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Ok, after just being shouted down in the street by a preacher who I told 'I am not interested', I am now going to off-load on you guys (& gals) because even if you disagree with me you are intelligent & thought provoking...

Here goes...

1) Religion.

I do not care what religion you are, I have already decided for my self which one I am following & I do not ram it down your throat now do I? please don't ram yours down my throat.

2) Intelligent Design.

Ummm... people, this is not the dark ages, wake up & smell the primordal ooze.

3) Abortion

A woman has a right to decide on her own body, I really have nothing to do with that - However, I would like to see a decrease in 'vanity' abortions - I don't care about your figure or any stretchmarks that may appear - neither should your other half - & incidentally, if you are working on building a career then you should have been more careful (& if you are really serious then you can work out a way to have both).

4) Drugs

Yes please

5) Same sex marriage

If you love someone then why the hell not???

6) Divorce

All good with me. If you have fallen out of love with someone then why suffer?

7) Iraq/George Bush etc etc...

George is a moron, war is wrong. But you voted him in, get over it.

8) Sexism

Just plain wrong - we're all equals here.

9) Racism

Same thing.

10) Smoking in public places.

Give bars & restaurants a choice. I am sure there are some who make money out of the non-smoking thing & equally sure there are some who are loosing money & would like to let people smoke.

Ok, that covers it for now - thank you for letting me vent a little steam. I look forward to seeing your replies - (Jardinier, that means you too - I actually like your reasoning even if I disagree with some of the things you say. Maxwell, you're invited too)

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by ciderick

Conspiracy Theories.

JKF - Dead, Princess Diana - Dead, Elvis - Dead.

Shot, crashed & peanut butter sandwiched in that order - no conspiracy, just dead people

by amberhaze

You just hit on one of my pet peaves... any and all conspiracy theories... I am sorry, just look at how hopless the powers that be are at handling even the simplest of tasks, yet the theorists out there would have us believe that not only could these same idiots conceave of a sophisticated plan involving concealment and much more......

by onbliss

12) Usage of the phrase "Cut and Paste".
If it is copy and paste that is being done, then say it as "Copy and Paste" :-))

by ciderick

Yes, the more the merrier, lets see how many peeves people have...

Here's one - people who write abbreviation as abbr.

by lowlands

- the local news. Stop trying to be funny, just give me the news.

- 14-day weather forecast. If you can't even get tomorrow right, why bother with a 14-day forecast.

by jdclyde

religion. while the wackos of ANY faith should stay out of your face, so should the anti-religion people. Saying "under god" in the pledge did not scar you as a child and it won't anyone else. get over it.

Until ID is disproven or Evolution becomes more than a theory, get over yourself monkey boy.

abortion. safe, legal, rare. should NEVER be casual or "just one of those things". Anyone that wears an "I had an abortion" shirt is scum.

drugs. depends. no excuses for people on drugs, EVER. can't pay your bills because you spent your money on drugs? Starve. Got kids and your strung out? Take the kids away and put you in jail for child endangerment.

same sex marriage. this is not taking anything away from gays by not changing existing definitions of what marriage is and has been. the existing rules do not need to be changed just so you can validate yourself. it isn't marriage. civil unions were created for this purpose. If you don't like what marriage is, don't do it. do the NEW union for the new type of union.

divorce. now that being the better parent isn't based on who has the vagina, fine. women, you want to leave then you are entitled to half that you worked for. you are NOT entitled to a paycheck. men, give them what they are due and nothing more. kids. parents that WANT to be involved should have equal time. If you have equal time, there should not be any support paid as you support the kids when you have them.

GWB and war. It turns out that some of the early Democrats were right. Iraqies are NOT worth it. let them kill each other like the bloody savages they are. make trade partners with whoever is left standing.

sexism/racism and all other isms are stupid thoughts by stupid people. but that is the double edge of a free society. freedom of speech protects even hate speech. (ask the ACLU). It should be illegal in hiring/housing, but is hard to apply a law anywhere else. (hard enough to do it in the work place). charging someone with a "hate crime" is just stupidity as well. Is it better to kill someone I don't hate?

smoking. people in CA show that they are only interested in SOME rights. They are quick to pick and choose, showing their complete lack of integrity. If your in an open place, or a private business, then it should be dependant on the owner of that place to decide if they want to cater to smokers or non-smokers. If they make an unpopular choice, they go out of business because people won't go there. on the other hand, smokers have already shown THEIR questionable intelligence by smoking in the first place.

But the number one rule, as long as you don't affect my life, you have the right to be wrong.

by ciderick

Now that's what we like to see. I noticed some of your opinions differ (which is good) but in a lot of cases you seem to be in violent agreement there.

by jdclyde

they would realize that there is more they would agree on than disagree. It is usually getting hung up on a detail here or there, or even having different understandings of what something means.

Everyone that has different ideas is not ALWAYS a bad person, because you can have good people with bad ideas. A lot of that comes from people being too lazy to get informed on issues before they blindly take a side.

Emotions in arguments will be seen in the next election as the Democratic party has already said they are running against the policies of the current administration. Hello? If they couldn't win an election based on Bush hate when they were running against him (twice), why do they think it would work when they are running against someone else? This is going to be ugly in 08.

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Got to admit that when you saw the title of your last post "nice", I expected sarcasim..... :0

by jamesrl

I will only pick on same sex, cause we agree on most things.

Marriage is a religious institution, that the state (political science meaning of state) has institutionalized. There are gay friendly churches here in Canada who happily support and perform same sex marriages. More power to them. Freedom of religion is not freedom to support my religion. If the state wants to back out of doing "marriage" ceremonies, and go back to doing a ceremony for civil unions, and lets churchs hold marriage ceremonies for whoever they want (or deny who they don't want as is their right), then go ahead, but come on people this is just an argument over semantics. Before the white man came to the New world, there were no christian wedding ceremonies - were all the natives living in sin?

GWB and the war. I haven't changed my views ever. But you know what - arguing about the past isn't helpful, whats done is done, and what is important is the future. I do believe if you are responsible for pushing humpty dumpty off the wall, you are responsible for cleaning up the mess. I'm not sure civil war in Iraq can be avoided - look at Afghanistan after the Russians left, or Somalia etc. Perhaps it would have happened in any case whenever Saddam died or left power. As I have said before, Iraq's borders were defined by Britain after WWI, prior to that they were part of the Ottoman empire, and it wasn't one province, it was three separate provinces(the lower province included what we know as Kuwait).

Smoking. Sure in a reasonable size city you may have choices, but in one horse towns, if the owner decides to make it smoking, you don't have a choice. If you are waitress, second hand smoke is a workplace hazard. Christopher Reeves' wife never smoked in her life, never lived with a smoker, but she worked in a lot of smoky nightclubs. She got lung cancer, and the most credible reason is through the smoke from those nightclubs. If you want to pollute your lungs in the great outdoors or in your car or house, go ahead.

James
James

by jdclyde

If I own a business, you think the government should have the ability to dictate if I allow adults to use a legal product?

Personal choice. No one MADE her work there or live there. Start your own business.

No one is making anyone work in the nightclubs (except for a sex slave trade they JUST broke up in Detroit/Chicago last week).

If you don't like the smoke or the uniform or the whatever, don't work there. No sympathy for people making their own choices, and second hand smoke is not a new discovery.

Also, this is the minority of cases and as you said it was only "most credible reason". People get lung cancer from more than smoking and being around smokers.

I have a hard time being around smokers. I have bad alergies and sinuses that have always bothered me. After I got the double pneumonia a few years ago, it became physically painful to be in the same house with smokine (the ex smoked). After a few days of the middle of winter, (just out of the hospital), bundling up and sitting on the porch till she was done finally got her to at least go into the back room and stand by the window. At that point I couldn't even walk to the corner and back. Was one sick puppy.

I by no means am a pro-smoker. I AM pro-freedom. The difference between this freedom and the pro-abortion freedom is we just disagree with whos freedom is being infringed on. You think it is the woman, I think it is the baby getting killed that is loosing the ultimate freedom. So I am still supporting freedom when I am against the evils of causal abortions for birthcontrol. The mothers had the freedom of getting pregnant or not. The baby doesn't have the choice of being aborted or living.

Marriage. Symantics is right. Which is why all the people that are so up in armes against the people that don't feel they have to compromise their beliefs should be asked the same question. What is the big deal? If its not a big deal, then why are the gays MAKING this a big deal?

The unions give the legal rights of married people, and as many today try to say marriage is just a piece of paper now anyways, again, I ask why it is the pro-gays that are making this into a big deal?

Let them have the new defintion for the new relationship. One that doesn't have all the baggage of the quickie divorces that have ruined marriage for many.

But yes, we agree more than we disagree.

by shellbot

nice points being made here guys.. validates my personal opinion that you two are the sanest and most down to earth guys i've had contact with in a electronic situation.

by jdclyde

you have told us a few things you like but that isn't the purpose of this discussion.

What ticks shell off? :D Enquiring minds want to know! :^0

by pete1978

I agree on nearly every point but the smoking issue. Smokers who believe that their right to smoke exceeds my right to not breath second hand smoke really bug me!

People were born as non-smokers. It is the smokers who chose to change their breathing habits. Non-smokers have rights, too. My not smoking has never interfered with someone's ability to suck in pollution! But people who smoke have often interfered with my ability to breath clean air.

What TOO many smokers forget is that they don't keep the smoke in and that they don't extinguish the smoking material between each drag. What that means is that they are polluting the air for EVERYONE around them. I totally agree that a person has the right to pollute their own lungs. But leave my lungs alone!

How can you get smoke free anywhere where someone is allowed to smoke? Ever try to tell smoke "you can't leave the room" -- it just doesn't work.

In places with smoking/non-smoking areas in resturants, I have too often been seated in non-smoking sections only to discover, by way of smoke drifting to my table, that the next table is in the smoking area. I didn't ask for non-smoking because I don't like dirty ashtrays. I asked for non-smoking because I don't like smoke. So if you seat me next to someone who is smoking, you have seated me in a smoking section and forced me to smoke.

Your right to do anything ends at the tip of your nose. Smoke, on the other hand, will eventually fill the entire room having traveled far beyond the tip of your nose. It is because of the conflict between the physics of smoke and the limits of your rights that non-smoking laws have been put into effect.

The smoke-free area laws are designed under the idea that nonsmokers have the RIGHT to a smoke free environment. This is a birth right (people are not smokers at birth, smoking is a choice they make later in life.) Sorry smokers, but I believe that the right to something we've been doing since birth exceeds the right to do something you decided to start doing later in life.

Don't tell me that second hand smoke has never been proven to do whatever. I don't care. I don't like smoke and I have a right to not breath smoke even if you can prove that it is perfectly safe. It isn't a safety issue, it is a freedom of choice issue. It's a rights issue. I choose to stay, as I was at birth, a non-smoker. That is my right!

You want to smoke. Go ahead. Go home and smoke. Burn your house down and suck in all the smoke. See if I care. More power to you! But to smoke anywhere near me without violating my right to clean air, you'll need to suck the smoke in but not exhale. You'll need to remember to extingush the smoking material between puffs. Finally, you'll have to develop a way to light your smoking material without puffs of smoke drifting across the room. If you can all that so that the smoke stays in you (not beyond your nose), then you should be able to smoke anywhere because, then, and only then, does your smoking effect only you. Your right to smoke does not exceed my right to not have to breath your pollution!

On a related note, isn't it funny how the people who are upset by smoke-free laws are often supporters of rules and regulations that require clean running cars? Hey, people, it's actually the same thing!

by montgomery gator

People with opinions you expressed in items 1 through 5 and item 7 really irk me. :-)

As far as #6, divorce should not be taken lightly, but at the same time there are valid reasons for divorce, too, and "falling out of love" is not one of them. I count valid reasons as infidelity, irresponsibility, drug use, criminal activity, spousal abuse, and a very mean and spiteful spouse.

Now I do agree completely with you with items 8 through 10.

by tryten

So if I no longer love my wife I need to beat the crap out of her, cheat on her, smoke crack, commit armed robbery, or randomly assault people (that might be fun)to get a divorce.....

by jellimonsta

I you make a CHOICE to no longer love your wife, you need to look at why you are making that choice, not what illegal activity will allow for divorce.

Love is mostly choice, not mostly emotion. Mostly emotion is lust, and no one should marry out of lust.

I make a choice to love my wife every day, even when we are bugging the heck out of each other. :)

by montgomery gator

Get her to do one or more of the above, so you can get the favorable settlement. Don't want her to get the stuff.

My (now-ex) wife started out fine, but a couple of years into the marriage, she started smoking crack, writing bad checks, and committed identity theft against me. She also disappeared for days at a time, and ended shacking up with a guy. The settlement was definately in my favor.

So you can see where I am coming from.

by jkaras

here here I agree with you. here are some things to add that burn me. Of course there is more but these were the first couple that entered my angry mind.
11. begging/ spare change
Nothing annoys me more than someone begging me or seeing someone who is missing limbs hassle me or give me a bad look when I don?t give them my hard earned money during my lunch.
12. Whatca reading?
I hate being in the breakroom during lunch reading a book and someone chiming in that question. They usually are not interested in knowing, they just want to talk when you don?t.
13. fake people
Be honest, youre not fooling anyone. Be polite, but don?t pretend that you suddenly like someone because they can do something for you.
14. rubber neckers
The highest crime against humanity. I hate being stuck in traffic because someone needs water cooler material. Somebody got into a fender bender, big deal it happens al the freaking time. Mostly the cars have a scratch and not anything serious.
15. slow people in the fastlane
These tend to be new car owners believing that this is the ?prestige lane or envy lane?. The major offenders tend to also be suv drivers concerned with gas milage. You bought it, suck it up.
16. office equality
I am not talking about racism, I am talking about the 5 year old envy or high school mentality. Oh look he has something new, when do I get that? Od you have a business need for it? No, but why should he have something that I cant? Yeah why him?(other office worker chiming in) soon enough there is a frenzy mimicking a coup.

by montgomery gator

1. People who drive slow in the passing lane and do not move over for faster drivers. Even worse when the vehicle is very large and you can't see around it.

2. People using cell phones while driving, letting themselves be distracted.

3. Putting on makeup while driving.

4. Minivans full of kids going to soccer practice, and the "soccer mom" driving while distracted by the little barbarians.

5. Poorly timed traffic lights. Make it through one traffic light, and the next turns red before you can get through the next intersection.

6. People who drive either pulled all the way up or leaning so far back that you can barely see the back of their heads, and they are looking out through the space between dashboard and the top of the steering wheel.

7. "Tricked out" and "Pimped" vehicles with one or more of the following:
A. Huge fin on the back.
B. Spinning rims
C. Metallic paint color, or bright outrageous colors like purple or pink or bright green.
D. Loud speakers with a very strong deep bass that you can feel in your chest
E. Fender or door a different color than the rest of the car.
F. Jacked up with huge mud tires.
G. Huge roll bars and spot lights (usually in conjunction with item F).
H. Gratuitous advertisement of some product that the driver uses on his car on the rear window (usually in conjunction with items F or G).
I. A number of some NASCAR driver (usually in conjunction with (F, G, or H).

8. Poorly maintaned vehicles that should have been scrapped long ago with one or more of the following:
A. Visible smelly smoke.
B. Rear end, side, or front smashed in or damaged in some way.
C. One or more window cracked and taped up or missing and replaced with plastic.
D. Fender, door, or hood replaced with another of a different color and not repainted to match.
E. Color of car can best be described as a mixture of rust, chipped paint, and bondo gray.

by itgirli

1) Religion.

I don't care what you are. I know what I am. Stay out of my business. This is not something that's up for debate, this is each person's private acceptance and whatever a person accepts is right for them.

2) Intelligent Design.

I believe that aliens put us here. Just look at the facts. There is evidence all over Egypt, Peru, China...

3) Abortion

I believe a woman has a right to choose.....whether or not to have sex. If she makes the choice to have sex, she needs to be prepared for any consequences. Abortion should not be an easy out. It should only be used in cases of rape, incest, or if the mother's life is in jeopardy.

4) Drugs

herbal, not chemical

5) Same sex marriage

same thing as religion.

6) Divorce

Best thing ever invented. You know why divorce is so expensive? Because it's worth it.

7) Iraq/George Bush etc etc...

I think GB senior should have taken care of this the first time. The other day I was listening to "Wait, Wait, don't tell me" and the comment was made that Iraq is just one "tastes great, less filling" argument away from civil war. Should we be there? not my decision. Should we withdrawal? I would like to say "no, we need to clean up what we started" but i really think that whether we leave now or later, it's still going to result in a lot of blood shed.

8) Sexism

Maybe one day we will all be treated like equals, but right now it is still a man's world and I don't really care.

9) Racism

take away the skin and we are all the same. I don't think we shoudl judge someone on how tan their culture is.

10) Smoking in public places.

Is this in relation to number 4? I really don't care where people smoke. If some place allows smoking inside and you don't like it, don't go there.

by jdclyde

although the answers were a tad tamer than I am used to out of you? Feeling well today?

Racism vs culturism.

It is wrong to judge based on the colo(u)r of someones skin.

Is it wrong to judge based on the way people choose to live their lives? I don't think so.

by itgirli

I've been in a more composed mood lately. weird things have been going on. I'm trying to keep a very distant view of things. Nothing is ever what it seems.

by jardinier

on:

2) Alien origins. There is more evidence for that than there is for evolution. If humans had been designed "intelligently," we would have found better things to do with our time than repeatedly killing each other off in wars.

3) Abortion. My views exactly.

8) Sexism. Men and women are different physiologically and psychologically. There should be equal respect, but not identical roles.

9) Racism.

10) If you don't like it, don't go there.

And a few of my own:

1) Unsolicited advice -- especially from people who know nothing about me.

2) Being told I am wrong when I am know I am right -- I am not talking about opinions here, but events -- being told: "Such-and-such happened" when I know jolly well that it didn't.

3) Gross stupidity as in trying to have a conversation with someone who is incapable of rational thought.

by Member 25348569

4x4 jeeps used for school runs
Phone call menus, "press 12 to hear the other 11 options again". "We value your call, please hold"
Celebrities, Celebrity magazines, and more importantly, the new breed of non-celebrity such as Big Brother contestants and girls who sleep with footballers
Mobile ringtones
The Royal Family
Smoking
Religion
McDonalds (I HATE Big Macs)
Having your mobile phone ring when you're sitting on the toilet
Noisy neighbours
Nitro-keg bitter
People that spit in the street
"Child on board" stickers
Cats
Christian fish logos on cars
Speed cameras
Golf
People on your side in an argument who can't argue properly
People on your side in an argument who can argue, but who are dickheads
People who boast I never understood [X] at school, who still don't
Smelly people on the Tube
Chewing gum
Dog crap
ALL Reality TV
Shampoo and cosmetics commercials that use invented 'scientific' jargon
Bleeped-out swear-words on television
Muzak
Windows - all versions
Pigeons and especially the people who feed them
Fundamentalism (of any kind)
Pseudo-science
Astrologers and other soothsaying charlatans
People whose hi-fi systems are more valuable than their music collections
People whose cars are more valuable than their music collections
Tea from vending machines
People who use apostrophe's to denote plural's
Housing estates named after the flora destroyed to build them
Cyclists who ride on the pavement
Anyone who talks about IQ as if it actually means anything
Birmingham (Ours, that is, as I know sod-all about yours)
People who judge historical figures against modern moral standards
Pre-sliced cheese
People who can't tell the difference between margarine and butter
Grown men with ponytails
Bald men with ponytails (doubly so!)
The new BBC1 TV "fillers" with the silly dancers. Especially those "Asian" pratts!
Young pop-stars who issue cover versions of classic songs
Collagen lips (Lesley Ash - you used to be gorgeous)
Thin people who say, "I need to lose weight" - Shut up, you bastards!
White rappers. Well, any (c)rap music
Paper clips that think they can write letters better than me
Hate lists

by jamesrl

I'm with you on alot of those.

Speed cameras - we actually did away with photo radar - I witnessed lots of near accidents when people hit the brakes too hard when seeing a van on the side of the road. Speed doesn't kill,its the sudden stop at the end that gets ya.

I just came back from Birmingham Alabama, I liked the people, didn't see much of the city but it seemed green and pleasant.

I HATE COVERS by stupid young bands of classic songs that I cherish. Darned few of them are an improvement, or even an alterative take.

Muzak is audio wallpaper and not the nice wallpaper but the cheap cover up your mistakes kind....

Have you read "Eats, shoots and leaves"?

James

by tonythetiger

Remakes of classic films, and films that are gross misrepresentations of the books they claim to be based upon.

by Member 25348569

Alas, pedant that I am, I searched it for punctuation and other grammatical errors. And I found some! :D

Following on from this thread, I brought up the subject of "Room 101" up with some friends in the pub last night and before I knew it, the whole pub was involved. (Room 101 is a BBC programme where a guest tries to convince the host to consign to Room 101 anything that he or she hates).

It got pretty heated as people argued backwards and forwards - with me as "host" - but I got a few consensus ones that aren't on my first list. Be warned, some are [b]very[/b] English but, if you give a damn, Google is your friend:

Leggings on fat birds
Carol Vorderman
Sudoku because I'm crap at it
House and garage music
Jade Goody - do you know the fat brainless bimbo is worth milions?
Thongs
David Beckam and that effing string bean missus
People wearing smart jackets and scruffy jeans
Middle lane morons
Sharon Osbourne
Background music in programmes
People who wear sunglasses when it is not sunny
People who wear sunglasses inside
Yappy little dogs
Howard Brown, the Halifax guy - Unanimous!
People who ring up from India on Sunday morning trying to sell me a telephone
Anything by Andrew Lloyd Webber
People farting on the escalator
The expression 'twentyfour seven'
Uri Geller
Australians in London
Penguins. Strange one this but it was the suggestion of Mick the doorman from the pub next door. Mick is a motorway bridge support in a Tux so if Mick says "Penguins" then penguins go in!

by jdclyde

did all that fit on the top of your pointy little head? :D

Do you have smell-0-vision over there? How do you know if someone on TV is smelly or not?

How about the annoying guy in the office that thinks he is funny?

People with a clean desk really annoy me.....

by maecuff

I'll add a few.

People who pull out in front of me then drive much slower than I was driving. I have a pet name for those people, they are the piece of sh*t mother f*cking a$$sholes.

People who jingle their keys or change in their pockets.

People who are perky in the morning. I want to drink coffee, check my email, generally screw around for 5 - 10 minutes, THEN I will talk to you.

People who marinate in their aftershave or perfume.

Women who won't wear makeup because they want to be loved 'for who they are' Whatever. We look better with makeup. I spend money I should be saving for my retirement on makeup.

Women who wear black eyeliner on their inner lids. It looked retarded in the 80?s. It didn?t improve over time.

Condescending hair dressers. Unless you?re giving $200.00 hair cuts, I make a lot more money than you. Don?t look down your nose at me, unless you?d rather be smug than get a tip.

Women who can work ALL day long and not have a single, shiny hair out of place by days end. Where the hell do these women come from? The Planet of The Flight Attendants? The June Cleaver School of House Cleaning? It?s not natural.

People who yell at their two year old for acting like a two year old. Grow the f*ck up. THE PARENTS are the grown ups. The kids get to act their age.

Even worse, parents who spank them. And don?t go acting all indignant if you spank your TODDLER and think it?s okay. It?s not okay. You suck.

by jkaras

I have a few disagreements.
Smoking
the only problem I have with them is disposing of their butts. Pollute your own body not the environment, find a trash recepticle.
People that spit in the street?
I'm a spitter, it isnt littering, and I'm not hitting the volume that pro baseball players do. I dont sray the public, though some of them need a good wash.
Smelly people on the Tube?
ok you lost me there. Bad acting?
Pre-sliced cheese?
I like mine sliced like my bread. The only time I slice the cheese is when I eat something I shouldnt have and revel in the smell. lol Other people slicing the cheese not cool.
Golf?
Yeah I'll admit it is an elitiest sport but I started liking it after playing it. Before I hated it before actually trying it.
The other stuff is so true and quite clever.

by jdclyde

much more enjoyable when played with friends that aren't serious about their scores AND you are sharing some Jagger bombs!

Just like fishing, it is better with beer!

by jellimonsta

The 'tube' is the London subway system.

Hence. Neil's distaste toward persons with an unpleasant aroma being in his vicinity in this enclosed space.

by jdclyde

If he meant the subway, why didn't he SAY the subway?

Bloody Twit!

Guess that is a "no" on the smell-o-vision? :D

I am a firm believer of discrimination against people that don't bathe!

You can't help the color of your skin, and only have limited say over the shape of your body, but you have COMPLETE control over if you wash your nasty self or not.

This must be the equivalent of going into a Walmart? :0

by maxwell edison

Well, most of it anyway. I love golf.

By the way, my music collection is more valuable than my "hi-fi" systems AND my car, both of them (one is a truck), all put together! And I couldn't even load it all my truck at one time!

by jamesrl

Your right to personal choice ends where it impacts my safety and my rights. I once took a course on the "Philosophy of Economic History" and even the great capitalists were not in favour of unbridled capitalism at the expense of others. I'd suggest that if I and others enjoy clean air, the onus is on the polluter (smoker) not to pollute where I want to be.

James

by jdclyde

does your wanting to be somewhere trump how I should be allowed to run a bar?

If I OWN this bar, how does your wanting to go there mean I can't allow others that want to go there do as they wish when that wish is the usage of a legal product?

The only way this should be legal to do the ban, is if you outlaw smokes completely. Until then you should have no say over what happens in privately owned businesses. government owned is a different case thought.

I disagree. Nothing new, huh? :D

by pete1978

a bar exists to provide service to people who are patrons, not owners, of the bar. Laws exist to protect those patrons from stupid bar owners who put profit over public safety.

Using your same logic -- the "it's my bar, I'll do what I want" logic -- the bar you own should be free to serve food that is years old and is tainted with poisons and the health department should have nothing to say about it. After all, it is your bar!

The reason bar owners (and others) DON'T get to set the rules/laws for what happens in their establishments is that too often, they put profit over public safety.

by jdclyde

used to be looked poorly upon. This was not really a bad thing.

If you get divorce, then it shows you can't make a commitment OR you make poor choices in life.

Mine was poor choices, hers was commitment.

Divorce is too acceptable as an easy out, so it isn't as big of a deal to get married anymore. This used to be a big deal to get married because people really EXPECTED to do as they promised and spend the rest of their lives together. Now it is almost expected that it won't last.

The standard has been lowered. It is the lowering of standards that is the problem, not marriage. People should make better choices in this person they are committing a lifetime to.

People that just find themselves "not content" are also part of the problem. Watch less TV and spend more time with your mate and work on what it is that you need in life. Too many people don't let the other know what they need "because if they loved me, they would know". What a stupid reason for a marrage to split.

by jellimonsta

In conversing with you in the past, in your divorce thread, and many others; I know you get it. I believe you did not take take the vows lightly, or the divorce. You should know that I have no judgment on your situation. The Bible itself states infidelity as an acceptable reason for divorce.

People should not get married expecting another incomplete, broken human to complete them. People that use the 'falling out of love' reason for grounds for a divorce are just copping out. I do not expect 2 people who really dislike each other to 'suck it up and stay married for 50 years'. I expect them to not get married.

If you marry someone, there should be a reason for it. If you cannot see that reason any more, you should reflect inward before analyzing and criticizing your mate (speaking hypothetically, not directed at you).

Marriage (like life itself) it a journey not a destination. There are going to be twists and turns, and occasional bumps in the road. IMHO.

by ciderick

People who put IMHO or In my humble opinion at the bottom of things - People who write that very rarely have a humble opinion.

Jellimonsta, you strike me as being an intelligent person so this isn't really a flame at you - I will let you off just this once. :)

by jdclyde

I have had a lot of people tell me I was stupid/crazy for not leaving after the initial affair she had. She said it was over and I believed her because I loved her and wanted to believe her.

I still thought that even with that bump in the road, we would be together forever. oh, the fool I.

Yes, there are a lot of people that end up divorced not by their choice. In my case it was by her choice to become obsessed with a married man and that tore use apart.

The justice of it all, is he still hasn't "come back to her".

by shellbot

my dilema about 14 years ago..
pregnant at age 15, pretty much out on my own, family wanted nothing to do with me, my boyfriend who was older than me wanted to get married. So we did, i didn't know what else to do or where to turn. It was all ok for a couple years, but once i started "growing" and matureing, we had NOTHING in common. he was happy to try and exploit the welfare system, i wanted to get out and see the world, learn things and be a productive member of society.
Once the child started school i started working part time, it was only then i realised how much he controlled my life. He did not like me working, i talked to other humans and came home with "stupid ideas".
At age 23 i had enough and left him. He did not beat me, do drugs, drink, or cheat on me. In fact, he was almost obsessed with me. But i could not spend one more minute with him as i felt nothing for him and i decided it was high time to start over and try and make a decent life for my child.
As it was, I made my own bed, but couldn't lie in it any more.
So I would classify that as "falling out of love" ?

by maecuff

Who wants to live a loveless existance? My first husband cheated many times, so there is a good excuse. My second husband? Well, he informed me one day that he thought he was a better human than me because I grew up poor and because I was raised Catholic. So, yes. I'd say I fell out of love real quick.

by ciderick

Heres some more I forgot: -

Inspirational Posters. Nuff said

People who put pithy little quotes at the bottom of their emails - It doesn't make you look clever, just boring...

Leet Hackers (or l33t h3xx0r5)- You people bug the sh*te out of me. When I am enjoying a civilised game on my PC/games console over t'internet with friends I really don't appreciate some 12 year old coming into our game and flaming us with incorrect spelling using numbers instead of letters. And furthermore, I have been into computers since the good old Spectrum ZX81 so therefore I am not a newbie (n00b for all you nappy wearers out there). Go feck off & ply your prepubescant trade elsewhere. Bastards...

Walking fashion billboards - I am so sorry, but the fact that you are wearing a Sean Coombes hat does not impress me & by the way, it's written on the hat itself in letters bigger than me so why leave the little bit of cardboard on? If you want to be a billboard for someone else go do it elsewhere.

Nipples in America - We all have them people (men too). When I open a tabloid newspaper back in Blighty it's the first thing you see. Why is it such a big issue over here in the US? A nipple causes a public outcry yet you can turn on the TV at any time of the day & see people getting shot or beaten.

Reality TV - Why? What's the point? If I want to watch reality I go out into the street.

Boston - No reason really, it just annoys me.

Smug people - Isn't there something about them that makes you want to beat them into soggy piles of blood & snot?

Celebrities who do wrong & get away with it because of who they are - Drink driving, child molestation, murder - No problem, I was in a couple of movies/released some records etc etc.

People who shout in the street at 2 in the morning.

Pigeons & Seagulls - Rats with wings.

Save the cutsie animal campaigns - Save all of them, even the ugly ones.

People who write really long responses on Tech Republic - Umm... errr... That'll be me then... Thanks for letting me vent & I really enjoy reading what people put up in here (Maxwell & Jardinier, you're letting me down here - I want to see what bugs you too).

by jdclyde

because it would be a flat out lie! :D

Humble isn't a descriptor used on me often. Gracious maybe, thoughtful and considerate even.

(I won't bother listing all the BAD descriptors......)

by ciderick

People who think the English are the bloody foreigners - We don't care who invented the object - We Invented The Language! Bloody Americans...

by jdclyde

you were to know this was an intentional poke directly at Neil, and not at the English? :D

It's all good! B-)

Go have some tea. You can even put some of that "bloody" MILK in it!!! :^0

[i](now that one is SURE to wake the beast!)

by ciderick

I think that's the reason why I don't like Boston - they threw all of our tea into the sea & since then you've never been able to get a decent cuppa in America.

Oh yes, here's another one - Snapple. Tea is served hot with milk - cold tea is disgusting & made worse by the fact that there's no milk in it. You people are weird... :)

by maxwell edison

I hate it when.....

..... people build an entire argument based on a false premise.

..... people make the same argument, even though their false premise has been discredited.

..... people make-up a "fact" to support their argument.

..... people make the same argument, even though their made-up "fact" is exposed.

..... people base an argument on emotion rather than reason.

..... people put politics ahead of principle.

..... unprincipled, partisan people accuse me of putting politics ahead of principle.

..... people can't explain what their principles are.

..... people say, "In other words, what you are saying is.....".

..... people don't take responsibility for their own lives.

..... people make excuses for other people who don't take responsibility for their own lives.

..... government takes a dollar from the person who earned it, only to give it to a person who did not.

..... people make excuses for government that takes a dollar from the person who earned it, only to give it to a person who did not.

..... people suggest what government is "supposed to do", with total disregard to what government is "designed to do".

..... people rely on and repeat silly platitudes.

..... people answer a question with a question.

..... stupid people try to sound intelligent.

..... liars call other people liars.

..... George Clooney opens his mouth.

..... Michael Moore opens his mouth.

..... Al Franken opens his mouth.

..... Barbra Streisand opens her mouth.

..... people throw trash out of their car window (unless it's one of the above).

..... people turn right on a red light, and I have to either move over into the other lane to make room for them or smash into their car.

..... I don't choose to smash into their car.

by onbliss

1)Do not check in their source code in an ***available*** source control system. All the code resides on their workstation...

2)Check in source code without testing, causing the entire build to break...

3)Always seem to have a fast solution to a bug, but then do not test their solution thoroughly. Rest of the team spends eons fixing bugs related to the solution.

by mickster269

That wait until AFTER thier bill has been totaled, to pull out their checkbooks and begin to write thier checks.

And to top it off, they usually have to enter it into the check register, and then do the math to see what thier current total is.

by maecuff

who, after finishing at the drive-thru at the bank, continue sitting there, while I'm waiting, performing some voodoo ritual, making phone calls, planning hostile takeovers..whatever. Just put your car in gear and GET OUT OF MY WAY!!!!

by montgomery gator

Why buy groceries with a check? Don't these people know about paper money or credit/debit cards?

I use checks only for paying bills by mail, and even those are less frequent, since many bills can be paid online nowadays.

by mickster269

They will still wait until the clerk announces thier total.

Then, and only then will they start to locate thier wallet. (If the individual is female with a purse, this could take a while).

Invariably, they also will pay by exact change, searching every nook and cranny of thier being and possessions for that $.98 of thier $19.98 tab, as opposed to breaking out a $20.

by jellimonsta

I personally write that as I do consider my opinion humble (as I do of any other individual). At the end of the day, it is an opinion.

by m_a_r_k

Wierd things is an understatement! LOL If that was the best rant you could come up with--you being the rant mistress that you are--then I won't be surprised if it snows in Texas in July. Let's see if my laughing emoticon is back yet... :^O

by jamesrl

I bought it knowing that it was not the book(haven't read any Cussler in years). I bought it knowing it wasn't Oscar material. What I thought it might be is an adventure my 12 year old boy would enjoy, and voila, it was bang on.

James

by x-marcap

I am not talking Pizza, but it is almost a buddy picture of Road Picture quality...

Don't get me wrong, the Road pictures were CAMP, low brow humor, mediocre writing and laced with sidebars,cutaways, breaking the third wall etc. but these pictures were carried by the personalities of the stars, in particular Hope & Crosby...

McConaughey may do another one, but I suspect that it isn't this week... My kid's 21,20,9,7 watch it almost weekly... It made my daughter read the book. the deleted scenes really make it a better movie...

by sleepin'dawg

1: People who assume they have a right to persist in annoying me with their silly assed opinions after I have indicated, to them, that I am completely indifferent to their beliefs, problems and situations.

2: People who assume that shear volume and constant repitition will make their arguments more convincing to me.

3: Silly assed bald men who wear pony tails. When I see a pony tail, I automatically assume that what is under it, is a horse's ass. I am invariably correct in that assumption.

4: Women who complain of sore feet but persist in wearing the highest possible of high heels. It was your choice to wear them; now shut up about it.

5: Relatives who are more than a 15 minute drive away, phoning at 3AM to tell me some relative who I haven't seen in 15 years has died. He/she is dead; they'll still be dead at 9AM. They aren't going anywhere and there is damn little I can do about it at 3AM. I will be more sympathetic at 9AM after I've had a night's sleep and my second cup of coffee but I still won't be able to alter the basic fact that old Uncle Whosis or Auntie Phlo has croaked. Old people have a habit of doing that; in fact all of us will, eventually. Calling an undertaker would be more useful, than calling me. However, if the dearly departed has seen fit to bequeath me all their worldly possesions, then I might be a tad more sympathetic.

6: People who assume that bad planning on their part should automatically constitute an emrgency on my part.

7: People who assume that I will be thrilled to hold their new born infants. This is definitely a non starter for me. I won't touch any rug rat until it has at least been paper trained or better yet, house broken. I wasn't wild about handling my own kids, even less wild about handling my grand child, so why should I want to pick up some damn, crapping, puking, little stranger who has poorer toilet habits than a 10 week old puppy.

8: People who thrust a red faced, howling, puking infant in my face and insist, "Isn't he/she just the cutest thing???" No he/she is not!!! It's face is all lopsided and red; it's making more noise than it should be capable of making, considering its size and it stinks of puke, piss and poop and it looks as if it is about to go off all over again. Refer to #7 above.

9: People who threaten me with bodily harm. Take this as gospel; I will believe you and will react accordingly, especially if you are foolhardy enough to step on my property to threaten me. Your continued state of existence and well being, is of no consequence to me but does create the minor problem of how to dispose of your body. Under threats of bodily harm, I am sometimes given to fits of random violence which are of absolutely no redeeming social value, whatsoever.

10: People who assume I am joking about #1 - #9. It leads me to assume you are (a)masochistic, (b) have strange affinities for pain and suffering and (c)like living on the edge. Messing with me is the equivalent of messing with your ability to breathe.

[i]#11 edited in.[/i]
11: Take it as given that most of the items on everybody else's lists are going to brass me off just as much as they brass them off. I usually suggest preemptive retaliation as an effective remedy in these instances.

Axiom I: I do not get angry. I do get even.
Axiom II: All debts will be repaid with interest.
Axiom III: For any questions, refer to axioms I and II.

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

by shellbot

i agreed with everything you said up untill now..
iced tea my number one refreshing beverage in the world
all hail the iced tea!!

by jdclyde

because you were just a kid, and kids have no idea what love is.

Kids have infatuation, and from there you just took the only option you had on the table is what it sounded like. That is the same reason kids can't get a tattoo. They are not prepared to make a life long decision.

Good for you to want more out of life for you and your kid. Having a kid to take care of really makes it hard to lift yourself up but you didn't chose the path of least resistance.

The question about if you "fell out of love" would be, do you honestly think you would have married this person if you wouldn't have been pregnant? Doubt it.

I have known other people that don't like the idea of their mate working or going to school. they lose that control over what they do and who they do it with.

My ex was not happy when I went back to school because she was taking classes too. I should have "waited till she was done". didn't have issues with babysitters, didn't have classes together or even on the same night as I would wait for her schedule and then plan my classes on different nights so someone would be home with the boys. Another advantage was grants. We made too much to get pell grants until we were BOTH going, then we both became eligable for pells, so it saved us both money by going at the same time.

I took a year off for the divorce, but am going in tomorrow to get signed back up. got three semesters to go for my BA in networking.

by jardinier

As a Christian you should know that St Paul cited lust as the ONLY acceptable reason to get married:

KJV Version:
1 Corinthians 7:8-9 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

RSV Version:
To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do.
But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion.

by rob mekel

Isn't this more to get life-support as they lived in a time that being a widow meant that condemd widows to welfare AND as there was no welfare in those days had nothing?

And what about the widowers and the never married ones? They should all marry for lust???

I don't think so!

Rob

by jardinier

It was his statement, not mine.

And I deliberately gave two translations just to make it quite clear what he meant.

by jellimonsta

[q]For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to take a wife for himself in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like heathen who do not know God.
First Letter of St. Paul to the Thessalonians 4:3-5[/q]

by jardinier

It is NOT my stance and nowhere did I suggest that it was. St Paul made a clear statement. In this same chapter St Paul recommends celibacy as the preferred state for both unmarried men and virgins.

And not only this, but he also recommends that both men and women who are divorced or widowed should preferably not remarry.

Jelli found a verse which contradicts it. So what else is new? The Word of God contains contradictions? Heaven forbid! ]:)

It is my understanding that this advice was given in the context that Paul believed the end times and the return of Christ were imminent, or at least that it was not a good time to marry because of persecution of members of this new religion.

by rob mekel

At the age of 15, y're just about starting to discover your own self, your own sexuality, the opposite sex.
Would call it, the marriage, an act out of lust, getting to know what sex is like.

With very little to no support from the ones(your family) that should support, stand by, you. I can imagine that from there on it seemed the best way to go, to get married, but you were by far too young to make such a commitment. (not saying that it couldn?t workout fine but chances are slim)
With age of 23 you were more mature and realized what had happened more clearly and could see that what happened (marriage) was not a good thing to do.
So divorce was inevitable, as marrying the guy didn?t happen for the right reason. It seems to me that your ex married you to support you and your child, it was the descent thing to do. However nice of him to do so he could have offered you support without getting married, but that would have brought him into conflict with welfare, so it was a selfish act of him to do so.

Still I don?t see your divorce as an act of ?falling out of love? more as eye shells falling off, correcting what went wrong by marrying that guy and seeing him as a selfish person who wants to abuse the welfare system.
In fact I would call it an ?act of falling out of lust? with a selfish guy.
And good for you that you did divorce and develop yourself. I salute you as it takes a lot of courage to do so.

Rob

by montgomery gator

Your description of him being controlling and manipulative is a form of spousal abuse. You were right to get out, especially if there was little or no chance of him changing, and they rarely do. My ex-wife was very manipulative and abusive mentally, not physically.

by onbliss

yeah, whatever was the reason to switch from milk to cream powder. Back in the olden days, I guess they might have switched to cream and in the modern days it is these powders.

But can never fathom iced tea or cold coffee (or one of those thousand variations) :-))))) To me it is equivalent of switching from a cold fruit juice to a hot fruit juice :-))))

by shellbot

make some homemade apple juice right..i'm sure there are loads of recipie's online

then heat it up..
now pour in a good measure of vodka..and then a wee bit more..

(i've heard spiced rum is good too)

then drink up..

by jellimonsta

Infidelity aside, your second husband's issues may have been enlightened with counseling. I still would not say you 'fell out of love', but rather, I would say you made a decision not to love him due to the hurt he inflicted.

Please do not think I am judging, or condemning you for this, I am merely stating my opinion that love is mostly choice, not mostly ?oohey-gooey, butterflies in the tummy? emotion.

by ciderick

(pause for breath) Mwah-hah-hahahaaaaaaaaahahahahaah - Classics!

Neil, you're a star.

by montgomery gator

I agree on that one. Don't they know that the elevator (or lift as you might call it) is the proper place for that activity? :-)

by jellimonsta

I thought it was in a well heated small truck cab, so you had that 'dutch oven' effect going on? :D

by Member 25348569

This was one of the ones from the pub last night. One of the guys confessed to deliberately farting on an "up" escalator so that other commuters were carried into the cloud. It was him we chucked into Room 101.

I must admit to a sneaking suspicion that I might try it, though. Some of the escalators have a lift of nearly a hundred foot so the victims will never knowwhat hit them!

by maecuff

It's not butterflies in the stomach, you make a choice to love. However, I would never subject myself to a life with someone who honestly felt superior to me.

by jellimonsta

Please do not think I look down my nose at you due to your divorce. The issues may have been issues that could have been worked through. However, it sounds like it was your ex who needed to work through them. If he was unwilling to do so, you need to preserve your own life, and mental health before his.
In my initial Email, I said that I do not think anyone should suck it up and stay married through 50 years of hell, I suggested those couples should work on their issues and get back to why they 'loved' each other, and got married in the first place.

by jdclyde

of who has the right to tell who what.

We can't tell someone not to kill their unborn baby, but we can tell them they can't have a smoke (which is a legal product).

Patrons that chose to smoke or not smoke can also chose to go the a bar that does nor doesn't allow the patrons to smoke.

If you don't like smoke, no one is going to MAKE you go into a bar that allows the use of a legal product. Don't go in.

Don't I hear the same thing from the people that think there should be no-holds-barred for TV and radio programs? "just turn it off"? Just don't go in.

You do not have a RIGHT to tell someone how to run their business, you do have a right to NOT GO IN.

Land of the free?

by jellimonsta

It's just that people who have a problem with religion really tick me off!! :p
Actually, I was not trying to force anything down anyones throat, I was just informing Jules that I did not have the same stance as him on marriage and lust.

by ciderick

Not a problem Jellymonsta - it's a lighthearted discussion.

(Just wait till i post a serious one - LOL) ;)

by jdclyde

There was a time back in the 80's that I liked to go to the arcade. (didn't have a TV, so no game consoles to go on a tv either).

Some of the games can take a long time once you get good. So to get on a game, you would walk up next to someone playing the game you wanted, drop a few and then walk away.......

lots of vegies before going to the arcade! :D

I recently told my boys about this, and had them both in tears. Especially when I told them the time I had some beef jerkey and did it. (they KNOW what beef jerkey does to me!)

by jdclyde

LOVE to get mulled apple cider on a cold morning!

Every October I take the boys to the pumpkin farm and they have fresh made doughnuts and the mulled cider. mmmmmmmm!

Yes, dropping some RUM in can be good too but they don't have rum at the farm.....

Anyone ever put kahluah in their hot coco? :D

I like tea, but CAN'T do iced tea. The frozen coffee drinks are good, as well as if you go to "Arbys" and get their jamocha shake!

by oz_media

Two HUGE pet peeves of mine, I have even considered writing the local rag or posting signs for morons around Vancouver bus loops.

1) People who see 20 people standing at a bus stop, at a skytrain station (but service is every 1/2 hour at most) they walk up to the sign pole and check the schedule. Then they stand right at the pole, cutting in front of EVERYONE and are first on the bus.

My thought; with THAT many people there, and 1/2 hour service, how long do you think you'll have to wait?

If if said the next bus was in an hour, what are you going to do? Fly instead? Why check the schedule, it will come when it comes and you will have to wait until it does. My favorite is to just say "3 hours" when someone is trying to read the schedule. Most don't speak a word of English so it's just the English speaking minority that get a giggle out of it.

2) People who walk [b]into[/b] lineups. 20+ people lined up in a row as the bus pulls up, one person just walks up to the front of the line and, within two or three 'lined up' people, one will stop and let the person on.

"Uh, excuse me, I know it might be a bit odd or confusing but, in Canada, we stand one behind the other like this and then get on in the same order we got to the stop."

The things I do to do my part in reducing pollution! Speaking of which, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAVID SUZUKI!!! He's 70 on March 24th!!

by jardinier

is to divide the human race into groups of people who hate each other and try and kill each other.

Didn't you know that? B-)

by rob mekel

And y're right not making it your statement.

You just did give me the idea that you would subscribe the statement of St Paul as you say: "As a Christian you should know? giving me the idea that you appealed to yourself (and maybe others) as being Christians who should agree upon St Paul's statement. My mistake

Would be interesting to know what he would have stated about the non-widows with burning love or who can not exercise self-control being aflame with passion, now would it. ;)

Rob