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The Music Lists

By Oz_Media ·
The Music LIsts is a neat way to kill some idle time, or some boring work time (same thing), it has some of the most interesting categories, some have been ver ypopular discussions here in the past. Greatest vocal performance, greatest song etc.

I was doing some digging for a project and ended up here:

The greatest Rock Vocal Performances List.

I was happy to see Judas Priest's Rob Halford (5x!) and Iron Maiden's Bruce Dickenson are receiving credit where credit is due anyway.

Some fo teh lists make for an interesting read tho, thought I'd pass it on.

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Well I was mildy

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to The Music Lists

intrigued until I failed to spot No quarter, in fact Led Zep appeared to be a one hit wonder.

The piece de resistance however was and Justice for all being a greater album than Kill'em All.
I suppose it useful to record company execs, but in terms of musical knowledge, it just sucks the big one.

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Not handy for anyone actually

by Oz_Media In reply to Well I was mildy

It's just opinion and it's placed in to a whole whack of cetegories. Best Rock drummers missed some key drummers too, Mickey Dee of Motorhead only got an honorable mention! He's not the best but is FAR better than some others listed.

Oh well, just amusement.

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Was doing LIVE8 research, will they succeed?

by Oz_Media In reply to Well I was mildy

I don't know if you're faamiliar with Live8, a Bob Geldof production taking place in countries all over the world, including the US and Canada in July to get politicians to actually resolve the issues in Africa during the upcoming G8.

His message to the politicians, "If you're not prepared to come here and resolve this, then don't bother showing up".

Why Live8:
These concerts are the start point for The Long Walk To Justice, the one way we can all make our voices heard in unison.

This is without doubt a moment in history where ordinary people can grasp the chance to achieve something truly monumental and demand from the 8 world leaders at G8 an end to poverty.

The G8 leaders have it within their power to alter history. They will only have the will to do so if tens of thousands of people show them that enough is enough.

By doubling aid, fully cancelling debt, and delivering trade justice for Africa, the G8 could change the future for millions of men, women and children."


Hey if it gets Pink Floyd together with Waters, even for just one more show, it's gotta be worth something!

EDIT: It's odd to think that if an average of 1 person dies every 5 minutes (One source claims every 3 minutes) people have died while you were lickcing and posting here because they can't afford the proper drugs and this has been going on HOW many years now?

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No it won't

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Was doing LIVE8 research, ...

Unfortunately as laudable an achievment as helping millions is there are millions and millions more who it won't even touch.
As for an end to poverty we can't even manage that in our own countries and probably never will.

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Are you speaking in regards to G8

by Oz_Media In reply to No it won't

Do you mean G8 won't succeed in forgiving debts and reducing pain in Africa? Or do you mean the concert won't raise enough to make a difference?

Reason I ask is that, this isn't a concert to raise money in any way. It's to urge a positive decision from the leaders in the G8.

There's a lot of info on the LIve8 site I linked to before if you haven't had a look.

They need support just as any other nation we help does, and it does make a difference in saving people's lives.

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If there was any serious drive

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Are you speaking in regar ...

among any of our leaders to address poverty, it would have been done ages ago. They have a big problem with the concept though, if there were no poor, there would be no rich and they like being rich.
I don't see how we can have a real effect on the issue. Supermarket chains in the UK alone throw away tonnes of food per day. They do this because there's no profit in giving it away and if supply visibly exceeded demand the price would go down.
Bearing in mind a lot of the ingredients for this food come from africa, you've got to wonder.
Why are they growing stuff they don't eat to sell to us to pay off loans to grow stuff for us to eat. Is the G8 going to adrress that issue, No, they may write off the debt, then they'll promptly lend them some more money.

I never said it wouldn't make a difference just that it won't make enough of one. We keep fixing their symptoms while making them ill so we can sell them a cure.

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Noble But Misdirected Effort

by Underground_In_TN In reply to Are you speaking in regar ...

Live8 has a noble intent. However...

Forgiving the debt of African nations will do absolutely nothing to relieve Africans from pain and poverty. Like all our previous efforts to send food and monetary aid to African nations, it will only help to further enrich the African governments, despots and war-lords who currently suppress, starve and exploit their own citizens for their own gain. That food and money rarely gets to the people it was sent to help.

What Africans need is a revolution by people who want to set up new governments that will, like the original American government, be of the people, by the people, and for the people.

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Medication and drug issues

by Oz_Media In reply to Noble But Misdirected Eff ...

From what I have seen, the money DOES get there in quite a few ways. One problem they have is with poorer families not being able to afford medicines, which causes many people to die each day. A lot more people have food now but not money for drugs (sounds like America LOL!).

I think there are a lot of issue that would be resolved while others appear, in the end though, do we just srug it off as an imposibility or do we strive to find a solution?

The Iraqi's who were attending colleges to get degrees in biochemistry and learning computer programming seemed worthy of support from you, why not a country with even more repression and less freedom. Should we not perhaps help these people too? I kow they are getting help as it trickles through the syystem, but whemn they are offered help at a price they can't afford, how is anyone actually helping them?

The issue is obviously imperative enough that the G8 leaders are taking this as a key issue to be tabled and are not quite so flippantly brushing it off.

Why is it so many people will justify one cause by saying they are helping people, yet when REAL help is needed, nothing can be done and it's swept under the rug?

Perhaps Africans need to start building WMD or something to get the world's attention.

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by Underground_In_TN In reply to Medication and drug issue ...

Oz, you did not read anything in my post that said we should just shrug off the problem, nor was I being flippant. You just assumed all that, maybe because I disagree with your proposed solution.

I based my opinion on that fact that Africans usually do NOT receive the aid we send. Which ones do or don't differ from nation to nation, so we're both partially right. Take Somalia, for example. America tried to send food, using everything from volunteer organizations to the military, and the war-lords prevented it all from reaching the people who needed it most. That is typical of most other nations there, though there are exceptions. You think it's trickling down everywhere there (funny, but liberals here pooh-poohed the "trickle-down theory" when Ronald Reagan proposed it), and I wish you were right, but the evidense I see doesn't support it.

I'm not suggestiing this, but I think sending small arms to the people would be more beneficial to many of them than sending food and money to their governments. But help them build WMDs? Now who's being flippant?

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by Oz_Media In reply to Noble But Misdirected Eff ...

I still think you brushed off the issue a little easily with the, we can't help anyway, mentality.

But you did the same thing with making assumtions toward my last post too.

"You just assumed all that, maybe because I disagree with your proposed solution."

Could you show me what MY propsed solution is? I didn't know I had one, yet alone had propsed one.

I had proposed listening to a concert featuring Pink Floyd and mentioned the cause and the objective of the cause. I don't remember proposing any solutions to poverty in Africa though.

As for my being flippant;

Flippant: adj.
1. Marked by disrespectful levity or casualness; pert.

Levity or casualness, as far as Iraq, the whole issue is being looked at far too FLIPPANTLY by those who started it and those who support it, but definitely not myself. I was dead serious actually, Americans had NO interest in helping anyone until they felt threatened. NOW many Americans are claiming others don't care and how they are helping the poor repressed Iraqi's find a way to freedom, democray and a better life. If THAT's the case, go do it in Africa then.

The problem is, G.W.Stalin doesn't benefit nor do his corporate friends. He also used WMD to create support for his PIPE dream and then changed his focus to helping them when too many questions were being raised, NOW people are expected to think you went to Iraq to help Iraqi's and not help yourselves.

He should PROVE IT then, help someone who REALLY needs help instead.

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