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    Why are all the gurus Asian?

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    by jeffhunta ·

    Is it just me or are all the gurus Asian?

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    • #3116764

      which gurus?

      by jamesrl ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      Did you mean religious Gurus, technical gurus – what?

      Its probably just you.

      James

      • #3116756

        A religious site

        by jeffhunta ·

        In reply to which gurus?

        this is not. So I guess I am after techie gurus.

        • #3116752

          miscellaneous is wide open

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to A religious site

          I know lots of gurus who are non asian. Depends on who you consider a guru.

          Is Bill Gates a guru – once upon a time he was a real hard core tech- not sure if you would define him as one now.

          The Apple gang – well Steve Jobs and most of the gang were white. Guy Kawasaki may have asian name and genetics, but he sure is American (hi Guy!). I interviewed him about 17 years ago.

          Guess I am still unsure of your premise. Are you saying people of a certain race, or country of origin, or both?

          James

        • #3116731

          Good Lord…

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to miscellaneous is wide open

          He’s trying to start a controversial thread.

        • #3116573

          My preference

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Good Lord…

          is to provide him with all the rope he needs….

          James

    • #3116718

      It’s you

      by tony hopkinson ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      In my experience anyone who describes themself as a guru is a waste of atmosphere anyway.

    • #3116681

      Yeah, it is just you

      by jdclyde ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      Maybe you just need to get out of your moms basement more often?

      While you haven’t stated where you live, in the US you will find the Asian “guru” to be in the minority. That is why even though many companies have outsourced tech support to india, if you get past them to level two support you get someone in the US that actually knows what they are talking about.

    • #3116679

      Hello Rasism My Old Friend…

      by jmgarvin ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      You’ve Reared Your Head Again…

    • #3116676

      Gurus

      by m_a_r_k ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      [i]”Is it just me or are all the gurus Asian?”[/i]

      Is it just me or are all the world’s idiots in TR?

    • #3116615

      “We got a genuine Indian guru,”

      by charliespencer ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      “He’s teaching us a better way.”

      “Cover of the Rolling Stone”
      Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show

      Hey funta, where do you live, how many gurus do you know, and how many are Asian? Do you have any hard numbers to back up your perceptions? Surely you don’t consider the guys who answer 1-800 numbers as gurus?

      (There’s a “straight line” there; somebody please pick it up.)

    • #3116549

      Because..

      by montgomery gator ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      Gurus are Hindu spiritual leaders in India, and India is part of Asia.

      • #3116307

        Well, true, but…

        by jrod86 ·

        In reply to Because..

        Gurus are also in the martial arts. I knew a Filipino guru, a French Guru, an American Guru. But none of them were Hindu spiritual leaders, they just knew how to put the smack down.

        Why must we generalize and then specify everything as black and white? It’s just not so.

        • #3116284

          But in Martial Arts…

          by montgomery gator ·

          In reply to Well, true, but…

          ..the term for the master is Sensei,not Guru.

          And it is true not everything is black and white. Those classifications don’t work for Asians. 🙂

        • #3114633

          Well now you’re generalizing again…

          by jrod86 ·

          In reply to But in Martial Arts…

          In Japanese martial art, Sensei may be the appropriate term for a teacher, but not a master. Guru in the Filipino martial arts is the equivelant of Sensei in Japan.

        • #3116899

          Sifu in Kung Fu

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Well now you’re generalizing again…

          is the appropriate term.

          James

        • #3137747

          What about

          by kevron ·

          In reply to Sifu in Kung Fu

          the Dalai Lama in Buddhism?

        • #3137708

          Well..

          by jrod86 ·

          In reply to What about

          …I’m pretty sure he’s called the Dalai Lama…

    • #3116452

      Cool!

      by apotheon ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      I’ve been called a “guru”! That must mean I’m Asian, which means I can get preferential treatment by way of affirmative action programs, scholarships, and government grants! You just made my whole life better!

      Of course, of all the tech “gurus” I’ve ever met (numbering in the hundreds — I just hang out with computer geeks a lot), maybe two were of Asian descent, as far as I could tell. Maybe we’re all just Asian on the [b]inside[/b], and we’re pretending to be European-descended whities so we can [b]take over the world[/b]! Yeah, that must be it.

      Maybe you’re somewhere out in left field, and don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

      • #3116441

        Unfortunately, it does not work that way

        by montgomery gator ·

        In reply to Cool!

        Asians get discriminated against in “Affirmative Action” programs just like people of European ancestry. There was a big stink in California not too long ago about people of Asian ancestry losing out to “minorities” with lower scores because of “Affirmative Action” programs.

        I might be able to claim Asian ancestry if I go back far enough. I am part Celt, and the Celts supposedly were from central Asia originally. Graves of people with red hair, plaid clothing, and Celtic style artwork have been found in western China that date back over 2000 years. The desert environment preserved the bodies and cloth.

        • #3116422

          Yes everyone is celtic on St Paddy’s day

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Unfortunately, it does not work that way

          The truth is anyone of us who claim ancestry from any Celtic traditional lands (Ireland, Scotland, Wales, parts of Spain etc) are more likely to be a dogs breakfast of interwoven heritages. Scots and Irish have Celtic, Viking (also red hair), Anglo Saxon, Norman, Pict and potentially a whole lot of other things in their ancestry.

          My National Georgraphic history of the Celts(many years ago) said they were for a time nomadic and many became mercenaries who travelled far for work.

          The Scotti were a tribe from Ireland(Ulster area) who uprooted over time and settled in Scotland, but there was always back and forth between eastern Ireland and the western Scottish isles. Lowland scots generally have lots of intermixing with the various english races.

          My ancesters were uprooted from Scotland during the Clearances, went to Ulster for a time, then came to Canada. As they settled in a predominantly scottish settled area(places names like Campbellford, Burnbrae, Tweed) my father’s family tree is exclusively scottish names.

          As for affirmative action, we don’t have such a thing in Canada. There have been specific hiring quotas, notably in the civil service, but no comprehensive legislative framework. But on the other hand we didn’t have Jim Crow either.

          James

        • #3116276

          I’m mixed, too

          by montgomery gator ·

          In reply to Yes everyone is celtic on St Paddy’s day

          I can claim English, Celtic, Danish, and French ancestry. And the Celtic part is mixed, with Lowland Scots, Cornish, and a wee bit of Irish.

          And of course, the Lowland Scots, Cornish, and Irish are also mixed themselves as you describe. My Lowland Scots ancestors are probably the Scotti you describe, since they are from Southwestern Scotland, from what used to be the ancient kingdom of Dalraida (the Dalrymples).

          I guess I am a Northern European mixed-breed. More English than anything else, but even that is less than 50% of my background.

        • #3116326

          darnit

          by apotheon ·

          In reply to Unfortunately, it does not work that way

          There goes any hope of this guy’s ignorance meaning I get extra bennies.

        • #3116294

          Never knew that

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Unfortunately, it does not work that way

          I have had many shirts ruined by my dessert, not the other way around!

          Do you have any idea how hard it is to get syrup out of a white shirt? Now I have to go get some “Calgon” to get it clean! Ancient Chinese secret, remember? 😉

      • #3116275

        Asian or African

        by dc guy ·

        In reply to Cool!

        All of the Indo-European tribes migrated out from the region that is now Georgia, Azerbaijan, etc. That means if you’re Celtic, Nordic, etc., you’re Asian.

        Of course everyone is really of African origin because all humans are descended from people who migrated out of Africa.

      • #3116909

        ahahaha

        by jck ·

        In reply to Cool!

        Hey Apotheon…make me some shlimp flied lice!!! ]:)

        • #3137843

          correction

          by apotheon ·

          In reply to ahahaha

          It’s “fried rice”, you plick.

        • #3137625

          What do you call?

          by montgomery gator ·

          In reply to correction

          Q. What do you woman with one leg shorter than the other?
          A. Ilene!!

          Q. What do you call a woman from Japan with one leg shorter the other?
          A. Irene!!

          ]:)

    • #3116423

      Y’all

      by maecuff ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      are being played like violins…

      • #3116370

        Y’all

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to Y’all

        turn me on when you talk like that! ]:)

        • #3116368

          My husband

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Y’all

          tells me that when I have a little too much to drink that my ‘caintuck’ comes out..

        • #3116354

          JD

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Y’all

          Perhaps you can explain something to me… is saying that people are being played liked violins anything at all like being a ‘hater’?

        • #3116338

          Very vicious

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to JD

          and heartless of you.

          You make Klan members look like boy scouts!

          Everyone knows that violins are just one step up from bagpipes! (shudder)

          How do you face yourself everyday?

          (your still turning me on!) ]:)

        • #3116324

          That’s how I am..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Very vicious

          Next, I’ll get out my accordian and play a polka, y’all.

        • #3116296

          You wouldn’t!

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to That’s how I am..

          Roll out the barrel!

          We’ll have a barrel of fun!

          Rooolll out the baarrrrellll!

          blah blah blah blahblah blah blah…..

          (you had that one coming!)

        • #3116295

          Yeah..well..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          as long as it isn’t jazz…

        • #3116283

          That

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          wasn’t nice at all! (you still smiling?)

          As for the polka, a huge part of Michigan is of Polish/German decent so there are lots of polkas and lots of beer fests!

          Either way, it doesn’t make this guy any less of an a$$wipe. From the looks of this post, that is how he gets his jollies. Start a flaming post and watch people get worked up into a frenzy.

          It looks like the majority here saw right through him though.

          Keep in mind, this is the same sad sack from the “Why is IT nearly all male?” that questioned with “Maybe women just aren’t smart enough”.

          I know, you haven’t forgotten, but others here might not have placed him or seen him for exactly what he is.

          Not exactly what I concider adding anything to the quality of the TR discussions.

        • #3116277

          Yes..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          hence the whole violin thing. He’s TRYING to get people to bite. Of course, if you do, then you’re being thin skinned and can’t take a joke. It’s like I said elsewhere, don’t take your passive aggressive hostility and try to hide it behind a joke. Have the balls to stand behind what you say.

          Of course I’m still smiling. Although, I do feel a small amount of pity for you and your whole ‘jazz’ fixation. I’m pretty sure there are support groups available.

        • #3116271

          Always funny

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          when it takes a woman to tell a man to have some balls! :^O

          But you have already shown you have more of whatever having balls is supose to mean than he does.

          Maybe this is Lobo’s little brother? Or Sister?

          Kind of funny Oz never jumped on him in the last discussion for being an idiot?

          Oh, thats right, he DID!

          BWAAHAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAAA!

          Dumb people make me laugh……. B-)

        • #3116270

          HEY! HEY! HEY! MAE…

          by surflover ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          Go easy on the Jazz… (but you can beat up on JD all you want)… :^O

        • #3116263

          Surf..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          Sorry about the whole jazz thing. I’m sure that technically it’s all very impressive. Not very listenable, but impressive.

          Okay..and remember, this is coming from someone who still listens to the Sex Pistols, so what the hell do I know?

        • #3116237

          Well Mae, some Jazz is

          by surflover ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          very “listenable” (I like that word BTW, will have to add it to my dictionary :^O)…

          you’re about a decade after me I guess (music trends wise)… I never could make the transition from rock to disco (although earth wind and fire was very talented)… the sex pistol and their genre never caught me either… so during that era, I started listening to Jazz, pop stuff at first, then more traditional… it’s easy for an artist to appreciate (my avocation), but I cant stand the conceptual jazz (I guess you have to be a juliard trained musician to appreciate it… but then again, even as a MOMA trained artist, I could never understand the value of conceptual art either)…

        • #3114731

          Guess I’m not old enough

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          to get into the sex pistols….. :O

          Just like in rock and metal, there is good and bad.

          How can one NOT like at least SOME Miles Davis?

          Listenable, indeed!

        • #3114535

          watch it, bub..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          You aren’t THAT much younger than I am.

        • #3117130

          Ah my dear

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          That is exactly what makes it so funny!

          I will do the same thing to people I grew up with that started having kids MUCH younger than I did. They are now grandparents while my kids are only 13 so I tell them “Sure am glad I’m not old enough to be a grandparent!”

        • #3117107

          Ugh..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          My stepdaughter and her husband are making noises about having a kid. And while technically, I wouldn’t be a grandmother, you know the kid will CALL me grandma. As much as I would love to have a new baby in the family, I can’t get my head around the whole ‘grandma’ thing. How can I be a grandmother?? I am waaay to young for that..

        • #3116943

          Well

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          there is always NANA.

          Just as long as they don’t go with “Granny”, you will be just fine! ;\

          Glad I am YOUNG enough to not have to worry about that for a LONG time! :^O

          told by boys the other day that girls have cooties, but I don’t think they bought it. 🙁

        • #3116821

          No no no..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          No NaNa and NO granny. I’ll have to think up something I can live with.

          I have mixed emotions about the whole cootie thing. I have sons, so yes, girls DO have cooties..however, I AM a girl, so..

          My older son has been learning some really hard lessons from a couple of very pretty girls. He’s had two ‘girlfriends’ that have played him against another boy and in the process really hurt him. I wanted to absolutely rip their hair out..the little hosebags.. It’s hard to watch your kid get his heart broken. And they just have no defense against it when they’re just learning. Will he talk to me about it?? Noooo..I’m just the mother, I certainly don’t know anything. So, I just sit back and watch and hope he doesn’t get too scarred by the experience.

        • #3116817

          Mae, you should butt in (a little)

          by surflover ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          My mother rarely intervened (or even commented) on my fledgling attempts at dating… but a few times she approached me with a lot of wisdom… (having now raised 4 girls of my own (single dad) and successfully got them out and on their feet I realize how wise her advice was)… She didn’t place blame or come off with opinions about my choices in females, just discussed the situations with me from a logical point of view (I’m sure I wasn’t as receptive at the moment as I should have been, but looking back I learned a lot about the dating jungle, and the perspective of girls in general)… some of her pearls of wisdom have served me well to this day :^O…

        • #3137851

          Surf

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          I would LOVE to get more involved. He is very private and it’s like pulling teeth to just get basic information. I certainly would never critize his choice in dates, I might want to bash their vapid little heads in if they mistreat him, but nothing more than that.:)

          He’s 18 now and lives with my mother 3 hours away, so we mostly have phone contact. I drive down at least once a month and he usually gives me a little of his time. It’s so hard to NOT see him everyday, surly curmudgeon that he is..I still love to spend time with him. I look at my 7 year old son now (polar opposite of his brother) and can’t imagine the day that he leaves. The empty nest issue is going to hit me hard…

        • #3137620

          Cooties

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          I am trying to start to talk to my boys about girls, but they aren’t very comfortable with it yet.

          I did make them laugh the other day. I asked if they liked any cute girls in school and they both said no. So I asked if they liked any ugly girls in school. Thing one, through his laughter told me that wasn’t nice.

          I am building up to “the talk”, but I am TRYING to get my foot in the door first so I can talk WITH them instead of AT them.

          I would like for them to know that girls are nothing but trouble! (I don’t think that will fly)

          So I will then take the logical point to warn them that girls are a source of great joy, and the worst, deepest pain they will ever know. Pick carefully to try to get more of the first than the second.

          I will also let them know that just like boys take advantage of girls for sex (and the problem is?), girls do take advantage of boys and can be very manipulitive (as your son is finding out Mae).

          I also want them to know that no matter how bad it hurts today, tomorrow can always be a better day with a better person.

          And of course, you have to be happy with yourself before you can be happy with someone else.

          Would be so much easier if they would just buy the whole cooties thing though…..

        • #3137612

          It’s a tough conversation..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          To be fair.. Boys can be manipulative and hurt girls just as easily as the reverse. It’s usually for different reasons (okay, it’s to get in a girls pants) but the hurt is just as bad.

          I tried to talk to my son about sex years ago and he was horrified. I used it to my advantage. I’d ask him to load the dishwasher and he’d balk. Then, I’d tell him, you can either load the dishwasher, or we can have the ‘sex’ talk. It worked every time. 🙂

        • #3136214

          Yes may, the empty nest is quite a change

          by surflover ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          after a couple decades with a house full of kids, chaos, and everthing else that goes with it, it was quite an adjustment to not having to be somewhere to do something for anyone else…

          But I now have an 18mth grandson, and another due in January, and I see the kids a lot (I’m very fortunate, I get along great with all of my son-in-laws)… so it’s different, but it’s not bad by any stretch 🙂

          …But using the sex talk for leverage over your son??? That’s cruel and unusual punishment :^O

        • #3136190

          Surf..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          Yeah, maybe it WAS a little mean. However, it was nearly IMPOSSIBLE to get that boy to help out around the house. The other thing is, when I was growing up, we didn’t acknowledge, talk about or even remotely refer to sex. I didn’t want my kids to grow up feeling it was a taboo subject.

        • #3136145

          I was just Razzin ya Mae

          by surflover ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          it’s always a hard subject (Imagine me trying it on four daughters) :^O

        • #3136139

          Surf..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          Daughters or not, I’m sure sex IS a hard subject for you. You’re a guy..it pretty much just takes a light breeze.. 🙂

        • #3136124

          DOH ! that one was below the belt

          by surflover ·

          In reply to You wouldn’t!

          :^O 😉

        • #3116344

          More y’alls

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Y’all

          You’re both 2 weeks late and $2 short. We already had a “y’all” discussion about rednecks. If TR can keep their servers running long enough, you can filter through all the old discussions and maybe you’ll find it. Or maybe you won’t. I can’t be absolutely sure. And there is already a discussion going on about absolutivity, too, in case you were wondering.

      • #3116356

        Don’t be a hater.

        by jeffhunta ·

        In reply to Y’all

        Mae, I am beginning to think that you never smile.
        OK. So I really don’t think that all the gurus are Asian. That is a ridiculous statement.
        I was trying to spark some sort of discussion on racial profiling or racism in the work place. A legitimate topic, I think even you would agree to that.
        Sure! I could have phrased it differently, but but where’s the fun in that. Besides I think most people are getting the idea.

        • #3116352

          I smile all the time..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Don’t be a hater.

          In fact, I’m laughing right at this moment.

        • #3116322

          complete the thought

          by apotheon ·

          In reply to Don’t be a hater.

          “[i]Besides I think most people are getting the idea.[/i]”
          That you’re an idiot? I don’t know if you [b]are[/b] an idiot, but that troll of yours was idiotic.

        • #3116301

          That

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to complete the thought

          is what I like about you.

          Right to the point, cut through all the crap.

          “Just the facts ma’am”.

        • #3114470

          thanks

          by apotheon ·

          In reply to That

          I do try.

        • #3114712

          Darn!

          by jdgretz ·

          In reply to complete the thought

          Here I am late to get my reply in – at least somebody was thinking along the same lines as was I. At least he’s good for comic relief.

        • #3137842

          the bright side

          by apotheon ·

          In reply to Darn!

          You still get to agree with me (and it’s in your best interest to agree with me, anyway, since my superpower is Being Right).

      • #3114454

        Violins???

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to Y’all

        Did y’all mean tuh say “fiddle”? Don’ go comin’ ’round heah tawking ’bout yer fancy-schmancy “violin”. Wha’s a matta wich chew, boy?

        • #3114442

          I think you’ve mistaken

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Violins???

          me for someone with a penis. I’ve been called many things, but am not usually mistaken for a boy. 🙂

        • #3116976

          It’s one word

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to I think you’ve mistaken

          “Wha’s a matta wich chew, boy?” is gender non-specific, and all one word like “damn yankee” 🙂

    • #3116272

      As you may have noticed Funta

      by surflover ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      Just about everyone has noted it’s you… Posting an ethnocentric flame bait topic in TR is probably not the least intelligent thing I have ever witnessed, but I have seen some REALLY stupid things in my nearly 1/2 century on this planet…

      *** to all those who’ve read is comments in the other threads and lowered themselves as I did to respond to this… check his profile and note his contacts and who counts him… wanna guess the numbers?

      (and they’re an absolute) :^O

      • #3116266

        You’re right..

        by maecuff ·

        In reply to As you may have noticed Funta

        And with each post, I tell myself, don’t do it…don’t reply. I just can’t help myself. It’s an illness. I think there may be a support group, though. 🙂

        • #3116262

          Heart is in the right place thought

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You’re right..

          His that is, gripped firmly and give a good tug!

          Posting along what an id10t someone is, is very different than byting the bait and getting hooked into a flamebait war with other members.

          This clown has been outted.

        • #3116235

          JD/MAE did you check his contact stats?

          by surflover ·

          In reply to Heart is in the right place thought

          0/0… should tell us something, eh? :^O

        • #3114734

          yeah

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to JD/MAE did you check his contact stats?

          that and looking at “his” posts in the whole two discussions that he took place in doesn’t win any points either.

        • #3114711

          If there isn’t…

          by jdgretz ·

          In reply to You’re right..

          Maybe we can start one…

          Hi I’m jdgretz and I reply to idiot postings…

        • #3114704

          Hi, Gretz

          by ldyosng ·

          In reply to If there isn’t…

          Welcome!

        • #3114530

          A rite of passage

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to If there isn’t…

          To a certain extent, replying to trolls is a rite of passage. It isn’t only newbies that do it, but newbies tend to jump quicker into the frey, and their outrage seems to be higher. Over time you learn.

          I don’t know if any of you are fans of Snopes – http://www.snopes.com. When I started reading alt.folklore.urban in 1993 (yes really, no typo), I fell into the classic trap of biting on well baited hook from snopes. It was a classic tradition to bait Canadians, dispite, or even because of the fact that there was a disproportionate amount of “hats”(long time posters in the inner circle) from Canada. I reacted then much differently than I reacted to Funta. A few “hats” sent me some private email and tried to let me down easy and let me in on the ongoing joke.

          Snopes had no hatred of Canada or Canadians – his wife and some of his best freinds were Canadians. He was making fun in a way of Canadians earnestness and lack of humour about themselves.

          I don’t take Funta’s post in exactly the same spirit -I would suggest its more micheveous than playful. But some of the reactions are natural. If it wasn’t you, it would be someone else.

          James

        • #3116935

          Loved the old newsgroups

          by jdgretz ·

          In reply to A rite of passage

          They were fun – some still are – rec.aviation.homebuilt is still one of my favorites.

          Compuserve used to have some very nice discussions before they were purchased by AOL. Unfortunately most of the better discussions moved to USENET and we lost some of the better discussion tools. Oh well, progress…

      • #3114452

        Easily entertained.

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to As you may have noticed Funta

        It’s been a slow week, and it’s a better diversion than the old “Linux vs. Windows” debate. Besides, I don’t think I’ve posted a straight answer in this thread yet.

      • #3137880

        TumidRepublic

        by jeffhunta ·

        In reply to As you may have noticed Funta

        Today is November 3rd.
        Signed up in September 2005…
        First post was a few days ago…
        No contacts yet…
        Ohhh you got me there. I’m real broken up about that one. Judging by the group so far, I consider my disassociation from this group a positive thing.

        • #3137786

          I’ll second that

          by ldyosng ·

          In reply to TumidRepublic

          Nuf said.

        • #3137680

          Interesting Choice

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to TumidRepublic

          This is a rather unusual choice of topic for a first post. This is primarily a site for technology professionals. Any reason why you went trolling with this topic to make your introduction, instead of a subject with some meat to it? What kind of reaction did you expect to this rather prejudicial question?

        • #3136077

          you’re right

          by jeffhunta ·

          In reply to Interesting Choice

          Maybe I should have tried a topic similar to some of the other more “meaty” topics in Miscellaneous like:

          ?Friday yuk? anyone? anyone??
          ?Everyone Vote to make ITgirl the next queen in IT?
          ?Happy Halloween Yuk!?
          ?Where do you plan on buying “Revenge of the Sith”??
          ?Did bill gates really earn his wealth??
          ?The NEC IT Guy is annoying?
          And the list goes on and on…

          Aren’t most topics here an attempt at trolling? The other thread about the lack of women in IT… wasn’t that really just a troll too?
          I really wasn’t expecting much from this bunch, but the overwhelming number of juvenile resposes to my ?troll amazed me. For a group of so-called technical “professionals”, I really haven’t seen much evidence of professionalism here.

        • #3136071

          Hey!!!

          by montgomery gator ·

          In reply to you’re right

          The NEC IT Guy really is annoying, at least he was at the time!!!

          (And that topic was IT related, more so than a discussion about Hindu spiritual leaders.) 🙂

        • #3136455

          TenHut Y’All!

          by ldyosng ·

          In reply to you’re right

          All right, boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen, geeks and nerds, management and staff. You have heard the word of the Great and Powerful Funta (funta what? funta hit with a stick? funta shoot at with semi-frozen paintballs? funta put epicac in his coffee?). Now SHAPE UP! There will be no more “off topic” time on the TR boards. From now on you will only post Q&A or informational subject matter. All blogs are to have the tone and quality of a Masters’ Level technical thesis….
          Oh – I got it! Funta BA! (_x_)

        • #3136212

          I’m sure you wont

          by surflover ·

          In reply to TumidRepublic

          get many disagreements from the rest of us here.

    • #3116132

      Gurus? I thought they were Dahli Lamas?

      by why me worry? ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      This entire discussion is pointless and will turn into nothing more than a copycat Yahoo Discussion Board full of stupid racist comments and idiotic stereotypical remarks.

    • #3114685

      Same bigot . . .

      by ldyosng ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      different post. Yawn.

      • #3116840

        still wondering…

        by jeffhunta ·

        In reply to Same bigot . . .

        what the hell a “biggot” is?

      • #3136809

        you got a spell checker

        by jeffhunta ·

        In reply to Same bigot . . .

        Congrats!

        • #3137305

          Yo, Funta, you bagged on the wrong woman

          by ldyosng ·

          In reply to you got a spell checker

          Um, you bagged on Mae about her 21 year old kid. Wrong. I’m the one with the 21 year old. Her kid is younger than mine.
          If you’re going to bag on women, please at least remember which one you’re bagging on. Mae does not deserve your rancor over something I said.
          Yes, I did get a spell checker – you! But see, I can be taught. You pointed out a real error on my part and I corrected it.
          You may pick on my age all you wish. I know what I’m worth, and your ire doesn’t lessen me one iota. My children love me, my mate loves me, my coworkers like me, and I like me. That’s all that matters in my book.
          Did it ever occur to you that I am baiting YOU! And you bite the hook every single time!
          Chomp, chomp, chomp, chump!

      • #3136799

        Gee..

        by maecuff ·

        In reply to Same bigot . . .

        I don’t recall bigot being misspelled.

        • #3136604

          must be the

          by jeffhunta ·

          In reply to Gee..

          old age settling in on ya mae…
          The memory starts fading, followed by the your vision. Next thing you know, your 21 year old kid is checking you into the old folks home.

        • #3137304

          Sorry about that, Mae

          by ldyosng ·

          In reply to Gee..

          Looks like monkey-boy has decided to fling a little poo your direction that was meant for me. I just hope he forgets to wash his hands before he sticks his thumb back in his mouth!
          Talk about the memory going – he can’t even keep his insults straight!
          The word “duh” comes to mind.

        • #3137231

          No kidding..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Sorry about that, Mae

          As I said earlier..the only appropriate thing that comes to mind is.. Reverend Jim, more koolaid, please..

        • #3120452

          Make it a double

          by ldyosng ·

          In reply to No kidding..

          The kid looks thirsty!

        • #3120262

          It might TAKE a double

          by surflover ·

          In reply to Make it a double

          Some insects are really HARD to kill :^O

        • #3118943

          Two barrels

          by ldyosng ·

          In reply to It might TAKE a double

          No waiting . . .

    • #3114629

      All Gurus = Asian?

      by jck ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      I think you’re a bit misled, perhaps by the surroundings you have. I’ve worked in IT/programming departments as small as 2 people and as large as 120+. None of them have been overly “Asian”, or even having high Asian content.

      Now I can tell you that even years ago, there was a huge influx of people from India and the Middle East into the database world of IT. They are still today prevalent in that regiment of IT today.

      However, I think a stereotype that drives this misperceptioon is the “Asians are naturally smarter than other ethnicities” belief.

      I think that probably the contributing factor to Asian peoples achieving higher scholastically (and perhaps leading to higher technical achievements) in America is that their cultural standard has not deteriorated with the norm in this country in the past two decades.

      Asian households tend to be more disciplined, children are taught still to respect their elders at a very young age, they are taught they must earn what they get, etc.

      In many other ethnic groups of American society, this premise for life achievement has slipped away in large part due to the need for parents to both work and the children not receiving the full-time guidance and oversight necessary to instill these values in children.

      Most of the Asian families I know who do have both parents working often will have one parent in a job that allows their child to come after school to their workplace, and then they will have their child sit down and begin doing homework until their shift is done. Others I know make the choice to live by simpler means so that one parent can stay home and be with their children as soon as they arrive home.

      I think their seeming smarter or being “all the gurus” is more in part to their cultural upbringing and being taught to be regimented and work harder for what they want, rather than genetic predisposition to having more convolusions on their brain.

      But, I don’t see all gurus being Asian. In fact at my current job, none of the people in the various IT and IS departments that I know of are of any Asian descent (about 30 people).

      • #3117135

        Culture, not genitics

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to All Gurus = Asian?

        People here are being told they don’t NEED to be respectful or work hard.

        They are victoms, and it isn’t their fault and there is little they can do to change this.

        Values, we are also constantly hearing people (like you) about not pushing values on other people.

        too bad people here in America are not held to a higher value standard. The less you expect out of someone, the less you will get.

        The parents that both work so they can afford the big house and multiple cars/toys are committing child neglect.
        The parents that both work to just get by are doing what it takes to get through.

        • #3116965

          Personal observations

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Culture, not genitics

          I come from an area of Ontario with a large proportion of South Asians(as people from India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka group themselves).

          What I see is not based on the whole culture, but the attitudes of some, generally more recent immigrants. Many of these immigrants didn’t come here for a higher quality of life but for educational opportunities for their kids.

          These families push their kids to excel. They do the work. They take advantage of every opportunity for learning (as we all should).

          This attitude doesn’t necessarily pass down to the next generation. By the 3rd generation, the kids behave much like the kids from other cultures.

          So I agree with jd’s premise that it isnt anything to do with genetics, its a cultural thing, and in my area, I see a corelation with recent immigrants. Good on them – they work hard and achieve something.

          James

        • #3116938

          Bad examples

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Personal observations

          are much easier to follow than the good ones.

          When the kids see all the other boys and girls out “having fun”, they decide that is what they should be doing as well.

          Too bad we don’t look at them working hard and say that is what we should be doing.

          Can you believe some people are actually thing that the teachers union is a good thing? They are DIRECTLY responsible for the dismal shape that the US public educational system is so bad.

        • #3116911

          that’s just absurd, jd

          by jck ·

          In reply to Bad examples

          jdclyde,

          Saying the teacher’s union is directly responsible for the downfall of the public education system is like saying that police unions are the reason for crime in America’s cities.

          How do you think the teacher’s union can adversely affect the politics, set the budgets, or make the decisions in America’s public schools??

          Those rules and laws are established by courts, school boards, and the like….not a teacher’s union.

          Teachers are lucky to have a union. Otherwise, they’d probably still be making $15,000 a year.

          If teachers had their way, they’d probably choose to make decent money and get their school supplies paid for first. As it is, teachers often have to buy supplies out of their own pocket for kids to do projects in class because the school boards are too busy paying superintendents and other administrators $100k+ per year for doing practically nothing other than meet and talk.

          I guess you’ll tell me next that the teachers chose low pay and to have to pay for supplies too? That they chose to stop corporal punishment? That they advocated kids bringing guns to school?

          Get real…Dubya and Slick Willie had more to do with the downfall of education in the past 15 years than any teachers’ organization.

          The real cause for schools going to hell are two things:

          a) Political correctness
          b) Lousy parents

          Hand in hand, those two have caused a decline in the standards more than anything…not a bunch of teachers grouping together to try and keep a decent standard of pay and a safe working environment for themselves.

        • #3137631

          And you know absurd, right?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to that’s just absurd, jd

          If you think that Bush or Clinton are responsible for the decline, you really have to get off that moveon.org website and get a friggen life.

          This has been going on for decades. The INTENTIONAL dumbing down of the kids to make a future peasent class to vote Democrats into power through what is known as a “gift society”.

          Schools get funding per child that attends, right? Why does taking TAX dollars that are paid in by parents that don’t want to send their kids to the socalist mill of public education and putting it towards the private school of their choice take anything way from the public? If the child is not attending the public in the first place, they already are not getting that money. this is one of the MANY LIES that the teachers UNION spews forth. They don’t WANT any competition.

          Why were they so up in arms against the “No child left behind” and the fact that the FEDERAL government is spending more now than under any other administration yet again we hear of the continuted LIES of Bush cutting funding and underfunding. They fought this tooth and nail because it MAKES the teacher accountable for their job just like the rest of us. What is wrong with taking tests to make sure that the kids ARE being taught? What is wrong with not following the same old path of REWARDING failing schools by letting Democrats continue to blindly throw more and more money at the problem and getting only WORSE results instead of better?

          Corporal punishment, ask yourself which political party is responsible for this going away?

          Political Correctness, ask yourself which political party is responsible for this?

          Lousy parents, ask yourself which political party IS responsible for this? And before you think I am saying being a Democrat makes you a lousy parent, I’m not. but making excuses for peoples behaviour and lower standards and expectations IS the direct fault of the Democrats and the “I’m a victom” mentallity they have nurtured in the poor poor in order to keep their power.

          Yes, administrators are payed too much for too little. Yes, teachers should make a better wage. Yes, ANYTHING that is run by the government is not going to be cost effective and a lot of the money is lost in the “system”. This is allowed because they don’t HAVE to be run like a business. They were NOT held accountable. They do ANYTHING they can to eliminate compitetion, because they don’t WANT to HAVE to compete.

          YOU and people like you that support that parties lack of beliefs and policies are responsible for the state of the school system.

          We SAW how the Democratic party tried to blame Bush for being a Racist because of all the forgotten poor poor around New Orleans. We DIDN’T hear how it is that ANYONE could be so dirt poor in a Democrat state, with democrat Governors and mayors for decades. Proof that if you LET the Democratic party have the run, the poor poor will NOT be lifted up, but ignored because they are only needed when it is time to vote.

          Advocated kids bringing guns to school. It has always been the Republicans and the NRA that have advocated for the strong inforcement of our EXISTING laws to control gun crimes. There are enough laws on the books already to cover all of this, but the Democrats have INTENIONALLY no cracked down on this to try to justify new laws and total bans. Neither would make any difference. Pass a law making it illegal for a minor to bring a stolen gun to school is going to help how? Or making sure that someone selling or stealling a gun is locked up with a big man named Bubba for a very long time. Which will have an effect on gun crime?

          The Teachers union is not an advocate for improving the education kids recieve and is not an advocate of holding teachers accountable for the job they do.

        • #3136228

          you are blaming teachers

          by jck ·

          In reply to And you know absurd, right?

          for funding bills passed by Congress and state legislatures…

          For laws signed by Presidents and Governors…

          and policies passed by school boards and their attorneys.

          How are they responsible for that?

        • #3136076

          The teachers are responsable

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to And you know absurd, right?

          for repeating the lies.
          For acting in the interests of keeping standards off of themselves to make their lives easier. (how dare anyone expect them to be based on performance?)

          For furthing the lies of the Democratic party and doing their best to brainwash future generations of little democrats.

          Federal funding IS there, but STATE funding has been cut in many places. Then the dishonest Democrats of shapes and sizes pass the LIE that Bush isn’t funding education.

          The teachers union DOES have a lot to say about what goes on in the schools. Your trying to redirect the blame does not change that FACT, not anything else I posted. When did I say they were in charge of legislation? Did I make my post too long, so you didn’t bother to read it?

        • #3136752

          I will try to make this simple

          by jck ·

          In reply to And you know absurd, right?

          You can not blame teachers for following policies and laws set in place by administrative and legislative bodies.

          Is that simple enough to understand?

          Also, you again try to paint it like teachers make all the decisions in schools that lead to these things happening. They do not.

          School boards, in almost every case, have to approve books for purchase and use in the classroom, not teachers.

          School boards, city councils, state legislators and federal legislators pass bills and policies on what is and is not appropriate conduct and teaching for the classroom, not teachers.

          School boards appropriate the monies given them by city, county, state and federal bodies, and budget them, not teachers.

          The teachers…do none of this.

          So if your school’s lunch program only has fast food, you can’t blame teachers.

          If they use a book that isn’t to your ethical, religious, or philisophic liking, you can’t blame the teachers.

          You should blame a teacher if they take an action which is of their own choice, conscience and action…not because they are following the instruction of their superiors.

          What should they do? Disobey their superiors? Break school policy or state/local/federal law? Risk their livelihood?

          I assure you, teachers didn’t pull corporal punishment, discipline or authority to correct children out of their own hands…that was judicial, legislative and administrative action which caused that.

          In fact, corporal punishment disappeared from my school system in the 1980s. I believe the Republicans were in the White House then, my state had a Republican governor, and a split legislative body.

          Nonetheless, I think teachers are the least of our concerns in a school. Their hands are often tied when it comes to what they can choose to do.

          Heck, I remember when in school you feared the paddle and a teacher could hug you if you did well on your in-class assignment.

          Now, children can’t be disciplined for fear of legal tort, and if a teacher so much as hugs a child it’s investigated for inappropriate conduct.

          And, I guarantee…the teachers didn’t ask for either of those. They don’t choose to be inhuman to their students. Law and policy mandates that.

          As for lousy parents, they come in all shapes and sizes and social demographics, man. Don’t cast Democrats as responsible for that. Jenna Bush getting drunk underage in Austin when her daddy was governor of Texas I guess was the fault of the Democrats who made her drink?? Yes, Jenna Bush is a victim of the Democrats…the poor thing.

          I did not say that parties have lack of beliefs…in fact, I say that they often put too much restriction on schools because of their beliefs, referring back to corporal punishment in my schools under Republican oversight in my home state. So, Republicans are just as guilty for setting stupid policies in schools as Democrats.

          As for New Orleans, I never EVER said anything racial-oriented so don’t orient this as if I agreed with any of that crap Jackson and those guys were spewing.

          I said Bush didn’t respond like he should of…neither did Brown or Chertoff…and that they did a crappy job at getting prepared, getting in there, and funding levee reinforcement for MILLIONS that would have prevented it…when now we’ll have to spend BILLIONS rebuilding New Orleans…could have spent a penny to save a buck…

          As for gun control, it would be better to make the owner of the gun (whether business or personal) responsible for not securing the gun and allowing misuse. I mean, you hold the bartender responsible for letting someone get drunk and get behind the wheel. Why not hold a person or gunshop owner responsible for letting a firearm of theirs fall into hands to be misused? A gun is just as deadly as a car when misused.

          That way if a parent doesn’t take the responsibility to properly store a gun and their kids gets a hold of it, the parent as well as the child pays the price.

          As for holding teachers responsible for educational level achieved by their students, that is just preposterous. That’s like your boss holding you accountable for the quality of a server update that a vendor provides you. You are not being judged on your capabilities, but on how someone else performs.

          If schools would kick kids out who are disruptive, and agree to take children out of classrooms underachieving because of inability to learn materials (whether because of disability, etc), then I could advocate that.

          However, kids could decide they don’t like a teacher and crap out on a skills test to make the teacher to lose pay. Or if the teachers couldn’t fix the grades to get extra money…or make the assignments easier…I could advocate it.

          But, the rewards program doesn’t work in the schools as they are now because there’s no accountability on any side to make sure there’s a standard and no misuse. It would be impossible to implement in any fashion expeditiously. You’d have to revamp a lot of schools and that would take a lot of money and time and not even work in every case.

          As for dumbing kids down, I seem to also remember the kicking in of “not keeping kids out of the classroom” starting in the mid-1980s when I was in high school. This meant the other kids who were of normal or above normal intelligence had to be slowed down so that the under-average kids could be treated “normally” like the other kids.

          Again, that was under a Republican president and Governor in my state.

          Finally as for the “gift society”, you really need to take a deeper look at who’s getting gifted in this society at your expense. I believe the upper income individuals in this country are getting “gifted” a lot more nowadays than 10 years ago. I wonder why that is? I guess it’s not a gift if your rich…it’s a gratuity when you’re rich and get big tax breaks?

          So, your Republicans are not keeping a clean sheet either. They’re just giving money to people who already have it, rather than those who need it.

          And as for educationally, they were pushing for those “school vouchers” in Florida to be usable at private schools so they could save a buck on sending their kids to their little academies and prep schools. Bunch of cheapskates.

          Needless to say, teachers can’t control law and policy and have to follow it. You can’t blame them for that.

          As for them dumbing kids down, you should take a look back when these “kinder, gentler” policies were taking place to dumb the kids down. I know, in the case of where I grew up, almost everything was Republican that set law and school policy. So, the Republicans were doing it as well.

        • #3116923

          not pushing values…

          by jck ·

          In reply to Culture, not genitics

          it’s one thing not to push them on another adult…

          it’s another to instill ethics through discipline and example on your child in your own home.

          and I agree…not paying attention to your kid just so you can work that extra to get the bonus that takes you and the wife to aruba while the kid sits home with a nanny is neglectful…and abusive.

        • #3137627

          How about in public?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to not pushing values…

          Should kids HAVE to maintain a level of ethics and values in school?

          You are free to behave as you wish, in your home.

          You are NOT free to behave as you wish in public.

          Your rights END where the next persons begins.

          That is why smokers are getting set upon. The people that don’t smoke have the RIGHT to not have to breath someone elses smoke in a public place, and that right STOPS the smoker from lighting up because their smoke will enter and infringe on someone elses rights.

          Do you have a dress code in schools that instill some modesty in the youth or do we encourage them to “learn themselves” by dressing like whores?

          And I already know, you think “another adult” has the “right” to be as publicly decadent as they want. Any wonder there is such a sad state of moral decline in this country? Thank YOU.

        • #3136231

          that’s actually not totally accurate

          by jck ·

          In reply to How about in public?

          When you step outside in any state in the USA, you can smoke…but, you are in other peoples’ space…and, can be standing next to them at a bus stop and they blow it toward you…and, the out of doors is public.

          So, it’s not necessarily true your rights end where another person begins.

          Also, you can’t do whatever you want in your own home. You can’t do something that is detrimental to the rights of others. Sure, you can dance naked…so long as you shut the shades. But, being in your house doesn’t make it right to rape, molest kids, kill cats, etc.

          As for school dress codes…I grew up with one…I have nothing against them. I just don’t think that school uniforms are the answer.

          Also, I don’t think someone should be able to be “publicly decadent as they want”.

          As for kids…I don’t think they should have to have “morals”…or “ethics”, per se.

          They should know how to act around others. Being at school isn’t being at home. And if children can’t be civil and be respectful of the others in their school, they shouldn’t be there.

          Anyways…gotta go. Have a nice day

        • #3136070

          You make me wonder sometimes

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to that’s actually not totally accurate

          [i]”As for kids…I don’t think they should have to have “morals”…or “ethics”, per se.”[/i]
          ALL people in a civilized society MUST have a moral and ethical standard in line with the community with they live in. That is the most pathetic thing I have heard that kids don’t need morals or ethics.

          Then you get down right stupid about rape and molestation?

          And there are many places that you can not smoke. there are still places you can, but that is changing all the time too.

          I really hope your just trying to jerk my chain with this and your last post because they were straight out of loonyville and far beneth anything I ever expected out of you.

        • #3136053

          Thank God he has no kids

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to You make me wonder sometimes

          So just how does a kid transition to adulthood without the benefit of some exposure to morals and ethics? Do we wave a magic wand?

          And I am not suggestion religion here – you can be a very moralistic atheist or agnostic.

          If there is nothing else I pass onto my children like money or other materialistic things, the least I can do for their education is to teach them a few morals and ethics. And frankly, I think its the most important thing I can do too.

          Or were you just yanking my chain ha ha jck….

          James

        • #3135962

          You know James,

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You make me wonder sometimes

          The more I read it, the more I am sure that he is just jerking my chain with that one to see if he can get a rise.

          If he isn’t, then there is no point of continuing as you can not have an intellegent conversation with anyone that would mean what he wrote.

          We will find out, when/IF he comes back and explains himself.

        • #3136723

          you know…

          by jck ·

          In reply to You make me wonder sometimes

          jdclyde…did you not once say that you didn’t want others pushing their values on your kids? Yet now, you say that they MUST fall in line with where they live? Is that not going to mean that your children have to follow everyone else’s morals pushed upon them, and not letting you choose the morals and ethics your children follow?

          Isn’t that contradictory of you???

          When I say children should not have “morals…or ethics, per se.”, it is in reference to their conduct in school and your first line of:

          “Should kids HAVE to maintain a level of ethics and values in school?

          “Morals” and “ethics” (or “values”, as you said) are all too commonly tied to religion. And, it is not right to push someone’s religion on others should not be allowed…especially in a school environment. The ethics you give your children at home are your business, so long as they do not violate the law. But, you can’t expect others to raise their children to your standard…religious or otherwise.

          There should be a non-biased standard of common conduct, i.e.- how a child is expected to behave in school. Everyone has differing morals and ethics. And, you need to establish such a standard without religious, racial, ethnic, moral or ethical bias while still making it legally acceptable.

          Now, a for-instance of why you can’t allow standards in schools to be “moral” or “ethical”:

          If I, as a child growing up, would have been forced into the having “…a moral and ethical standard in line with the community with they live in.”, I would have not been allowed to attend school dances because the predominate and majority of my local community was Southern Baptist. That is a cold, hard fact. In fact, they tried a number of times to get the school board to ban dances in my school district.

          Another school district north of my hometown did ban them because their superintendent was a hard-core Southern Baptist and enforced his “moral” and “ethical” will on others based on his religious belief.

          So, it does happen in this world. You can’t say that it doesn’t, because I have seen it. I had friends who went to that other school system. They were made to bow to another man’s “ethics” and “morals” which were religiously driven.

          And unfortunately, he got away with it for years until he died.

          You can’t let a moral or ethic drive conduct in schools because it will become a religious argument and standard. And, allowing one religion that is predominate to drive the moral and/or ethical standard would be wrong.

          Sometimes I feel like I have to spell out every little thing when talking about this stuff and giving examples like I’m teaching a class.

          I hope you understand now.

        • #3136634

          If this is “spelling it out”

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You make me wonder sometimes

          you need a spell checker worse than I do.

          Ask all the people here that participated in the “morals without religion” discussion if morals and ethics are only for people of religion.

          You don’t listen, you don’t look, you don’t see.

          I would never want to live in your world.

        • #3136629

          Answer at the end, for your reading pleasure

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to You make me wonder sometimes

          instead of adding my reply here in the middle of the discussion, I have started a new thread.

          Also, to address your “points”, it is long. Too keep your from just skimming over the most of it because of the lenght, it will be broken down into multiple posts, so you can address the different points if you feel the need to respond.

        • #3136614

          yes well

          by jck ·

          In reply to You make me wonder sometimes

          You don’t have to be in my world…right?

          God bless America…right?

          Fact is, man…you yell that you don’t want morals pushed on you or your kids, but then you yell they’re not pushing enough of them in schools.

          You have to decide…do you want morals in schools or not, even though they are not exactly what jdclyde wants?

          Public schools are public…and have to have a common, public standard…not just what jdclyde wants his kids taught. If you want your children to only learn your values, morals, etc…home school them. Exposure to other peoples’ kids means exposure to good and bad. That’s called…life.

          And btw, not being in my world means I hope you never retire here. Because, I’ll control your utility bills if you do. Just remember…avoid the west coast of Florida.

          My software already manages the power line construction and maintenance work orders about 30 percent of the power grid in this state…and soon, mine will manage water and sewer data for hundreds of thousands of people on the west coast of Florida.

          And, my software running the powerlines hasn’t crashed once since I left. Pretty damn good for a stupid, absurd, leftist-nut liberal, eh? Must be luck…

          Oh well…go get jaegered up…swing a golf club…do a happy dance…and enjoy freezing your ass off up there this winter.

      • #3116964

        Finally!

        by bellyboy ·

        In reply to All Gurus = Asian?

        …some real commentary. I was beginning to think that TR was only for the arrogant, self-righteous and pessimistic.
        Surely this thread was based on the sterotype that asians are considered smater. Not a bad stereotype if you ask me. 🙂
        By the way, I am Asian and not a guru. I do agree with your point about the difference in upbringing to an extent. I was raised in a predominantly white neighborhood and was 1 out the 5 asian kids in a high school of 3000 students. Most of my childhood friends are white.
        Even as a kid I noticed the different “freedoms” that most of my friends were given compared to me. My parents held me to a higher standard that C’s weren’t good enough where other kids’ parents seemed happy that they even passed. Not only that, but it seemed that most kids back them thought that being stupid was cool and getting good grades was only for nerds.
        I’m not saying that this is true for all of the kids in school, but definitely the majority.
        That being said, though, I think times are changing and that many American kids realize early on that a good education is the key to success in today’s market. You see many more kids going to college after high school and many more college grads continuing on with MBA’s and such.

        • #3137841

          real commentary

          by apotheon ·

          In reply to Finally!

          What, you really expect substantive responses to an obvious troll?

    • #3114552

      Reply To: Why are all the gurus Asian?

      by softwareengineer99 ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      Not all the gurus are Asian. Open your eyes and you will see huge diversity.

    • #3117115

      RE: Why are all the gurus Asian?

      by itjunkie ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      Im a guru and Im not Asian..

      • #3117109

        What the hell?

        by m_a_r_k ·

        In reply to RE: Why are all the gurus Asian?

        We posted the exact same message about 2 seconds apart. Mine came first. You copied me. You’re not a guru, Mr. ITJunker. A guru wouldn’t have the need to copy like you blatantly did. 😀

        • #3117033

          now now mark

          by surflover ·

          In reply to What the hell?

          he probably couldn’t read yours through the dark glasses in the dim room he was typing from… (after all, he is a junkie)… :^O

        • #3117023

          Actually I should be flattered

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to now now mark

          that he chose [b]my[/b] prose to plagiarize. 😀

    • #3116974

      I”m a Guru and I”m asian….

      by lsmith1989 ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      Not sure what it means but just thought I’d put it out there.

      • #3116960

        Excellent point, smith!

        by m_a_r_k ·

        In reply to I”m a Guru and I”m asian….

        That’s the most thought-provoking, eloquent, hit-’em-between-the-eyes post I’ve ever read here! 😀

    • #3116967

      guru?

      by tink! ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      I think guru is simply a term of respect that people use to refer to someone who knows more than them. Is especially used in the technical fields.

      I’ve been called a guru by friends and co-workers, but it doesn’t mean I’m a master of my trade. I just know a lot more than they do. lol.
      Tink
      PS – I’m asian and a female…I cover both of the most recent hot minority topics. =-)

      • #3116955

        tinkerbelle, if you really wanna know what a guru is

        by m_a_r_k ·

        In reply to guru?

        I’ll tell you…

        [i][b]gu?ru [/b]
        1) Hinduism & Tibetan Buddhism. A personal spiritual teacher.
        2a) A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters.
        2b) A trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor.
        3a) A recognized leader in a field: the guru of high finance.
        3b) An acknowledged and influential advocate, as of a movement or idea: ?In a culture that worships slimness, he was the Guru of Lean?.[/i]

        • #3116939

          if I didn’t know and wanted to

          by tink! ·

          In reply to tinkerbelle, if you really wanna know what a guru is

          I’d have looked it up myself. but thanks anyway.
          and FYI my nickname “Tink” is short for Tinkerick..acquired from High school stage crew, not “Tinkerbell”.
          Tink

        • #3116927

          Ok, Tink

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to if I didn’t know and wanted to

          Uptight people just kill me!

        • #3116894

          =-)

          by tink! ·

          In reply to Ok, Tink

          All my rebuttals are meant in the nicest of ways. I’m really a sweet person..but that doesn’t necessarily come across in a typed post!
          Tink

        • #3116887

          Ahhh, thanks “tinkerick”!

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to =-)

          My rebuttals are too (most of the time). I like to tease in a fun way (most of the time). Yep, typed messages often come across as abrupt and harsh. Because you cleared up any potential misunderstanding promptly and in a mature fashion, you have earned my respect (for whatever that’s worth). 😀

        • #3116881

          Hey Tink

          by surflover ·

          In reply to =-)

          the quickest way to get a nickname you dont want around here is to let someone know you dont like it :^O…

          But since you cleared it up promptly, and salvaged marks respect, I think you may have slipped past… BTW, what does “tinkerick” mean?

          Surf

        • #3116872

          Surfer, be a gentleman

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Hey Tink

          Don’t you know it’s not gentlemanly to ask a woman what her tinkerick is? 😀 Uh…maybe it means she tinkers around with Rick? Yikes! Sorry, tink. Sometimes I can’t help myself. I allow myself one sarcastic post per week, and this is it. Surfer, here is what the name means (though I hate to show this link because I am getting my a$$ chewed out in it):

          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=183810&messageID=1876943

        • #3116867

          since u asked

          by tink! ·

          In reply to Hey Tink

          In stage crew it was tradition to give everyone nicknames. Such as:
          Mouse: was named so because she wore a knee brace that squeaked. (She was later renamed Duck because she dropped a 2 by 4 on my head – for real!)
          The two main people pronounced me Ick – I have no idea why – but not liking the connotation of it, I added Tinker since I liked fixing things. Thereby getting Tinkerick. Henceforth everyone just called me Tink for short.
          Tink

          PS Mark..funny u should say that. My hubby’s name is Rick. lol!

        • #3116816

          Nicknames

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Hey Tink

          Tink, your husband probably prefers my version of the origination of your nickname. 😉

        • #3137126

          get this right for once guys

          by kabbirgkm ·

          In reply to tinkerbelle, if you really wanna know what a guru is

          guru is actually two words from sanskrit..if you care to know…

          first part is gu…indicating and meaning one who can

          the second is ru….indicating and meaning removal
          of ignorance…or darkness.

          so please get to the bottom of things…this is purely a language of the east….sanskrit has no known roots

          also it is a eastern word frm a different times and culture and grammar…period

        • #3120251

          With all due respect

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to get this right for once guys

          I agree its important to know the origin of the word and its original meanings.

          But please understand that there are no static languages – guru may have different meanings in different cultures and subcultures.

          We at TR may talk about computer gurus in a different broader meaning than someone who talks about say Deepak Chopra being a spiritual guru, despite the fact that the root meaning is the same. I usually see the word used in computer terms as part original meaning, plus an aspect of technical excellence. Think of a technically excellent mentor/teacher.

          The only languages which do not change are dead ones…..

          James

      • #3116915

        The etymology of Guru – by some Gurus

        by neilb@uk ·

        In reply to guru?

        I checked with a couple of Indian colleagues and they disagree but both reckon that the word comes from Sanskrit and so into the modern Hindi, Bengali and Gujarati used in India.

        They both agree that the word guru means teacher in Sanskrit and originated from Hindu referencing Vidya (knowledge) and the imparter of knowledge.

        The word either comes from sanskrit “gru”, literally meaning heavy, weighty or from a derfinition of a guru as a “dispeller of darkness”, ‘gu’ meaning darkness, and ‘ru’ meaning dispeller.

        I like the second one but – what do I know.

        Either way, most gurus are Asian. In fact they are mostly Indian and mostly Hindu.

        • #3116903

          neil, you’re a day late and a dollar short

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to The etymology of Guru – by some Gurus

          I already got chewed out by tinker for providing the definition for “guru”. You’re made up definition is close. Here is an official one:
          http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=183810&messageID=1876953

          But be prepard to get your head bit off by tinker.

        • #3116891

          Ooooooooooooooooh! Shiver!

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to neil, you’re a day late and a dollar short

          In my time at TR, I have been chewed out by Maxwell (frequently), Dawg [b]and[/b] Oz. Tinkerbelle doesn’t frighten me!

          😀

          p.s. Anyway, I supplied the Etymolgy. I would quote some words from the Upanishads but that would be showing off! 🙂

        • #3116876

          Upanishad?

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Ooooooooooooooooh! Shiver!

          Where’d you find that crazy word? I looked up the defintion of that word in my handy dictionary and, quite fankly, the definition is even more obtuse than the word itself. At the risk of getting chewed out yet again, I will post that definition here:

          [i][b]U?pan?i?shad[/b] Pronunciation Key (-pn-shd, -p?n-sh?d) n.
          Any of a group of philosophical treatises contributing to the theology of ancient Hinduism, elaborating on the earlier Vedas.[/i]

          Now I will go run for cover. BTW, tink and I had a candid discussion (after she chewed me out)where we boldly and succintly aired our viewpoints about such matters as Asian gurus, nuclear holocausts and the extinction of the polar bear. The end result of that discussion was that I learned that I initially misspelled her name. It is tinkerick, not tinkerbelle. Sorry for leading you astray on the name thing. 😀

        • #3136225

          Grammar

          by montgomery gator ·

          In reply to Upanishad?

          So, is Upanishad the past tense of U panish?
          “I Panish every now and then”
          “Are U going to panish today?”
          “They will Panish sometime next week”
          “I Panishad two days ago”
          “U Panishad last week?”
          “Are U Panishing in there? Cut it out!!!”

        • #3136221

          Uh….

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Grammar

          you lost me. What in the world is panish? My usually trustworthy dictionary failed me in retrieving the defintion of that one.

        • #3136183

          Panish

          by montgomery gator ·

          In reply to Grammar

          Upanishad sounds like the second person past tense for the word “panish”. That is where I get it from. I am not sure what it means.

        • #3116890

          Me too

          by montgomery gator ·

          In reply to neil, you’re a day late and a dollar short

    • #3137769

      Short memories

      by jardinier ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      Have all you guys and gals so quickly forgotten TR’s personal Guru — GuruOfDos?

      And what’s more, he is even a G.O.D.

    • #3137666

      all Asians are gurus or all gurus are Asian

      by itgirli ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      Well if you are the religious sort, you will believe that we all desended from Adam and Eve who dwelt in an unspecified location around the mesopotamian area. Which is a part of Afro-Asian, and generally thought of as Asia.
      Or if not, you will know as James pointed out, the Celts were wanderers whose remains have been found in parts of Asia. Native Americans are often though to have crossed over from Russia, that also being part of Asia. So it wouls seem that any of us from anywhere are decended from Asians. So, in fact, everyone is really Asian, and we may all be gurus.
      Thank you.

      • #3137646

        Brilliant!

        by gadgetgirl ·

        In reply to all Asians are gurus or all gurus are Asian

        Very well thought out, and a brilliant answer to the title of the discussion! (Logical, too, but hey I’d expect that from a fellow female)

        Have a drink on me – I really enjoyed that one!

        😀

        GG

        • #3137606

          Yeah!

          by itgirli ·

          In reply to Brilliant!

          All I hear from these males is how women are not logical. I find that some of us are very logical indeed.

        • #3137600

          Only insecure males….

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Yeah!

          Those of us who are secure and confident of our own skills and abilities, aren’t threatened.

          Its always dangerous to make generalizations and then try to apply it to individuals, be it regarding gender, age, race, culture, or whatever. To blend in another thread, thats where there are no black and white issues, but lots of grey.

          If there are differences based on gender, and I am not entirely convinced there are outside of how we are taught and socialized, then who is to say that any differences indicate superiority. To wit, if all these guys say men are more logical, its them suggesting that their form of logic is superior, and not willing to acknowledge that women may have a differnt form of logic.

          But I still vote for plan B – we are all the same clay, and its how we are taught that makes us different.

          James

        • #3137592

          Thank You..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Only insecure males….

          You have very clearly and succinctly presented the idea that I’ve been TRYING to get across in that ‘other’ thread.

        • #3136516

          Product of our environment

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Only insecure males….

          The way you are raised, the things you see growing up, the guidance you get, all are things that help to determine they type of person you are.

          On the other hand, genetics DOES play some role here. People of higher intelligence (IQ) will tend to produce children with the same trait.
          Intellegence is just another characteristic, like hair color or build and it can be passed on.

          Now there will always be the apple that falls far from the tree, either by a long domanate trait or from the milkman adding to the mix or whatever.

          SEX is NOT a determiner of intellegence or logic. How that sex is TREATED DOES help determine what they will be like.

        • #3136224

          The world is spinning on its axis again

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Yeah!

          girli is back to bashing men so all is normal in the world once again! 😉

        • #3136218

          I am not bashing men

          by itgirli ·

          In reply to The world is spinning on its axis again

          And how is it that when a man says something about a woman, it is truth, but if a woman says somethign about a man, it is labelled “bashing”. I am just sick of some men thinking that I’m stupid or less than them just because I am female. I may not be a genius, but I’m smarter than a lot of guys I know. I may not be athletic, but I am stronger than some guys. I can’t beat all guys at everything, but that doesn’t make me less of a person. I don’t have something to prove, I just demand respect when I give it. I am not less, I am more.

        • #3136197

          Wow!

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to I am not bashing men

          Take it easy, girli. I didn’t mean to offend you.

          [i]>And how is it that when a man says something about a woman, it is truth, but if a woman says somethign about a man, it is labelled “bashing”.[/i]

          It is only labeled as truth by the individual saying it, man or woman. And sometimes, for better or worse, by the person hearing it.

          [i]>I am just sick of some men thinking that I’m stupid or less than them just because I am female.[/i]

          I have had some men think that I am less than them. I have had women think that I am less than them. I am certain every person on this planet has experienced this.

          [i]>I may not be a genius, but I’m smarter than a lot of guys I know.[/i]

          girli, I think it is obvious to most people who read your posts, that you are highly intelligent. It is obvious to me, at least. I cannot speak for people who know you in person. To be honest, I am fairly certain that you are more intelligent than I am. I am pretty average in that category. I have gotten by on persistence and iron will.

          [i]>I may not be athletic, but I am stronger than some guys.[/i]

          Athleticism has nothing to do with what kind of person one is.

          [i]>I can’t beat all guys at everything, but that doesn’t make me less of a person. [/i]

          Neither can I. And I can’t beat all women at everything, either. In general, I can probably beat 50% of men and 50% of women.

          [i]>I don’t have something to prove, I just demand respect when I give it.[/i]

          Everyone wants respect. And we should all expect to get it. Who does not respect you? I hope that you don’t think that I do not respect you because I do. I usually write a lot of BS, but this post has not had one shred of BS. Trust me on that. If I did offend you, I apologize.

        • #3136175

          lighten up!

          by itgirli ·

          In reply to Wow!

          I’m just messin’ with you. Not that what I said wasn’t true, but I just like to give the typical femi-nazi answer. (I do not agree with femi-nazi’s.) Quite frankly I would like to have a man make a bunch of money for me while I stand in the kitchen all day. I’m not a good cook and I burn water, but I sure am good at eating!

        • #3136153

          girli, you kill me

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Wow!

          girli, me being the sensitive gentleman that I am, I was despondent to the point of near suicide to think that I pissed a lady off. Ever heard of a little gadget called an emoticon? ?:| How would you have liked going around the rest of your life knowing you were the cause of a man’s suicide? It almost happened, you know. haha

          You want a guy who makes a lot of money so you can stand in the kitchen and cook for him all day. Well, I want a woman who makes a lot of money AND stands in the kitchen to cook for me all day.

        • #3136152

          That last one’ll get you LOTS

          by surflover ·

          In reply to Wow!

          of brownie points HAHAHAHAHA!

        • #3136149

          Hey girlie

          by surflover ·

          In reply to Wow!

          unlike mark, I want a girl who’ll let me make lots of money and let ME stand in the kitchen and do the cooking (I love to cook)… she can do the cooking in other parts of the house 😉

        • #3136138

          I would cook but

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Wow!

          I’d have to find a woman who has no taste buds.

          And Surfer, before you get me in hot water again by twisting my joke around, I was just kidding about me wanting a woman who makes all the money and does all the cooking. I think I need to start writing only the bare facts and avoid horsing around and avoid opinions from now on. Boring? yes. Safe? yes.

        • #3136122

          Now Mark, THAT was sarcasm

          by surflover ·

          In reply to Wow!

          you’re not thinking of wimping out on us, eh? :^O

        • #3136110

          Wimping out

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Wow!

          I don’t know. Maybe I’m not thinking clearly. I’m just now recovering from the depths of depression caused by girli’s tongue-lashing which subsequently pushed me to the brink of suicide. I need some time to bounce back and clear my head.

        • #3136104

          Somehow, the way you put that

          by surflover ·

          In reply to Wow!

          “girli’s tongue-lashing” sounded rather exciting :^O

        • #3136097

          I know

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Wow!

          I realized that after I wrote it. Being too lazy to reach way over to the top right of my keyboard for the BACKSPACE button and then to try to think of something witty to replace it, I just left it as it was. I guess I gotta wait until Monday to begin my makeover into a serious, matter-of-fact persona.

        • #3136501

          A correction

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to I am not bashing men

          you get respect when you earn and deserve it, not when you give it to others.

          You have earned my respect, and I am sure many others feel the same way.

          Smart babes rock.

        • #3136611

          You got the respect thing backwards

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to A correction

          Do you disrespect a stranger until he or she earns respect? Isn’t it the other way around? I believe respect is like innocence in a court of law. We are all created equal. How we use that equality is a different matter. Everyone should be given some measure of respect until they have shown that they do not deserve it. You have respect until you lose it.

        • #3137118

          Mark – respect for…..

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to A correction

          Can’t speak for JD, nor would he want me to, but I think there are levels of respect.

          I respect my fellow human beings as being human, and entitled to receive courtesy and politeness until they have shown that they don’t deserve it. Thats the kind of “value” that should be taught in schools, and contrary to some people’s beliefs, has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with morality. Its a basic level of respect.

          I think the respect that JD expressed is a higher admiration for someone he considers to be above average. That kind of respect is earned.

          James

        • #3120260

          James

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to A correction

          I understand your point. You are right.

        • #3120259

          JD, there’s a difference between respect

          by surflover ·

          In reply to A correction

          and admiration… common courtesy dictates that we respect each other until, as the originator of this post has done, “earn” your dis-respect… :^O

          In girli’s case, we’re talking about admiring her incredible mental ability, which I think all of us are quite envious of… I think we all respected her by default…

        • #3136206

          I thought something was a bit off

          by surflover ·

          In reply to The world is spinning on its axis again

          :^O

        • #3136189

          Ssshhh!!

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to I thought something was a bit off

          Apparently some things are off limits when joking around. ?:|

        • #3136174

          hmph!

          by itgirli ·

          In reply to Ssshhh!!

          and hmph again!

        • #3136148

          hmmphing

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to Ssshhh!!

          A world without joking around is a world without laughter. And a world without laughter is like..well, it’s like a world without laughter. (Er…damnit, I lost my train of thought of where I was heading with that).

          ;\ :p :^O

        • #3136207

          If any of you girls want examples of

          by surflover ·

          In reply to Yeah!

          illogical males, just read some of the posts by the originator of this thread… he’s a disgrace to the gender :^O

      • #3136227

        Nope not Asian

        by m_a_r_k ·

        In reply to all Asians are gurus or all gurus are Asian

        Maybe you missed my post in another thread.
        (http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=183741&messageID=1876100)
        I’ve researched my family tree and I’m 100% German all they way back to at least the 1750s. Weren’t Adam and Eve born in 1776? On July 4, 1776 to be exact. That means I couldn’t be one of their descendants so I’m not Asian.

        BTW, since Adam and Eve lived in the Middle East, does that mean the first jihad was committed when God booted them out of the Garden of Eden?

        danka shein.

    • #3136011

      ALIENS

      by dgrissom01 ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      All the gurus Asian? I hardly think so. But I’m suspicious that we might all be aliens. 😀

    • #3136628

      jck, and the teachers union

      by jdclyde ·

      In reply to Why are all the gurus Asian?

      Just for you.

      • #3136625

        Part one

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to jck, and the teachers union

        [i]”You should blame a teacher if they take an action which is of their own choice, conscience and action…not because they are following the instruction of their superiors.”[/i]

        Yes, like the teachers that are telling their kids that we are in Iraq because of oil? I don’t see that in the book. They never push a pro-democrat agenda? You can TRY to distract from points I make by going off on tangents that have nothing to do with what I am talking about or throwing in points that are missleading, but it doesn’t change the facts.

        ANYtime there is an effort to hold school accountable, it is the teachers union that is there to block the effort.

        Legislative? Have you ever bothered to see that the teachers union has a HUGE lobbying effort going on at all times? They have nothing to say in what gets passed and what doesn’t? You would consider this an evil thing if it was a corporation, right?

        [i]”In fact, corporal punishment disappeared from my school system in the 1980s. I believe the Republicans were in the White House then, my state had a Republican governor, and a split legislative body.”[/i]

        This came from new legislation or was it policy handed down because LIBERAL judges were awarding huge settlements when some parent sued because their angel had his feeling hurt? Again, either you don’t understand or you are intentionally misleading.

        [i]”And, I guarantee…the teachers didn’t ask for either of those. They don’t choose to be inhuman to their students. Law and policy mandates that.”[/i]

        No, the “progressive liberal movement” did. They couldn’t warp the country to their liking through legislation, so they did it through the courts. Part of YOUR no standards society.

        [i]”As for lousy parents, they come in all shapes and sizes and social demographics, man. Don’t cast Democrats as responsible for that. Jenna Bush getting drunk underage in Austin when her daddy was governor of Texas I guess was the fault of the Democrats who made her drink?? Yes, Jenna Bush is a victim of the Democrats…the poor thing.”[/i]

        Have you or any of your friends ever had an issue while drinking? You NEVER drank illegally as a kid? That is as [b]stupid[/b] as yours and Max’s argument about who you are or aren’t related to.

      • #3136624

        Part Two

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to jck, and the teachers union

        [i]”I did not say that parties have lack of beliefs…in fact, I say that they often put too much restriction on schools because of their beliefs, referring back to corporal punishment in my schools under Republican oversight in my home state. So, Republicans are just as guilty for setting stupid policies in schools as Democrats.”[/i]

        Again, show me Republican legislation that was apposed by the mighty teachers union to back up this wild claim of yours. You can’t, because it never happened.

        [i]”As for New Orleans, I never EVER said anything racial-oriented so don’t orient this as if I agreed with any of that crap Jackson and those guys were spewing.”[/i]

        Hmm, saw only what you wanted to see here, right? I was talking about the poor living conditions of the poor poor all along. That for decades, these people that were too poor to escape the flood have been living in a Demcrat ruled state for what, fifty years? And all of a sudden it is Bushs fault? No, your not a blind partisan.

        [i]”As for gun control, it would be better to make the owner of the gun (whether business or personal) responsible for not securing the gun and allowing misuse. I mean, you hold the bartender responsible for letting someone get drunk and get behind the wheel. Why not hold a person or gunshop owner responsible for letting a firearm of theirs fall into hands to be misused? A gun is just as deadly as a car when misused.”[/i]

        I steal your car, get in an accident and kill someone. You are to be held partially to blame? dumbdumbdumb.

        [i]”As for holding teachers responsible for educational level achieved by their students, that is just preposterous. That’s like your boss holding you accountable for the quality of a server update that a vendor provides you. You are not being judged on your capabilities, but on how someone else performs.”[/i]

        As a system administrator, if I can not keep my servers running at an acceptable level, I will not remain that administrator. Of COURSE my boss can hold me to that standard. Just like YOUR boss holds YOU to the standard of writing code in a timely manner that WORKS. If your slow or your programs don’t work, YOU will be out the door.

        Why is it so wrong to expect the people that are shaping future generations of tax payers (provided they grow up to be Republicans) should be doing a good job? Else you get the Democrats as your output. People that RECIEVE from the government instead of contribute to the government.

        [i]”As for dumbing kids down, I seem to also remember the kicking in of “not keeping kids out of the classroom” starting in the mid-1980s when I was in high school. This meant the other kids who were of normal or above normal intelligence had to be slowed down so that the under-average kids could be treated “normally” like the other kids.”[/i]

        Some people are just too stupid to educate, huh?

        • #3137576

          comment

          by jck ·

          In reply to Part Two

          “Some people are just too stupid to educate, huh?”

          Yes, there are people who do not readily learn as quickly as others, and yes…some who are unable to learn at all…I believe they call it mentally handicapped. As well, there are students unwilling to learn and are disruptive.

          And to keep those students in the class with other students who learn at a normal pace and want to learn, that diminishes pace at which all the other children learn for the sake of that one or few who want to be “normal”.

          I’m sure if your kids were in class and the teacher had to always slow down and explain to one or two students all the time what something meant and your kids complained to you about it, you’d be up in a huff over it. And actually, I wouldn’t blame you. If I had kids and some kid was disrupting class, I’d have a talk with the principal about it.

          Fact is, it is one of the reasons that public school children offer suffer scholastically. When a teacher has to slow down or stop class to help out with or deal with one student who is unable or unwilling to learn at the normal pace, that impacts the learning of the rest of the students. That is unfair to the ones who are able/willling to learn at a steady pace.

          If some states have schools for the gifted, they should also be able to fund individual schools or classes for wayward kids or those who do not learn as quickly. They used to have them in my school, called “Learning Disability” classes. But, I guess where I grew up that just became intolerable to have classes just for kids who learned at a much slower pace.

          Isn’t it wrong to impact the educational environment adversely by bringing the standard down around those kids who are capable learning at a normal pace??

          Hence, why I gave you the example of what happened in my schools under a Republican governor. They started mandating (the State Board of Education) that children “have a right to learn”…even if they were disruptive…they’d send them to basically “time-out” in school, then they would come back some days later…maybe to a different class…and disrupt it again.

          We also even had the case (when I was in 8th grade in 1983) where the school board mandated we allow a mentally handicapped girl to sit in class with us so she’d feel “normal”, even tho she was prone to spastic outbreaks all the time and often yelled above the teacher. This was all in the name of…making her feel normal…that other kids educational environment was degraded.

          To me, that was just pathetic to make 30 or more other students learning environment suffer all to give one student an educational “warm fuzzy”. Yes the handicapped girl deserved a right to as much education as she could be taught, but she had no right to feel “normal” at the expense of reducing other children’s opportunity to learn.

          Now to teaching to standards:

          If a teacher teaches a class with books provided, within the rules set forth by administrative policy and judicial verdict and legislative law…how can you hold them accountable for how the students do their part?

          How can you guarantee that students wouldn’t botch a part of a standardized test to cause a teacher grief because they don’t like them?

          At the same time, how can you say that teachers won’t try to cheat the system and load the scores? Teachers can be money-hungry too.

          I can tell you that the FCAT has done bad things to education here in FL, because students have to pass and teachers are expected to have their students pass.

          It has caused the teachers to quit teaching in classes and doing test prep for the FCAT, since if the school they work in receives a failing grade so many successive years, it is under scrutiny to be closed by the state.

          So, why would the teachers stop prepping kids and start teaching again when it could mean if they don’t teach their students what is on the test it could mean they lose their homes, cars, etc? Why would any teacher do something that endangers their livelihood?

          They don’t. They have to keep prepping those kids for what is on the FCAT exam, not what is necessarily in the books. Otherwise, the kids could fail the FCAT, and the school would be at risk of being closed and they can be out of work.

          So, the teachers prep the kids for the test because: their school system expects those kids to pass.

          That is: they are teaching the test instead of teaching the subject, because of the expectation of their employer…not because it is what they want to teach…individually or collectively.

          BTW, the FCAT was passed by a Republican-controlled Florida legislature in 1996.

          As for the legislation dealing with my home state and school system, I’d have to go search the website if it’s even available online. And to be honest, I really don’t care to justify what I lived through. If you don’t believe me…to be honest…tough sh*t. It doesn’t bother me. I lived through it and saw all the hypocracy happen there too.

          The Baptists didn’t want other people telling them how to live, but they sure tried to push their values system on others.

          The loving, mostly Christian-banner-waiving Republicans in the state legislature where I grea up didn’t wanna leave out those poor downtrodden children who didn’t learn as fast and make them feel like they were outcasts. But then, they’d come back and bitch about the school systems sucking like you do and blame the teachers like you do.

          Of course now in the state where I grew up, common law marriage is legal but it’s illegal to insure someone’s “common law” spouse because they weren’t married under law. So, the law says there “You’re married, but not insurable as married.”

          Buncha idiots there…it’s one of the reasons I left there.

          As for New Orleans, you tried to make ties to the argument to racial things. I never brought “racism” allegations against Bush, and I never condoned those who did. I never addressed it racially, and I was not going to address it nor will I further. It doesn’t solve the “what was done wrong?” and “what fixes it so that it doesn’t happen again?” questions.

          As for your job responsibilities:

          If you received and tested a server update adequately according to what your job is and deemed it safe…and implemented it…and 3 weeks later it crashed your corporate server during a critical financial cycle…your boss would really hold you responsible for your testing it adequately and implementing what you thought to be stable from your server software provider???

          Again if you implement a bad server upgrade provided by your vendor, you shouldn’t be punished. If you have done what is appropriate by the standards that exists for your job, and do your job by the rules set forth by your employer with the tools provided to you….why are you accountable for Red Hat, Microsoft, Sun or anyone else’s botched patch?

          Glad I don’t work in your world.

          Anyways…I’m done arguing the points with you. I can see it’s really hopeless to get you to see the basic double-standards.

          I hope your children get a fine public or private or home-school education, whatever you choose to give them…I really do. They deserve it. I just hope they haven’t had to suffer through the crap I did.

          Have a nice life.

        • #3137567

          Clarification

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to comment

          I did not INTEND to imply that YOU accused Bush of racism in the flooding in NO.

          I was refering to the party you so gleeflully support throwing out the race card. You don’t remember the cry that Bush was a racist because he didn’t solve these peoples every woe as soon as people thought they should have been?

          This is what I was refering to about racism.

          My MAIN point was that fact that the snivilly EXCUSE given for the people not leaving is because they were too poor. Boo hoo. In a long standing Democratic state you have long standing utter poverty? Shows that with the Democrats fully in charge, the poor poor will still be left behind until it is time to vote again.

        • #3137551

          again…

          by jck ·

          In reply to Clarification

          As I pointed out long ago…if Bush would have left in funding meant for securing those levees rather than cutting it out, we would have spent only MILLIONS in securing them, rather than looking at BILLIONS to rebuild New Orleans.

          It was an incredibly bad judgement made by he and his administration in trying to trim back the budget by cutting the Army Corps of Engineers funding in a coastal city prone to tropical storm damage.

          Also, I didn’t tie the Republicans in Congress to the bad response by Bush, Chertoff or Brown. I tied them to doing something stupid like sending out $2,000 ATM cards in a city with no power or working ATMs.

          So, don’t blame all Democrats for Ray Nagin and special interest groups spouting off that racial rhetoric to get the poor blacks in New Orleans in an uproar.

          I didn’t sit there and say it was Republicans fault that Bush did a stupid thing in cutting the levee money out of the budget and costing me and you billions. Bush did the stupid act.

          I just blame them for backing him as president, since he seems not well-equipped to do an exemplary job being a leader.

          Where the hell is Colin Powell when ya need him to be president? dammit…I would have voted for him.

          I gotta call Nader and see who his party is running for Pres.

      • #3136622

        Part Three

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to jck, and the teachers union

        [i]”Finally as for the “gift society”, you really need to take a deeper look at who’s getting gifted in this society at your expense. I believe the upper income individuals in this country are getting “gifted” a lot more nowadays than 10 years ago. I wonder why that is? I guess it’s not a gift if your rich…it’s a gratuity when you’re rich and get big tax breaks?”[/i]

        [B]This shows why there is no way to have a reasonable discussion about politics with you. You have already been brainwashed to thing that allowing someone to keep what THEY EARNED as a GIFT or a “GRATUITY”??? The upper income get to keep some of THEIR money as a gift. The lower income get to RECIEVE the money taken from the upper income as a gift.

        [b]WHICH IS THE GIFT? KEEP WHAT YOU MADE OR BE GIVEN WHAT SOMEONE ELSE MADE?[/B]

        [I]”So, your Republicans are not keeping a clean sheet either. They’re just giving money to people who already have it, rather than those who need it.”[/I]

        See the above to realize how STUPID this argument is.

        [i]”And as for educationally, they were pushing for those “school vouchers” in Florida to be usable at private schools so they could save a buck on sending their kids to their little academies and prep schools. Bunch of cheapskates.”[/i]

        What are you using for brains these days? Why should ANYONE have to pay for two school systems? If the public system is going to do a substandard job and/or push ideas I do not believe or BLOCK ideas I do believe, then I should be free to take MY tax dollars to educate MY kids in a manner that is in line with MY MORALS. (yes, some of us still have morals).

        [i]”As for them dumbing kids down, you should take a look back when these “kinder, gentler” policies were taking place to dumb the kids down. I know, in the case of where I grew up, almost everything was Republican that set law and school policy. So, the Republicans were doing it as well.”[/i]

        Again, legislation does not set school policy.

        Accademia in general has been hi-jacked by CRAZY progressive liberals and THEY are to BLAME as is any and everyone that supports their CRAZY agenda.

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