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    2 locations working from 1 server?

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    by jeffryg ·

    My customer has 2 locations less then 5miles apart. They want to implament a server based network connecting both. Begining stage, no service or hardware bought yet. Each location currently has 7 to 10 Desktops running w98. Their only requirements are Network Access to the MS Access 97 Database, E-mail & Internet Access. They would like to add an est 5 to 8 Terminals strictly for Internet Access & E-mail at both locations w/o multimedia opts.
    1. Service for connection DSL or ISDN?
    2. Servers-Size, NOS, # required?
    3. Win 2000 Server edition?
    4. Network Hardware for service?
    This is for a non-profit org in San Francisco for parents of handi-capped children. Cost is an issue, requirements are average for performance. Looking at the IBM240 X-series server tower, Any recommended Terminals? Cisco will likely be the network equipment manufacture. Just not sure on the overall compatability of network. Would like to keep in the 10,000.00 range.

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    • #3878697

      2 locations working from 1 server?

      by jeffryg ·

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      Have a diagram in a GIF format iif it helps. just hollar at me
      thanks

    • #3878679

      2 locations working from 1 server?

      by johnleonard ·

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      I’m happy to help – I’m based in the UK tho so proces and server makes may not be too helpful. feel free to mail me the gif if you want assistance!

      john

    • #3878386

      2 locations working from 1 server?

      by shanghai sam ·

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      I would say go with the DSL as they are allmost the same price as the ISDN and are much better.
      For the servers go with Linux (for the internet connection) as they do not require as much as winnt requires, you can do good with a $600-700 machine for a linux that is only a firewall internet connection gateway.
      I use linux for our internet connection (and firewall) to a DSL line and did not have to go over to that computer since i installed it a year ago, its the best solution for internet connection (we have 65 users).
      For the servers if the only thing you need is file sharing then set up only one winnt server at one site and set it also up as a PPTP/VPN server and have the users from the other site connect to that server thru VPN.
      If the data across the network is alot of data then you might have a problem with network performance over a VPN connection, so I would set up also a Terminal server at the site where the file is located and have the users at the other site log on to theteminal server for the file (which means running MS Access from the terminal server).

    • #3878383

      2 locations working from 1 server?

      by shmaltz ·

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      I would say go with the DSL as they are allmost the same price as the ISDN and are much better.
      For the servers go with Linux (for the internet connection) as they do not require as much as winnt requires, you can do good with a $600-700 machine for a linux that is only a firewall internet connection gateway.
      I use linux for our internet connection (and firewall) to a DSL line and did not have to go over to that computer since i installed it a year ago, its the best solution for internet connection (we have 65 users).
      For the servers if the only thing you need is file sharing then set up only one winnt server at one site and set it also up as a PPTP/VPN server and have the users from the other site connect to that server thru VPN.
      If the data across the network is alot of data then you might have a problem with network performance over a VPN connection, so I would set up also a Terminal server at the site where the file is located and have the users at the other site log on to theteminal server for the file (which means running MS Access from the terminal server).
      For a WINNT server for file sharing and PDC if you require RAID 5 HDD go with hardware level RAID 5, look for around $2000 to $5000, you can use the same server for the VPN connection.
      If you want to use also a Terminal server (do not use the terminal server for anything other then terminal services) you dont need expensive HardDrives like RAID controlled but scssi is a plus, you will need lots of memory (for 10 users you will need like 700MB of memory) and with todays speed of the CPU you can pass with one but 2 is a BIG plus, look for around $2000 to $4000 for a terminal server.

      • #3878380

        2 locations working from 1 server?

        by shmaltz ·

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        If you are going to use terminal server then you can use terminal server clients for the users you want them to only have internet access, the terminal server clients can be any old machine that has a 386 CPU and 16MB of memory that runs any versionof windows (atleast win95 is reccomened), or you can purchase spacial WBT (Windows Based Terminals, they run WIN CE) that cost around $200 to $400.
        For the NOS for terminal server I use WIN2000 which has terminal services out of the box, and it works fine same goes if you put the VPN on the terminal server (which you should not do) use WIN2K.
        For the PDC use WINNT server 4.0 but you can go with WIN2K if you want to.
        To recape:
        For the internet connection use Linux machines which are very good for that.
        For the file sharing use WINNT as A PDC.
        For the second site use VPN.
        For network improvment use Terminal server.

      • #3878379

        2 locations working from 1 server?

        by shmaltz ·

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        For the internet connection you can also use a hardware based router, I did not mention that b/c I never before used one like that but i know that its vary good.

      • #3878376

        2 locations working from 1 server?

        by shmaltz ·

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        any additional question feel free to Email me at newyorker211@yahoo.com

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        by jeffryg ·

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    • #3879414

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      by agibbs ·

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      Regarding Answer 3: I’d stay away from the whole terminal-server thing unless your Access database is pretty large (like, over 20 megs or so). DSL is fast enough you should be OK accessing it through a share unless your file is huge. I would definitely choose DSL over ISDN.

      I’d ditch the Linux server as well, since you can accomplish everything you need with a single NT box.

      Here’s how I’d do it:
      You’ll need a total of three routers and two DSL lines. One DSL line connects you to theInternet, the other connects your two offices. Your have one router at each location, plus one router at the largest location for internet access.

      Put the NT box (I’m partial to HP NetServers) in the location with the largest number of networkdevices. If you’re concerned about cost I’d recommend purchasing maybe Ascend routers rather than Cisco; in my experience Ascend makes a damn good product & it will cost about 1/3 as much as a Cisco. Use two routers (one at each location) to connect the networks together, make sure each is on a separate IP subnet (i.e. location 1 is 192.168.1.0 and location 2 is 192.168.2.0). Then you’ll buy a third router to connect you to the internet. You’ll need to set up some special routing tables to get this to work but it’s not that hard if you’re familiar with TCP/IP.

      I wouldn’t worry too much about your Internet firewall. Configure your router to use NAT (Network Address Translation) for your internal LAN — for all intensive purposes, NAT is better than a firewall anyway!

      Need more help, email me.
      Aaron

    • #3869435

      2 locations working from 1 server?

      by jeffryg ·

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      I just created a new diagram of a sample network. The access database is for a non-profit organization inputing family data, not very intense. All user need internet access. Both locations will have DSL. I am new to this route hardware, unsure of method for network communication(Direct IP, VPN, etc.). Just email me if you would like a copy of the new diagram. Planning on windows 98 SE for OS on all systems.

    • #3869844

      2 locations working from 1 server?

      by jeffryg ·

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      Do I need to have a File Storage Server @ both locations or just 1 at the main location?

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      by jeffryg ·

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