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The 2008 Presidency Race

By ProtiusX ·
Presidential Candidates for 2008

I am starting this a bit early as my original post to TR was "Why I am voting got George W. Bush". In 2008, President George W. Bush will be prohibited from seeking a third term. In the three most recent eight-year administrations (Eisenhower, Reagan, and Clinton), the incumbent Vice President has subsequently run for President. However, incumbent Vice President **** Cheney announced in 2001 that he would never run for President, a statement he reiterated in 2004. While appearing on Fox News Sunday, Cheney stated: "I will say just as hard as I possibly know how to say... 'If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve,' or, not only 'No,' but '****, no'. I've got my plans laid out. I'm going to serve this President for the next four years and then I'm out of here." There is some speculation that VP Cheney may retire as Vice President after the 2006 midterm elections. If this were to happen, his successor would likely become the frontrunner for the Republican nomination in 2008.

Assuming Cheney serves his full term and does not run, the 2008 race will be the first time since 1928 that neither the sitting President nor the sitting Vice President has run for President. (Note that while the 1952 general election between Dwight D. Eisenhower and Adlai Stevenson also did not include a sitting President or Vice President, sitting Vice President Alben Barkley had unsuccessfully campaigned for the Democratic presidential nomination, and President Harry Truman stood for the Democratic nomination in the New Hampshire primary.)

Should Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice receive the Republican Party's nomination in 2008, it would revive a practice that was the norm in the first fifty years of United States history. In early tradition, the Secretary of State post was the stepping stone to the Presidency. Many Commanders in Chief of the late 18th and early 19th centuries served as Secretary of State before being elected President, including Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Martin Van Buren, and James Buchanan. The Secretary of State post remains the primary Cabinet-level office to succeed the Chief Executive in the presidential line of succession. Secretary Rice has denied any desire to seek the presidency, though she is the current frontrunner in some public opinion polls.

The Republican Candidates who have officially announced their candidacy are:
John H. Cox of Illinois
Michael Charles Smith of Oregon

Republican Candidates who have formed exploratory committees or have expressed serious interest:
Senator George Allen of Virginia
Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas
Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich of Georgia
Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York City
Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska
Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas
Senator John McCain of Arizona
Governor George Pataki of New York
Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts
Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado

The Democrat Candidates who have officially announced their candidacy are:
Senator Joe Biden of Delaware
Senator Christopher Dodd of Connecticut
Former Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska

Democrat Candidates who have formed exploratory committees or have expressed serious interest:
Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana
Retired General Wesley Clark of Arkansas
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York
Former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina
Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin
Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts
Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico
Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa
Former Governor Mark Warner of Virginia

So I would like to hear your comments before I divulge who I support for the Presidency.

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Rice vs. Clinton

by RFink In reply to The 2008 Presidency Race

That would be the most interesting campaign of all time. If that were to happen, I'd be looking for a third party.

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by ProtiusX In reply to Rice vs. Clinton

Please explain why you neither care for Dr. Rice or Mrs. Clinton.

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I made this prediction in January (edited to add some prior predictions)

by maxwell edison In reply to The 2008 Presidency Race

....and I still stand by it:

For your convenience, the following is cut and pasted from my link:

My 2008 presidential election prediction (Made on January 27, 2006)

Neither the Democrat or Republican presidential candidate will come from either the U.S. Senate or the U.S. House of Representatives (the ultimate nominee, that is, not the primary candidates). This will eliminate both Senators Clinton and McCain, the often-mentioned possible "dream match up"; and it also eliminates Senator Kerry. Senator Leiberman is a viable candidate, but he's fallen out of favor within his own Democrat Party, he knows it, and I doubt he'll even enter the New Hampshire primary. Vice President Cheney will not run. Former Vice President Gore will not run. Former Representative Newt Gingrich of Georgia will throw his hat into the ring, but his campaign won't generate much steam, and it will attract vicious character assassinations. He'll drop out before the South Carolina primary.

That means the race will be a governor against a governor or former mayor (you know who I mean), or possibly someone from an appointed position, such as the current Secretary of State, but I doubt she will enter the race.

My prediction is a Democrat governor, possibly New Mexico Governor (and former Clinton administration energy secretary), Bill Richardson versus a former Republican mayor from New York. The Republican will win.


More bold predictions:

The jury is still out:

The jury is still out:

Correct prediction:

Correct prediction:

Wrong prediction:

Correct (sort of) prediction:

Close enough to be considered a correct prediction:**

(286 to 252)

My correct Arnold prediction:

Correct prediction (Vermont DID go to Kerry):

Wow, this was a good (and correct) prediction:

Actually fell short by 3 percent!

This one is on track to be correct, but it's really a no-brainer (except for people with no brain):

One for two on this one (but oh so close to two for two!):

Wrong (damn it!):

ProtiusX, I hope you don't mind my tangent, but it was rather fun going back to find my old predictions.

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God forbid Richardson gets the nod

by jmgarvin In reply to I made this prediction in ...

The guy can't even extent a road, how the **** can he run the country?

Yes, I live in New Mexico, and yes I think the guy is a noob.

Gary Johnson (the govenor before Richardson) is far better and far stronger...however, he isn't a democrat.

How do you think a hispanic president will play out in the deep south? I have a feeling some of the good ol' boys won't take too kindly to someone that isn't white in the white house....

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An astute Observation

by ProtiusX In reply to I made this prediction in ...

This is probably the most astute and well reasoned tangent I have ever read. I agree with you entirely. Hillary Clinton is very popular with the Democrats right now and her candidacy would solidify the left completely. It would though I believe alienate the middle as her politics are very left leaning and she would have to make Bill sleep on the couch again.

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This is why. . . .

by maxwell edison In reply to The 2008 Presidency Race

.....Rudy Giuliani will be the 44th President of the United States

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Rudy Guliani

by Tig2 In reply to The 2008 Presidency Race

Mc Cain has some support but I don't think nearly enough. Rudy would be my front runner for the Republican nod. I don't see Condi getting it but I can see her being a running mate... maybe.

I think that John Edwards would be a good choice given the pool. I think that Kerry should have enough sense to not go there. Biden runs and loses on a routine basis. Hillary is likely to get the nod.

I do not think that this country is yet ready to consider a woman in the Executive in Chief role. There is still a lingering perception, regardless of the known characteristics of a particular woman, that a woman would appear "weak". I agree and would have difficulty supporting a female candidate for that reason.

As a woman, am I saying that women are generally weak? NO. I am saying that much rides on perception.

There are countries that culturally would not find an acceptance level as well.

And while I realise that Margaret Thatcher got on just fine in Number 10 Downing, I also recognise that she was viewd in some circles as a functionary for her "boss", Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Second. She also did not move to Downing Sttreet during a shooting war.

It will be an interesting race.

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I would vote for Rudy

by jdclyde In reply to Rudy Guliani

Women seen as weak? Your missing the point. From a guys point of view, I would be more worried about her having a "midol moment" while sitting in front of "the button". :0

We all know what a beotch Bilary is on a GOOD day..... ;\

"WE are the President of the United States!"

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Rudy's too much of a wheeler-dealer for the larger American audience

by DelbertPGH In reply to Rudy Guliani

He's got an insider mentality that doesn't always work in his favor. You remember his chauffeur, who became his security chief, who he got GWB to nominate to head homeland security? The guy had such a spotty past, when Congress turned up the heat he was toast in three days. Rudy should have seen that coming.

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