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Teddy Roosevelt said....

By JamesRL ·
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

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by maecuff In reply to Teddy Roosevelt said....

That same quote a few weeks ago. It seems that today, the exact opposite is true.

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Teddy Roosevelt is absolutely right

by maxwell edison In reply to Teddy Roosevelt said....

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More Teddy Roosevelt quotes:

"The government is us...You and me!"

"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism...The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin...would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities."

"It may be that at some time in the dim future of the race the need for war will vanish: but that time is yet ages distant. As yet no nation can hold its place in the world, or can do any work really worth doing, unless it stands ready to guard its right with an armed hand."

"I have always been fond of the West African proverb: 'Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.'"

"Is America a weakling, to shrink from the work of the great world powers? No! The young giant of the West stands on a continent and clasps the crest of an ocean in either hand. Our nation, glorious in youth and strength, looks into the future with eager eyes and rejoices as a strong man to run a race."

"If a man does not have an ideal and try to live up to it, then he becomes a mean, base and sordid creature, no matter how successful."

"The worst of all fears is the fear of living."

"A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user."

"It is true of the Nation, as of the individual, that the greatest doer must also be a great dreamer."

"The bulk of government is not legislation but administration." "Men can never escape being governed. Either they must govern themselves or they must submit to being governed by others."

"It is by no means necessary that a great nation should always stand at the heroic level. But no nation has the root of greatness in it unless in time of need it can rise to the heroic mood."

"Cowardice in a race, as in an individual, is the unpardonable sin."

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."

"A man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards."

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done."

"Criticism is necessary and useful; it is often indispensable; but it can never take the place of action, or be even a poor substitute for it. The function of the mere critic is of very subordinate usefulness. It is the doer of deeds who actually counts in the battle for life, and not the man who looks on and says how the fight ought to be fought, without himself sharing the stress and the danger."

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"The men with the muckrakes are often indispensable ... but only if they know when to stop raking the muck."

(Note: For many who may not know, the term "muckrakers" was coined by President T. Roosevelt {borrowed from the book Pilgrams Progress} in the era of "yellow journalism," the journalism of sensationalized crime, scandal, gossip, disasters, sex, sports and the like. Newspapers were filled with scare headlines, sensational pictures and photographs, stunts and faked stories, comic strips, features and personal crusades. Fake stories - sound familiar?)

So the REAL question is, do you simply take one small quote - perhaps out of its total context - and say "yes, yes, yes, that's right", or do you place credence in the totality of the underlying principles on which that quote was based? President Roosevelt tried to instill into the landscape and inspire people to become things not unlike the current day administration? How would President Teddy Roosevelt have acted in the face of today's problems? I can't help but think that the actions of GWB pale in comparison to what TR would have done - or wanted to do.

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y the way, the full quote in its full context:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

- Teddy Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", May 7, 1918

".......Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else."

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The full quote and full context

by maxwell edison In reply to Teddy Roosevelt said....

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(Separated from my "long" post)

The full quote in its full context:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

- Teddy Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", May 7, 1918

".......Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else."

".......as to praise him when he does right"

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Well said

by Oz_Media In reply to The full quote and full c ...

I think that some of the comments/quotes you provided are not as supportive of current actions as you may think, there are two ways to read MANY of the quotes provided.

Now personally, I think that TR was a MUCh better public speaker and actually made a LOT more sense than GWB. HE can at least formulate a response without making up new words and traqshing te Engliash language, very well spoken and thoughtful.

A few such quotes that I see are nto being practiced by American's today:
> "Speak softly and carry a big stick." (Also commonly known as WALK softly and cary a big stick)
-Seems to have become 'shout your the best and then try to prove it to the world' or 'stomp around and wave a biger stick than your enemy', not exactly what Teddy had in mind I'm sure.

>""There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism...The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin...would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities."
-I think this refers to the use of Afro-American, Mexican-American etc. Indicating a separation/isolation of the nationalities that make up America must be stopped.

paraphrased) "...unless it stands ready to guard its right with an armed hand."
-Well to me this means a defensive action on your soil, be prepared to defend against an attack, nobody would deny any country this.

I personally think if Teddy could see America today, he would be crying himself to sleep. I don't think ANY of the statementsd he made reflect today's actions by GWB at all. At NO time does he condone attacking a country. When yuo were all over the muckrakers comment yuo seem to be forgetting that these sources are imperative but should be taken with a grain of salt, JUST as the administration should also be viewed with some form of criticism in that it must be proven correct and should be questioned and contested when it is uncertain in it's motives.

I see what you are getting at by posting this, but I seriously doubt that these quotes support GWB in any way, in fact I think they ask for a more diplomatic approach than taken.

As for criticism and the doer, I have always supported the soldiers (the doers) in this battle and have NEVER discounted their ability to fight for America. GWB is NOT the doer in this case, the soldiers are. GWB is a mere puppet master.

>""Men can never escape being governed. Either they must govern themselves or they must submit to being governed by others."
- Would this not indicate that the government should always be in control as men cannot govern themselves (as in, Marshall law does not work)?

IN a nutsehll, I see many of these quotes as echoing the same intent, don't be a bystander and act as needed. This in NO way whatsoever condones, Invading another country, GWB's instilling fear in to America, people BLINDLY followig without SOME form of predjudice against the Administrations actions, in fact it abhors those who follow just because it is America's peesident and that are unable to compare many sides of the issues in order to reach a conclusion. You must be looking inward from the outside as well.

No I don't think Teddy R and GWB would have got along too well at all, one is very observant and welcomes criticisms, the other has a set adgenda and stops people from showing their feelings of the current administration. Was it not just last week that two people were "remioved" from a group of press conference onlookers for wearing Anti-Bush T-Shirts? Teddy wouldn't have let that happen,
>-"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

Yes, I see too much servitude regarding GWB and not enough people holding him accountable for his actions. Any negative comments as you and I and anyone else here knows, are simply slammed as Anti-American, Anti-Bush or mere slander. Why is it that people don't accept an alternate opinion? Teddy himself agrees that the 'muchrakers' are important if take appropriately and not simply as rote. Just the same as you must weigh GWB's comment against those that oppose him and accept that neither is bang on therefore some information from BOTH sides must be aceptable in order to form an opinion.

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