RED FLAG! Another member to avoid in Tech Q&A

Been a little preoccupied lately so I must have missed that.

What is a red flag and how does it work?

Will it give them an electic charge through their keyboard?

put a foot up his arse...might get you more of a reaction.

Please describe the precise steps you envision being used here.

1) WHAT are you Tagging?

2) WHERE is the Tagging being effected.

The ideal would be to Tag the Member in such a manner that would be obvious to anyone viewing a Question posted by him.

Barring that, the next best solution would be a permanently available List which can be searched for those to be avoided.

Kindly elaborate.

"Rejected" is pretty harsh for such good answers. If my knowledge of soccer is correct, the first card is usually yellow.

That's odd that it only takes you to the root, as it takes me to post 31 of 34. Anyway, here is the appropriate part of the post, by a TR employee:

3) We limit the number of open questions you can have at one time. Have too many open, unrated questions? Well, you can't start another one until you've closed an old one. Close an old one without rating/responding, and your meter will suffer.

4) We surface questions on your signature. That little box with your rating meter that follows you around? We add a "Help this user" link that takes you to that person's open questions. If somebody helps you, you now have a quick and easy way of returning the favor. We may even give extra meter bumps to people who answers questions through this link path.

I know they are in some form of beta right now. When I asked Jay that same question he threw a crapload of tags with my Friday Yuks on them, I just haven't really thought or bothered why yet.

The idea is not really to track them by user but by searching the tags, you would at least see who's been wasting time. If it becomes popular, then it woul dbe easy to se ejust hwo is a waste and who isn't, it's not like there are dozens daily so remembering a current mamber who wastes time is pretty easy.

Perhaps, thos tags COULD follow the abuser though, as we have talked about before.
it's a starting point anyway.

That is, getting someone off the blacklist, without needing the intervention of the member who initiated the bar?

Perhaps TR could un-blacklist those who go back to rate a suitable percentage of answers, after making the blacklisted person wait perhaps 30 days. Suggestions?

We're seeking an interim procedure that can be self-administered by the members alone.

I'm on it.

So. . . you have a single discussion titled something like "Q&A Offenders," where primary posts list the offender, and secondary posts provide additional detail from others. When someone wants to expunge someone, they create another primary post with the word "Expunge" preceeding the ID of the previously banished. By having the expungement line up at the same hierarchical level as the original banishment, it would be easier to see and take the appropriate action -- either consider that person expunged OR reply with adverse information or additional commentary for expungement.

Well obviously if ONE person posts and says HEY, WATCH OUT FOR THIS GUY. Then ten other people say YEAH, LOOK AT THIS TOO! THen one must use his OWN judgement when deciding to help the person, it doesn't mean nobody is GOING to help or that the person is banished from TR.

So if later on four or five people start saying YEAH BUT HE DOESN'T DO IT NOW or HE WAS FAIR WITH ME, then again the person can make a decision whether or not they help the guy or not, again he wouldn't be BANISHED or DISQUALIFIED, but regulars that know of a flagged alias can choose to help others instead, IF THEY CHOOSE.

We aren't suggesting policing it but flagging or giving a heads up on someone's negative activity.

Pretty straight forward and simple really.

Great game as well as the movies

If you're on the right side of course

How can we expect the kids to know how to act when the parents set such a bad example?

I'll give you $1000 cash, you choose the currency of your choice, to stand on a football pitch and TRY red carding a fan. LOL, man that would make the papers!

[b]Idiot takes on drunken football hooligan at game.[/b]

"Dressed similar to a referee, but obviously completely unaware of where he was at the time, a man took to the pitch and attempted to stop a verbal altercation with a fan by red carding him out of the game.
Doctors say his condition is weak and may stabilize in the next few days, if all goes well.
The fan has been given a pitchside seat for the remainder of the season and will receivea written apology from the man who masqueraded as referee if he recovers."

Now the only hard choice for the editor is whether to add it to the comics page or front page.

Police in riot gear with horses and tear gas try not to get involved, some guy in a pair of shorts and striped shirt isn't gonna cut it. This isn't the NFL, where you are dealing with a fat, drunk wareouse manager/weekend warrior, this is a football match. It's like telling the mafia they need to leave your casino.

And their parents of course.

I do believe, if the police just told a drunken man in a pub he had to leave...and he didn't want to...they'd have to remove him to make it a "remove". Showing him the copper and pointing the nightstick isn't always gonna do the trick.

Words or gestures aren't always effective. You should know that.

And since the fans are so bad, I guess that fan who grabbed the player a time back wasn't taken out without an ensuing city-wide riot, eh? I think you are casting a general stereotype on all football fans in England now.

BTW, I know what mate means...in more than one venacular.

And as for teams in the NFL not having full-time hooligans...I could introduce you to some guys who run a bike shop in CA (one of them is my cousin) and they are full time Raiders fans and wear Raiders clothing to work and live, breathe and talk Raiders football. That kind of kinship and conviction to a league or club is not exclusive to the British...otherwise, Italian football would never have a riot when Lazio and AS Roma play. And, there have been some huge fights just outside of Raider games with dozens arrested...much like last year at Portsmouth vs Southampton.

And as for the military comparison, it wasn't to impress...it was to point out the absurdity that I never mentioned about *me* going onto a football pitch to red card or "shut up a rowdy fan". And again...when I say remove, I do *not* mean "shown a red card"...I mean...physically, literally removed...just for future reference.

Save the antagonizing "America the Beautiful" stuff for ComputerDude...you'll get more of a reaction out of him even when I'm having a bad day. :)

As for going to pro sports matches, I've been to all sorts of them. I've seen fights and arguments and everything. I wouldn't be bragging about the willingness of some British football fans to fight over anything anyways. And, I surely wouldn't be making light of a man taking responsibility to take his child to a restroom. Are you implying that taking care of your child is unimportant when there's a sporting event going on? Or that taking turns with your wife caring for the children isn't important during a sporting event either? Is that something you refused to do when your wife asked you and your family was at a sporting event? I surely hope not, but that's what it is sounding like by your attitude toward those who take their responsibility as a parent over that of a sport.

Again...I think you underestimate most fans in England. Not all of them are the types that roam Europe and start fights in foreign countries and get banned from travelling there anymore. And, not all of them are macho egotists who think fixtures and pubs and Yorkie bars are for men only.

Believe it or not, there are British football fans who don't fight over everything. And, there are Americans who aren't the ultra-patriotic fanatics that you paint most of us who mention military or government (even when it's in passing) that are American.

I still think highly of you, Oz...but, you jump out with twists on terms and build from there.

God...I hope this doesn't lead to me quoting Merriam-Webster again.

Have a good weekend...hope you don't lose at the track

Football hooligans, thus not referring to the majority of people in England or the pubs in anyway.

Football hooligans in England are no different than the bloods and crypts, without the firearms, SOMETIMES. It would generally be a big mistake to pull a gun on that crowd anyway, you better have enough bullets and be a good shot.

I have neither referred to people in England in general or people at football games in general, but the football hooligans specifically. Whether they know each other or not, it's still one for all and all for one depending on which side you sit/stand.

As for a comparisson to FANS and the clothing they wear, I also made no reference there either.

Again, I think you are reading FAR too much into it and that's why you end creating these illusions of what was really said, or as you may feel, was implied.

My point is, I have seen rowdy crowds, believe me, metal heads in Germany are a very rowdy bunch but a very civilized and friendly bunch too. In North America, concert crowds are just lame. Usually too rowdy and not even interested in the show itself. But when one gets into a scuffle, one or two friends may jump in but most people just stand aside and watch, which is not the case at a Euro football match.

I've seen my share of rowdy NLF and CFL fans, in fact most are people I was unfortunately with at the time they/we all get arrested or tossed out of the game.

This is all pretty much nothing compared to a riot at a football game though, most guys aren't that big at all, but very hard and very well supported, that's the problem. People stick together there and will band together against what they feel is wrong, such as a ref tossing a fan at a football game, whether they know each other or not.

You have taken such a miniscule and what was intended as a humorous comment and turned it into a pissing contest, that's all.

Your comment was, why doesn't the ref just throw out an unruly fan.

My reply was, because they are far too scared to even consider it. And so would anyone else in that position, if not they're just stupid.

And as I said, I would pay good money to see someone try it, now THAT would make world news!

I don't see what you are TRYING to prove though.

ok...I'll spell it out:

You originally said:
"THey will red card and then ask the player to leave, I don't care how big you are, you certainly are nomatch fro the several hundred/thousand allied hooligans at a Premier game. Like I said, even the riot polics on horseback avoid that lot."

You make it sound like a large amount of people would riot if a fan was escorted from the stands by security. Plus, I've seen security at fixtures handling things. Police are there usually in numbers when there are assumed conflicts to occur (like with Portsmouth and Southampton having been recently, and 400 officers will be at the next match accordingly).

Riots are not that common in English football, and even most true fans don't look for a row when they go or start one over nothing. I think most people prefer to avoid violence, not partake in it. Thus, I draw from the "several hundred/thousand" to be an incredibly large number, say over 700. And, you imply that number would go ballistic if a fan were to be ejected.

I just saw that as absurd, especially after the fan physically attacks (with fist or implement of the game) a player on the pitch.

Then you cast association that football supporters alliance to be stronger because of fan loyalty in banding together in case of a fan ejection. My example of attire being worn was one example of how dedicated the fans are here, and emphasizing that my cousin and his pals don't get in fights over things like a fan ejection for a stupid action. They get in fights with other fans before, during, and after the game.

I agree...but concert crowds in America are not only usually lame, but they are highly inconsiderate of others and obnoxious during the event.

As for not jumping into a fight...well...maybe with the people you went to the events with. If you're really interested in going somewhere rowdy, I'll take you to a place that by its name you wouldn't suspect it: Miss Kitty's Hilltop. Not a "peeler joint"...just a bar. You look at someone wrong there, they will proceed to kick your arse and leave you for dead.

You also cast the image that fans here don't stick together. That's a two edged sword: 1) Do I give you examples of situations at World Series or Superbowl or hockey events? 2) Do I sit there and say "So it's admirable that everyone jumps into the situation that didn't involve them in the first place?" when a fan is removed for stupid activity.

Again...I never said I'd try to "shut up a rowdy fan"...my thought is at the point the throw something at someone on the pitch or assault them...they deserve to have the referee ask security to remove them. They would do the same to any player if their team didn't take them off first.

I don't wanna get into quoting FIFA and the FA rulebooks.

Point is: you cast the mold of "hooligans" out with "several hundred/thousand" and when the average seating of a premiership stadium is only about 36000 seats. That would mean around 3-5% of the crowd would just go into a riot over one idiot being thrown out. Even the biggest premiership is not 70000 capacity. I just think it's an over exaggeration of how the fans would react. Maybe the idiot fan and some of his friends and some locals would get involved over a fan throwing things on the pitch or hitting a player, but "several hundred/thousand"?

I think not. Maybe over an incredibly bad call that loses them a championship, but not over stupid action by a fan.

And as for the "one or two friends" comment...I only wish you'd have been at the Oklahoma/Texas college game I went to once. Horrible call lost Texas the game. So many fights broke out that the Dallas police didn't have enough handcuffs and patty wagons to haul people away. Trust me...large groups of Americans will fight. It's not just a British thing.

And, when you say things like:
"You'd soon lean the meaning of 'mate' in England. Not those you turned up with but EVERYONE that's on your side."

It contradicts you saying saying previously:
"I have neither referred to people in England in general or people at football games in general, but the football hooligans specifically. "

Because you are there casting that you are being specific to hooligans, but that "EVERYONE that's on your side" would join in...therefore marking them hooligans by your own terms.

Unless of course by "EVERYONE that's on your side", you meant everyone you are there with *plus* anyone who saw it that saw fit to jump in.

I do agree with you that the rows at the average football fixture in any of the major football countries in Europe are much larger and more violent than those on average in the USA.

I was going to travel to Italy once and go see a match with a girl I knew that lived in Perugia, but she said "I don't think you would go if you knew you can die."

I just think like all the riots and stuff you saw back when you lived there, I've seen the same thing at sporting events I've been to here in the USA as well. Of course, I didn't hang out with the "in crowd" or sit in box seats or anything. I rode in 70s/80s Maxi-vans and older cars. We sat in cheap seats. And, I saw plenty of large fights both in and out of stadiums...people drunk or not

And as for the pissing contest...it's not that...it's called...explaining. I tried to add some comical comparatives with the dialogue and such. But, I guess I don't get your humour and you don't get mine.

At least I tried to put in a winking smilie in there somewhere to reassure you it was meant in fun.

I'll stop kidding with you and only present facts from documented sources if I need to. Sorry I tried to kid with you like I perceived you were with me.

BTW...how's the track? ;)

But if a little drier.

"You make it sound like a large amount of people would riot if a fan was escorted from the stands by security."

Actually in many cases they do, even if that's a small portiopn of a large crowd. As for the last time I saw a football game in Europe, about two years ago in Spain.

I do go back and forth a bit, not so much in recent years but in the late 90's it was at least once a year as I was back and forth with two bands a lot.

Hooligans do make up a large part of the crowd, from what I recall we weren't really discussing a security guard escorting someone out, we were discussing a referee throwing out fans as well as players, which most definitely wouldn't go over too well, epsecially after callng a penalty kick on their team.

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