Would the real Max please stand up?

While Max and I often disagree when it comes to political issues, I truly respect and admire him as an individual.

His opinions are researched and well reasoned.

I have yet to see a political related posting that does not include links to back-up material.

I seldom have any factual basis to refute Max's conclusions.

Max has his high points because his skills as an IT administrator are second to none.

If anything, my points come from persistence, and a desire to help and learn.I do hope to meet Maxwell in person some day.
So long as we keep the discussion away from politics.

Chas

He always gives some backup material which is even sometimes what he proportes it to be and sometimes says something different if you actually have the time to read all of what he supplies.

He does submit to the Q&A section in a very big way and from my observations is of a great help to quite a few people so he has his good side.

As far as his political views go I don't agree with him but I will fight to the death to allow him to have his opinion as it is his right and I do actually enjoy some of his postings especially when he attacks me as it makes me think and provide a better answer which isn't what he want's to see or hear but's again thats his right.

But the one thing that I can't understand is how he has so much time to doall that he does at TR and still hold down a full time job but I suspose that he is simply brilliant so I can learn a lot from him even if I do tend to disagree with some of his views but these are mainly of the political variety so theres no big deal there anyway.

Now isn't this going to upset poor old Max that I actually like him.

There are some messages that just suck me in and demand a reply from me. The following is one such message.

https://www.techrepublic.com/forumdiscuss/thread_detail.jhtml?thread_id=126074&message_id=759324

Or (For those who don’t know how to remove the space that magically appears in pasted URLs.)

http://tinyurl.com/b72i

I guess I got the Oz man a little ruffled under his chicken feathers.

If the man from Oz only had a brain, not only would he have refrained from posting sucha message (the same message could have had a different delivery), but he also should have expected that it would undoubtedly stir up some emotional replies. Sure, you have the right to your opinion – even if it’s different than mine – and you can express that opinion however, whenever, and wherever you please. But I, in turn, should be afforded the same consideration. I’ve conversed with quite a few fine folks with whom I’ve disagreed. And yes, there have been enough jabs thrown around here to deflate a punching bag. But most people have been man enough to take it for what it really was. Too bad you don’t fit into that category, as you seem to be the first one knocked to the canvas by such jabs.

(continued...)

There are few things on this forum that I will not condone. I have started my fair share of battles and I have never been afraid to speak my mind. Oz you have just done something I cannot condone. It is one thing to attack someone inside the context of a thread; that is expected. But to call someone out on a thread meant to bash that very person? That is weak.
Max has been a tireless advocate of TR and its people. He has done many good things for many people and has never asked for anything in return. I understand that he can be vehememnt about his beliefs, that is not being close minded, that is drawing a line and defending that position. I admire Max for this he is a top shelf contributor and a staunch supporter of the United States and her citizenry. I myself will not always agree with his view, nor he with mine, that is the right of a forum that is a forum and that is what debate is all about. Anyone that would bash max has most likely gotten their ass handed to them by him. As you see here his primary target in the last 3 months, Colin, has even come to his defense. That should tell you something. I too would like to meet him in person some day and I am not afraid to discuss anything with him, I think I can holdmy own.

The only thing this thread will accomplish is to get people to admit that Max is not a bad guy. SO since you have had your ass handed to you by max I can only think this was an attempt to hand him his. I think you will find this will not work as you planned.

-duck

Having been layed off because I pride myself, in respect to technology on definition and sustain support and the need to offer effecive & supportive educational platforms. I prefer to frame with explicitness the idea or story on play. I do have defined ideas and concepts but it has only been my objectiveness that has allowed me to acquire the knowledge and skills that I demonstrate to you. I am in reality they most "non closed individual" you'll probably ever meet. I cannot go to the bar and chat with just anyone. So, the Intenet is my key to present intellecttual survival since I like to communicate.

I love to discuss and a great passion for the ICT sector. Without the face, precision is a necessity to drive the discussion forward in ahealthy way.

If you have something to say bring it forward, the aim must be to conclude. That conclution cannot always be black or white.

TSP

Here's what I believe is wrong about Max:

He doesn't care enough about his blood pressure.

He won't let the idiots bury themselves, he has to keep loaning them new shovels, with upgrade protection to backhoes.

He should care more for his eyesight and stop staring at the monitor. [Insert blink NOW]

And for a good note:

Max is analagous to his beloved USA in that he stands tall, and takes more shots because of it.

No I didn't try to discredit Mr. Edison, read it again, then read it again.
I also didn't say that Mr. Edison 'needed a brain' (Very witty Max, I'll write it down).

People seem to read one line from a post, form an opinion (similar to evryone elses if you actualy read them)and rant defensively. This defensive and misunderstood way of thinking causes one country to go to war against another.

People need to spend more time thinking about WHY people say things and WHAT they are saying.
Mr. Edison has been a great help to many people in this site and is an asset to what has got to be one of the top ten tech support sites on the net. I didn't discredit Mr. Edison for his achievements, nor did I say he was dumb. To which his rebuttal is "get a brain?", (again, well said, I can forgive ignorance before stupidity). We are both entitled to our political views as are all of you. Just don't jump on the "Me too" bandwagon, it is a conformist's weakness that only governments benefit from.

Everyone rants about free speech and the right to voice YOUR opinion, so voice it, don't just join the masses. This can be seen at any race track and costs 'the sheep' lots of money, just ask a jockey. Who do you think creates a long shot? Sheep of course.

This forum usually poses decent questions, unlike this post, and I respect almost everyone's opinion when formed individually.

It is interesting to see nothing but negative thought processes so close to the end of the Iraqi takeover(sorry, The Free Iraq campaign). Maybe some Americans do have a valid opinion but are simply scared to voice it due to fear of non-conformity.

Just keep in mind, when the rest of the world doesn't agree with the US, it doesn't make them unpatriotic, backstabbers. It is simply another voice to be heard, just don't forget to listen next time.

I have posted my feelings in regards to my lay-off on TR. I am documenting so many ideas and concepts that I cannot always stay ahead. The Internet is the world re-created (opinionated). So you can apply the same rules but only similar by nature. Sothat that is now virtual for me.

If I can, I?ll help. Let?s keep an open mind.

By the way, for the doubters, I am 35. Go to Google.com and search ?Reets Andrew?. Yes, that?s I, not the dove :-). I can tell you that combining sport and the speed at which I like to assimilate info. (Within my capabilities), truly helps acceleration.

TSP

I read the original post, then I even read it again just to humor OZ...

To start:

"So, why don't you share your experiences and opinions toward the great Mr. Edison and his broad minded, professional debating abilities."

You say that we're all falling in line, though what you asked for we are providing... So, please further explain what it is that you are asking for.

Are you upset because those above have posted their support for such a strong asset to this community??? Or were you hoping that all of us would bad mouth Mr. Edison and jump on YOUR bandwagon???

Personally, I can say this much. When I first started to read Maxwells posts. I thought he was an arrogant jerk. Then I REALLY started to pay attention to what it was that he had to say. I began to realize that at time, yes he can be arrogant, but he's not a jerk. He's actually quite an admirable man. I strive to grow and develop many of the qualities that he has.

Not only will he debate his point, but he will also give fact WITH proof! Instead of just saying it, he gives you links to educate those that are ignorant on the topic at hand. I have learned a lot from this man.

To sit here and listen to you try to smugly tarnish his name is quite appauling. Oz - I don't know anything about you, and this is the first post of yours I've read, but I can see this much so far. You are either still in High School, or you still belong there. And this coming from me is not a compliment, as I still belong there, but I feel much more mature than you compared to the rubbish you blew into this fine website.

I wish you (Max) hadn't referred to the "Arse & Elbow" thing, because it kind of detracts from the nice things I am about to say:

1. I am fully aware that Max has the second highest Tech Points score.

2. Although we often lock horns, Max always remains the gentleman and answers me politely.

3. Agree or disagree, his contributions always keep the discussions interesting.

4. He is very patriotic, and I have no argument with that.

Here's my reasoning:

Again -

"So, why don't you share your experiences and opinions toward the great Mr. Edison and his broad minded, professional debating abilities."

We are sharing our experiences and our opinions here. I just don't think that you are liking what you are seeing.

You posted something that appears to be quite negative towards Maxwell. What did you expect. To see his friends sit down and let it happen??? That's not how things work. People are supposed to stick together. If one of us is kicked, we all are.

So now that you've tried to quiz us, let me quiz you???

Was your point proven in your office and did you get your jollies out of it???

You see - you say you picked Maxwell out of a hat due to his high score. Don't you realize that if you would have picked anyone for this type of fickle project that we would stand at arms??? It just so happens that you picked one of the really wrong people to pick hence the large outcry.

As for saying we're basically all machines just filling the mold - come on now. Don't you think standing up and voicing your opinion as was done here shows a little individuality??? I have found that the mold of most people is that they are straight up cowards and are afraid to voice their opinions no matter how strongly they feel about it.

Here's something to think about that I think is fitting here... It really falls into play - it was a bumper sticker on a car I saw the other day. It stated: Voice your opinion, even if your voice shakes. That basically is a huge statement to everyone. Stand up and say what you believe, don't be afraid as most people are.

We are voicing ourselves, there is no mold here.

I'm not really sure what the benefit of this post is. Normally I don't participate in such dribble, but you attacked (from the incoherency that I read) a peer of mine, whom over the years I have respected.

If you and max have been healthily debating, then fine. But why drag the rest of the forum into this?

Like Max, i've been on this forum since it basically began. I've never known him to be rude or demeaning, at least not to those who did not deserve it.

There is a small group of us who were here before you and we will still be here after you are gone. So deal with it.

Unlike some people who hide behind inaccessible aliases, Maxwell has a readily accessible email address, and if you had the brains/guts/commonsense/courtesy to express your feelings directly to him, you may even have received a polite reply.

While it is not uncommon for a bit of name-calling to occur within a general discussion, to actually start a discussion purely for this purpose would seem to be in poor taste, to say the least.

Whilst I am quite a newcomer to these discussions, it is quite obvious to me that you have well and truly crossed a line that, while not defined in as many words, is pretty easy to tune into.

Words can’t express my gratitude after reading the kind words written in this thread.

I don’t know the real intent behind the message that started it all, but there’s no mistaking the intent behind the replies. Since I’m at such a loss for words, I’ll borrow ones written by a person (and people) that I admire:

What would you think if I sang out of tune
Would you stand up and walk out on me
Lend me your ears and I'll sing you a song
And I'll try not to sing out of key

Oooh I'll get by with a little help from my friends
Oooh I'll get high with a little help from my friends
Oooh I'll get by with a little help from my friends

Many thanks,

Maxwell

You need to seriously grab a lie and stick to it. You have professed to be quite a few things so lets pick one and roll with it. One thing I have never seen or heard your intended mark do is say something that was untrue.
The next time you want to try one of your experiments with your little highschool buddies, come up with a better ploy. To display the band of brothers attitude you should try to attack a common belief or goal or community. That is psyche 101, have you had that yet or are you just now getting hair in strange places. See by attacking one of the brothers directly you are getting a non conditioned response due to an emotional need to defend ones "own" that is RL 101.
I have put you out of my mind because I have been around the block a couple of times and I have seen so many wannabes in every aspect. Guess what you are not even a wannabe, you are a never gonnabe and that makes me laugh best. Keep it up post all you want it is not a group of followers here, This is America kid and if you think the European sect is so individualistic I ask you to kindly look at the current state of the world and see who emulates whom. Nice Levi's you're wearing.

Sit down drink some windex and shut the hell up.

-duck

It is irrelevant but people seem to doubt that somebody could be proficient at more than one thing. This is not an American way of thinking at all, the reason so many people came to America, yes your parents or grandparents probably aren't American, is because of opportunity.
In Germany if your dad is a middle class bricklayer, you'll probably end up as a middle class bricklayer. In North America, your dad could be a middle class bricklayer yet you have the ability and resources to become a white collar millionaire.
So, who am I ? A 34yr old male who grew up in a sales and marketing background. I got bored of the office and decided to be a mechanic, 4 years later I was a fully licenced mechanic.
Sick of tired and sore muscles at theend of the day, I entered the IT industry and studied to get my Master CNE certification. While in school, I DJ'd at a local club for ectra spending money, this is where I hooked up with producers and promoters in the music industry and found I hadthe ability to sign and promote bands. With the hideous American music industry, I started promoting Canadian and US bands (mostly L.A) into the European market where there is greater freedom of expression. This took off and I opened my US office.
I am currently working with a Canadian band who is best suited for and selling well in the US. They laugh that they can write and produce almost anything and it will sell now, whether they feel it is any good or not. This is also why I don't understand how American's feel so patriotic towards a country with so much peer pressure to assimilate others. American's aren't bad people, I never said they were, but how can you be so patriotic with a government that offers poor education, horrible medical support and so much hatred towards other countries that don't comply with their train of thought.

ON another note, although this is a global forum you seem to feel it is American;

"Keep it up post all you want it is not a group of followers here, This is America kid"
MallardtooXX

"and if you think the European sect is so individualistic Iask you to kindly look at the current state of the world and see who emulates whom. Nice Levi's you're wearing."
MallardtooXX (Sorry but I don't even know where to find Levis in London.)

"Yes, that's true - very polite and articulate indeed!!!!"
mrafrohead

( "If the man from Oz only had a brain,")

(What would you think (do) if I sang out of tune
Would you stand up and walk out on me
Lend me your ears and I'll sing you a song
And I'll try not to sing out of key

Oooh I'll get by with a little help from my friends
Oooh I'll get high with a little help from my friends
Oooh I'll get by with a little help from my friends)

Maxwell Edison
Very articulate and polite. uh......yeah.
Maybe in Elementary school.

But all punches aside, I see that you (Maxwell) have achieved many goals and certifications (certs are pretty useless these days but I don't want to defame personal achievements.) Although you have strayed from what your peers consider, eloquent, articulate and professional, my aim was not to target you but to see how many people would go to bat for you as a respected peer.
I also understand that these people take what you say as true (not to say it isn't) but who's to say that you aren't a 300 pound woman,living in Iraq? But that is another amusing pyschology topic itself.

Thanks all for your interesting input, I hope I haven't offended anyone personally.
Again, if you read my initial post, you should see, I didn't call Maxwell any names, nor did I discredit his achievements.

Guess it's back to work now, you can really crap away a lot of time on this board.

I wonder if the executive producer of Oz Media Group knows how her company is being represented to the largest media market in the world?

(Maybe I shouldn't have deleted all that contact information from this message - names, addresses, phone numbers, email adresses. But then, on the other hand, they are rather easy to find - should anyone be so inclined.)

This letter was written to the editor of the main newspaper of my birthplace, Sarnia, Ontario.

I was born in Sarnia in 1951 and moved to the United States in 1954. I joined the United States Army in 1970 during the Viet Nam War as a Canadian citizen and did not flee to Canada like many of the cowards in my country did, even though I had a valid Canadian passport. In 1992 I became an American citizen.

It was at that time that I started to realize the depth and range of the anti-American sentiment of many of the Canadian people. I had always believed that we were good neighbors but I was becoming aware that this was not the case.

Because of my Canadian roots, I'm frequently asked to comment on the reasoning behind the anti-American attitudes of many Canadians.

Many people here believe that the current attitude is a result of the impending war in the Middle East and that it is a fashionable position to take; much like your European allies. However, I know that this pervasive attitude transcends this particular conflict. This perception and animosity is much older than the current situation.

We hear about your peace rallies and protests-but never hear any viable solutions or alternatives.

We have heard you "boo" anddisrespect our national anthem at hockey games and other sporting events.

We have heard your elected officials call our President a" moron" and most recently,one of your Members of Parliament commented that she "hated those American bastards."

Well do you know how this Canadian/American bastard explains it? I tell them that Canadians(for the most part) are jealous of our prosperity,our power and our world influence. I tell them Canada has emulated European Socialists and abrogated your freedoms and wealth to the government and yet you can't understand why you haven't prospered or are held at any level of esteem by any nation, with the possible exception of France.

I tell them that the Canadians have inhabited North America for as long as we have and possess natural resources greater than ours, yet they have produced nothing of any worth; in fact they are out produced by S. Korea.

You cannot design your own automobiles(you take ours and put Canadian names on them), computers, semi-conductors, consumer electronics, etc. You have never liberated any countries from tyranny. What are your accomplishments for your 200 plus years? Canadian bacon and Molsons, eh?

You benefit from your proximity to the United States and thecommonality of language (Quebec excepted) in terms of security, freedom and commodities that you purchase here with your semi-worthless currency.

This American bastard is really sick of the whining and the insults. I'm proud to be an American citizen and ashamed of the country of my birthplace for their continued condemnation of the United States.

There is a profound need for a world super-power and those of you who believe in God should thank Him that a country as benevolent, powerful and as influential as ours is that super power.

You should also ask yourselves what country can best direct global peace and liberty? France? Germany? Russia? China? Canada?

You might also ask yourselves what your life would be like without the achievement, technologies, freedoms and sacrifices provided by "those American bastards" to your south.

THat is my point exactly. the weak seem to assimilate what they fel is a strength to make themselves feel accepted. FEAR of rejection.
I don't care if you like me, it means absolutely NOTHING to me. I don't care if your fellow citizens feel I amleft wing or full of crap. I have nothing to prove to America, I just spend your money.
I have NO interest in your country nor do I wish to socialize with the people there.
My point is that for a country full of patriotic citizens who say that America is the land of the free, your must be delusional. You intoned that people wear certain clothing to fit in to a chosen peer group. My point, jump on the bandwagon, be accepted and everything is OK.
Sounds like freedom to me, you better stay there.

If you are correct in thinking that I work with the Ozmedia Group I challenge you to send them an email and pick thier brains.
I don't work for OzMedia, I own and operate an artist promotion/management company.
You must have got some of that fancy book ejumacashun from the most literate country's educational system right?
The problem with American schools, other than the fact that grade 6 students are taught grade 3 material is that they only focus on american history and The American Way. The result is a nation full of iliterates who feel they have all the facts and America is the strongest country bar none, so you better watch out.
Get a life.

Unless you are a child, which explains your inability to voice an opinion without the "hey guys" attitude, your are a gleaming example of the crappy school system that your cuntry reolves around.
Yet again, the more idiots the schools churn out, the bigger the army becomes. If you can't get a job, join the US Army, they'll give you a proper education in killing the weaker ones.
Wasn't it the brilliant marine, who after killing 5 Iraqi citizens who were peacfully contained by UK soldiers for two weeks, who so proudly stated "we were taught to fight, not keep peace". Oh please, would you come and police our country too.
Your continued posts in this dicussion just enforce the point that America treats it citizens like shite and the citizens love it.
P.S. Don't forget to email this said OzMedia Group that I work for, I'm sure your information will amuse them to no end, especially if it comes from your brain.

Im sure that he would be amused.
I am under a 4 month contract with one of Canada's largest telephone companies as a chief technology and marketing officer. That measns that as an ISP ourselves, bandwidth isn't a concern. If Harry Klein works here, I welcome you to submit your comments. Just don't be surprised if he calls you a Yankee redkneck yahoo because he's never heard of me.
You guys are just gettnig weaker and weaker in your stupid little attempts at threatening rebuttals. I am really getting bored of your opinion, I was proven wrong in this article as I told the staff here that you weren't all that anal and magazine articles should be taken with a grain of salt. Bottom line, idiot.
Give me your worst, if it is anything like your attempt at war with Vietnam you'll soon relize your just a little tiny man with a big mouth and nothing to back it. Better still, show your true colors and start ranting as you've so eloquently done before, loser.

Ok, Duck now you have gone a pissed off a duel citizen (kind of anyhow). Canadians are not leeches, in fact we contribute as much as the US in different ways. Some ways not quite in alignment with the US policy, in others backing the US policy fully. Both countries have policies that are not always favorable, but in most cases they will stand behind each other. Iraq is an exception, but that thread has been beaten to death. FACT: Canadian Peace Officers carry firearms, it?s the Bobbies in England that do not.

We will agree on ozmedia, waste of time and waste of skin. If he keeps up his rants, the next words out of his mouth will be ? would you like fries with that??

Sullyman?.

I'll answer this last post and then I'll let you guys sing and dance that you "beat Canada" once again. LOL.
As I have said before but you can't get it into your miniscule mind, this is not a purely American board. Just like everything else in theworld, you think you should all be in charge, way to go America. Other country's could really benefit from your astute knowledge of the way the world SHOULD be run.
Yes I am from London. Yes I did move, although hot yesterday. I do travel back and forth at least three times a year due to my work. I know it is hard for an Anmerican to understand that there is a world outside of the US but I'm sure you don't go to England because Americans are not well received there, or Germany, or Sweden, or France, or Italy or Brazil or Australia. (This is where you say how crappy all those countries are and how they wouldn't exist without America.)
Canadians on the other hand are accepted with open arms in any country I've visited. Just put a Canadian flag on your luggage and you're in for some true hospitality.
Time to go swim in your little pond and lead all the other little ducklings around in circles, like this post has done for days and your cunt-ry has done for years. Maybe you arejust pissed because the Africans you abducted from their homes and brought over to build your little pile of dirt finally woke up and said no more.
Super Power Country my ass, what a weak and spineless culture you all have.
Time to go and inflitrate some other poor third world country so you can look big (only to yourselves of course) again. If it wasn't for stupid people like yourself, your citizens might have actually gained the respect of people other than Americans.

Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. Keep digging, you ask of me? Well, okay. If you insist.

Whether you work out of the Abbotsford office or the Annacis office, a well worded email to info@natgtelecom.com might produce some interesting results.

Or perhaps one to jobs@natgtelecom.com might reach a human resources manager without a sense of humor.

Or to prevent an untimely email "intercept", a snail mail to:

Annacis Sales Office
9-1585 Cliveden Ave.
New Westminster,B.C. V3M-6M1

or phone call to:

Ph: 604.526.2129

Fax: 604.526.5972

How long do you think it would take me to get the name of the company CEO? (Maybe I already have it.) How long do you think it would take for me to post it?

You bettershut up. You are really begining to piss me off.

...where to send my magical get thin, rich and attractive pill, right?

How about this easy 3 step program instead - free of charge, no less.

1. Eat Less, move more.

2. Wealth is measured by the quality of your friendships - so be nice.

3. Real beauty lies within. If you think attractive, you'll be attractive.

You're welcome.

(P.S. Send me an email if you want me to dig into anything else.)

Max, he doens't work for NATG, or he wouldn't have referred to it as "Northern Telecommunications" - he would have said "North American Telecommunications" then.

Unless he's less intelligent than that for which you have given him credit.

Not only were the lyrics incorrect, they were the version sung by Joe Cocker.

Me.Edison, send all the email you like. If you do get the right company , which you don't yet, the email links ALL go to my desk first for security filtering.

Tracetools are old, easily fooled and inacurate.
Why would I use accurate info if I manage my own ISP services?

The lyrics I posted were exactly as Sir Paul wrote them. (With a little help from his friends, of course.) Joe Cocker, who made a career recording his own versions of other people's songs (and he did it quite well, by the way) changed the lyrics slightly. (Such as "do" instead of "think".) When I use lyrics, I always use the writer's version. Look it up, and you'll discover that I'm right.

Here, have a little help (from your "friends").

http://www.thebeatles.com.hk/lyrics/lyrics.asp?lyTitle=With+A+Little+Help+From+My+Friends

(Don't forget about that elusive little space.)

And I love it when I get the last laugh - especially one as good as this. Good luck intercepting the snail mail from the bosses desk. (Maybe you can "service" the kid in the mail room.)

It's now time for me to sit down.

I'm outta' here .......

"(Somehow, I think the most posts will be from Mr.Edison himself)."

Looks like another mark missed.

I will keep this response short. I don't always have much to say in this forum, but I have been a regular here for a couple years now.

I respect Maxwell Edison, and would like to continue reading his insights into whatever topics come up here. At least he can keep his story straight, and provides supporting links to his arguments. In the cases where I don't agree with him or his link (which has been extremely rare), I have been able to come up with supporting information that I verify personally. Does this mean I think he's always right? No. But I do think he's a well educated person, and I respect his opinion.

As far as the lyrics... Does it really matter if they were exact? He got his point across.

Referring to the scratching and clawing of this thread:
The views expressed by OzMedia are not necessarily those of Rickydoo, or Candaians in general.
The attacks on Canadians and Canada will not be dignified with a reply be me, as they were obviously incited by the postings of the above mentioned joker.
The apology by MallardtooXX is accepted with grace and humility. But could you capitalise Canada please?
Now, will the real OzMedia please shut up so we can more easily navigate the pertinent information.

I'll concede that a majority of Americans aren't the ones who would carry the nation in that case. However, neither would you carry yours.

The few of our great minds still number enough to fend off those of most of the rets of the world. Especially when you focus us as you are doing now.

I've read, on TR and off, about you enough to know this.

Cease.

Is that your way of telling me to stop posting?
or are you simply saying that you have had your say and have nothing more to offer in this loooooong thread that doesn't seem to go away.
If the latter, I agree.
You do say that you've read enoughto know about me now, again, this is merely a single website in which I have admittedly posted very biased comments to what I SEE as very biased, destructive and uneducated thought processes.
You're right, this thread is old and tired, as I now feel too. I'll agree to disagree and perhapse we can share ideas in a more constructive, less political forum. If we all agreed on politics we would only have one country in the world. nuff said, thanks for your input.

I called you the racist, ya bigot.

Re-read your posts and you'll start to catch what I'm talking about.

Mrafrohead

I think I'll simply answer your redundant post about racism.
1) My country never overthrew a middle east country that had zero defense ability. No don't read the assumptions of WMD and germ warfare, just remember how much resistance the Marines were up against, virtually none. Boy Scouts would have done an effective job. To date, no WMD found, so drop it, you were wrong.

2) I live in a multicultural country that allows people from other countries to start a new life, not end the one they have. My best friend is East Indian and married to a Chinese girl who I think is wonderful.

The only racism in my blood is toward the many (yet not all) American's who feel America is the world and selfishly declare themselves the almighty super power and want to police the rest of the globe, get stuffed and F-OFF!
You have faced two major attacks on American soil, Pearl Harbour and the WTC tragedy. In both cases, you were shit kicked with your pants down. I won't even enertain the thought of responding to your pathetic little attempts at glory anymore, you are a weak, pathetic and useless voice. Go cut your F'in hair and get a life.

Your debating skills are in need of refinement, and at the end of the day it wouldn?t surprise me to find out if you are a high school student doing some sort of ?Pay it Forward? experiment. Mrafrohead called YOU a racist, and you respond with yourview of OUR country?s world affairs. You are beginning to loose credibility.

Now, to correct you on your number 1 statement

Actually you are wrong, Canada was more that willing to join the coalition in Afghanistan, and continues to do so.

And Number 2

Yes, we do live in a multicultural country and yes people can start a new life here in Canada. But, at the end of the day they need to become 100% Canadian. That is ending the one that they have.

And your American Rant

In a different thread, in a different tone, in a well written way I might have actually supported some of your views ( not the racism comment mind you ). But, your total lack of credibility and written conversational skills is becoming bothersome, and boring.

Sullyman in Canada

"Now, to correct you on your number 1 statement

Actually you are wrong, Canada was more that willing to join the coalition in Afghanistan, and continues to do so."

Thank you for your highly educational post that finally makes me see the light. Your examples are inspiring.In today's Province (local newspaper) there was a Canaidan that had just returned from being with his father in Iraq during the war. He has said that there is little or no support or medical attention available and isasking Canadians to support the Canadian Division of The Red Cross by sending food, common medical supplies and clothing so that the Canadian Red Cross can help the survivors of this devastating war. So you are right, Canada is backing the war, by HELPING the Iraqi citizens to recover from the attack.

"And Number 2

Yes, we do live in a multicultural country and yes people can start a new life here in Canada. That is ending the one that they have."
My family has lived here for 17 years, me off and on and back and forth from US to England to Canada. When I was in hospital, the Canadian government helped support my family, when my son was unemployed he received welfare (I'm not too keen on that one)and when we are ill, my BC Medical covers most of the costs.
Your statement, "But, at the end of the day they need to become 100% Canadian." I just don't understand. What do you receive that I can't, and why? I'm NOT a Canadian citizen, nor is my wife, however my children are.

There is a huge difference between Iraq and Afghanistan, you made the statement that Canada has never been involved in overthrowing a middle eastern country. We have been, and continue to do so in Afghanistan. Obviously you are not a Canadian citizen, because Geography is one of skills that we teach our children. If you are going to make such a blatantly wrong statement, then be man enough to admit you are wrong.

The scary thing about what you mention about what YOU are entitled to as alanded immigrant, are all the social assistance benefits. Not a mention about anything else other than what you GET!! Canada is more about giving, than getting??

You mention that you have lived in the US and England, but in a previous post you mention that Canada allows you to start a new life. The US didn?t let you live there? Or England? So you were living in both illegally?

I was mad at the fact that I thought that a Canadian was making those statements, but now I am mad because people actually think that you are representing a Canadian view. When in fact you are a gypsy, and will probably be spewing anti-Canada sentiment when you pack up and leave next week for your next country.

Sullyman

No, he lied. I guess we can add that to the list; bigot, liar, racist.

What next?

Oz - You know...

I'm going to show you how you just showed your racism all in one sentence.

Shave my fuzzy little head huh??? Wouldn't you like to know, that I'm actually a white male with an almost shaved head.

Ouch - now that's gotta hurt. You look at my nick and assume I'm something I'm not and make all of the racially motivated comments regarding it.

Well you've just been X'd man. You are wrong, and you can not take it back. Ever hear of "Social Engineering"??? Well welcome to the game, cuz I just set you up for a HUGE fall. And you fell harder than I thought you would. It wasn't hard to get you to show your true colors.

As for my comment to YOU about YOUR problem, I am talking to YOU, NOT the country that you are living in. Sullyman, sure as hell saw that, why can't you?

Also - you state that you're thirty four, yet you have a kid on the unemployment system over there?? How is that possible, what were you sixteen when you had your kid?

You know, it's funny. I keep thinking to myself, I'm done with this thread. But Oz - you're such a clown, you just keep drawing me back to it.

I'd like to thank you for making my day better than it was to start with. If I wasn't able to watch someone fallon their face as hard as you just did, I'da never gotten out of that slump that I was in.

So thanks Oz - looks like you're good for something after all ;)

Mrafrohead

Mrafrohead - If you think that what you have "cleverly" uncovered is considered Social Engineering, read The Blue Nowhere (all techs should actually it's a good read).

First - I was 17 when my son was born. Like many people I found myself with apregnant girlfriend while in high school. The difference is I stood up and took the responsibility of support.

Second - I have NEVER implied that you weren't white. You indicate your 'fro' in your alias, probably because you are a baggy pant wearing little Eminem wannabe punk and wish to seem intelligent. Personally, I couldn't care less.

P.S. I never hide my true colors, if you think I'm an asshole, you're probably right. People think of me what I want them to think.

Sullyman, sullyman where can you be? Your attitude says Toronto but I really couldn't give a damn.

1st) "as a landed immigrant, are all the social assistance benefits. Not a mention about anything else other than what you GET!! Canada is more about giving, than getting??"

I am a landed immigrant to Canada with permanent residence staus. My company is taxed, I am forced to pay GST, my wife pays tax and so do my children. Why wouldn't I be entitled to the same benefits that you or any other Candian is?

2nd)"you have lived in the US and England, but in a previous post you mention that Canada allows you to start a new life"
Visit BC, you will see a massive number of Asians, East Indians, Europeans, Phillipino's etc. that have moved here, and started a new life.
I moved here because my father was employed in Nova Scotia at one time.

3rd)" The US didn?t let you live there? Or England? So you were living in both illegally?"
You may have learned Canadian Geography but seem to have no knowledge of the immigration laws.
I lived in the US for a while, California and Oregon as I was building my business there. Canada welcomed me with open arms asa commonwealth country, remember singing God Save The Queen in school? In Nova Scotia we had a picture of the Queen in every classroom.

You guys are now free to post yuor "Social Engineering" feats, racism accusations and other colorful remarks, but keep in mind, they fall on deaf ears now. I'm going camping.

In response, paragraph by paragraph:

Considering, I saw a sign of it, verified it and then steered you into what I was looking for, and you didn't seem to catch what I was doing. I'd say it was mildly clever. I mean, I gotcha... As for the book - I'll give it a read. Nething new to learn is a good thing;)

As for the next line. I can't knock on that one. I'm actually quite impressed - as it seems to me lately, MOST men walk the other direction. So on that aspect - Kudos.

The nextone - Yes, you have made multiple references to me in a different light according to the type of person you automatically thought you were talking too. Though you did say I wasn't white, you did make references that I wouldn't say, as I don't believe in the types of things that you sure as hell appear to. If you don't believe it, go look at your posts again. You'll see it. As for Eminem, I love his music. Doesn't mean I wanna be like him though. It just feels good blowing through my stereo. Though my true vice is hard core techno. Oh yeah, I wear a belt too. Gotta have something to attach my chain to. And you think I sound intelligent??? Well that's a nice little compliment, since I sometimes wonder, hehehahah... But then again, I guess I should consider the source.

Last one - if you make people think what they want to think, then you ARE hiding your true colors. If you weren't, people would see you for what you really are, and not what you want them to see.

You know, the more I think about this thread, the more it's like a bad car accident. I am sick of waiting in traffic, don't care to see what's there, but at the same time, I just can't seem to stop myself from looking. It's actually becoming quite humorous. My daily dose of comedy.

Mrafrohead