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Just wanted to give you all a heads up as to what we're rolling out this week.

1. Top 100 members list
Based on the new Site Activity Meter, we have created a list of the Top 100 members over the past 30 days. If the member has a Profile page, you will be able to click through and learn more about them. In the second phase of this page, we will add the Site Activity Meter to each member so that you can get a better idea of the rankings.

2. Top 100 status on Member Signature
If you are in the Top 100 members list, your ranking will be displayed underneath your activity meter (#56 of Top 100). Clicking the "Top 100" link will take you to the full Top 100 list mentioned above.

3. Top 5 per topic
We will also display the Top 5 most-active members per Discussion Center and Technical Q&A topic. We hope this helps recognize members in each of their areas of expertise. For example, you may not be the most active member overall; however, you can still be the most-active in a topic like "Network Administration."

These enhancements will roll out late Wednesday, so please let us know what you think of them and how we can improve them.

Thanks,
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by house

Pretty sad eh? I'm actually getting excited over this stuff. I'm such a dork. LOL.

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I don't mean to be a jerk, but I'd just like to represent the other end of the spectrum. This will promote "quantity" over "quality". I believe that this was an issue discussed earlier. I'd also like to mention that in my opinion, this is more of a novelty than a promotional move.

Perhaps a fair trial is the best method. I am interested to see how many people catch on to the rating method and the abuse patterns that may arise because of it; hopefully there will be none.

The "best of" list will be a lot of fun in my book. I am anxiously awaiting the results. :)

Chris

by smorty71

I understand your point about quantity and quality. And I agree that the current meter is more about quantity of activity; however, the activities that are factored in are the ones we consider quality activities.

The thinking behind the meter is that it is just one of many criteria that members and readers can use to qualify someone.

Sure, someone could try to post a bunch of junk to boost their meter; however, those tactics will be apparent by the content (quality) of their posts. And because the signature only displays with a member's posts, it would be easy to spot someone who is trying to pad their score.

We are planning on rolling out a lot of other things (after the first of the year) that will help members display the quality of their activity. And when combined with some of the quantitative things like the meter, they should provide a better understanding of each member's skills and interaction.

by oz_media

As with anything in life, people will go to extremes to abuse the system.

I was actually discussing screwing with the new ranking meter for fun before the View All Open Questions link was available. Then I was given the backdoor link and the fun was dead.

I look forward to seeing what you guys have come up with, at least you are working proactively to improve and make changes now.

I still think the time frames are a tad short, even taking into account that you don't want to discourage people from going for the top. When you GET to the top, you have to do it all again next month or you will lose 'ranking', where's the motivation in that?

What about people who are actually the best contributors in all areas (certainly not suggesting myself here) that simply don't have as much time as they used to, even though they post less fresuently, they also may post some of the best help but they will not be rated fairly because some Yahoo.com has been on TR 24/7 offering nothing but garbage all over the site?

I think people should be encouraged to support TR and the community for at least 6 months or a year before they have the ability to knock out the top performers.

Then the community gets filled with genuine people who actually want to build a great resource and help others, as it sits now it is seems to be simply a posting game.

by smorty71

Just to clarify, the meter isn't calculated monthly. It is calculated daily and looks at the past 30 days. So it is really a rolling meter rather than one based on calendar months.

In addition, we are going to be adding more and more variables so that no one activity will propel someone to the top.

by oz_media

Sorry my post did imply a 30 day reset yet I figured it would have to be a rolling scale. But still, the most active and helpful people could lose thier ratings if away temprarily or busy one month, when they return, their answers in Q&A may me ignored due to a low rating compared to someone who knows nothing but has been highly active for the last month or so.

by hal 9000

Will promote those who have inflated egos to go crazy to get into the top 100 and the higher up the better but over all I think it would be a good idea as there are enough real Peers here to contribute and most will quickly pick up on those who are all for show.

Col

by oz_media

Who else would, right? :D

I have a MAJOR problem with the top 100 list. There are MANY people who do not have an active (clickable) alias in order to view their profile. Now I KNOW some of these uys REALLY deserve to be where they are but et the alias active or you can't play.

I don't care if they want to acept peer mail, although it SHOULD be expected of top rated participants, but at least have it so you can click anyone's name and at least see their profile.

by apotheon

WOOHOO!!! Top FIVE, baby!

Ahem. Pardon me while I do a dance. This is funny. I rather suspected there would be more of you higher up on that scale than me.

by house

Sorry. :) I agree with apotheon. I didn't even think that I would be in the top 100. The fact that I am so high up on the meter disturbs me.

Chris

by smorty71

Oz:
Part of the next phase of community stuff is a new profile page. Unlike the current page, which can be turned off, the new profile page will be visible to everyone.

For legal reasons, we will have to show your alias unless you choose to use your real name.

However, you will still be able to find out more about the member than you do now.

Our hope is that the new features we add will make users want to show their profile off.

by oz_media

My main point was that I would like to see other discussions and Q&A's that the poster has partisipated in. I can't do this from a blank alias without digging through the peer directory.

I don't care if people use names or aliases, or even say the correct country they live in, it is irrelevant to me. I would just be interested in seeing their site activity.

by bfilmfan

I have the largest issue of ALL with the list!

I should NOT be listed higher than you, ReWrite, Sgt_shultz, TheChas, maxwell edison, Bucky Kaufman, DC Guy and literally tons of others who have certainly contributed massive amounts of technical solutions, thoughtful commentary and valuable insight than I over the years.

And I welcome Peer Email. It sure is better than the offers to enlarge my penis and keep it enlarged with online Viagra, while I read a book about impressing babes in bars, and then seeing the best porn sites, all financed with my new home equity loan.

Happy Holidays, my peers! May each of us give such brilliant advice that we can earn huge advances on the books we will sell on the net and then live on islands as despots with loads of pretty people to keep us distracted.

Yah, yah I hear the snickering there in the back. Stop that or I will make ya answer all my daily spam!

by hal 9000

As we have already had a Spam Discussion removed from TR for mentioning this garbage. But I can not help but wonder if it was breast enlargement naturally would the discussion have been removed. Needless to say while a valid technical topic we did get carried away on a tangent and it obviously adversely impacted or upset someone.

Col :D

by oz_media

Though many would say I am, you guys have been going at it like rabbits on viagra, based on the 30 day scale, it should show you in the top.

My point isn't position but the LACK of TOP 100 members that do not offer contact info or even a profile link. If the CONTACT button is what decides whether your alias is a LINK or not, it needs to be changed. I don't care if people don't want contact outside of the forums, but you should be able to view the profile by clicking their alias.

As for you guys, well yes the 30 day scale is working for you, but people like Maxwell have been here longer than me, have worked countless hours helping people and aquired immense amounts of points. He is shown as joining AFTER me and is ranked evenly with me.

Sure it works for encouraging new users but I think it will kill off former die-hard TR peers.

No I am not suggesting Max is gonna leave at all, I simply used him as an example of many.

by house

It is true that I am a new member, with this alias, and that I've only recently decided to take a proactive approach in the TR community. I agree with what you are saying regarding the seasoned veterans at TR.

I can almost guarantee that I am more active right now than I will be in a few months. I've had a lot of down-time recently because of my current job and as the opportunities start presenting themselves again on the career front, I will only be able to contribute while I am sitting at home. Currently, I can sit on help desk and plug away on TR during my whole shift. I walk people through standard troubleshooting routines while going through my discussions and Q&A contributions.

I don't think that anyone should feel insulted about the top 100. If they are insulted, then perhaps they are elitists. That is their character flaw and it is beyond our control.

I haven't crossed paths recently with anyone who is not on that list - if I have... then I don't recall.

Chris

by hal 9000

I come in at number 13 which is way too high for my meager participation here on TR. Granted the meter has just started so I hope to see the regulars right up there where they belong I didn't think I'd even make the top 100 let alone be rated so high.

There are a lot of other Peers here who should have rated far higher than they appear to have managed to do.

Col :D

by apotheon

I agree that if this is the only measure, it's not exactly fair to long-time contributors. I'm sure there are many that should be higher up than I am in a general measure of contribution to this site, but aren't rated higher.

I think that perhaps the way to get the best of both worlds is to have a site activity meter, exactly like what we have now, AND an overall contribution measure. The overall measurement should be an absolute measure, where the more you contribute the more points you get, and they never go away. It wouldn't be a rolling metric like the 30-day meter is, but rather a measure of all contributory activity on the site from the day you joined. That, then, would both prompt people to get involved in the short run and recognize the contributions of "old-timers".

Thems is mah two cents.

by oz_media

I think they toyed with the idea once and ended up with the existing meter.

A LIFETIME meter would be a little more accurate on a long term basis though. As it sits now, it's just a pretty toy that really doesn't say nor mean much at all. Therefore , IMO, it is pretty pointless and doesn't serve the purpose it was intended to.

by willcomp

What is feasibility of a separate list of Top XX all time point leaders?

Doing so would help alleviate the "what have you done for us lately" of 30 day rolling scores that seem too close to current corporate culture.

Dalton

by house

For the amount of "quality" feedback that you leave, you should be in the top three.

For back and forth communication within a thread, you should be in the top three.

Your posts are usually twice the size of mine, with real world examples and stories that are related to the topic. I noticed this initially in the "What role do tapes play" thread a while back when I began participating in discussions. It went from data backup, to power backup, to horror stories, and then to patient data. Phew. How many people could cover that many topics in so few posts? ...and with positive conversation to boot!

I was wondering where you went, and then I was drafted into TRI to find you kicking around in here.

Chris

by hal 9000

Some silly person put my name forward but in all honestly lately I've been very busy and just have not had the time to relax on TR.

I was actually thinking about the last few weeks as I've only had time to check my personal and business e-mails at best once a day and sometimes even less. Things have just been so busy that I haven't had the time and even though people like Max will tell you I do not sleep I do at least try to get a few hours per day.

Col

by smorty71

Before we get a full-scale riot going on, let me just say that the meter and the Top 100 are just one of many features we are planning that will recognize our members.

We most definitely are going to have ways of recognizing members in a more qualitative way. We are also going to have ways to recognize the long-time members.

The meter was just the first thing we implemented and the Top 100 listing is just a way to display the results of the meter. It is definitely not the only way we're going to recognize our members. It just happened to be the first one we launched.

And we will also be adding more variables to the meter algorithm so that more types of interaction are counted.

Thanks for everyone's feedback so far, though.

by smorty71

Oz,
I totally agree with you. I think there will be much more interaction between our members once you can learn more about someone from their profile page.

Plus, you'll have a much better sense of who you are interacting with.

sm

by house

I agree. I often check out a member's other Q&A and Discussion contributions. This ability is hampered by the fact that - without a proper profile, the link is not present.

If you want to have a good laugh, look up apotheon's discussions, and then look for a staircase pattern with his name involved. It is most often an argument with another member who is feeding us their input with an ignorant point of view. In any case, it is good for a laugh when you are bored. :p

Chris

by apotheon

I do like to be entertaining, as well as technically accurate. I have found that an interesting side-effect of going after technical inaccuracies in others' posts is that the discussion often quickly becomes amusing due to inaccurate invention being piled on top of inaccurate assumption in desperate attempts to justify earlier statements.

Then again, maybe I'm just a windbag.

by hal 9000

With Friends like that who needs enemies?

Only kidding but I do see where you are coming from and Chris did make an interesting observation.

Col :D

by house

Maybe some of my wording gets lost in translation when people read my posts. It might sound way different in my head than how it is interpreted on screen.

Trust me, when I am reading your posts, it is not you who I am laughing [b]at[/b]! :)

Chris

by maxwell edison

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And I agree with all of the comments posted thus far -- even the ones that didn't agree with each other (huh?).

by house

That is the thing about my replies...

...I always have to represent the other side of the spectrum. Negative and positive comments that are coming from my end are not necessarily how I perceive the issue. If somebody points out a pro, then I respond with a con, and vise versa.

Every single comment here at TRI holds merit. The development team for TR are the ones who need to interpret our hypocrisy, and weigh the good against the bad.

My actual opinion is usually explicitly stated, whereas my other feedback holds a "but then again" style.

by oz_media

You just can't make up your damn mind, now shut up and go sit in the corner until you are called.

Some people's kids! I dunno?!? :p

by hal 9000

When you filled out your Peer Listing did you use your real name?

If so now well all see it instead of the few that you communicate with.

I can just see it now OZ & Maxwell rushing in to change their Member listings. Well it should be interesting anyway.

Cheers Col :D

by oz_media

My peer listing states my alias. If you see a post of my alias on TR, it is a blue link just like yours. When you look at the top 100, SOME of them are links some are not.

I assume this is from having the Peer Contact feature turned on or off, however I think it should just be a link to your Profile, not your bank account and your daughter's chastity belt.

If you click my name it opens my profile which I can make whatever I want it to be.

I am not referring to disclosing real names of addresses.

by house

...relax a little bit and give us your info. We don't need your social security status. Some of us could use your daugh... never mind. :)

Actually, I don't really care either way. If OZ trusts a fellow peer, then he would surely respond accordingly. Whether or not he wants his name, biography, and address posted is really not of my concern. He has made himself available through peer contact, and that is good enough for me.

Chris

by hal 9000

It sounded like they where changing the current listing procedures.

Don't worry it's just me again in "Fairy Land" as I have far too much work and I'm only skimming here when I have the time "That's while the crop of computers in front of me don't demand attention."

Col :D

by oz_media

Before we were allowed basic HTML tagging, the ponly way to emphasise something was to capitalize it. When you read a post, you had no idea how the persona tone actually was and it was too easy to misinterpret something and take it offensively. Now we can [b]bold[/b][i]italicize[/i] and [u]underline[/u] comments so as not to appear to be SHOUTING ALL THE TIME!!!

One that always kills me though is when someone gets offended by a post and comments on the TONE someone is using. What kind of cool computers do these people have? Is text recognition really that good now?

by hal 9000

That their text to speech engines are working.

I can not help but wonder just what the voices sound like though. Maybe they can program their speech engines so that when a particular person replies they get different voices coming out of the speakers. Like Max and OZ sounding like a rabid Adolf and some one else sounding like a sex starved female or whatever they desire.

Col

by oz_media

My answer may have read a little heated but it wasn't. Perhaps you didn't hear my tone of voice properly ! :D

by house

...just don't forget where you are when you are in the open forums.

:)

Chris

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