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by Jay Garmon

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Attention TechRepublic members. The long-awaited site-wide revamp of TechRepublic begins this weekend. On Saturday, Oct. 7 at noon EDT (GMT minus five), the current version of TechRepublic will go dark. A few hours later, the new version of TR will be live.

Here's a preview of what the new site will look like: https://www.techrepublic.com.com/html/tr/preview/updated_TechRepublic.html

During the new version launch, TechRepublic will be offline. We expect this outage will last only a few hours, and that the inconvenience of a TechRepublic-free Saturday will be mitigated by the new improved version we've been working on for all of 2006.

Now, as to the new TechRepublic: We've tested the new TR software in every fashion available to us, but we nonetheless expect that the new TechRepublic will still have a few quirks and unexpected surprises once it's out and about on the wild, wild Web. No part of TechRepublic has been left untouched by this redesign, so over the next few weeks, TechRepublic will be undertaking a shakedown cruise to work out these wrinkles. Your patience before and after this process is greatly appreciated.

If you have any questions or concerns about the site relaunch, please feel free to private message me, or start a discussion in the new Feedback category you'll find on the new site.

Oh, as to what the new TR has in store...

- We finally fixed search. Our new search tech combines full-text and tag search algorithms to ensure that you get the best, most relevant content, regardless of content type or indexing scheme. You ask for Windows hacks, you're gonna get *all* our Windows hacks.

- A complete cosmetic makeover of the site, with a whole new look and feel.

- A streamlined front door. We've reduced the front page of our site to the bare essentials (yes, we still have some ads), ensuring that what's there is worth your while. The same is true for all the sub-doors, including the new Forums door (replacing Tech Q&A and Discussions).

- Introducing our biggest new feature: Techrepublic Recommends. Our most popular recent content, indexed by tag, presented daily. You'll never miss a super-useful article, must-have download, insightful discussion, or eye-popping gallery again.

- Streamlined Tech Q&A. Now called "Questions", the new tech problem-solving system on TechRepublic shares a category structure with Discussions, and has done away with the cumbersome TechPoints system that barred many members from participating. We've simplified the feedback mechanism so that Question-askers can mark a useful response as Helpful, but don't need to accept, reject, or close their thread any longer. Questions will also have the same threaded structure as discussions, to make commenting quicker and easier. You can also now tag Questions.

- Multi-category Discussions. We've cut the discussion categories in half, and will now allow you to place a discussion in multiple categories. If your discussion is about managing a shared Windows/Linux server environment, you can place it Windows, Linux, Hardware, and IT Management. Got a great joke about lax IT security? Place it in Security and Off-Topic. We've also done away with mandatory tagging, because our discussion categories *are* tags. If you pick a category, you've tagged a discussion, And if you place a discussion in the wrong category, you can switch it simply by editing its tags.

- An Article door, allowing you to browse through TR's technical articles quicker and easier than ever before.

- Updates Everywhere. For those of you who employ the TR Workspace Updates feature, there will be a mini-Updates box on almost every page of TechRepublic. Just check the upper-right of the page, beneath your avatar (which will pop up in more places than ever before). Besides Udpates, you'll find an abbreviated Recommends listing and a list of your TR contacts presently on the site.

- New TechRepublic blogs. We've discontinued our old member blogging platform, and replaced it with a new topic-based blog lineup featuring a handpicked selection of TechRepublic staff, contributors, and members. Think of its as TechRepublic's editorial page.

That's just a sampling of what we have in store, and we're not done, either. Expect TechRepublic to continue to make enhancements and improvemenst to the new site on a regular basis. Have a great weekend, and we'll see you on the other side.

142 replies

by tig2

I'm excited to see the new and improved TR!

For those of us that stay logged in- do we need to log out prior to the switch? My computer has a persistant connection and I am rarely off line so let us know! Will cheerfully do whatever...

Congratulations to the team. I know how hard you guys have worked on this. I also know that it will be a success.

Looking forward to toasting the re-launch!

by Jay Garmon

...or rather, you'll get a default outage redirect from our network. If you're actually on a TR page when the site goes dark, you'll find that the links suddenly don't work.

As to you're logged-in state, I don't think the new software will maintain your session, so I'm betting that whenever the new site comes up, you'll have to log in again to post or access personal materials (like Workspace). Also, some items might move around under you--we've tweaked our URL structure in a few key places--so don't be surprised if the exact page you were on doesn't come back. Fair warning: The Miscellaneous forum (all forums, actually) will go away, as we've revised our category structure. You'll be looking for the new Off-Topic category.

My advice: Late Saturday afternoon, check out https://www.techrepublic.com and just navigate to your favorite spot from there.

by kiltie

started 45 mins before scheduled change

Oh no.... what am I going to do in the next few hours, without TR?

My Fiancee left for Califonia in Aug, so I guess......

(get your mind out of the gutter)

*** wink ***

by dmambo

How the heck am I going to feel special if I'm not separated from the Hoi Polloi?

Ah well, I'm sure the launch will go smoothly, and from the tour, I like the new design.

The important thing is that I still get my weekly Geek Trivia fix!

by Jay Garmon

It may be reruns after I'm fired or dead, but no way TR gives up those bizarrely stable pageviews.

by hal 9000

In the New Dr Who Series Season 2 Episode 1 after the good Doctor regenerates and defeats the enemy in his [b]Jim Jams[/b] [i] thats Pommie for pyjamas[/i] he makes a reference to Aurthur Dent who was a Really Great Guy and how he should take Rose to meet him.

Something that you will not find in Winkipedia. :^0

Col ]:)

by nicknielsen

[i]Your patience before and after this process is greatly appreciated. [/i]

Doctors have patience and none of us is a doctor. ;\

by dmambo

I have patience.

D'ya ever see the television commercial for a cough sryup where the guy says "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on T.V."? I'm tellin' ya, THAT'S real credibility there.

by deepsand

Will we be still be able to [b]read[/b] existing TRI discussions.

Having access to an archive of such would be useful.

by Jay Garmon

As I recall from the engineering spec, the TRI threads will be ported to to the new Feedback category. I'll check on that, though, as there was some question early on about how sensitive the content in that forum was. We've used it so sparsely over the last six months that I don't think we have anything to worry about.

by hal 9000

I have a list of all your secret confessions that you thought would never be made public stored away to use as required now that TRI is [b]No Longer.[/b] :p

Now what's that list worth not to be used this year? :^0

See you after the upgrade to Windows Vista Pre Beta Release that is running the new TR Site. :)

I'm sure that you can work your way around the time limits imposed on that crappy piece of code. :D

I'm assuming that's why the much requested [b]Spool Checker and Grimmer Choker don't work.[/b] :)

Col ]:)

by vanessaj

for all TRers...will there be a spellchecker? I didn't see it on the list...is that a bad sign?

Oh, and thank you for all of your hard work on the site up until now, as well. It has been appreciated and makes the promise of an even better site that much more anticipated. (It's a good thing you're doing over there.) Thanks.

One more thing...thanks for posting the sci-fi lit...I printed them and will read them this weekend. Can't wait. Thanks for sharing them.

Also, would you happen to know the quote, "We do not truly see light...we only see slower things lit by it..."? I am hoping that you might know. I've been searching for the full quote on that one recently (read it in High School) and can only find it referred to, without the rest of the quote. Just thought I would ask, if you know off the top of your head. And if you're too busy, I totally understand, feel free to just blow it off. No pressure. Thanks.

by Jay Garmon

That's on the list, but it wasn't a "launch priority" so to speak.

As to the quote, I believe that's a C.S. Lewis line from "Out of the SIlent Planet"
http://www.lewissociety.org/quotes.php

"We do not truly see light, we only see slower things lit by it, so that for us light is on the edge?the last thing we know before things become too swift for us."

by deepsand

It is clear that the pertinent mathematics do not preclude the possibility of faster than light travel, but only preclude us from seeing any object traveling at such a speed. But, does that also mean that there is no other way that we can sense the existence of such an object?

Assuming that the mass becomes imaginary, as opposed to the time vector becoming negative, how would such an object interact with our observable universe?

Given our present lack of understanding of gravity, might that force act as a mediator between the real masses that are visible and the imaginary ones which are not? Could so-called "dark" matter be, in fact, matter traveling faster than light?

by alangeek

And it's probably too late for anyone to see it, but EDT is GMT-4, not -5. Not that anyone will really care. Especially as this will probably be dumped into the bit bucket before this time tomorrow.

by alangeek

I mistakenly confused GMT with UTC. What I meant to say was that EDT is UTC-4, but still GMT-5. I failed to realize that GMT is also subject to Daylight Saving Time. I stand corrected.

Now we just have to wait for next year when we (that is, US, as opposed to all of us) will be out of sync with everyone else for even longer than we (US) have been as we (US) will be changing when DST happens for us (US). Gee, wasn't that a brilliant idea? Let's be even more contrarian than we have been in the past! That is sure to get us some respect in the world!

BTW, we don't need no steenkeeng spiel chucker!

by dawgit

We'll see, you do know that TRs are a tough bunch of critics, don't you?
No, it should be ok, Local Pizza guys are going to make a killing this weekend aren't they? Tip 'em good, you never know when you might need again. -d

by dawgit

Black Holes when traveling away from us, ond oh-shits when comming at us. enjoy your week-end.-d

by deepsand

For me, however, this will be a working weekend; no time even for college football, which sucks big time.

by oz_media

I went to post the following comment in the feedback portion of your preview, but I got a Page Cannot be Found. :D

Well done TR. I've seen too blue, I've seen overly redundant, I've seen unavigatable pages, I've seen quite a few changes as you have grown.

This preview looks fantastic! Well done!
The resolution of Tech Q&A into 'Questions' is an excellent idea, what a great way to finally separate the two.

Two thumbs up, so far, I am looking forward to the new TR!

All in all, a fantastic, LOOKING site from what I cansee.

by gadgetgirl

to wish you guys all the best, it ain't an easy job.

Thanks for all the work - I'm sure we all appreciate it (but a spoolcheeker would have earned you zillions of brownie points!!! :p )

Being chronologically challenged, as you well know, and running on BST not GMT, I [i] think [/i] that makes it that mytime you're going sometime today and will be back sometime tomorrow..... :D

As I said - good luck, all, looking forward to the new site!

:x

GG

by hal 9000

I can now sit back and know that new comers to TR will not be Peer Mailing me with their questions because it saves them the trouble of posting a question on the Q & A forum. That should cut back the messages that I've been getting after a 12 hour break that my in box is over 90% used. :)

I'm still looking and having a play at the moment so I'll get on with it. :^0

OH by the way I wasn't responsible for breaking it [b]Honest![/b] I'm getting in before something goes wrong. :p

Col ]:)

by hal 9000

My very first post to the new site and I get a [b]Page Not Found Error[/b] and the same thing posted twice. All I can say is the following and I'm glad I got it in first. :D

I wasn't responsible for breaking it [b]Honest![/b] :p

Col ]:)

by kiltie

I got "an unxxxxxxpectedddd error" getting here, but I found another way in

What a stupid error message, if you don't mind me saying.

Lazy programming imho

j/k nice look, ty

by deepsand

Yes, your avatar spins.

No, the meter shows no change; it just quivers a bit above the bottom peg. I'm currently on FF; closing/re-opening has no effect.

Am suing the manufacturer. (Don't worry, I'm not holding the distributor liable.)

by nicknielsen

Unit is provided

...AS IS AND WITH ALL FAULTS, HEREBY DISCLAIMING ALL OTHER WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS, EITHER EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ANY (IF ANY) IMPLIED WARRANTIES, DUTIES OR CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, OF ACCURACY OR COMPLETENESS OR RESPONSES, OF RESULTS, OF WORKMANLIKE EFFORT...

You're stuck with it, cause mine's like that too! :D

Edit: Yours won't move? Mine is pegged negative! :( But my fun meter's pegged. :^0 http://tinyurl.com/n9jnl

by deepsand

Now I'm really pissed!

Perhaps NB should change handle to MostlyBusted, or something similar.

by hal 9000

The first one is that my original posting resulted in a [b]Page Not Found Error[/b] and a double posting seems that the old method of preventing that from happening has broken.

It would be nice if when you read a posting it changed colour if only so you can track what you've been reading and what you've been skipping. While the New listing after the post is nice sometimes in the bigger posts it's not always easy to see.

The [b]My Discussions[/b] tag no longer lists the discussions that you have participated in but each posting so you miss a lot of the discussions and now Q & A that you have participated in. Not as good as it used to be that one defiantly.

The new Q & A section is hard to navigate and even harder to return to the sub heading of the link that you where posting an answer to after posting an answer. That needs fixing and Yes I know that this is [b]Work in Progress[/b] but they are some things that need looking into. I looked for ages to even find the new Q & A section and even then it had the Friday Yuk listed in it. :(

Over all a great redesign but with a few improvements to add to make it the [b]Best Web Site on the Entire Internet.[/b] :)

Of course a [b][i]Spool Checker and Crammer Chocker[/b][/i] would make it perfect so who do I have to blackmail Jay to get the changes made? :^0

Cheers guys and keep up the good work.

Col ]:)

by hal 9000

In the Q & A Section you now have to read all the answers before you post anything which is a lot slower than it was previously. I personally don't like posting the same answer as others have posted and now you have to look through all the posts before you decide if you answer a question.

It's easy if you are the first but somewhat harder to see what others have suggested without taking up quite a lot of time.

I think that this will most likely adversely impact on people being willing to answer questions or even if they are willing they will lack the time in a lot of cases.

I don't know if there is anything that is possible to do about this but it's something that's a real nuisance.

Col

by tony hopkinson

My Discussions (Once I found it!)
Discussions are repeating but it does seem to be better at picking the ones I've been posting to.
Some indicator of activity would be nice though
I assume you haven't rolled out blogs yet as I keep getting a failure to find page.

The lay out is very snazzy but takes up a lot of vertical real estate given only 70% of it is related to what I just clicked on.

Visually very pleasing though, a few tweaks here and there and you should consider your efforts very rewarded.

by deepsand

My e-mail re. a refund bounced!

Are you sure you got the moani correct? Perhaps it should be whatmakesyouthinkwegiveashit.org.

by kiltie

How do you use this site now?

It looks pretty, but I cannot find my way around, is there any help available?

by tig2

I haven't found a FAQ yet but I have been trying to document- at least at a high level- what the site does and where. Of course, I am going at this by trial and error so it is anyone's guess as to how complete it will be.

Monday morning will bring us no end of WTF posts, I just know it.

Is there something specific that you aren't able to get to?

by techexec2

WTF = "Where's The Forum?", right? :^0

Here's some support from the Supportive Flaming Bastard(TM):

If you're preparing a FAQ (very nice of you :x ), you might also want to note some of the "high tech" in the new site that I've noticed. This will please most but turn off some others ( [i]~you know who~[/i] ). Use this, or not, as you see fit.

A few cool technology points:

- The new site requires JavaScript. If someone has security concerns about enabling JavaScript in their browser, they can use the Firefox browser and the NOSCRIPT extension to only "turn on" Javascript just for the "com.com" domain (TechRepublic's domain).

- The new site uses AJAX, one of the hot new web design methodologies. The very fast tab changes are courtesy of AJAX (Asynchronous Javascript And XML). Notice that changing the tabs results in an update of the content in the tab without a page reload!

- Using AJAX reduces the number of full page reloads required. This makes the site faster and more responsive, especially for people on slow Internet connections.

-----The Supportive Flaming Bastard(TM)

by kiltie

Just some of my favourite threads, which I have contributed to, and like to keep an eye on.

All disappeared.

sigh

The site navigation is very difficult to use, but, as I said, I like the display, sure is pretty.

So my main point is how do we use this new site? We were kinda thrown in the deep end here, tyty for compiling a FAQ, sure is needed.

by hal 9000

Have you broken [b]TR AGAIN?[/b] :^0

I told you not to put Gin into your water bottles when you are on training walks as it will not keep you hydrated but by the looks of things here you didn't listen to me did you? At least I hope you didn't choke on the olive in the bottom of the drink bottle. :)

Col ]:)
[i]Edited[/i] I had to use WTH because I don't know what the F stands for in WTF. [b]Honest[/b] :x

by deepsand

No doubt your e-mail client trapped the advise of such, along with the ordering info., as spam. Unfortunately some e-mail ASPs take it upon themselves to simply discard such without your seeing it.

At a discounted price of $64.68, you can order a copy of mine, by peer messaging me for intructions on how to make payment.

by charliespencer

If you order before midnight, you can have the manual in exchange for 10,000 old Techrepublic member points!

Of course, that's before midnight Eastern Daylight Time (Z-4).

by hal 9000

The first thing that you do is program up the GPS as a Hand Held Unit with the proper Map for your country. I believe that the one for Europe should work perfectly in you're case. :p

Then once you have the thing looking as if it works mount the Touch Screen hand held unit holder on the front screen clip it in and then run the 12 VDC power line to it. :0

Just a word of warning here though only trust it to give you general directions don't allow the voice to guide you as the first thing that will happen is you'll throw it out the window at speed because the female voice is nagging you all the time and worse still telling you to turn at the wrong time. Mine keeps insisting that I turn into houses or brick retaining walls instead of the street a few meters away. :(

Col ]:)

by hal 9000

I've dumped the installed GPS in all my Merces because they are horrendously expensive and far more importantly they cost so much to replace when they are stolen from the cars. Do you know just how hard it is to get a replacement Dashboard? Or how expensive it is to replace the glass that gets broken when they break in to steal the fitted units?

I had to wait 6 months for a replacement Dash Board the last time and even then they broke the front screen when they where removing it to get the smashed Dashboard out so they could fit a new one.

Currently I'm using a cheap Miao as they are accurate to within a few hundred yards and under 1K to replace which is a lot cheaper than the units built into the dashes. I don't lock the cars up any more either as even the side window costs more than the GPS that they are trying to steal. I had to get rid of the Rag Top as some clown cut it up to get into the car. That was a really expensive repair for a 2.5K installed GPS. The top came to several times that amount and the dash was not cheap either. It's bad enough when you see adult women telling their little children to attempt to steal the Bonnet Emblem on you but when you walk out to find a wreck where your perfectly restored car used to be it's painful. :_|

Col

by tig2

I'm not really doing much more than noting how I am getting about and putting all the information that I can find into a doc. Incidentally, thanks for the write up above.

As folks are asking questions and others answering, I am copying all the information into a resource doc. From there I will post it someplace conspicuous and can then direct folks to it. Some folks are having a really hard time with navigating. I expect Monday to be a zoo and am already planning to email aspirin to the entire staff at TR.

Can you believe that we have already been spammed in the new digs? Some people! Sheesh!

by hal 9000

Apparently I've reached my limit of 42 and every time that I attempt to open a new discussion my computer shuts down and will not boot up till I give up on the Idea. :(

Apparently those [b]Pan Dimensional Beings that Appear as White Mice[/b] to us are investigating just what the 42 number means with me and TR so all I can do now is answer posts already started. :_|

I hate the MS White Mice. X-(

Col ]:)
[i]Edit[/i] They also have the date & time wrong as they are appearing the day before I actually post them and 7 hours latter. Like now it's the 9 October now and 12.52 not the 8 October and 19.52. :|

by techexec2

Col: I think the date has always been West coast USA (apparently where the servers are located). It's just more apparent now that the time is also being shown. The dates and time are Pacific Time zone in the USA.

I think it is helpful that the time is now being shown. Perhaps a future enhancement should include a new setting in the profile of each user that specifies the GMT offset to use to display the time.

P.S. It's not TR's fault you Aussies are on the WRONG side of the International Date Line! :^0

by av .

I think the search engine is very effective. I was able to find so much more information than I ever could before, but it was unstructured. Multiple posts were there, but I didn't know what thread they came from.

I searched in forums under my name and it came up with everything I ever posted back to the end of 2003. I'd like to see a more advanced search where you can limit the results by date and other criteria.

I also miss seeing the number of posts for each thread.

I really like the feel of the new site. It has a nice flow. One gripe I have though is the "roll here" button on the IBM ad. Its a cheap gimmick that is just annoying.

Thanks for this site.

AV

by deepsand

A search for, for example, [i]Amish[/i] yields results for "corrected" search terms, which vary by area searched, such as [i]Amiga[/i] or [i]annoyances[/i].

What's up? And, why the automatic "corrections?"

by oz_media

Although the first few seconds here look pretty good, I recommend using bold titles for discussions again. The font is too think for a bright notebook LCD.

Perhaps just add bold text to NEW posts in the discusssion, that would be cool!

by deepsand

Since the meter needle quivers, it would seem that both the meter and ouput amps are probably ok, but the input is responding to random thermal noise alone.

Absent documentation, it's difficult to diagnose the problem, but I suspect that the input transducer is missing or faulty. Is it internal, or am I missing an external sensor?

by techexec2

The problem is that the old "My Discussions" page is gone. The old "My Discussions" page used to show a complete list of ALL those you subscribed to, and then a partial list of those you recently posted to.

The closest thing is:

On the "Forums" page, if you click the "My Discussions" link (above your name+avatar box on the right side), it takes you directly to your "My Workspace" page where you can view recent activity. Once there, you can see recent (but not all) discussions subscribed-to by clicking on the "Subscribed to" link near the top of the right column.

Suggestion: The old "My Discussions" page should return.

by hal 9000

That lot think that the world revolves around them and can not understand why things like this happen. :p

I actually enjoy making Post that appear yesterday as I feel all Superior to you lot on the [b]Wrong Side of the IDL[/b] :0

But more importantly who's in Vegas as I need to help a friend get some information by the close of business Monday 9 October is that Today yet? Any takers?

Col ]:)

by tig2

What info do you need from Vegas? I am close enough and have family there, maybe I can help.

Let me know.

by hal 9000

One of whom is booked in for Cataract Surgery on 31 January 2007 and then need conformation by today so that they can get the Airline Tickets and save about 1.5K.

Apparently the Quacks surgery isn't responding to Voice Mail or answering their phones seems simpler just to let them ring out and then forget them I suppose. :D

I just need someone to harass them into sending an E-Mail conformation so that they can organise the Tickets.

Anyway as at least one person here at TR has said that I hate everything American I can not help myself here. I just wish that I was given a bit more notice as I've only got hit with this one about 1.5 hours ago after the people concerned have been ringing up since 5th of last month and have yet to get conformation. :p

The things that I do for people that I'm supposed to hate. :^0

Col

by techexec2

In all seriousness, there are some in the U.S. who think "outside the borders" when building an international website. I consider displaying times in the local time zone for an international website a top priority. All someone in New York City has to do is give 5 seconds to think about how odd it would be to them if the times shown were those in Japan. The howls would be heard all the way over IN Japan!

So, I'm with you, mate! I like Australians and Australia a lot.

P.S. I [b]KNEW[/b] that IDL comment would get you. Gotcha! :^0

by tig2

And have your friend check hers. It took the local number to get a human but got the confirmation.

I only hope it was in time!

by kiltie

How about the PTB start a new thread, where members post faults discovered, [i]rather[/i] than opinions, likes, dislikes?

ie keep it factual, that way TR staff can quickly zero in on the bugs, that members are finding?

by hal 9000

Now unfortunately you are going to have to put up with the gratitude of the people involved.

Much more importantly don't believe a single word that they tell you about me they are so wrong as neither of them know me at all so they think that I'm actually nice. :^0

Thanks Muchly for all your efforts though I owe you for that one Tig I just hope that you where not put out by doing me the favour.

Col

by techexec2

AlanGeek: You were right the first time. Doh! :^0

GMT, UTC, and Zulu time are all exactly the same and never go on summer time.

U.S. Eastern Standard Time (EST) is GMT-5 = UTC-5 = Zulu-5.
U.S. Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) is GMT-4 = UTC-4 = Zulu-4.

UK Standard Time (called "GMT") is GMT+0 = UTC+0 = Zulu+0.
UK Summer Time (BST, British Summer Time) is GMT+1 = UTC+1 = Zulu+1.

Western Europe Time (WET) is GMT+0 = UTC+0 = Zulu+0.
Western Europe Summer Time (WEST) is GMT+1 = UTC+1 = Zulu+1.
- Portugal (same as UK but with different name)

Central Europe Time (CET) is GMT+1 = UTC+1 = Zulu+1.
Central Europe Summer Time (CEST) is GMT+2 = UTC+2 = Zulu+2.
- France, Germany, Spain, et al.

REFERENCES

Time zones in North America
http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/na/

Time zones in Europe
http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/

Military Time Zones (Zulu, etc)
http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/military/

by tig2

I give a major rip but my metre says no.

I need better service too! A warranty might help.

Edit because I am having a REALLY crappy evening and I want to edit

by deepsand

I buy older, unassuming used cars with the bare minimum of installed options; factory installed AM/FM radio only.

I rarely wash it and never wax it; the windows get cleaned as infrequently as possible.

The interior is very nearly always cluttered with items of no value, so that the floor is covered, both front and back; items of value are on the floor, under the rubble.

While they are kept in good mechanical order, the engine compartment is left as dirty as possible.

It's now been about 30 years since the time anyone even tried to steal anything from my cars.

It's not pretty, but it sure seems to work!