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by stargazerr

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Looks Like Underage is back ... He is Masquerading under the username donkey@ ...

Jay, Smorty ... before all hell breaks loose ... please get him out of here

Proof??? Check this link out

https://www.techrepublic.com.com/5208-11189-0.html?forumID=3&threadID=189247&start=0

]:)

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by tink!

when someone was going to bring Donkey Man to attention. He threw in like half a dozen idiotic posts right in a row.

by jdclyde

you should one, post this under the "site feedback" heading, instead of the misc section.

the next thing, put their name right in the heading so they know right off the bat that it is for them.

As for this id10t, the ONLY way to get rid of him is to get everyone to not respond to him.

I DID make the suggestion for them to notify his ISP of his behavior, and THEY would knock him right off the net, but if he is back already he either isn't posting from home or they didn't notify the ISP.

Flaming him would be useless, as this sexually deprived dork is looking for the attention that he no longer gets from his mother sence she stopped breast feeding him a few months ago...... :O

by m_a_r_k

email them immediately when you notice something like this. See my next post. I was going to email but the post was deleted already.

by bfilmfan

Damn and I was hoping that was leading to some kind of seminar offer in Vegas with a red head...

by stargazerr

I thought that donkey@ was just another one of those nutters until I saw his "other" post

And yeah I should have posted this under the site feedback ...

]:)

by m_a_r_k

I was 2 seconds away from emailing Smorty. I went back to doublecheck the link and the discussion was gone. The TR staff has been on the ball lately.

by jdclyde

I have been getting that dadburn site not found for a few daze now.

Is it TR gimping again or was it removed?

They usually respond to the tattle-tailers when they do that. :D

by Jay Garmon

We already suspected as much. His first batch of offensive posts have been deleted. If he goes at it again, we'll lock down this new account. In my experience, the best way to get rid of these parasites is to ignore them. Of course, I have to say that as an official representative of TR, but it's also probably true.

by jdclyde

the possiblity of reporting him to his ISP?

Is that something that is concidered or possible, depending on where he is posting from?

by m_a_r_k

He is doing nothing illegal. Just an extreme version of harassment that happens every day in the Wild Wild Web.

And you'd need access to a cross-reference between IP addresses and ISPs. I don't think TR or almost any other commercial or private operator of a web site has access to what IP addresses belong to each ISP.

by jdclyde

what he is doing IS grounds that an ISP can drop him. Doesn't have to be just illegal.

As for tracking him back, they can do it.

by Jay Garmon

Got this from the SIgnal Vs. Noise blog
http://37signals.com/svn/archives2/introducing_the_troll_cap.php

"We?ve been experimenting with various ways to keep abusive comments in check. We?ve tried simply deleting those comments, banning those commenters from SvN, and even turning off comments all together for a limited time. We?ve learned a few things from each experiment.

"Here?s another one we?re going to try: The Troll Cap.

"We?ve all seen the dunce cap. Now it?s time for some people to put on the Troll cap. Comments posted on SvN that are off-topic, blatantly inflammatory, or otherwise inappropriate or vapid may either be removed or be slapped with the Troll cap."
http://www.37signals.com/svn/images/37icon-troll-big.gif

Do you guys think that would work, or would we simply be giving these individuals the attention they seek?

by jdclyde

Give it a shot! Not out anything, as he is already out of hand.

Although I like "DORK" better than troll. ;\

I would rather be called a troll anyday! :D

by alangeek

Hide his replies from everybody except him. That way he thinks he's still making himself heard, but effectively everybody's ignoring him. I bet that'd work faster than anything.

by nz_justice

I wasn't seeking attention when I started posting threads that pissed off the regulars on the site. I was just board and using your discussion function. I am happy to be ignored even if I get a message telling me I'm ignored. I don't think I would deserve a troll-cap\banishment\whippings\public-execution just because some regulars took a disliking to me.

What goes around comes around. And people have been harassing me about sheep, which I don't really care about, I'm not offended because I choose to not take it personally or seriously. And if I can be bothered I would reply with some half ass-ed attempt at a dig back (but I usually can't be bothered). I don't see why you would need to take a side and put a troll cap on anyone.

I probably would not of found what this donkey guy was saying as offensive, and you deleted the thread so I can't judge for myself.

I haven't made any trolls here in the TR. People just choose of there own freewill to view it that way.

Now say a regular took offence to something I posted and came squealing to saying this guy's a problem do something about it, here is the thread link to prove it. And you read it thought it was reasonably offensive and then took action against it. I would get executed and that would then be the end of it. My defence would be I was just posting at the same level as the poster. If they name call I name call etc...

Anyway I have just spouted of a load of crap. please don't troll cap me, I have even forgotten the point I was going to make.

Anyway. How do you judge? Is it majority rules? Is it kids would find this offensive? Is there a moaning\opinion poll? Is it survivor style, where the tribe votes who gets sent away? Is there a petition for "application of person to be reject" to be signed? Are there guide lines?

How do you judge fairly?

Do you guys have an EULA? Could you supply me with a link? Please.

The End

by m_a_r_k

If most of your posts are seen as harrassment by a reasonable [u]adult[/u], then you are a troll. If most of your posts are offensive to a reasonable [u]adult[/u] (i.e., would be considered offensive in any ordinary conversation among adults), then you are a troll. If people don't know you or don't understand your sense of humor or sense of ill humor, then you are more likely to be branded a troll. After you have contributed maturely and professionally to a few discussions, people will get to know you and understand your e-personality. Then it will become more apparent when an occasional sharp remark or outright rant is just you letting off steam or is your honest opinion (controversial as it may be) rather than a deliberate attempt to to be an a$$ or a deliberate attempt to pi$$ people off. Even then, be prepared to back up any inflammatory comments with mature opinions or facts. If you simply say "All are a bunch of " without backing up your remark with a reason other than "because I said so!", then you're on the edge of being considered a troll.

by jdclyde

you didn't see underage's post as being completely out of place here?

from the style of the writing of this brand new member it is clear that this is just him back under a new account because the last one got banned.

you will rarely find people calling for TR to step in, and NO ONE asked that about you.

Underage is the second person that someone asked to have TR step in about, but the FIRST person I have ever seen banned (not including spammers).

Judge fairly? It is strictly at the descression of TR of if something or someone has no business being here and all the crying in the world won't change that on anyones part.

Underage has no place in this site, and has nothing to add to anything. Just because he has a new account doesn't change anything, and the FACT that SEVERAL discussions were pulled is enough to show you that they were out of line.

Smorty will be the FIRST to step up and tell people to back off about silencing anyone unless there is a VERY good reason to.

by jaqui

I'm sure you've noticed I post comments frequently that do get people riled up. :)

or even quite explicit sexual comments.

Why doesn't anyone ask Smorty, Jay etc to ban me?
[ amcol being an exception ]

because I do also contribute in a constructive manner to a lot of discussions, even in a discussion where I'm ripping someone a new a**hole, I'll also constructively answer reasonable comments from that same person.

underage/donkey just posts things designed to create controversy, with out a single comment posted that is constructive.

It's a balance thing, if you show you have the skills and knowledge, or are willing to get them, people will treat you with more respect when you do go off on someone, or about something.

by stargazerr

Nobody talked about you or suggested that you should be thrown out or that you should be troll capped. If you think that your earlier posts deserve being troll capped .... well, you know where to improve and thats a start ....

And If you think that donkey's posts were not worth being revoked ..... well, you are in dire need of growing up.

]:)

by mjwx

But NZ_justice has a point. IMO there should be an appeals process (if you're given the cap by TR at least) where you can request the details on why you were capped. An appeals process IMO (again) will keep things fair because sometimes we all go off on a tangent and it is not necessarily offensive (or so we can atone for our mistakes, were human after all).

by jdclyde

that they guys at TR would not be quick to jump to anything rash.

Donkey/underage has already had several of his new discussions yanked today, and you can believe it was done for a reason.

Smorty is not quick to silence anyone or to play babysitter.

by stargazerr

that underage understands why He will be capped as a Troll ... He is only here to be annoying and knows it.

]:)

by stargazerr

for getting rid of that post

Troll Cap sounds brilliant ... But some people like being famous ... even if it means capping them as Troll.... I suggest Cap them for a couple of days and then get rid of them ...

If you could get us an Ignore Button too ... It would be Brilliant :D

]:)

by rob mekel

I, for one, don't see how capping or otherwise noticeable marking user(id)s for their bad behavior will help stopping them to behave badly.

The most important argument for this is that as soon as they are capped they get a new id and continue their doings.

In my opinion the only thing that could work is reporting them to their ISP. On how to do this I'm not sure but maybe via their email account is a possibility. As is trying to track back their ip-address to their ISP and warn them.

If there is a fulproof solution to the problem I don't know but as long as we do nothing they will continue offending and/or insulting people.

Rob

@life is too short to not enjoy it :x

by sleepin'dawg

If all of the offended at TR flame them, they'll drop the account or cripple his ability to upload his type of garbage. If he is living at home with mommy and daddy and their connectivity to the web becomes impaired, how long do you think it will be before this punk gets the slap upside his head that he so richly deserves, especially if mom and pop are running some sort of home business. People need to take charge of their brats and if they can't or won't they have no one to blame but themselves when the rest of the world does it for them. Don't control your brat; there will be consequences beyond what you can even imagine and it won't necessarily all be oriented around technology. I have a suspicion that he is a screwup in the rest of his dealings with others.

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

by mjwx

Instead of putting him on a pedestal a troll cap will drag a person below the common man/woman. If we label him we let him know and more importantly let others know that his opinion is not worth as much as there own or someone else?s. Essentially it?s like the entire group saying all at once ?I?m better than you because you?re a troll? while childish it is supprisingly effective.

This is a good psychological weapon that is most effective on opinion-orientated people. You may not think much of being labelled but you don?t seem to me at least, to be an opinion-oriented person (correct me if I am wrong). A troll or more specifically someone who gets off on name-calling and starting controversy like underage, will be adversely affected by an arbitrary label (an arbitrary label removes the delusion that he is special).

I dont think his ISP is going to kick someone like underage off just because TR (just another website to an ISP) complains about them.

IMO people normally fight with the weapons that would affect them the worst. Underage likes to belittle people, so should be belittled himself. I believe nothing will pain him more than to feel unimportant.

by jck

if you did it to the right person at the wrong time, you'd get accused of incurring on their 1st amendment right to freedom of speech.

I support you, though.

And, I'd like to volunteer myself to wear the "Troll Cap" first. :^O

by rob mekel

that's settled then.

The first Troll Cap goes to....

JCK lol hahaha

But.... what for (hehehe ]:)) you ain't that sick of mind.

Rob

@life is too short to not enjoy it :x

by jdclyde

you don't HAVE any more rights here than what the powers-that-be for TR SAY you have, because it is THEIR server, first of all. You have NO 1st amendment "rights" here unless they SAY you do.

Second, the troll cap doesn't STOP people from posting. It just identifies them to other members, so it doesn't infringe on this alledged "right".

And third, not ALL speach is protected under the constitution. I would venture that "suck my big ####" is NOT covered. There have been decisions about such things about speech with NO value not being covered. This is to keep you from getting your political or religious views silenced, the right to decent.

Fourth, do we know if the person is a US citizen? If not, then they don't HAVE a 1st amendment right to ANYTHING as our constitution ONLY covers US citizens while they are in the US.

So the only "butt" here is YOU!~ :^O

And lastly. From the last few years, there has been NOTHING to give the impression of "Smorty and CO." [i]( like that? ;\ )[/i] being quick to silence anyone or step into any disagreement.

"Underage/donkey breath" was quite an annoyance, yet tolerated until he made that final post to try to get someone to pay attention to him. Well, someone paid attention to him alright.

by bfilmfan

Also lovingly known as the Daiper Upon One's Head and Wearing the Depends to Warm the Ears award is a great idea.

I would recommend that it be available for award for the merit of asking lots of technical questions and never bothering to rate them.

An even better idea is to only allow ONE open technical question at a time. If they want to oepn another, then they have to close the old one.

We've got some folks around here with 15 + open technical questions, which clearly identifies them as deserving potential award winners.

Please note that it is impolite for the diaper to have been used previous to placing it upon the award winner's noggin, no matter how divinely just that might be....

by jdclyde

for another "Worm of the Week" post to "honor" the worms and inform the members to ignore the Q&A's of such members!

I have been wanting that kind of a rating for a looooong time! X-(

by jaqui

publicly searchable records for ip numbers are available.
required by laws, you can trace which area he is from, go the the authority for that region of the planet and find out which company owns that ip number

http://www.arin.net/whois/

is one such site.

the output from searching ip number from an email I received [ Government of Canada Body reply to inquiry }

Search results for: 142.46.199.30

Ontario Hydro - Telecom ONTARIO-HYDRO (NET-142-45-0-0-1)
142.45.0.0 - 142.50.255.255
Telecom Ottawa Inc. HOT-TELECOMOTTAWA-9 (NET-142-46-199-0-1)
142.46.199.0 - 142.46.202.255
Standards Council of Canada TOL-142-46-199-16-31 (NET-142-46-199-16-1)
142.46.199.16 - 142.46.199.31

by m_a_r_k

That's interesting. I didn't know it was so easy. Since domain name owners are publicly available, I should have figured that IP addresses are as well. Thanks!

by m_a_r_k

the ignored users KNOWS he's being ignored. That way he'll know that he won't be getting the response that his little mind craves and he'll soon head for greener pastures.

by jellimonsta

Can't someone give him a link to a kiddie script to hack the Microsoft website 127.0.0.1?

Although we should warn him of the 'Hack jamming' abilities of that Microsoft system that may cause him to lose Internet connectivity. We can just inform him that persistence is key, and he should just keep trying!
I think I can, I think I can!!
:)

by jdclyde

then he will know to just create another account.

If he isn't getting the rise and doesn't know why, it would be harsher as he would get dumber and louder and still get no notice.

by m_a_r_k

Very devious too. It's better to kill him with with a thousand cuts than a single stab in the heart. ]:)

by jaqui

I have one incredibly hot "punky" red hed here. ]:)

22 years young.
5'9"
36C
26
34

I nicknamed this neighbor Dessert. ~wiping drool from lips~

cause she presents an excellent arguement for skipping dinner and diving right into dessert. ]:)

by jdclyde

and it was soon clear just WHY he got banned from that site.

How did you like his reaction to my "google is your friend" comment, which wasn't even an attack?

Funny stuff.

by stargazerr

I read that when he posted it, but didnt think much of it at the time. Now that I read it again ... it seems so funny that this guy can post such a humble sounding post.

What an Idiot ... Will we ever run out of adjectives for dear baby underage?

]:)

by rob mekel

about you (us??) idiot(s), who didn't think. hehehe ]:)

Can't be always on guard, I, for one, sure ain't. hahaha :D

Sometimes people are wrongly accused or abandoned from sites. That's why we all deserve a second chance. But if we miss that one 2 .....

Hell and damnation flows over us. Normally we retreat and try over again in an other manner.

Hopefully they learn from all off this. (As should we, lol :D:D)

Rob

@life is too short to not enjoy it :x

by jdclyde

it takes more than just being a troll as we get those all the time.

When some dumb punk posts for people to suck his big $$$$, there is no question that this person needs to just go away.

If they are just creating controversy (like the "windoze is best ever") which was an obvious attempt at flamebait, it is still condoned. Even pissing people off and attacking them because of their non-anti-American views is still condoned (huh Oz? ;\ )

It's kind of like the definition of pornagraphy. You know it when you see it.

AFTER ALL, NOT EVERYONE CAN BE A HAL 9000, (huh Col?)

by jdclyde

Like ME! :D

A note about your posts that have "explicit sexual comments". They are not crude and intending to offend. More of a public service announcement. ;\

Underage on the other hand has no class at all, and seems like the kind of angry geek that got beat on by all the jocks in school and is enjoying having some power for a change.

It is very clear why he was kicked out of his last discussion board before he came here. (see max's post for link to underage's first discussion here)

by jaqui

I answered NZJ's question on how we judge if someone is a problem or not.

and I saw underage's first post here the day he posted it.

by cbalness

My apologies to Tech Republic and any members that donkey may have offended. I feel I contributed to any ill-feelings generated here.

As a background, I am a 40's something employee of a Call Centre working corpse stealer (overnight) shift. My solace for being chained to the phone solving the worlds problems one call at a time has been the Tech Republic site where I linger between calls, read discussions and view questions which accounts for all my posts or replies occuring between 2 and 7 am.

Unfortunately a fellow cubicle-rat noted my fascination with said site. It is apparent he logged on first as guest and noted the fuss underage was causing.

He then went on to create his own account (so no, he is not underage under an assumed name)and proceeded with the same "let's ruffle some feathers" attitude. His first few posts looked familiar, and he even admitted to me that it was himself and he was only posting because he was bored and wanted to see what reactions he could garner. As you can see I participated in a couple of his posts to try to keep him in rein and wasn't initially concerned as he appeared to be posting mindless drivel in the miscellaneous topic. I assumed people would vote with their mouse (read topic, don't like, move on)

It now looks like he has overstepped the boundaries of good taste (I couldn't confirm, the offending thread was yanked) and is getting bolder or sillier with each post. Please feel free to wax his account. He was not at work tonight, I have emailed his personal email to seek an explanation for his actions.

Once more, apologies for any readers who he agitated. This however should make this online community aware of one very obvious issue.

I read with interest somewhere (can't remember where) some time ago a diatribe about the Internet turning into a soapbox for the unwashed masses. Now anyone with spellcheck and a keyboard can access a site and let their opinions be known. This has never been more evident by some of our recent newcomers, examples include etwanabi who posts long rambling discussions and the other poster with the computer viruses, underage and donkey who do their best to forment discorse and unrest, and who was the foreign poster asking for employment and for copies of Windows XP ??

We now realize TechRepublic is the online equivilant of a family gathering and for the most part we know who was invited, but the occasional oddball still shows up, like that guy who eats over the salad bowl, or weird Uncle Otto who sits under the apple tree and watches the kids play...
so we simply have to do our best and make sure we all play fair and nobody gets hurt in the sandbox and at the end of the picnic we can all have a laugh and say we met some new people and had a good time.

Thanks for bearing with me if you're still reading. Have a nice morning/day/evening.

by stargazerr

Instead of reading offensive posts and feeling disgusted ... This guy comes in and posts the same stuff because he was bored??

Polluting our dear old TR??

Thanks for the explanation setanta ... At least it was not underage back again.

]:)

by bfilmfan

I am sure that I am not alone in appreciating your explanation.

As the Technical Director for a large government contractor, my advised punishment is making him sit in his cube and listen to William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Slim Withman and Zamphir "Master of the Pan Flute" until he drools and promises to behave.

Note that in the United States, this would be banned by our Constitituion as "cruel and unusual punishment," but you appear to be in Canada. Ha-ha.

by jdclyde

I feel sorry for you, to have to daily have to put up with anyone that finds this great sport. Sounds like a real twit. (did I use it right Neil? :D )

Most were content to ignore the milder posts, and if underage wouldn't have pushed it so far then maybe there would have been less of a reaction to donkeyboy.

I will assume he picked that name purposely because he planned on being an a$$? ;\

by oz_media

It takes a real human to step up to the plate in an Internet forum; you have no reason to, except being a straight up person.

Kudos
OM

by bfilmfan

You do?

Is she headed to Vegas?

Please have her in a short dress and those foo foo heels.

Thank you.

by jaqui

The city where he's from would be defined cruel and unusual punishment in the US.
Winterpeg.. 20 below c, with a wind chill of 60 and wind speed of 80 km/h..

[ and that is mild days. ;) ]

then, in the summer, you get par boiled by the heat and humidity, as well as eaten alive by the black flies. :D

~note to self: quit spreading rumours knocking every place east of the rockies....some day ~

by cbalness

This proud province is one of the few places where the temperature can be - 40 (and then add a wind chill) in winter and be +35 in the summer for a seasonal difference of 75 degrees.

And the national bird is the mosquito....

I think the Trek Crew Jam would be a fitting punishment...

Thanks, hope nobody holds a grudge...

Cheers.

by jaqui

I know people from there, they moved here to get seasonal differences of 20 degrees. :)

by stargazerr

We gave NZ_Justice another one didnt we?? And it turned out that there is still hope for him .. Underage, on the otherhand didnt even want to take the second chance ...

]:)

by rob mekel

just fine. (BTW love workouts myself too, grin grin :))

The fact that underages example is followed by an other freaking geek is that worries me. But have no clue on how to fix that, other then giving a good example like, ahum, myself (hear hear, oops this can be a risk, :D:D)

Rob

@life is too short to not enjoy it :x

by jdclyde

to both Justice and Underage, you are will be judged based on YOUR actions.

One repented, the other got worse.

No loss to anyone, anywhere, if underage is not a member.

by jdclyde

I have said it for years. I am perfectly normal. It is everyone else that is friggen nuts! B-) [i] At least that is what the voices say.....

by sleepin'dawg

It should appear next to the name of the poster in any and all threads. We shouldn't have to open a thread to see the cap.

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

by sleepin'dawg

you keep signing off with, [b]@life is too short to not enjoy it :x[/b] That is becoming annoying now and appears to be condescending and patronizing. Can't you vary it a bit? Just thought you should know how some might take it but then maybe it's only me.

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

by stargazerr

One suggestion Rob ... You could post a different quote once every 2 days or so ... or know what?? Just do away with it ...

]:)

by rob mekel

lol, I love them both. :x

But your right the trill is in the variation.
So for the 2 of you, and maybe others........

Get the gripp of it, y'll love it

Rob

by jdclyde

to have a guy give you a :x, if you know what I mean..... :O

[i]
I LIKE girls! ]:)

by m_a_r_k

sheep. Since you talk about them so much baaaaahhh!!! Or do you like cows better? Mooooo!! And you already admitted to having a thing for the boys when you admitted to wanting to do some unsavory things with Mambo. Yuck! I'm covering my eyes. B-)

by sleepin'dawg

If I were going to sign off with an expression, mine would have been [b]We're here for a good time, not a long time. Enjoy!!![/b] However, even that would get old in a hurry if I signed off [b]all[/b] my posts with it. Another might be [b]If you can't be famous, at least be notorious.[/b]

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

by stargazerr

Dont go on talking about being notorius ..... Underage or Donkey might be lurking around

Thanks Rob :D

]:)

by rob mekel

Why should I, 2 of those meaningless evil dworts, hehehe, can't. :d:d:d:d

But then I have to hold gripp on myself, or better go home and ...... (blush blush)

Rob

by stargazerr

There was an idiot called underage who was very rude and spent most of his time annoying everyone at TR. He was thrown out and his posts revoked after everyone protested.

Then along came Donkey, who followed the same pattern.We thought, for a while that he was underage come back under another username. But as setanta explained, it was one of his colleugues wreaking havoc.

My sentiments?? THE IDIOTS.

]:)

by sleepin'dawg

best done in the privacy of one's own home, although some have been known to employ bathroom stalls at work. Right, Jd???? :^O

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

by jdclyde

It is a single user room! ]:)

"If you can't love yourself, who can you love"? (frequently)

by sleepin'dawg

airport and they pumped 500 LBs of JP6 into it before they discovered it wasn't a plane.

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

by nz_justice

so I have no idea of what you are talking about. I get an error page "not found" when I click on the link.

I wasn't being personal, just making an example myself.

:)

by rob mekel

Mmm, see that you did read some (maybe all) of the threads about underage. And yes, y're right it is a bit childish but effective to put a cap or marker to a person. For as long as he/she uses the userid that is capped. While, exaggerating :) (but may be not :(), in the end there are a hundreds or so capped id's. Mmm, not much fun there, let alone the work it gets to TR-people in capping all of them.

Nope I don't think either that an ISP will kick a customer out just because there are some (1,2,3,...., 4.999.999.999, 5.000.000.000) complaints about one user. But then it may be is gonna effect their advertisements (don't know how yet) or other customers, well I don't know what they'll do.

And right on the spot again, people like underage are screaming for attention and don't like to be ignored. One the other hand who of us does like being ignored ??? There's no need to be an opinion-orientated person to dislike ignoration (ahum, being ignored)

Over all I do agree with you so: reverse, contrareverse, I don't no.

Rob

by stargazerr

When you say ... I dont no ... you do mean .. I dont know, dont you? Bit confusing really :D

]:)

by jdclyde

Saying a troll is not as good as the productive and contributing members is not childish, nor unfair but highly accurate.

Not everyone is equal, and Underage had lots of issues.

I AM better than him, and so are the vast majority of the members here. Heck, even YOU are better than he is! :O

I think the biggest advantage of labeling with the dunce cap is a warning to others of what this person is about.