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Some very important questions (at least to me)

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Why are there people who want to prevent others from becoming entirely self-responsible and self-sufficient?

Why are there people who resent others who want to become entirely self-responsible and self-sufficient?

Why are there people who want to kick others when they're up?

Why are there people who want to convince others that they're limited in what they can achieve?

Why are there people who want to believe they're victims of just about anything and everything?

Why are there people who want to convince others that they're victims of just about anything and everything?

Why are there people who insist on remaining in their negative world?

Why are there people who want to drag others down into their negative world?

Why is it that many people see me as "the bad guy" because I ask these kinds of questions and want to live a life, and encourage others to live a life, of self-responsibility and self-sufficiency?

Why is it that I consider myself one of the most generous people I know, with my time, money, and encouragement, yet I'm often called greedy, selfish and uncaring?

Does anyone else ask themselves these kinds of questions?

Has the world always been like this? Is that why people sailed the oceans and traveled across the prairies, with absolutely no chance of ever returning, but not really wanting to return?

I must admit, I do wish, from time to time, that there was an ocean or a prairie for me to cross to get away from a lot of things. But alas, there's no escape, is there?

Or is there?

Excuse me, I'm gonna' take a break from these discussions for a while and listen to an old record album.

Why do we never get an answer
When we're knocking at the door
Because the truth is hard to swallow
That's what the war of love is for.

Between the silence of the mountains,
And the crashing of the sea,
There lies a land I once lived in,
And she's waiting there for me,
But in the grey of the morning,
My mind becomes confused,
Between the dead and the sleeping,
And the road that I must chose.

I'm looking for someone to change my life,
I'm looking for a miracle in my life,
And if you could see what it's done to me,
To lose the love I knew
Could safely lead me to,
The land that I once knew,
To learn as we grow old,
The secrets of our soul.

(Edited to add a question.)

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As far as I can tell

by jdclyde In reply to Some very important quest ...

Why are there people who want to prevent others from becoming entirely self-responsible and self-sufficient?

These people use the learned dependance of others as a way to achieve power.


Why are there people who resent others who want to become entirely self-responsible and self-sufficient?

Because you will make the dependant people see that it CAN be done, an you might make them feel bad because their lives are wasted.


Why are there people who want to kick others when they're up?

Easier to bring others down than it is to lift yourself up. It is someone elses fault that you are the falure is easier to deal with than taking responsibility for ones own actions.


Why are there people who want to convince others that they're limited in what they can achieve?

Keeps them dependent.


Why are there people who want to believe they're victims of just about anything and everything?

It is made to make it so it isn't their fault that they are useless and will never bother to amount to anything.


Why are there people who want to convince others that they're victims of just about anything and everything?

Keep the power.


Why are there people who insist on remaining in their negative world?

Easier to sit around watching cartoons and drinking beer all day than to work hard to achive anything of value.


Why are there people who want to drag others down into their negative world?

Misery loves company. Helps to validate themselves.


Why is it that many people see me as "the bad guy" because I ask these kinds of questions and want to live a life, and encourage others to live a life, of self-responsibility and self-sufficiency?

Because it is politically incorrect to say something that might hurt someone elses feelings, even if it is true. Actually, ESPECIALLY when it is true. To think that you would expect to work hard to achive something, and actually KEEP what you earned? Not while there is a politician around that has votes to buy with your money.


Why is it that I consider myself one of the most generous people I know, with my time, money, and encouragement, yet I'm often called greedy, selfish and uncaring?

Because people don't see what it is you choose to do to help people. It is just when you talk about the corruption that allows the redistribution of wealth, that people are shocked that someone would say (let alone think) such thoughts.


Does anyone else ask themselves these kinds of questions?

I try not to, because I know that I won't like the answers.


Has the world always been like this?

No, but it is steadily getting worse, not better.


Is that why people sailed the oceans and traveled across the prairies, with absolutely no chance of ever returning, but not really wanting to return?

That was a different time, and a different set of people. People once had a sence of pride in themselves and in their work.

Also, 20, 30, 40 plus years ago, there were a lot of people that were good people, but they were poor. They were proud and worked for what they had.

Now, if you don't have that flashy car, big house, and all the toys that go with it, it is somehow unfair and a bad thing.

When did being "poor" turn into a derogatory statement?

If you want something, earn it. If you don't earn it, you don't deserve it.

Example I see in my life. My ex-wife is dead broke, but she won't get rid of her blazer that costs her the same as my house payment. Her dumb pride and sence of needing to validate herself keeps her from improving her situation. Sad to see someone go under just because they are too stupid to let go of dead weight.

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Escape

by mjd420nova In reply to Some very important quest ...

I've asked those questions too, of others and sometimes of myself. When it begins to get to the point that I'm asking myself "Do I really need this??" "What if I get what I want and it turns out that it wasn't what I was really after." Well, I'd say it's time to get away, and here in a large metro area it isn't easy. I grab my pole, and my fishing bucket and head for the lake. A short drive of 10 miles, and a 5 mile bicycle ride and I'm in heaven, far enough from civilization that I don't hear anything but nature. The birds, squirrels and an occasional splash of a fish in the water is all I hear. No trucks, cars, crying babies and squabling kids. I'm alone to ask those questions and search within for answers. I may not find the answers and I may not catch any fish, but after 4 hours, I've reached an inner peace that can't be achieved in the hustle and bustle of the world. I return after 8 hours fulfilled and refreshed, usually lasting about a week, when I again start mulling those questions. I don't think I'll ever reach the point where I won't need these retreats from life, and I can't imagine a week going by that I wouldn't miss them. The answers are in reality summed up in one word PERSPECTIVE. I only have two eyes and they both see the same thing. This must be tempered with a small amount of self pity, and loads of prayer.

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Arrrr.... the search for happiness

by cmh_datec In reply to Some very important quest ...

Hard to resist this one. Cynic mood in full swing here. All we hear in Oz is the American judicial system which rewards people for being stupid and irresponsible. Over here, we reward people for being useless, unemployable, bad tenants, serial solo mothers etc.

Why are there people who want to prevent others from becoming entirely self-responsible and self-sufficient?
<<because lawyers would be out of jobs then and the court system would actually only deal with real stuff. heaven forbid. over here they'd miss out on their government freebies.>>

Why are there people who resent others who want to become entirely self-responsible and self-sufficient?
<<coz they like the fact they can get themselves some nice payouts for being 'not responsible'.>>

Why are there people who want to kick others when they're up?
<<coz someone important might notice that being 'up' is achievable and maybe being irresponsible etc should have consequences and not rewards>>

Why are there people who want to convince others that they're limited in what they can achieve? <<coz then they can get more freebies and payouts....lol>>

Why are there people who want to believe they're victims of just about anything and everything?
<<as above>>

Why are there people who want to convince others that they're victims of just about anything and everything?
<<as above. emotional distress is a wonderful legal defence>>

Why are there people who insist on remaining in their negative world?
<<as above>>

Why are there people who want to drag others down into their negative world?
<<coz they might be able to get a class action going>>

Why is it that many people see me as "the bad guy" because I ask these kinds of questions and want to live a life, and encourage others to live a life, of self-responsibility and self-sufficiency?
<<coz u are the bad guy. You're rocking the boat of a way of life of many many people>>

Why is it that I consider myself one of the most generous people I know, with my time, money, and encouragement, yet I'm often called greedy, selfish and uncaring?
<<u are because you're not helping the cause of the 'victims' to get more for themselves for no effort>>

Does anyone else ask themselves these kinds of questions?
<<nope. coz then I'd start thinking I'M a victim so I'd be as bad as them>>

Has the world always been like this? Is that why people sailed the oceans and traveled across the prairies, with absolutely no chance of ever returning, but not really wanting to return?
<<of course. rule of thumb. 'mankind is never happy with what they've got' and 'greed and envy is a part of mankinds makeup'>>.

I must admit, I do wish, from time to time, that there was an ocean or a prairie for me to cross to get away from a lot of things. But alas, there's no escape, is there?
<<internal happiness is the only answer here. I don't think you've found yours yet.>>

:)

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Very important answers

by mjwx In reply to Some very important quest ...

"Why are there people who want to prevent others from becoming entirely self-responsible and self-sufficient?"

People don?t want to be responsible, It?s natural to blame others for their problems and misgivings. You quiet often blame your government (the left side in particular) because of programs you don?t agree with. You must also remember that entire self-sufficiency is a myth. We have been dependent upon one another for thousands of years, first we formed into groups for protection and to hunt larger animals from here we evolved into tribes and eventually communities. Community is something I feel we have lost.

"Why are there people who resent others who want to become entirely self-responsible and self-sufficient?"

Once again this total self-responsibility and self-sufficiency is a myth. People look for someone else to blame (Democrats, Terrorists). The simple fact is we are not solitary animals so we do depend on one another to simply survive let alone to form civilizations. This is by far the biggest contribution to our dominance as a species is the ability to work together at all levels.

"Why are there people who want to kick others when they're up?"

Is it better to kick others when they?re down? When you kick someone don?t be surprised when you get kicked back.

"Why are there people who want to convince others that they're limited in what they can achieve?"

Simple, Control. This is part of the fear mindset. There are two ways to lead, through fear or hope. This is part of the fear method, limit someone and place yourself as their superior.

"Why are there people who want to believe they're victims of just about anything and everything?"

Victimism is ego. Now I know I?ve been talking about ego a lot but some people can only define themselves as the victim to place them above others. Victimism is really a western concept, Buddhists for example believe that suffering is good and an experience that can teach a lot about ourselves and our world.

"Why are there people who insist on remaining in their negative world?"

The same reason people insist on remaining positive. People are different, some negative, some positive and some neutral. Max, now this is not an attack but you need to remember that there are a lot of different ways of perceiving things especially positive and negative. For example I expect the worst so anything better is a pleasant surprise.

"Why are there people who want to drag others down into their negative world?"

Why not, no one likes being alone. You would wish that others share your views. You vehemently argue with others (Neil and myself) when we have a divergent opinion.

"Why is it that many people see me as "the bad guy" because I ask these kinds of questions and want to live a life, and encourage others to live a life, of self-responsibility and self-sufficiency?"

It's all there (here on TR) in black and white. It is not the questions but the way you ask and the way you treat others who give you what you view as the wrong answer. You are rather narrow minded and have little patience for those who believe differently. You are also quiet arrogant and offensive (rude, insulting) at times. You treat your way as the only way and this gets up a lot of people as you want respect but don?t respect others who believe differently.

"Why is it that I consider myself one of the most generous people I know, with my time, money, and encouragement, yet I'm often called greedy, selfish and uncaring?"

People perceive you as such. Spend time looking at what you have written on TR and you might find out why? There is a Parallax error between what we see ourselves as and how others see us as.

"Does anyone else ask themselves these kinds of questions?"

Yes all the time, I often don?t like the answers but I could be worse if I were not be trying to change. I treat each of these questions as true and then attempt to disprove them beyond doubt.

"Has the world always been like this? Is that why people sailed the oceans and travelled across the prairies, with absolutely no chance of ever returning, but not really wanting to return?"

Are you talking about running from everything or just escapism. Escapism is easy, you just have to know how to block things out. I can be in a crowded room but to me I can make that room empty if I needed to, it?s all in your mind. If this is beyond your capabilities than there is physical escapism, leave the city, leave the car and go into the Rockies or up to Alaska or the north of Canada where not another soul can be found. You can easily escape but you must always come back. If you only want to run I'm sorry but you can?t. You?re here now and if this world is too much of a problem your only way out is to put that pistol to you chin and get it over with. This is a cruel answer I know, but it is not untrue.

I can guess that you won?t like some of my answers but if you can?t handle it don?t ask hard questions.

A good set of headphones can help you get away from it very easily. I prefer bands like the foo, nirvana or the offspring. Songs like breakout, everlong and gone away.

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Community is something I feel we have lost.

by TonytheTiger In reply to Very important answers

Some may say it was stolen rather than lost, but I agree that it's nearly gone.

Related things that have become lost, forgotten, changed, or diluted (I will expand on some of these at a later date):

(In no particular order)

Commitment.

Loyalty.

Trust.

Perserverence.

The difference between forgiving and excusing.

The difference between dependence and co-dependence.

The difference between dependence and reliance.

I'll probably think of some others....

(to be continued :) )

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Off to the Yukon

by stress junkie In reply to Some very important quest ...

For decades when I'd get into one of those moods like the one you seem to be in I would think that one day I would move to the Yukon hundreds of miles from the nearest person. The only real problem with that is that I don't like cold weather. Unfortunately places like Hawaii already have a lot of people. Ideally I would move to Hawaii, but hundreds of miles from the nearest neighbor.

I have one answer to all of your questions: People are a$$holes.

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A simple answer..

by maecuff In reply to Some very important quest ...

People suck.

Individuals can be wonderful, but people(as a group), for the most part are self-indulgent, panicky and self-righteous.

Of course, I exclude anyone who posts here. :)

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Aaahhh. I love the simple answers :)

by rob mekel In reply to A simple answer..

Special the exclusion

Simple answers are mostly correct as live can be simple if taken some rules in to account like:
don't do to others that you don't like being done to you.
or
Be open and honest, what is actually an abstraction from the first.

Rob

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Why?

by Old Guy In reply to Some very important quest ...

Because some people are greedy, selfish, and self-centered. I say some because most of my friends whom I choose and who choose me are not like that. Most of the folks I try to hang out with really try to help others. They encourage instead of discourage, they lift each other up instead of trying to push them down, etc.

I used to say the ones who are the greedy, selfish folks are small in numbers but you only hear about the bad stuff. I'm almost to the point that I can't say that anymore because it seems like those folks are beginning to out number us.

However, there are still a lot of us out here who are good and helpful and caring. You just have to find the ones around you. And, we must be one first.

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Two answers,

by TonytheTiger In reply to Some very important quest ...

One of which will likely answer all.

People who live and promote self sufficiency are a threat to the status quo.

Many people feel guilty and get defensive when your words or deeds highlight their shortcomings.

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