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The Government Is Spying on Americans

By zlitocook ·
The Government Is Spying on Americans

Documents obtained by the ACLU under the Freedom of Information Act reveal that the FBI is using its Joint Terrorism Task Forces to gather extensive information about peaceful organizations. Recently, President Bush acknowledged giving explicit and secret authorization for warrantless electronic eavesdropping and physical searches by the National Security Agency. Now, there is reason to believe that the Pentagon, too, is illegally gathering and sharing private and protected information.

The actions of the president, his administration, and these agencies are part of a broad pattern of disregard for the rule of law in the name of national security. The ACLU is calling for investigations and full disclosure of records to determine if oaths of office were broken or federal laws violated.
Look at this wab site.

Well it looks like they can do what ever they want!
And I will get more emails saying thatit is for our own protection.

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as far as documentation goes

by jdclyde In reply to The Government Is Spying ...

not very specific, are they?

But then again, they know that their average reader wouldn't understand more or would just get bored?

facts, details, copies of the documents that show anything illegal going on. These would be a good addition to the story.

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well well

by rob mekel In reply to as far as documentation g ...
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by jdclyde In reply to well well
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well no, it isn't no

by rob mekel In reply to no

part of gathering info on the internet and so leading to other information. Where they can demand the info on the Joint Terrorism Task Forces.
So indirectly they are.


FoIA mixed up with JTTF, bloody **** stupid

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That other discussion

by jdclyde In reply to well no, it isn't no

was about looking for people surfing illegal porn, NOT about counter terrorism and wiretaps. It just got sidetracked into discussing that part as well.

Looking for people doing a google search for illegal porn is NOT spying on people.

It is called "investigation into a crime". You may have heard of it? ;\

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but then

by rob mekel In reply to That other discussion

one can lead to another.

And yes again I do agree upon you. If you re-read my post you will find out. All I'm doing is making it a little standstill and check if what is being done is done with the right intensions and will not lead to not wanted actions from a government.
If it can lead to unwanted actions then extra care should have been taken before righten the action.

And yes again internet en tele are wondrous things they do make look the world smaller. So "investigation into a crime" ain't unknown to me. But then the crime has to be committed or known that it will be, then they can investigate as much as they want, cross borders and so on.

So do we differ on this matter?


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I don't think so

by jdclyde In reply to but then

The main point was that it is intentionally misleading to call a criminal investigation spying.

It is also intentionally misleading to suddenly call the government keeping tabs on people "spying" just because that is the hot topic right now.

I saw NOTHING in any of the links provided that show this anti-recrutment had their phones illegally tapped, or anything else that is illegal. Putting someone in the group to keep tabs on them is NOT illegal.

Trying to track down child abuse is also not spying.

Is there anything there that you would disagree with? It seems more a matter of symantecs was the root of any disagreements?

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99% of them ARE!

by TonytheTiger In reply to but then

and will not lead to not wanted actions from a government.

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Define 'spying'

by gfisher In reply to The Government Is Spying ...

The word 'spying' has become a handy political tool but that's cost it a lot of its meaning. Should we be outraged that the police 'spy' on many innocent drivers before finding one deserving of a speeding ticket? Should we demand apologies from those 'spying' grocery clerks who presumptiously walk up and ask if we need assistance? Is it illicit that the postal service reads the address on every piece of mail we send?

Abusing words in a political setting may offer a few short-term benefits, but over time robs those words of their meaning. I am far more concerned about the people who are turning my language into Orwell's Newspeak than about those whose gaze might fall briefly on me while they go about the serious work of protecting real freedom.

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Good post

by jdclyde In reply to Define 'spying'

I WAS going to jump on that point, but didn't want to get sidetracked on my other point.

Right on the money. They are just going for shock value in an attempt to make political enemies look bad. And yes, that is EXACTLY the purpose of the ACLU these days, to attack their enemies so they can push their LIBERAL agenda.

I have said it before and will say it again. ANY organization that defends NAMBLA's "RIGHT" to post a "HOW-TO" for seducing underage boys has no place in this world. They have outlived their usefulness. The organization has been hijacked, just like greenpeace, and the Democratic party.

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