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Wikileaks and DDoS attacks - some thoughts

By Deadly Ernest ·
I was just reading a CNET article about Wikileaks and it mentions some recent DDoS attacks against Wikileaks. This got me thinking.

Most DDoS attacks are organised by bad guys to cause trouble for companies for financial gain or by hackers who are picking on particular companies that upset them. The only people Wikileaks have upset lately are certain US government bureaucrats and politicians due to them making available documents leaked to them from within the US bureaucracy. It seems the US government can't stop their people doing the leaking, hmm a good story back there somewhere, so they're trying to stop them being made public by a non US citizen on a non US web site.

Now, all of a sudden, Wikileaks is being hit with DDoS attacks. It does make me wonder who is organising them as Wikileaks is NOT the sort of organisation the usual organisers of DDoS attacks will hit. The circumstances makes me wonder if this is a black CIA operation or something similar organised by a US government Agency. If that is so, it then raises the question of this being the first one they've done, or not.

I don't know any answers to these issues, but sure would like to know.

On a related issue, I do find it interesting that certain people in the US power structure aren't upset about the dirty linen these cables represent, but are upset that their dirty linen is being made public. In short, doing bad things is OK as long as they don't get caught and they seek to punish those who publicise the nasty work and not those who did the dirty deeds.

What are your thoughts?

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Fine lines

by JamesRL In reply to Wikileaks and DDoS attack ...

I was ok with Wikileaks releasing the video of the Iraqi journalists being killed by the gunship in a terrible case of mistaken identity, because an injustice had been done and the US government had closed the books and denied any issues.

But to publish all the private messages between diplomats and the state department? How do you expect diplomacy to take place if there isn't trust and if there is no privacy there can be no trust. Sometimes there is a need for private deals to be made.

I do think that the US government can't touch Assange, he is not a US citizen, he didn't committ an act on US soil, or even it seems coerce a US citizen into a crime - he was simply presented the data by a pissed off insider. I may not approve of all the deals done, or all the comments said, but I'd rather there be effective channels for diplomacy than the alternative, where nations argue with guns and butter.

As for the DDOS attacks, it might be possible that the US government wanted the attacks, but surely they wouldn't get their own hands dirty. Similarly the Chinese have been doing similar things in cyberspace, but they always have the excuse that it wasn't government employees doing it, and so they can also say that they take no responsibility, wasn't their idea etc.

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Sort of a tough one.

by seanferd In reply to Fine lines

Like any other process which lacks transparency, certain things are hidden. Things which should see the light of day.

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On The Contrary

by dogknees In reply to Fine lines

There can only be trust where there is complete openness. Perhaps what you mean is that some people won't stand up and accept the consequences of their words and actions. That they don't accept that they are responsible for those consequences. That they want the power but not the personal responsibility for the results. Especially if those outcomes are not what they intended.

These people are making deals on my behalf. I have a right to know what the deals are and why they are being made. Real reason, not spin.

Ultimately what matters most to me is honesty and calling things what they are. Hiding behind diplomatic language is dishonest.

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Disagree stronly

by JamesRL In reply to On The Contrary

Let me make an analogy.

What if you had a relationship with a significant other, and every discussion, argument, disagreement was captured and then shared with your friends, your ex, your parents and your partners family and friends. Do you think that would work out?

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"Where's my frog speech?"

by AnsuGisalas In reply to Disagree stronly

Said Winston, mike open, live broadcast to france.

One problem here is - that the diplomats have "intelligence" on their host country's leadership. They also have certain assessments of same leadership, part of the discourse and repartee they have within their organizations.
And in the discourse and repartee that they share with their host country's diplomats, they have assessments of, and "intelligence" on, the leadership of third party nations.

When they report home, they make reference to all of these, in a not-very-diplomatic way.

It's part of a diplomatic sub-culture... and I'm not entirely sure we should allow that sub-culture to live in total privacy.

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"terrible case of mistaken identity"

by The 'G-Man.' In reply to Fine lines
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I don't know how much of the footage you've seen

by JamesRL In reply to "terrible case of mistake ...

I don't know if I'd go so far as saying the gunner and pilot (and the controllers) deliberately murdered the journalist. But they failed to take the time to properly evaluate and assess the target before shooting. They were not in any danger. I know what my father in law, who had been a major would say, he would have court marshalled the lot.

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They deliberately murdered

by The 'G-Man.' In reply to I don't know how much of ...

the fact is was a journalist involved was by chance and is what got them 'caught'.

Just how many others that did not involve such people and hence swept under the carpet is what I'm thinking.

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by santeewelding In reply to They deliberately murdere ...

And, "murder"...

Straighten out and fly right.

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by AnsuGisalas In reply to "Deliberate"

would love to synthesize an antidote from that.

"It's a case of accidental genocide, what can we do?"

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