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Women, minorities & tech: What the **** do they think?

By jkameleon ·
There seems to be a campaign to lure more women, and minorities into study of math, science, and engineering under way.

http://www.toptechnews.com/story.xhtml?story_id=39197
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/centralphoenix/articles/1209ext-engineers1209Z4.html

Even Clinton stepped in

http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S=4226894&nav=2Ifu

The reason for lack of interest for such study seems to be more or less obvious.

Mathematical, logical, and physical laws are same everywhere, in developed, and undeveloped countries alike. There are smart, innovative people, capable of developing new technologies everywhere. Everyone that finishes study of science & technology must therefore compete against the whole world, from USA & EU, to India, China, and Somalia in who's gonna work cheaper. That's certainly not the way to pay one's bills nor to pay off one's loans. It's only logical, that smart people in developed countries don't want to study math, science, and engineering. It's the question of money and job security, not race or gender.

So, what the **** do the authors of this "get women & minorities into tech" campaign thinking? Do they think, that the said groups are less capable to estimate what's good for them? Do they think, that women or blacks are less aware of their own interests? That they will be easier to lure into seemingly problematic career?

I don't know if it's just me, but the whole thing smells like covert racism. Basically, it says: "Tech is a ****** job, so let's get more ******s to do it", where ****** is a politically incorrect term for this folks

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/reconstruction/section3/section3_01b.html

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Nutters ...

by stargazerr In reply to Women, minorities & tech: ...

Gits. Why does everyone seem to think that women cant get into tech ?? .... Loads of my girl friends are into tech ... and not because we studied at college together ...

I dont care what anyone says ... girls make better techs ... In addition to being a good support, we are more polite, humble and all that jazz ...

]:)

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It's not that gals CAN'T get into tech

by jkameleon In reply to Nutters ...

They dont WANT to get into tech, because they are smarter than guys. :->

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Funny ..

by stargazerr In reply to It's not that gals CAN'T ...

I would have thought it the other way round...

Tech is good ... needs loads of brain cells (more than I have to spare) and is interesting ... I am a girl ... but am I saying something against the women community ??

]:)

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Why not a tech job???

by mjd420nova In reply to Funny ..

I've worked with many female techs and IT people, and find them very skilled and the ladies
make very good software types but have to step
asside for the tech jobs because they can't do the physical parts, ie- crawling under desks
to disconnect cables, lugging 21 inch monitors
off desks and just looking at a big plotter gives them back aches. I don't hold it against them anymore than I look down on a pro football
player they can and I won't. Why, I'm a guy, but not all of us can do that physical of a job.
So what's the problem. We all have a place in the scheme of things, find it and excell and
don't get pushed into a job you don't like or can't do. I worked with a lady who loved the work but couldn't do the physical part, but was
always able to find a big guy to handle that
with a smile. So apply yourself and use all the natural skills you are given and to **** with
those who would have you picking up garbage
instead of washing and dyeing your hair.

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Female Techs Get Dirty, Too -- Don't Get It Twisted

by comp1systems In reply to Why not a tech job???

Who says female techs can't crawl under a desk? Who says
they can't do the physical parts a male tech would do? I
think that's just wrong -- coming from a female who has
been on my hands and knees crawling in and out of tight
spaces, under desks, and carrying computer towers from
one place to another, taking them apart, replacing parts,
and putting them together again, and configuring them so
they run nice and smoothly. I think it's the physical parts
of being a technician that adds to the overall experience of
the know-how, and not leaving all the fun to our male-tech
counterparts.

Give us more credit where credit is due rather than keeping
us in just one area of the computer industry because we're
not just good at software, duh. There?s enough room for
male and female techs. Just because we're girls, doesn't
mean we can't get down to the nitty-gritty of the job as a
technician, and get our hands dirty, and not care if we
break a nail, or mess up our hair, or dirty the knees of our
jeans -- hello...we come prepared -- I know I do. No
offense, but I think it's the "girly-girls" I think would have a
hard time dealing with breaking a nail, getting a snag in
their favorite top, smearing their makeup, and just the
whole idea of heavy labor and the elbow grease of a
technician -- those are the ones you would not find laying
cable for a network setup, crawling under desks to install
adapters, hubs or routers, connecting printers or other
devices that require a little more physical effort. Let's get
real, as well as getting it right. Females who take the trade
seriously can be damn good technicians!

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...But You Do Have a Point

by comp1systems In reply to Why not a tech job???

I admit, not all women are meant to be a technician, nor are
they one to be willing to do a lot of heavy lifting. No they
wouldn't carry a 20 inch monitor -- I would and have.
There are easy ways to getting it to where it needs to go,
but if you don't have that available to you, you get there the
best way you can. I've never been considered a girly-girl
because I like mechanical work like working on cars, fixing
things, putting bicycles together, checking oils and other
fluids of a car -- some even told me I should take up auto
shop -- but never did because my interest always leaned
towards computers. I agree that we should never be
pushed into a job we would not be able to do and never
admitting to the fact that it's impossible. Think of the
problems it could cause in the long run. And even
sometimes applying yourself can be just as overlooked
because an employer will only want you to do the job you
were hired to do and nothing more. I dove into the IT field
because it's what I enjoyed. There were no surveys or polls,
or recruiters who just one day decided this is where I
needed to be. I have a problem with a lot of women who
will rather settle for less than what their getting just to
keep from finding out what they're really made of. Not me!
No sir, not me. I have a daughter. And as a full-time
working mother, I sacrifice what little time I have to being a
technician. I put myself out there so one day I can be a
full-time independent technician, doing what I enjoy the
most. No, I'm happy with my job at the present, but it pays
the bills, keeps a roof over my head, and keeps food on the
table, but I am not settling. I know what my capabilities are
and I think all women who have very little to work with
should come to recognize their full capabilities and
potentials, and work to better their lives. If their natural
skills are all they have to work with, then take it from there.

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...But You Do Have a Point (REVISED)

by comp1systems In reply to Why not a tech job???

I admit, not all women are meant to be a technician, nor are
they one to be willing to do a lot of heavy lifting. No they
wouldn't carry a 20 inch monitor -- I would and have.
There are easy ways to getting it to where it needs to go,
but if you don't have that available to you, you get there the
best way you can. I've never been considered a girly-girl
because I like mechanical work like working on cars, fixing
things, putting bicycles together, checking oils and other
fluids of a car -- some even told me I should take up auto
shop -- but never did because my interest always leaned
towards computers. I agree that we should never be
pushed into a job we would not be able to do and never
admitting to the fact that it's impossible. Think of the
problems it could cause in the long run. And even
sometimes applying yourself can be just as overlooked
because an employer will only want you to do the job you
were hired to do and nothing more. I dove into the IT field
because it's what I enjoyed. There were no surveys or polls,
or recruiters who just one day decided this is where I
needed to be. I have a problem with a lot of women who
will rather settle for less than what their getting just to
keep from finding out what they're really made of. Not me!
No sir, not me. I have a daughter. And as a full-time
working mother, I sacrifice what little time I have to being a
technician. I put myself out there so one day I can be a
full-time independent technician, doing what I enjoy the
most. No, I'm not happy with my job at the present, and I
do feel my boyfriend could do more than what he's doing to
help out financially, but for the time being, my job pays the
bills, keeps a roof over my head, and keeps food on the
table, clothes on my daughter's back, and shoes on her
feet, but I am not settling because I'm working towards
achieving my goals every single day. I know what my
capabilities are and I think all women who have very little to
work with should come to recognize their full capabilities
and potentials, and work to better their lives. If their
natural skills are all they have to work with, then take it
from there.

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Might be right....

by RknRlKid In reply to It's not that gals CAN'T ...

This reminds me of a study that was done about why there are so few women as CEOs of major corporations. Instead of validating the "glass ceiling" idea, it showed that most women who reached that point weren't stopped, they quit. They realized that they did not want to give up their families and lives, and did not want the stress involved in that level of position.

Maybe women are smarter. With the amount of griping (from men!) that is normal on TechRepublic about crappy bosses, crappy hours, lack of ethics, etc etc, why would a woman want to get into IT at all?!?

This is another attempt to force a personal ideology on the population under the guise of "helping" you.

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hey, best of all

by Jaqui In reply to Nutters ...

ya can stuff a girl tech into areas most male techs won't fit, so you don't have to clean up that cabling nightmare in the server room so soon.

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That is a good one ....

by stargazerr In reply to hey, best of all

I do the crawling under tables and lugging about the not so heavy stuff thing ...

But Gentlemen being gentlemen ... they do it, when they are around

]:)

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