very good at convincing ..

Didnt I convince you to take my pink fuzzy slippers ... even if you gave it to Flarney and Bipper ?? ;) (hmm, I have a feeling I have said something wrong here....aaah what the heck??)

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by m_a_r_k

My mind is blank. I can't think of a good way to respond to the jeans posts... First time in a long time I've been stumped. :8}

by stargazerr

I didnt want them going in that direction either :D

But I am not going to let go of the Reebok shoes ... I am not THAT nice ...

Aaaahhh .... 8 o clock .... Friends .....

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by old guy

"Do not pay heed to Mark Old Guy ...I am as Angelic as I will ever be .." this sounds Subjective. will ever be doesn't exactly place an exact standard. :)

by old guy

Oh, I don't know. Sometimes it's more fun keeping everybody wondering. Sometimes it just drives them crazy and that way we're not alone!

by old guy

No, I didn't hear about that. I quit listening to anything about Elton John when he started spouting off all that stuff about Bush awhile back. The entertainers need to keep their politics to themselves like the rest of us.

Mark, I can't even put the m word in parenthesis in this case.

by stargazerr

There will be other times ... ;)

And Old Guy: That was not subjective at all .. Right now I am feeling so Angelic, that I am floating in the clouds with a Halo on my head and a harp in my hands (and oh yeah, a Laptop on my lap) ...

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by stargazerr

that Aaron meant Elton John getting married to his Partner in UK's first ever gay marriages

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by m_a_r_k

She just went from devilish to angelic in the blink of an eye. And that caused me to go from angelic to devilish...to humbled. haha

by m_a_r_k

A momentary lapse of sanity. But I recovered quickly. After all, there will be other times. ;)

by faradhi

What is the point in seeing a movie you already know the ending.

Beauty find Big Monkey
Big Monkey falls for Beauty
Big Monkey gets brought somewhere he does not want to go.
(Sounds like my marrage so far)
Big Monkey escapes
Big Monkey Finds Beauty
Big Monkey Climbs Building
Big Monkey Falls From Building
The End.

Its like the Titanic. I didn't want to see that movie either. Ship Sets sail. Ship hits Ice. Ship sinks. The End. (Beauty Made Monkey go. Monkey wanted to find a building to jump off.)

by faradhi

allowed and even reveled in our ability to speak out negatively about our leaders. Why should entertainers keep politics to themselves?

by old guy

I would like to respond to your very valid question. I do apologize for the length of it but I want to try and make sure that I communicate it as best as I can. So please forgive me for the length.

I certainly agree that this is a country that does allow and should allow each person to voice their opinions about the government. A lot of us here within TR have voiced, some even vehemently, our opinions of many government officials, laws, and practices. I am grateful that we can. And, I am glad to listen to other?s opinions even when they differ from mine. However, our audience is not vast?my influence, nor probably yours, within TR is tremendous either. The weight of my opinion is not as great as that of someone who is known throughout the country.

What I?m getting at is that the entertainers have a tremendous influence within a vast amount of the population due to their fame. They have a greater ability to influence a lot more people with their own personal preference which is no better or more correct than yours or mine (unfortunately, there are too many in the general population that is too easily influenced by the loudest or more influential voice instead of processing and drawing their own conclusion through reasoning). They may have more influence due to their fame but I don?t think they are able to reason any better than we are. They are as fallible as the rest of us. But, to give someone like that a greater field for spouting off their own beliefs and influencing a vast majority with their own hidden or open agenda is not good.

I sort of equate this with a cult leader. Take Jim Jones for instance. With his charisma and influence he was able to influence 914 people to commit suicide. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones ) A person who wields that kind of power(?) and influence needs to be kept in check.

I teach teens in Bible class. I have to be careful about what I teach and how I teach it because I do not want to lead one of my kids the wrong way by presenting what is in evidence to us and allowing them to evaluate and develop their own belief system. I take this responsibility extremely serious and do everything possible to teach strictly the Truth. (No, I?m not trying to start a debate about what?s Truth and what?s not and I will not debate that in this thread.) I am saying, though, that I could very easily influence quite a few kids in the wrong way. Entertainers can do the same thing.

So, in essence, I feel that people of this type influence needs to keep their personal opinions within their own circle of friends or acquaintances the same as we are here.

I will be glad to read and try to understand your opinion on this dissertation.

by m_a_r_k

And this is the reason that entertainers, athletes and well-known individuals (i.e., celebrities) make great spokespeople in companies' advertising campaigns for their products. People think celebrities know more than the rest of us or have more sense than the rest of us. They are very influential and they need to be more cognizant of what they say because their words are broadcast to a much larger medium than any of us common people, and their words carry much greater weight.

Some time ago, I was watching some TV talk show and the actress Gwyneth Paltrow was a guest. The discussion with her centered on a pregnancy and the resulting newborn baby she'd recently had. This is a rather common thing among women, having babies. Well, the audience absorbed every riveting word she had to say about her pregnancy. They were literally on the edge of their seat, ooh-ing and ahh-ing about her very normal pregnancy and ooh-ing and ahh-ing about the very normaly baby things that her child did. The audience acted like she was some exalted queen.

by faradhi

The problem is that we do not teach our children how to think, reason, and evaluate the information given them. We are taught from very early on to assimilate and regurgitate. Even in a "hard" science such as Mathmatics, how many of us were penalized not because we got the wrong answer but because we did not follow the instructors method to recieve the correct answer. When I was in school, I was often admonished for giving alternative interpretations on literature, history, and even philosophy. Heck I even had a teacher that penalized me for listing my problems in rows not columns.

The way we teach our children must change. Suppressing the ideas of others will lead us away from freedom not towards it. Further, in a free society it is an inevitable that you will hear ideas you don't like.

While it is true that the entertainers have a tremendous influence within a vast amount of the population due to their fame. This is not always a bad thing. In fact an entertainer was one of our greatest presidents of recent history. Additionally, one side usually complains about entertainers when they support their opponents. Liberals usually complain when Arnold or Fred Thompson speak out. Conservatives complain when Ellen DeGeneres or Bono speaks out.

by old guy

It certainly seems that we as a society are ?dumbing down?. However, due to the nature of being able to influence a lot of people at once I don?t think they should be able to. This is called prejudicial influence. And I don?t think that should be done. I think that some of them are abusing their influence (maybe for headlines?). A lot of them need to stick to what they do best and that is entertain.

Of course, in the ideal world, a politician would be voted in on their honesty and ability to do what is best for the country. Not for how they are made to look or how much money they spend to campaign. Well, since we don?t have an ideal world then it?s up to us to carry the torch.

by stargazerr

Christmas ... Everyone's gone ... HOLIDAYS !!! :D

I am going too .... see ya around ... Merry Christmas and hope you enter the new year with a BANG !!

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by aaronpctech

True true, it was fun chatting with ya, merry XMAS. I'll see if I can get this backk up and runnign after the break.

by m_a_r_k

[i]"in the ideal world, a politician would be voted in on their honesty"[/i]

But in the [b]real[/b] world, politicians have no honesty. :^O

by firestar1

My son phoned and informed me he was involved in an accident. No one got hurt, however there was a lot of damage to his vehicle. His car was totaled and, well a big mess to have to deal with. Meanwhile, I have been trying to catch up with what I missed,...there's so much. Something about finger wagging and pink fuzzy slippers. Why do I always miss the good stuff? :(

by old guy

I'm really sorry you and your son had to experience the wreck. I am very happy that he's ok. I hope you guys get through it quickly.

We did miss you though and you DO have some catching up to do. I'm sure it won't take us long to get something else started.

Also, hope you are having a great holiday.

by firestar1

I feel funny calling you that, but it's your chosen alias. I'm probably old too, compaired to most people here. (I know you wouldn't ask me my age) :) Anyway, thank you for your concern, it was very thoughtful of you. It being the holidays and all it won't be until probably Tuesday before the insurance company can evaluate the condition of the car and determine for themselves it is indeed totaled, my son says it is. The accident in itself wasn't a bad one. My idea of bad is if someone had gotten hurt, which I am glad that didn't happen, too. A few years back my son was a passenger of a vehicle of which the driver was killed in a head on collision. The guy who ran into them had fallen asleep at the wheel. His own children were in the back seat when he fell asleep. His children were fine, though.
Enough of that. I hope you had a nice Christmas. I did. Talk again soon.

by stargazerr

So sorry to hear about the accident ... Hope you guys get over it quickly ...

The pink fuzzy slippers is a bit of cross threading me and Mark have been doing (shame on us :D) ...

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by old guy

Yeah, us_geeks, we need to keep an eye on you two.

Where is the shameful look emoticon?

by m_a_r_k

I'm glad it wasn't something that I said that chased you away. :) Sorry to hear about the car accident. Good thing nobody got hurt. I hope your Christmas was a good one in spite of everything.

by old guy

That is the most assinine rebuttal I can imagine. Did you even take the time to read my reasoning for entertainers to not use their clout to push their personal agendas? You asked why I stated they should not use the media to try to sway a greater number of people and I presented some very easy to understand and valid points with examples and all you can say is,"don't shoot the messenger." Yes, sometimes the messenger should be shot (figuratively speaking).

I presume this means you think it's ok for people to use their power to persuade large groups to go along with them--even when they show just how ignorant they are when they open their mouths.

I will state again that if a celebrity wants to discuss politics with their immediate friends and families, the same as the common person, then they should. However, to use the media to persuade great numbers to their own agenda is wrong. And, it doesn't matter if it's one that I, or you, agree with or not.

by old guy

My 18 y.o. son is always calling me the Old Guy is why I use the name. That and I am getting old but that's ok. I've worked hard to get old :).

That's an awful lot for your son to have been through already. I hope he is handling it ok. (I mean really handling it and not just saying so)

And, btw, NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo, I would never ask you your age. How do you think I've lived this long????