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Alright, here is the situation. Here lately it seems that we all are griping about management. Now I know this is a legitimate gripe and I do it too. The question I pose here is this. What changes when you move into management? What makes you the SOB that everyone hates. How do you go from Bob the funny guy in the next cubicle to VP Bob the dillhole everyone hates. I think it is interesting and I wonder this often. Some managers seem to retain their humanity until they are forced to dispense some sort of decision that the employees do not like. You all know the axiom of too many cooks. Well in management it is anything to keep the comany rolling. I jsut wonder what you all think...I am not looking for a flame fest, just opinionsthat you people garner. Thanks

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by oldefar

Group dynamics are interesting.

For the person moving into management, he now has a different peer group to relate to. In many instances, he has lost his secure self-image as well. Now he is the low man on the totem pole in the new peer group.Reaction is often to act based on how he thinks his peers expect him to rather than as he used to. His personal experience with managers heavily influences how he acts as well, regardless of what he thought about those managers.

For his former peers, they no longer see him as one of us but as one of them. He now has power over them (real or imagined). Trust evaporates until a new relationship is established. Some members of the group will be inclined to challenge his new authority in an attempt to maintain or increase their position in their group hierarchy.

An organization with a people oriented culture will mentor the new manager both prior to and after his role change. Organizations without this culture will not, and his success as a leader will be based on his character and prior experiences with other business leaders.

I suspect managers who demand blind obedience to assumed policies and those who?s standard response to any perceived questioning of their decisions is ?Because I said so?, are the managers who were left to develop without any guidance and with poor role models to choose from.

by mrafrohead

I think that the problems arise because the managers begin to take things the wrong way and get a big head. Although what causes that to happen, I don't know.

I do know though, when I was a manager for a business. I was always told I was the most liked of the rest of them. I was really basic about things. I used to work in an auto shop and managed four mechanics. I would take in the cars and set up the work orders and then assign it to the appropriate person. I had only two rules. 1. I don't care what you are doing as long as you aren't hurting anyone and the customers cant see it. 2. You best make sure you finish your work on time if you're screwing around.

I liked treating them fair. I never asked them to do something thatI wouldn't do. EVER!

They really liked that mentality. I NEVER had a problem with them. And they would always stick around after the day to help me finish up my work that needed to be done, where they would just leave the other managers with it.

My mentality on that type of attitude I used was basically because I thought about what I didn't like with management I had to deal with before. I liked the approach and thought that it was fair for both parties. And it worked VERY well.

Ithink that managers that are not very good at it, basically are stuck in their power trip and maybe scared of failing. So they just dictate to everyone. They soon begin to forget what it was like on the receving end, and begin to turn into what they used to dispise (despise)?? can't remember the spelling...

Maybe it should be written into law that all management type personel are required to watch Office Space at LEAST once a year to get a refresher on life in Corporate America...

Mrafrohead

by jkaras

I too once joined the ranks of middle management in retail and was confused as you are. Everyone has a high self opinion and desire to be in charge or feel they are just as worthy or should of gotten the "job". However, not everyone applies themselves to it and expect management to offer said job, it's just human nature. Also now you have power over them and now "not one of the guys" even if it's soo little power. When it happened to me I got alienated and management kept telling me I'm one of them now (management) and I need to distant myself to be objective that my feelings would cloud my judgement. At times I fell into the trap, but when I saw unfairness by management I thwarted their every attempt at the expense of my career with the company, despite my productive enhancements to company. In the end the people that thought I sold out saw my true colors but their was still the "distance" till I got fired for meddling too much. Out of all of it I learned many things about myself andto this day I'm proud of the way I handled myself, because that future I was banking on with that company wouldn't have lasted due to now declining business and tactics that I hear from others that are still employed.

by mallardtooxx

I have noticed something in the last few threads all three of you have stopped at one point and looked at the bigger picture. Mrafrohead it just hit you in the last day or so and To you I say Bravo you have taken a step toward true happiness. Jkaras I think you and I are in a similar boat in life I just see a lot of similar attitudes exuded in your opinions, it is best to hold back the complete truth here and you have found your step. And Olde you are a steady voice in every thread you hit.I just want to thank all three of you for not allowing the rest of this place cloud your thoughts about issues. It takes character to stand up and say I disagree and to that I Tip my hat Thanks guys

by mrafrohead

@MallardtooXX

If you only knew what it meant to hear what you said... Thank You!!

Mrafrohead

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If y'all get a chance, come visit me sometime! It'd be fun to sitdown and have a "talk";)

by reality check

A poor parent doesn't know how to balance being a teacher (disciplinarian sometimes) and being a friend. Likewise, a poor manager has trouble balancing wanting to be everyone's friend and having to make hard decisions.
The way I've kept that balance is like this:
I know that there's decisions that I'm going to have to make sometimes that are not going to please everyone under me so I also have to accept the fact that I'm going to have to put more effort into doing things that actively demonstrate that I'm a friend too.
One can't think that you can add something to one side of the equation and the other side will balance out automatically - it takes a lot of thought.
Footing for the occasional pizza Friday or stocking the fridge with some favorite drinks goes a really long way with minimal cost for the ROI.
Best of luck to any new managers reading this.

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