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http://www.politicalcompass.org/

This is an interesting site. I visited it about a year ago and again today. The questions have changed but my result is still the same. I scored a 5.52 to the right and 1.18 up so I am in the Conservative Authoritarian quadrant. Go figure. I hope you will take the test and post your results. We did this at our office last year and plotted everyones results. What's interesting is that you think you know someone and all of a sudden they come out something totally different than what you expected.

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by maxwell edison

Economic Left/Right: 4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.31

However, I didn't agree with the premise of many questions, so I'm not sure how they are "scored"; and some questions didn't have my preferred answer.

For example:

Q: No one can feel naturally homosexual.

A: How in the hell should I know? I only know how I can feel.

Q: Charity is better than social security as a means of helping the genuinely disadvantaged.

A: But Social Security, as we know it, is much more than that.

Q: It is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals.

A: Well sure it is; but it's not a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some other criminals.

Q: Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all.

A: Well, it depends on the piece you're talking about.

Q: Although the electronic age makes official surveillance easier, only wrongdoers need to be worried.

A: It depends on how it's used.

Q: A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system.

A: The premise of the question implies that there may be advantages to a one-party state.

Q: Our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism.

A: Maybe yes, maybe no. Give me an example.

Q: No broadcasting institution, however independent its content, should receive public funding.

A: It depends. In the case of Armed Forces Radio, of course it should receive public funding. In the case of PBS, absolutely not.

Q: When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things.

A: It depends.....Gee, I'm "troubled" about sinking in this quicksand.....but don't worry, be happy.

Q: The rich are too highly taxed.

A: Define "the rich", define a benchmark, and define the purpose of the tax.

Q: The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.

A. Profits have nothing to do with social responsibility. Profits are related to economic responsibility. And do ALL companies have the same amount of social responsibility? It depends on what the produce.

Q: It is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society.

A: Are they talking about people who "cook the books" or counterfeit, or people who succeed in the stock market?

Q: Protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade.

A: Are they talking about the trade of intercontinental ballistic missile technology or golf balls?

Q: Land shouldn't be a commodity to be bought and sold.

A: What land are they talking about? Yellowstone National Park or my house?

Q: It's a sad reflection on our society that something as basic as drinking water is now a bottled, branded consumer product.

A: But whether or not a person buys it is a matter of choice.

Q: Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation.

A: Not all corporations are created equal. And the wording of the question presumes than NO corporation can be "trusted" to voluntarily protect the environment. Moreover, define "protect the environment".

Okay, so I'm being Mr. Particular.

by dc_guy

My corporate filter blocked the website. This is an incredibly complicated version of the ten-question Libertarian Quiz. It looks like an overly politicized version of the Meyers-Briggs. I don't have a copy of the Libertarian Quiz handy, but the questions are simpler and the scoring quadrants are the same. There are five questions about economic libery and five questions about personal liberty. I remember a few.

"Israel, Egypt, and all countries should pay for their own defense." "Peaceful people should be allowed to immigrate and emigrate freely." "A war that cannot be fought without conscription should not be fought." It's a lot easier to take, requires less hair-splitting, and yields the same results. Conservative, Authoritarian, Left-Liberal, Libertarian.

After all you might just happen to love gay people but not certain other minorities.

by thechas

I agree Max.

The questions and options are more than a bit loaded.

As I continue to think about my results, I wonder just how many of the questions triggered my score.

Chas

by pokerjohn

exactly what Maxwell says. Examples:

Q: The rich are too highly taxed.

A: Define "the rich", define a benchmark, and define the purpose
of the tax.

My Comment: If you lean way to the left you will say yes. If you
lean way to the right you will say no. But most people will need
to ask the questions as Maxwell did. But in this "test" you are
forced to make a decision.

Q: It is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals.

A: Well sure it is; but it's not a waste of time to try to rehabilitate
some other criminals.

My Comment: Again Maxwell is correct, but again you are
forced to decide what word is the most important, "rehabilitate"
or "some". A better question might have been; "For violent
criminals, is prison for rehabilitation or punishment"

John

by Member 25348569

If you want to second-guess or interpret or bitch about ambiguity or bias then just don't do the quiz. Or maybe write your own.

You posted your own answers to the questions you said you couldn't answer.

Q. The rich are too highly taxed.

Which way do you lean? Make a decision - define rich by your own criteria and make a bloody decision.

Q. It is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals.

You obviously agree - the key word is "some" so all you have tro work out is whether you agree "strongly".

Maxwell is NOT right (at least about the quiz). He is so far not right that it's amazing.

Read what the site says about itself:

"But it's important to realise that this isn't a survey, and these aren't questions. They're propositions - an altogether different proposition. To question the logic of individual ones that irritate you is to miss the point. Some propositions are extreme, and some are more moderate. That's how we can show you whether you lean towards extremism or moderation on the Compass.

Some of the propositions are intentionally vague. Their purpose is to trigger buzzwords in the mind of the user, measuring feelings and prejudices rather than detailed opinions on policy.

Incidentally, our test is not another internet personality classification tool. The essence of our site is the model for political analysis. The test is simply a demonstration of it."

Anyway, it's just a bit of fun.

by Member 25348569

I was born and raised in a small town in the UK Midlands. Pretty much working class origins, father was a miner and then a metal worker.

I was educated at Grammar School and then a good university. I have a science degree and worked in the National Health Service for most of the time since and that tends to colour my thinking. Lived in London for 20 years plus - always South of the River - though that won't mean a lot here!

by protiusx

I would say that you may be in good company. What I find interesting is how nationality plays a part in our positions. I believe that liberal English people will be where you scored whereas conservative English people will be over where Margaret Thatcher is. In the US liberals will tend to be more toward the middle and down in the libertarian side.
I had one of my best friends take this (now mind you he is a staunch conservative) and he scored just north of Gahndi every time. I told him he needed to bring his red arm band out of the closet. He didn't laugh but we thought it was a hoot.
One of the most interesting things was that George W Bush and John Kerry are very close to each other in the upper right quadrant.

by fonken monken uk

I'll see you, Ghandi and the Dalai Lama in the bar afterwards for a swift half and a discussion on why cab drivers wont go south of the river after midnight....
Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26

by cp7212

I'm very close to your spot.

Left -6.50
Libertarian -2.82

I thought some of the questions were a little obsequious also. I thought the way I answered would have leaned me a little more towards Authoritarian. I guess not.

Thanks for the link Protius. I always like to take self-discovery tests. Turns out I don't know myself half the time. THAT explains a lot.

by jamesrl

I find myself -3.5 to the left ,and -2.46 to the libertarian side. I am near Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama. I'd have to say that some of the questions do seem written in a way that seems extreme. I see the world more grey, and its quite possible that I'd be on the other side of the left right line if i took the test again.

James

by jdmercha

I would have expected to be far right and deeply Libertarian, but I came out close to the center.
1.0 right and -.056 Libertarian

by dwiebles

I scored -5 to the right, and -6.26 down. I think I am in good company. I agree with James, that this is somewhat extreme in the options, but i guess it makes for easy scoring and distinction.

So why is it the 2 Canadaians and the Englisman all scored Ghandi like results?

Peace

-DW

by jamesrl

Its a question of where the mean is - there cannot be an absolute scale.

In Canada at least, the mean is to the left of the US.

Since same sex legislation is in Canada right now and its a free vote(except for Cabinet members), its interesting to note that there are those in all major parties on either side of the divide despite their leaders' opinions. There are conservatives who feel its a human rights issue(libertarian bent like me). There are socialists who are bound by their religious beliefs to vote against it. But the "average" is farther left here than in the US. I am a fiscal conservative, but couldn't agree with those absolute questions about government involvement - I think the government has a role, but its not always that it should be the dominant one.

Frankly my arch conservative father in law reads the Amercian Conservative(Pat Buchanan editor) and when it came out against the war initially, I was awestruck and found myself in complete agreement with its arguments. Its rare that I can read something like Mother Jones and say the same.

James

by Member 25348569

that's why.

I think the questionnaire was also a little skewed in that certain cultural differences between ourselves and the US meant that we could rarely (very, in my case) selected the most right-wing or authoritarian extremes but found it easier to select the extreme left-wing or libertarian.

And we're nice.

:-)

Oh, and we're quite nice.

by thechas

First off, I think there are a number of "zinger" questions in the test.

Also, with only agree and disagree, there is no middle ground option.

Anyhow, my results place me much further to the left than I had expected.

Left -6.5
Libertarian -3.85

The Libertarian did not surprise me much as I have been getting more tolerant of allowing others to do as they please within what is legal.

Thinking back to the questions, I suspect that the bulk of my left score comes from my healthy mistrust of big business.

I do have a few strong beliefs that go against the US political right.

Pro life! Anti-Death penalty.
The death penalty is post birth abortion.

Taxes, I do feel that the graduated income tax system for individuals is intrinsically fair. The rich are getting excessive benefit from the toils of the lower paid workers.
Yet, I believe that taxes should be largely abolished for businesses.

From my experience with most of the companies I have worked for, legal requirements are the ONLY reason they treat their workers with any kind of fairness. Also, without environmental regulations, they would destroy the environment.

Chas

by jardinier

and got slightly different answers each time.

Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.72

Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.90

by tony hopkinson

Economic Left/Right: -6.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38

So probably not unexpected, but quite interesting.

by tony hopkinson

Gone down the racist pandering route according to this am's news. Course the tories are worse, not to mention driveling idiots.
Still the only choice unfortunately.

by jardinier

I personally cannot see how attitudes to moral issues relate to political preferences.

Here is a list of some of these questions from the test:

Sex outside marriage is usually immoral.

A same sex couple in a stable, loving relationship, should not be excluded from the possibility of child adoption.

Pornography, depicting consenting adults, should be legal for the adult population.

What goes on in a private bedroom between consenting adults is no business of the state.

No one can feel naturally homosexual.

And as to how the following have anything to do with political persuasions is quite beyond my comprehension:

Astrology accurately explains many things.

Some people are naturally unlucky.

I realise that abortion and homosexual unions are political issues in the USA, but this has never been the case in Australia.

In ALL moral issues, MPs are invited to make a conscience vote, and not necessarily follow party lines.

Here is a current news item which sets this issue out pretty clearly:

February 6, 2005
The Prime Minister, John Howard, said today he would permit Parliament to debate a private member's bill on abortion but had no expectation it would pass.

Mr Howard said he personally did not like abortion and he expected the Opposition Leader, Kim Beazley, held similar views.

Pro-life Labor backbencher, John Murphy, has proposed putting forward a private member's bill to force doctors to provide more information about abortions. Other members have flagged bills limiting Medicare funding of abortions.

Mr Howard said a debate on such a bill if introduced would certainly cause divisions within the Government but also within the Labor Party.

"If somebody put forward a private member's bill and there seemed to be a strong desire to have a debate about it, then I think the sensible thing would be to allow it to be debated. It would be silly not to," he said on the Nine Network.

Asked if he thought such a bill would have any chance of success, he replied: "No, I don't."

"My view is that there is not a majority in the Parliament to limit existing funding arrangements."

Mr Howard said there seemed to be a view from some that because the abortion issue had been already debated, it could not be debated again.

He said people could not be stopped talking about something they felt strongly about.

"This is Australia. It's a democracy and people can raise anything they like but the Government's position has not changed," he said.

"We are not going to be sponsoring any change to the existing funding arrangements. That is our role. The law is governed by the states.

"I don't expect there to be a private member's bill to limit funding arrangements. If there were to be one, then everybody would be allowed a free vote."

Mr Howard said practical and sensible comments had come from Catholic Archbishop of Sydney Cardinal George Pell and Anglican Archbishop of Sydney Peter Jensen.

He said Cardinal Pell said the Catholic church was going to establish a facility to encourage women to look at alternatives to abortion.

"That is a practical way of approaching it. It enhances choice and that is to be commended," he said.

"Archbishop Jensen spoke a great deal of sense when he said that people in the churches and elsewhere should not expect members of Parliament on an issue like this to legislate in defiance of public opinion."

Earlier, Mr Beazley reaffirmed the right of Labor MPs to take their own stand on abortion, but urged them to be cautious.

Mr Beazley said everyone in the Labor Party was entitled to their own view on abortion.

"People in the Labor Party are allowed an individual attitude on abortion," he told the Ten Network.

"Having said that, I do regard the privacy issues concerned with women who have the process of a termination, I do regard them as important and I would not want to see that violated in any way."

Senior Nationals senator Ron Boswell has also raised the prospect of introducing his own private member's bill to change Medicare funding for abortion.

He reignited the abortion debate by requesting detailed statistical information about women who had terminations and what the procedures cost.

Mr Beazley said he believed Senator Boswell had another agenda behind his request for more statistics on abortions.

"Yes, I think he has another agenda, you can ask him about his particular agenda," Mr Beazley said.

"But what I have to say about that is this, this country, this community has decided via courts, via legislation in some states, and it is a state issue primarily in terms of the legislation, that women do have a right to choose."

Mr Beazley praised the work of a Catholic church in Sydney which last year set up services to help make it easier for women to have a baby instead of having an abortion.

AAP

by protiusx

We all concern ourselves with moral issues that equate to political ideology. We either believe that welfare for the poor and oppressed is a good thing or we do not. Either way we make a choice as to how this ideology manifests itself in our chosen forms of government. Laws are extensions of our morality and are therefor part of the political system. For instance: I believe that it is wrong and immoral for the state to allow homosexuals to adopt children. I will vote for the political candidate who agrees with me so that he or she will enact laws prohibiting homosexual adoption. You might disagree with me on this issue so you will vote for a candidate who thinks and feels like you do so that your candidate if elected would enact laws protecting the homosexual's "right" to adoption.

by jessie

I'm Economic Left/Right: -5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.74
which makes me an Economically left Libertarian. I'm in good company though, with Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama. No wonder I like me. :)

by jessie

Now you're just name-calling...

So I guess, now, being a communist gets you the Nobel Peace Prize (awarded in 1993), the Sakharov Prize for freedom of thought (1988), the Order of St. John from Queen Elizabeth II and the Presidential Medal of Freedom from George W. Bush.

Yeah... definitely a communist in the WORST sense of the word.

by montgomery gator

Right = 4.75
Up = 2.51

Similar to my friend ProtiusX

But I always thought of myself as a Conservative Libertarian. Maybe because I am traditional on social issues moved me towards the Authoritarian side, but my strong sense of supporting freedom of speech and distrust of government controls and restrictions makes me feel libertarian (except on social issues, where I have a more traditional Christian view).

by montgomery gator

Your entitled to your opinion, of course. And I think Traditional Christian is the epitome of having a social conscience. :-)

Tony, I still like you, anyway, even though you are a left-wing whacko. I think you and I could have some interesting conversations and have a good time if we ever met in a pub.

by maxwell edison

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Being a communist means that one believes in a particular political ideology based on a particular desired social structure. I would call myself a Libertarian; George Bush is a Republican; John Kerry is a Democrat; and Nelson Mandela is a Communist. Now I will admit, that in the case of Bush, Kerry and I, ours is a label that we proudly carry, while in the case of Mandela (and many other "communist-type" thinkers), he (and they) might deny it. But simply apply the duck test, and it's obvious. If it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, and if it quacks like a duck, it means that Nelson Mandela is a Communist.

Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm.

Nelson Mandela has a close friendship with both Fidel Castro and Moammar Al Qadhafi, and he is on the record as calling them both "comrades in arms".

"Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro..."
- Nelson Mandela

Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm.

And is Nelson Mandela sympathetic to the TERRORIST cause? Both Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan considered him a terrorist. And we know that he was the leader of a South African terrorist organization before he was sent to prison, one that carried out a sabotage campaign against military, government and civilian targets, actions that killed hundreds of innocent civilians.

"We consider ourselves to be comrades in arms to the Palestinian Arabs in their struggle for the liberation of Palestine.....There is not a single citizen in South Africa who is not ready to stand by his Palestinian brothers in their legitimate fight against the Zionist racists.?" (That would be the Jews.)
- Nelson Mandela

And what does Nelson Mandela think of the United States, 9-11 and Osama bin Laden? He claims that labeling Osama bin Laden as the terrorist responsible for 9-11 was a mistake and that it violates the rule of law.

Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm.

Now we know what he's said, but what else has he done?

While the leader of South Africa, Mandela sent South African troops to help overturn the results of a democratically held election in Lesotho, elections that would have transformed that country's quasi-dictatorship to a parliamentary form of government. So much for free and open elections. While they were at it, there were reports of arson, violence and looting carried out by the South African soldiers.

Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm.

And what about his wife of 38 years, Winnie Mandela? Well, she was found guilty on 43 counts of fraud and 25 counts of theft because of a scheme in which she set up a phony insurance service and then pilfered money from participants' accounts.

Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm.

Personally, I'd be ashamed to be associated with Nelson Mandela in any way at all. Why many people of the world hold him in such high esteem is something that, I must admit, is baffling to me. (I think that he's probably a few cards shy of playing with a full deck.)

However, I should stand corrected. Nelson Mandela is a communist who not only hates the United States, but he loves our money, but also believes in employing terrorist tactics.

Thanks for the giving me the opportunity to clear that up.

by jessie

http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/mandela.html

http://www.anc.org.za/people/mandela.html

The label of terrorist depends on which side of the oppressive white South African regime, you favor. The side [I]I'm{/I] on calls him a freedom fighter and an activist for equality. That "terrorist organization" he was a part of was the ANC (African National Congress) on whose behalf he accepted the Nobel Prize in 1993.

You might find particularly interesting, though I'm sure you'll pick out the parts that suit you best and leave the rest, Mandela's testimony at his treason trial.

http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/mandela/1960s/treason.html

by maxwell edison

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I know both sides of his story. And I'm sure I know more about him than you do.

But in the context of this discussion, as you pointed out, you and he share a "communist-type" political ideology. If you consider that good company, well good for you.

by maxwell edison

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Nelson Mandela in 1993

and

Yasser Arafat, the father of modern terrorism, in 1994

Go figure....

And then in 2001, it was given to UN General-Secretary, Kofi Annan, for facilitating the oil for food scandal that probably contributed the thousands of deaths in Iraq, and who stood by and watched tens of thousands get systematically killed in Africa.

Again, go figure.....

Compared to past winners like Mother Theresa and Martin Luther King

The award is meaningless -- a political tool.

They awarded the prize to the likes of Yasser Arafat instead of Pope John Paul II.

Go Figure.....

Who's next, Kim Jong II ?

by maxwell edison

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Mandela didn't win it outright. It was jointly awarded to him and De Klerk. One certainly would not have won it without the other.

by protiusx

Nelson Mandela is a communist. Why is it when one calls a duck a duck one is branded as a racist or fascist or some other name. I am sure that Maxwell will agree with me when I say that we are both for equal rights for all and special rights for none. Dr. King believed in this ideology where ?all of God?s children will join hands and sing free at last, free at last. Thank God almighty I am free at last!? Do you think Dr. King was speaking only to black people? He was speaking of color blindness and race equality. Nelson Mandela can not make the same claim as he is openly anti-Semitic and forms opinions on groups of people based on generalizations.

by montgomery gator

After Michail Gorbachev, the former dictator of the now defunct USSR received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1990, there was a cartoon of Saddam Hussein saying "How many people do I have to kill to win the Nobel Peace Prize?". This was in reference to the people in Lithuania that were killed when Gorbachev sent in Soviet troops to suppress the pro-democracy and pro-freedom movement there during the death throes of Eastern European Communism, and Gorbachev's last gasp attempts to preserve the Communist dictatorship in the collapsing USSR. It seems that in order to win the Nobel Peace Prize, it helps if you are a darling of the anti-American far left.

by jessie

True Communist Ideology, not the bastardized political corruption of communist government, is a dreamlike ideal of utopia. Unfortunately, TRUE communism can't survive outside of a 30-40 person commune.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Like many of the best laid plans, this idea didn't survive first contact with the enemy (the enemy being humanity which tends to be easily corruptable, and given half a chance, lazy). The VISION for this was that each person would do what they do best be that working as a janitor, a daycare provider or a doctor, and the riches from everyone pulling their weight would be evenly dispersed among the population, providing relative LUXURY for all.

So, ok, fine, if by communist you mean that I believe that all people are entitled to the basic necessities of life and a little more, I suppose you're right. I am NOT however a sympathizer with communist governments.

by protiusx

The intent of communism at it's fundamental core may be a happy utopia but that has indeed been corrupted by evil men. When I look at the communes (I think there called kibutz) in Israel I see a small community of people all working for the greater good of this community. It is like a family where each member work for the common good of the family. Unfortunately it is hard for humans to conjure feelings of good will and caring for individuals that a person has never met. In The US the core of our society is the family. We take care of our own or should and we as a nation should take a hard look at what we are teaching our youth. If we do not instill in our children an ideology of conservative compassion then when we are old we will be forced out into the snow to wait for the wolves.

by jamesrl

And you seem to think the US has some monopoly on compassion.

There are many other societies where the family is valued. One might argue that in the Chinese community elders are more valued than in American families, because the young are taught that they are responsible for their parents until they die. And this transcends Chinese culture, in both Communist China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and among most Chinese immigrants to other countries.

I don't think conservatives have a monopoly on compassion. Fiscally I'm conservative - and compassionate. I do know others in farther to the left that are compassionate.

James

by maxwell edison

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"It seems that in order to win the Nobel Peace Prize, it helps if you are a darling of the anti-American far left."

I agree.

I guess that's why Jimmy Carter won the prize a few years ago.

by jamesrl

So much depends on perspective.

To many in England at the time of the American Revolution, those whose ideals you hold so dear were terrorists(Let me be clear that I wouldn't define them as such, even though many loyalists were certainly terrorized). Certainly many in the French revolution were terrorists. Many Americans financially supported IRA terrorists and the US government turned a blind eye.

The ANC was NOT the South African Communist party, though the two did co-operate. And like many such political organizations, there were those who believed in the use of terror, and those who did not. Mandela may have made speeches prior to his imprisonment supporting violence. After years in prison, he came to a different view.

I give Mandela credit for managing the transition from apartheid to democracy without significant bloodshed. And if Mandela was a true communist, why is South Africa a democracy today? Surely if anyone had a mandate for change, he did.

As for Fidel, I've always maintained that the delta between the Fidel and say, the Shah of Iran, was that the US supported the Shah. Human rights abuses in Iran under thet Shah were much more significant than those in Cuba for the last few decades.

Funny you mention Kim Jong Il on the day that they announce they have nuclear weapons. I didn't have to speal Korean or even hear the translation - the tone of voice of the gov't official making the announcement was sufficient.

James

by packratt

The site is run by libertarians and has a rather obvious libertarian slant that obviously skews the results.

So... I would recommend that anyone take the results of the test with a grain of salt in regards to determining their own political compass.

by jdclyde

Well tested away. Yes, it is amazing how people that take surveys or polls will ask questions to pull the results they want.

Anyways .25 / 2.51

Showing me center instead of leaning to the right REALLY shows just how full of it this site is.

I would have thought of myself as more of a concervative on most things, how would have thought I would be closet to Hitler? I will own and rule you all, buwahaahaahaaaaaa!

by tony hopkinson

I would n't have thought I was as left wing as I came out. Distrust of big business = communist is a bit of a stretch really.
Conservatism verus radicalism might have been a better axis. I wonder who answered for Hitler and Stalin, can't see GWB puzzling his way through it and TB's spin doctors would have made sure he ended up much further away from Maggie.

What would be interesting would be to get everybody who's done it now to do it again each year.

by jessie

Had the two of them not worked together for peace, neither of them would have received it.

by jdclyde

State your case. What has he stood up for?

Guess I have been out of tune with what his achevements have been, but would be glad to hear more.

And is it really a prize that means anything anymore?

by tony hopkinson

I tend to slur my words after the first six pints.
Course that will give you a chance to get a word in edgeways.

A lot of good social policy has come out of the bible, I just find some bit's of it out of date. Very little of my thinking is conservative in any sense of the word though.

by pokerjohn

mainly because of the White vs. Black thing in his country...and
because for a few years he was the "flavor of the day" ..all the
while the left leaning press ignored this communist leanings and
other issues.

John

by thechas

Max,

I second that sentiment.

While the Pope does not often make the political headlines, he none the less has made a significant impact on world peace during his life.

There are numerous instances in John Paul's life that point the way to a loving Christian lifestyle.

Who among us would be able to absolve anyone who had shot us in anger?

One does not need to have personally brokered the peaceful resolution of conflict to have had an astounding influence on world peace.

Chas

by maxwell edison

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As Chas so eloquently articulated, it's hard to point to anything specific that would make Pope John Paul II stand out above the rest of the "peace" crowd. While many people advance the cause of peace and/or speak-out against political oppression for either political expediency or for their own national security and/or interests, Pope John Paul II has unselfishly made it his life's mission. From his time in Poland during World War II under Nazi occupation, to reaching out to Jews, to holding talks with Communist Russia and the USA, to his campaign to promote African debt relief, to speaking out against genocide that was ignored by individual nations and the United Nations, to.....on and on it goes.

He's right up there with Mother Teresa.

There are few people indeed with such a genuine and heartfelt love for his fellow man. He deserves more than to simply be the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. It could really be named after him.

by oz_media

Jay Leno had Chris Rock on the other night. Chris (host of this years Academy Awards) was saying that he didn't understand all the hysteria from public over the awards. He said it doesn't seem right that all these people go absolutely nuts over an award that has NO effect at all on any of the audience members. He then went on about how nobody turns out for a Nobel Peace Prize award that actually has had MASSIVE effects on the world. People have created polio vaccines and yet nobody cared who mad ethe suit he was wearing. Instead of "Hey, is that an Gucci?" it's "Hey, look he wore.....pants."

Make you think though, and he's got one hell of a point. The most rewarding prize for mankinds betterment is just a whisper in the wind.

Nice to see Max has stepped up AGAIN with his Nobel Peace prize nominations. I think I saw the same last year.

My vote: Sharon Osbourne. Anyone who can keep that guy (Ozzy) alive deserves an award of such calibre. or Judas Priest for reuiniting and releasing one of their best works yet.

Oh well, I'm easy to please anyhow.

But an AIDS vaccine would be nice to see, c'mon guys and polish up them pocket protectors, people are dying here!

In all honesty, though I am not a practicing Christian in the sense of weekly church and bible study, I cannot ignore the tremendous amount of peace that Pope John Paul II has brought to our earth.

He shows no boundaries in where his faith reaches unconditionally.

Nothing is asked of anyone but faith in mankind and peace amongst ourselves.

I think we would be very hard pressed to find such a paradigm of peace on earth again.

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