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by oz_media

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The Music LIsts is a neat way to kill some idle time, or some boring work time (same thing), it has some of the most interesting categories, some have been ver ypopular discussions here in the past. Greatest vocal performance, greatest song etc.

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/music0.html

I was doing some digging for a project and ended up here: http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/music0.html

The greatest Rock Vocal Performances List.

I was happy to see Judas Priest's Rob Halford (5x!) and Iron Maiden's Bruce Dickenson are receiving credit where credit is due anyway.

Some fo teh lists make for an interesting read tho, thought I'd pass it on.

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by tony hopkinson

intrigued until I failed to spot No quarter, in fact Led Zep appeared to be a one hit wonder.

The piece de resistance however was and Justice for all being a greater album than Kill'em All.
I suppose it useful to record company execs, but in terms of musical knowledge, it just sucks the big one.

by oz_media

It's just opinion and it's placed in to a whole whack of cetegories. Best Rock drummers missed some key drummers too, Mickey Dee of Motorhead only got an honorable mention! He's not the best but is FAR better than some others listed.

Oh well, just amusement.

by oz_media

I don't know if you're faamiliar with Live8, a Bob Geldof production taking place in countries all over the world, including the US and Canada in July to get politicians to actually resolve the issues in Africa during the upcoming G8.

His message to the politicians, "If you're not prepared to come here and resolve this, then don't bother showing up".

Why Live8:
These concerts are the start point for The Long Walk To Justice, the one way we can all make our voices heard in unison.

This is without doubt a moment in history where ordinary people can grasp the chance to achieve something truly monumental and demand from the 8 world leaders at G8 an end to poverty.

The G8 leaders have it within their power to alter history. They will only have the will to do so if tens of thousands of people show them that enough is enough.

By doubling aid, fully cancelling debt, and delivering trade justice for Africa, the G8 could change the future for millions of men, women and children."

more: http://www.live8live.com/

Hey if it gets Pink Floyd together with Waters, even for just one more show, it's gotta be worth something!

EDIT: It's odd to think that if an average of 1 person dies every 5 minutes (One source claims every 3 minutes) people have died while you were lickcing and posting here because they can't afford the proper drugs and this has been going on HOW many years now?

by tony hopkinson

Unfortunately as laudable an achievment as helping millions is there are millions and millions more who it won't even touch.
As for an end to poverty we can't even manage that in our own countries and probably never will.

by oz_media

Do you mean G8 won't succeed in forgiving debts and reducing pain in Africa? Or do you mean the concert won't raise enough to make a difference?

Reason I ask is that, this isn't a concert to raise money in any way. It's to urge a positive decision from the leaders in the G8.

There's a lot of info on the LIve8 site I linked to before if you haven't had a look.

They need support just as any other nation we help does, and it does make a difference in saving people's lives.

by tony hopkinson

among any of our leaders to address poverty, it would have been done ages ago. They have a big problem with the concept though, if there were no poor, there would be no rich and they like being rich.
I don't see how we can have a real effect on the issue. Supermarket chains in the UK alone throw away tonnes of food per day. They do this because there's no profit in giving it away and if supply visibly exceeded demand the price would go down.
Bearing in mind a lot of the ingredients for this food come from africa, you've got to wonder.
Why are they growing stuff they don't eat to sell to us to pay off loans to grow stuff for us to eat. Is the G8 going to adrress that issue, No, they may write off the debt, then they'll promptly lend them some more money.

I never said it wouldn't make a difference just that it won't make enough of one. We keep fixing their symptoms while making them ill so we can sell them a cure.

by underground_in_tn

Live8 has a noble intent. However...

Forgiving the debt of African nations will do absolutely nothing to relieve Africans from pain and poverty. Like all our previous efforts to send food and monetary aid to African nations, it will only help to further enrich the African governments, despots and war-lords who currently suppress, starve and exploit their own citizens for their own gain. That food and money rarely gets to the people it was sent to help.

What Africans need is a revolution by people who want to set up new governments that will, like the original American government, be of the people, by the people, and for the people.

by oz_media

From what I have seen, the money DOES get there in quite a few ways. One problem they have is with poorer families not being able to afford medicines, which causes many people to die each day. A lot more people have food now but not money for drugs (sounds like America LOL!).

I think there are a lot of issue that would be resolved while others appear, in the end though, do we just srug it off as an imposibility or do we strive to find a solution?

The Iraqi's who were attending colleges to get degrees in biochemistry and learning computer programming seemed worthy of support from you, why not a country with even more repression and less freedom. Should we not perhaps help these people too? I kow they are getting help as it trickles through the syystem, but whemn they are offered help at a price they can't afford, how is anyone actually helping them?

The issue is obviously imperative enough that the G8 leaders are taking this as a key issue to be tabled and are not quite so flippantly brushing it off.

Why is it so many people will justify one cause by saying they are helping people, yet when REAL help is needed, nothing can be done and it's swept under the rug?

Perhaps Africans need to start building WMD or something to get the world's attention.

by oz_media

I still think you brushed off the issue a little easily with the, we can't help anyway, mentality.

But you did the same thing with making assumtions toward my last post too.

"You just assumed all that, maybe because I disagree with your proposed solution."

Could you show me what MY propsed solution is? I didn't know I had one, yet alone had propsed one.

I had proposed listening to a concert featuring Pink Floyd and mentioned the cause and the objective of the cause. I don't remember proposing any solutions to poverty in Africa though.

As for my being flippant;

Flippant: adj.
1. Marked by disrespectful levity or casualness; pert.

Levity or casualness, as far as Iraq, the whole issue is being looked at far too FLIPPANTLY by those who started it and those who support it, but definitely not myself. I was dead serious actually, Americans had NO interest in helping anyone until they felt threatened. NOW many Americans are claiming others don't care and how they are helping the poor repressed Iraqi's find a way to freedom, democray and a better life. If THAT's the case, go do it in Africa then.

The problem is, G.W.Stalin doesn't benefit nor do his corporate friends. He also used WMD to create support for his PIPE dream and then changed his focus to helping them when too many questions were being raised, NOW people are expected to think you went to Iraq to help Iraqi's and not help yourselves.

He should PROVE IT then, help someone who REALLY needs help instead.

by itgirli

I looked all through their list of top 100 drummers and didn't find my favorite drummer anywhere. What does a one armed drummer have to do for a little respect? Rick Allen is the sh!t.

by oz_media

While he's developed the ability to play an assisted kit and has gained many Def Leopard fans around the world, he's not exactly a unique drummer as far as ability is concerned. Even with two arms he played the most basic 4X4 beats throughout DL's CD's and threw a couple of synocpated rhythms in here and there as bridges but that's about it.

He's an OKAY drummer, but definitely not worthy of top rock drummer status, mind you,many others shouldn't be on that list either.

by itgirli

even if he were #100. Look at Ringo Starr. He's on there and while the Beatles were great ( the greatest, in my opinion), I wouldn't say that Ringo had the great beats to be as far up the list as he is.

by jck

a) Debbie Gibson isn't on the greatest Rock/Pop of the 80s list.

b) Shabba Ranks is #33 on the Reggae list (should be a bit higher, IMHO)

c) Tom Keifer got mentioned twice in the frontman category

d) Jaco Pastorius didn't make the 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists list.

and last but not least:

e) GWAR didn't make the 100 Greatest 'Live' Rock Artists...their show was so creative and innovative and they were *definitely* an original.

by jck

I think the reason Ringo is so high is the keyword: influence.

Ringo was by no way innovative or highly technical...and it was the entire band that was original.

I like Ringo, but I have to agree he's not that great in most aspects. But, his influence as a Beatle is what got him on there...not as a drum god.

As for Rick Allen...that's what he lacks...DL was turned into an 80s hair band along with Enuff Znuff and Poison. A band that had talent that had to be glammed up for the times. Rick's definitely talented, but he's no John Bonham or Buddy Guy...but, he does belong above guys like the drummer for Chicago (who is on for the same reason as Ringo...band influence).

Another drummer who is missing who was not only creative but an incredible technician on a kit was Luis Cardenas.

by jamesrl

But not necessarily on Chicago.

As I've stated before, you really have to look at Chicago as two groups. The first 7 albums were rock influenced jazz with 6 and 7 minute songs, great drum solos, lots of horns etc. After one of the leads died, the band went into a much more commercial and radio oriented format. Once David Foster started producing the change became permanent.

The original drumming in the first few Chicago albums was amazing. I was learning drumming in the late 70s, and Chicago was one group we all listened to in order to learn a little more than a standard rock beat. Listen to "Make Me smile" or "Question 67 or 68" to get a good feel for it -but make sure you get the album versions not the radio versions.

James

by jck

that's about the only place I can find an album around here.

Luckily I have that turntable :)

by jck

Greatest Rock Keyboardists

1. Keith Emerson
2. Rick Wakeman

I've heard live stuff from both of those guys...bootlegs...friggin amazing.

One name missing (from the 70s psychedelic type rock music) who was probably excluded because of popularity: Lincoln Mayorga of Tangerine Dream.

Manfred Mann at #100? Rod Argent at #25? Am I missing something here? what about Danny Elfman? sheesh

by oz_media

But somehow placed Jon Lord above Rick Wright?

Okay, Deep Purple had some ground breaking synth intros (mostly by Don Airey and not Jon Lord) and bridges but RICHARD WRIGHT behind him?!? C'MON PEOPLE, WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING HERE !?!

:D

by itgirli

was the 100 greatest jazz artists of all time. But where is the Big Band stuff? a little Artie Shaw? They are missing some really good bands like Seven Nations and Brother in the global list.

by jck

You've got to be kidding me...

Appetite for Destruction is the #1 Greatest Rock album of the 80s?

Give me a break...

2,3, or 4 would be far better choices. A4D had 3 good songs on it...the rest were plain.

Back in Black and Moving Pictures were both superior musical efforts.

Oh well...so much for taste...

by jck

Letting someone say A4D is better than Back in Black...

Would be like listening to someone talk about somebody ya love, and they were tellin you how your loved one blew the football team at your school.

It just...isn't...right.

by dmambo

Bohemian Rhapsody as #8 song, I stopped browsing. Give me a break.

Oz, As far as Live8 is concerned, as long as GWB is in charge, you'll see nothing but token gestures from the US. Sad but true that the richest nation is also one of the most miserly.

by oz_media

I know what you mean, even Buddy Rich, arguably one of the greatest drummers of all time, only played a 5 piece kit. He was very limited to what he could play due to technology and the style of music played. Yet he had an incredible tempo and even more important he had 'GOOD METER'. He could play Jazz (which has too many faded 'wanders and walks' for most players to keep time) for hours without a single fluctuation in tempo.

So for ME he's boring to watch, "big deal,now play that upside down with a double kick" but as a musician, he was pheniminal.

SO, sorry for the lengthy segue, I think Ringo is recognized #1 for his contribution to the Beatles and for his excellent meter, unwavering tempo that helps create melody. The same song played by different drummers has a completely different feel, even if they are playign the same kit. The Beatles most incredible talent was writing a MELODY, a song with hooks, they are all fantastic melodies. Thus Ringo's drumming is attributed for creating these melodies and places him as one of the best drummers in music.

I can swallow that easy enough, even though it's not really my thing.

But there are several drummers on that list I would toss, a few I would move up and a few I raise an eyebrow at as they really did nothing in their career at all.

I haven't bothered to look for sources, I assume user polls etc. for the info but it's all in fun anyway.

by oz_media

If there was a remote possibility she COULD have blown the team , then it would be awful.

In THIS case, GNR ? Right.

Anyone with any sense of music at all, knows very well 'she couldn't possibly be blowing the team'.

GNR was a lost cause long befor ethey even go started, there was so much hype by millions who'd never even heard most of their music. Just promo, well done, but the band simply did not live up to it, and it only takes a couple of heartbeats for people to catch on they aer being scammed.

Yet again, I STILL hear people going camping with GNR cranked, the mindset of GNR followers is generally that which will have them buy ANYTHING that is sold to them and/or their peers. It's a mindless follower crowd usually.

So in this case, who cares, there no possibly way shew blew the team so it's hardly worth contesting.

by jck

GNR, in all their efforts, had about 4 really good songs. But, their albums were mostly filler.

GNR is nothing like a band of the calibre of say...Yes...where you can just sit down and chill and listen to Fragile or Siberian Khatru...or, ELP and rock out.

GNR was hype...I agree. 'Jungle was the best thing that could have ever happened to them. It was the optimal debut song a band could have hoped for in the 80s.

Just think...if Motley Crue would have had Shout at the Devil out first instead of Too Fast For Love or Livewire, they'd probably have had the jumpstart GNR did.

Anyways...she could be blowing the whole team...she'd just have to have a really big mouth ]:)

by jamesrl

Look for the Rhino records 2 CD set Only the Beginning,which covers the whole career of the band.

Or look for Chicago IX which is a best hits of the first 8 albums(2 of which were live albums).

James

by underground_in_tn

Oz, you did not read anything in my post that said we should just shrug off the problem, nor was I being flippant. You just assumed all that, maybe because I disagree with your proposed solution.

I based my opinion on that fact that Africans usually do NOT receive the aid we send. Which ones do or don't differ from nation to nation, so we're both partially right. Take Somalia, for example. America tried to send food, using everything from volunteer organizations to the military, and the war-lords prevented it all from reaching the people who needed it most. That is typical of most other nations there, though there are exceptions. You think it's trickling down everywhere there (funny, but liberals here pooh-poohed the "trickle-down theory" when Ronald Reagan proposed it), and I wish you were right, but the evidense I see doesn't support it.

I'm not suggestiing this, but I think sending small arms to the people would be more beneficial to many of them than sending food and money to their governments. But help them build WMDs? Now who's being flippant?

by jck

Shouldn't I be looking for Chicago Transit Authority though? ;)

I've listened to a lot of Chicago...just don't have a lot of their vinyl.

by jamesrl

Was only the band's name for the first album. Then the civic organization who ran buses and subways complained, and the band's named was shortened.

James

by jck

a couple of live recordings...then a commercial album...then, the CTA (the organization) threatened to actually sue them for use of their name.

I thought there were more than one album...i'll go check at the flea market and (if I can find one) local record shops.

by fonken monken uk

what the FUNK!!! How can you have James Jamerson as the No.1 ROCK bassist, but no mention of Jaco?
And how on Gods earth did lord Jaco Pastorius come 4th behind STANLEY CLARKE?!?!?!?!? WHAT?

Have these people heard any Stanley Clarke? You know, the guy who was so esoteric that even in Return To Forever, it was an unlistenable battle for ego space?
Ballcocks to it all - Jaco Pastorisu, no.1 bassplayer EVER.

Yes I am a bass player.

by jamesrl

Beethoven before Mozart and Bach! Everybody knows the man couldn't even hear. If it wasn't for Bach, Beethoven wouldn't exist. And Mozart had more talent in his little finger.

See the problem with trying to come up with a list?

James

by jck

I talked about that in an early post...how Jaco couldn't make the list...he was in a league of his own...the guy was a phenom.

BTW...his niece lives in FL...and I know her. She's a trumpet player in a blues review.

by fonken monken uk

I knew some of the Pastoris family was still there. On a trip to Fort Lauderdale a couple of years back I spent 2 hours in the Music Arts Entertainment place speaking to the dude in the bass dept about Jaco...bass playing....how he was the best.....had a go on the Jaco edition jazz bass (very nice).

Apparently Al Dimeola is still in the area

by jck

Rock guitarists:

Kenny Wayne Shepherd, although an incredible talent, is ranked above influential rockers such as Joe Perry and Peter Frampton who are not only technical wizards at the guitar but also are legends and highly influential guys in the industry.

Greatest Female Artists of Rock n Roll:

Aretha Franklin, although one of the greatest voices ever in R&B and soul, never was a "rock" singer...she was on the pop charts on occassion and adult contemporary...but, you never saw her album to album on rock charts.

Greatest Lyrical Performances:

That one is all messed up. I expect to see Henry Rollins' spoken word on their in red soon.

Oh well...to each their own

by oz_media

[i]Disclaimer: There is nothing 'Official' about these lists. They are compiled by the 'editor' using the stated criteria, and revised considering the competent suggestions of visitors to this website only.

DigitalDreamDoor.com is a non-commercial, personal website, to be used for entertainment,educational, or research purposes only.[/i]

So as stated originally, just take it all with a grain of salt.

by jck

and comment then...

Yanni will be in the soul music if I don't...

by oz_media

When you se GNR near the top of ANY list, you know it's not based on any credible evidence or data to begin with.

Just grin and bear it.

by jck

some of their lists are b.s., and some seem credible. I wonder if they just took every available poll they could find, combined them, then took the random emailings from "credible" submissions to add to/modify the list.

it's a neat little site tho...they actually had a portion for classical/flamenco/andalusian guitarists...

by oz_media

Music lists is just the tip of the iceberg.

They have hilarious jokes lists, pictures lists etc.

Try the home page and you'll get more.

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