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A while ago, TR started a personalization push. They gave prizes for filling out profiles, created a "My Workspace" thingy, etc. I can add other members to a contacts list, but if TR can keep track of my contacts, why can't I create an anti-contacts list?

In the good old days of Usenet, we had things called killfiles. If someone was such an idiot that we didn't want them wasting our pixels, we put them into a killfile with a satifying PLONK, and it was as if they never existed. A good newsreader even hid the titles of the posts, so there was no trace of them at all. If you clicked "Next" to go on to the next post, if that post happened to be by someone in your killfile, it skipped right over it and on to the next one.

Does anyone else miss these things?

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by dawgit

I don't think that the Tech-Rep is so bad that we have to resort to that. No, I just don't believe that. I you, or any one else has a problem with one person, chances are other do too. Report them, with a good 'Why' they are bugging you. There's a way to do this. Every one here (so far) has something to bring to the table, that's why it exisits. You don't always have to agree with everyone, all the time, to learn.!. (In fact, learning is seeing what's new to you) Also, you're not going to like this, check out your own; profile, attitude, and posts. Are they, or could they be offencive to others? Do you, or would you, seem arogent to someone? If no, ok, then let others know, who you have a problem with, and why.
(Now you'll probably include me on that list, but oh-well, I'll live)
Welcome to the Tech-Rep, BTW. -d

by nighthawk808

I wouldn't put you or anyone in a killfile simply because I disagree with them. I never did that when I was on Usenet and had the option to. In fact, most of the individuals whose posts I flagged so they would stand out and be the first to be read were ones who disagreed with me and could put those reasons into a well-written, intelligent post that made me think. Besides, what fun is a discussion that goes something like this:

Me: I think such and such.
Someone_else: Me too!
Another_person: Me too!
This_other_guy: Me too!

That's kind of boring.

You bet there are plenty of people out there that find me arrogant or worse. Drop on over to the "USB 2.0 a Goner" discussion and you'll find plenty. I'm also the guy that invented Larry's Law of Lame Posters right here on the TechRepublic boards: Not all managers are stupid (there are some very bright ones), but most stupid posts come from managers. That lit quite a few people up. Killfiles work both ways.

Thanks for the welcome. It is nice of you, and is appreciated, but I'm not new here by a long shot. I've been in the Top 100 posters list quite a few times myself. I drop in and out as time allows, so I'm not consistent enough to stay in it all the time.

by jaqui

something like the ignore user feature a lot of discussion scripts have?

Those are designed for children that can't play nice if they don't agree on something, TR treats us like adults and professionals, able to work with people we don't like.

by nighthawk808

In an ideal world, that would be the case. But in some discussions, one or two people often make up for a large percentage of posts. Look in a discussion of 300 posts and you'll often see one particular individual has posted 100 of them. This person never does anything but lower the S/N ratio and basically renders the "next" button useless.

I'm not talking about people like you, apotheon, Tony Hopkinson, HAL 9000, et al. You guys post a lot but also contribute a lot to the intellectual level of most discussions. I'm referring to people you are both stupid and prolific. It's okay to be stupid, and it's okay to be prolific, but stupid and prolific is a Bad Thing, especially when there's a simple solution.

by jaqui

I personally don't use killfiles functionality even where it is enabled. If a particular person has shown that they aren't worth reading I don't read their posts.

There have been a few times where people's responses to such a person have hown they did contribute something worth reading, so I went and read it. the ignore / killfiles function would have made that impossible.

I don't worry about if people think my posts are a waste, or even if it pisses them off. ]:) I actually will post just to irritate people to get them thinking.

by dawgit

It works.!. :-) But, that's good. We need to keep on our toes then. And sometimes we need to be rocked back on our heels.

by jaqui

we all need to check our assumptions occasionally.
I know I do. If we don't get a shock we tend to get complacent and assume our world view on all subjects is accurate.

by rob mekel

Ain't "our" (is it our??) view on the world as regarding to all subjects accurate? :0
It shocks me that it wouldn't be. "We" (is it we??) never make assumptions, do we? Further more if we do it is because others want "us" (is it us ??) to make assumptions and look like fools. We don't like that, so we tender to shift responsibility to someone else not belonging to the us part of us.

Hell and this on Monday, where did the weekend go to!!! :D :^0 ;)

Rob
([i] hopefully "someone" (is there someone??) sees that it's a bit overdone and meant jocularly as I do agree on Jaqui. To be more exact that we do need to check our assumptions ALL the time. Special as wrong assumptions lead to mis-interpretations/communications and make discussions go ridicule out off hand/control[/i])

by nighthawk808

Are you trying to say I don't know everything about everything? ;)

But seriously, I do agree with you. I wouldn't bother to read or post to discussions if I wasn't looking to learn something from what other people had to say. But there are some things (and people) not worth wasting time on. These people are to discussions as Gartner is to tech news: completely devoid of any substance whatsoever, yet they manage to produce an impressive amount of BS. (Or, as Shakespeare put it, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.") Sure, even Gartner manages to make a correct predicition occasionally (usually something along the lines of "Gartner Group foresees that computers will still be used by businesses next year!"), but that doesn't make them worth spending a few precious seconds on. There are people who actually believe the world is flat; the fact that they have that opinion doesn't mean their opinion is worth mulling over.

by Member 21359867

killfiles can be misused too. I am unsure of the best solution, but there certainly is a problem (see my new post to the Google thread).

For me, TechRepublic is rapidly losing its usefulness as more boneheads use it mainly to air their - often rabid - opinions on anything BUT useful tech topics. There are a lot of other forums for that sort of stuff; personally I find it an unacceptable waste of my precious time...

by oneamazingwriter

back (actually more than a few) I tried chats and liked the ignore feature, but finally decided to ignore chats. A lot of what I read was nothing I cared to take part in.
Here at TR, I read more than participate, since I want to learn and truly don't have a lot to offer as yet in technical discussions. Thus far there's only been one member that I would choose to ignore, but that's only from discussions that aren't about computer technology (which I do feel free to enter).
I keep in mind why I came to TR to begin with. Anyone actively working in the field knows more than I do, and being able to read discussions here is better than a text book.
Since I am, for the most part, an outsider looking in, I wouldn't report anyone, as dawgit suggests, but I see that as a viable option to those of you who wind up being distracted in technical discussions by web hogs.

by smorty71

We've actually kicked this idea around a bit, but we have never come up with a good way to do it.

Using "ignore" causes problems with our discussion tree. For example, if you have chosen to ignore someone, what happens to all of the replies that hang off of that branch of the tree? Do we show them? They won't be in context since you can't see the ignored message.

We also considered some sort of rating system that would allow you to rate a post.

Ultimately, I think these mechanisms have the potential to limit the conversation.

For example, do we need to build "ignore" features or rating features, when it is so much easier to just reply to someone and ask them very, very nicely to STFU :)

by oneamazingwriter

Wikipedia's first definition of STFU is: special transitory food unit. That being stated I will feel much freer to use that in future discussions, as soon as I stop laughing!

by nighthawk808

I didn't know STFU had any other meaning than "Shut the (ahem) 'flock' up!" Now I've got a new phrase: "Why don't you take a ride on a food unit, Biff?"

Or, even better, something along the lines of Cockney rhyming slang. When I was in the Army, we used to call these things "gut trucks". So, adding a level of obfuscation, I could say "Get on the gut truck, Bobo." Of course, no one but me would know what on Earth that was supposed to mean, but that makes it all the more fun.

I'm going to see how many times I can work that into conversation today.

by jaqui

already, just don't read posts by that person.
[ unless replies to it indicate that they did post something worth reading. ]

by nighthawk808

There isn't really any solution to that, but that didn't keep killfiles from being invented anyway. Sure, when reading newsgroups I'd occasionally get a "jump discontinuity" as it skipped over a post, but that's more than made up for by the convenience of not having to skip over the other one in the first place. You get used to it after a while and, since the post you were just reading was a response to someone you've deemed lacking in any redeemable qualities, you probably weren't missing much anyway.

There actually aren't many people I'd plonk on TR (I can count them on one hand and still have fingers to spare), but it would still be a nice feature. Besides, killfiles (or ignore, which seems to be the less archaic term) are voluntary and up to the particular user. If you want to read every post by every person, more power to you. If you want to disregard posts by certain users, that would be up to you.

I like to read all posts in a discussion before posting, so I use the "Next" link to do this. However, I won't even bother reading discussions in which znkjryy rqvfba (<--name ROT13'ed to protect the stupid) participates because I have to click "Next" right through so many of his posts. It would be nice to be able to read a discussion without having to click 100 times unnecessarily.

But the actual clicking isn't so bad; it's the fact that TR tends to get a little unresponsive at times, so waiting for it to load a vacuous post 100 different times can add up to an hour of wasted time. Also, since the "Previous/Next" link is UNDER the post, it's not always in the same spot; it depends on the length of the message, so you almost always have to scroll or move the mouse to get to it. Maybe it's the engineer in me, but little things like this irk me.

I've always found rating posts to be useless. Even Slashdot's system, as multilayered as it is, is only one step above nothing at all.

Unfortunately, asking these kinds of individuals to stuff it usually just ends up adding two junk posts to the discussion: my request, and their "Now let me explain to you why I'm so mentally superior to you in every conceivable way, you Mensa peon" response.

by alangeek

Some browsers (Opera, my favorite, being one) have a "Next Page" function which will go to the next page in a series if the pages have been coded that way. Fortunately for me, the TR discussions are set up that way, so I can use Alt -> (alt-right arrow) or a mouse gesture to go to the next message without having to scroll down.

Now, if we could just get the series of pictures in the galleries to work that way....

-Alan

by jaqui

but the flat earthers are basing their opinion on beleifs held by everyone for far longer than the round earther beleifs have been around. ]:)

how can you say that they are wrong without at least looking at where they are coming from? :D
[ remember, is a conspiracy by the USA to promote the round earth fiction, they are the only one's publishing photos to prove the theory. ]:) ]

by nighthawk808

I'll go install Opera right now. It used to be my browser of choice (I even paid for a license for way back in the days of Opera 5.0), but I got lazy after I switched to Linux and just used Mozilla (and now Firefox with OpenSuSE 10.0) since it comes with it automatically--just like so many people use IE because it's already there. I actually feel somewhat guilty about this because Opera was always such an excellent browser. Firefox still doesn't have one of my favorite options from Opera, "Paste and go", and they STILL have "Close other tabs" right above "Close tab" as of 1.0.7.

Thanks for the info. Now I've got something new to play with this afternoon.

by nighthawk808

That word sounded vaguely familiar, but I couldn't put my finger on where I heard it. I asked a friend who is in the Navy about it. He was familiar with it, so it seems to be more of a Navy term than an Army one. We do appear to share the phrase "roach coach", though.

Post edited to replace the word "fried" with the word "friend". After serious consideration as to whether I should just leave it that way, perfectionism won out.

by oneamazingwriter

roach coach! Nowadays if I were to use that term where I live, someone would think I meant that there was a reefer teacher in the vicinity! :D

by oneamazingwriter

at some point or another I will give you ample opportunity to do that, nighthawk! :D Consider this: When/if it happens I will know exactly what you mean!!! ROFL

I love the Bobo, rather than the Biff. It seems less gender specific ;)

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