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    A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

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    by davem ·

    A while back I upgraded my PII to an AMD Athlone. The parts that changed were:

    Intel BX m/b -> A-Bit K7 m/b
    RAM (now have 12ns SDRAM)
    case & power supply

    My video card (Asus GeForce 2 V7700 Deluxe) and sound card (Sound Blaster Live! Gamer -the older version, not the later 5.1 card), as well as hard drives, etc. came over with me.

    When using the PII, I was running Win2K without any problems. On upgrading, Win2K kept falling over – both stop errors and ccomplete freezes). Tried reinstalling ontop of current system – no luck. Tried a fresh install – fine until I started adding video & sound drivers.

    Went back to WinME. Managed to get it up – limping, but useable.Same problem, though – PC keeps on freezing.

    Obviously I’ve updated drivers, etc. A later BIOS update sorted out one problem – my LS 120 wasn’t being recognised by WinME as the A: drive. That has now been corrected.

    Also, it seems that while the BIOS updates haven’t solved the problem they have made things more bearable. One of the updates mentioned that it should solve clashes with SB Live 5.1 cards.

    I’m pretty convinced that this is the problem – if I disable sound, then everything else is fine – no crashes. As soon as sound is enabled, after 30 sec – 5 min, the PC freezes. However, if I have a game running in the background (i.e. controlling the sound output), then the system is less likely to freeze – I’ve used it like that for 4 to 6 hours running.

    Of course trying to get help from either Creative or A-Bit (http://www.abit-usa.com/) is like pulling teeth – no response at all.

    What I’m hoping someone will provide is confirmation whether this is or is not the problem (either from personal experience, hearsay, etc) and ideas of whatelse I can try.

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    • #3611125

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by dmiles ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Check the motherboard manual or Device Manager and see if the motherboard has on board sound,it will need to be disabled in the BIOS configuration panel.
      Open CMOS control panel at startup and locate the onboard sound configuration and disable.
      Check the Device manager to see what drivers are sound card is listed and if their is a yellow exclamation mark.

      • #3612291

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by davem ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        Nope – no onboard sound. There is only 1 sound device – the SB live, which, unless I’ve disabled it (see original question), works fine – when the PC works.

      • #3612289

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by davem ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        Nope – no onboard sound. There is only 1 sound device – the SB live, which, unless I’ve disabled it (see original question), works fine – when the PC works.

    • #3610980

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by richard_barsby ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Hi we had a similar problem with these devices and if I remember correctly it was to do with the legacy support in the sound card we disabled this and everything was OK but we could not run DOS applications with legacy sound support.

      Hope this helps

      Rich

      • #3612290

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by davem ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        OK, so how did you disable legacy support? There’s nothing in the config.sys or autoexec.bat, apart from the path and a few “Set”‘s.

        That does sound like something I’ve read in some knowledge base – either Creative’s or Microsoft’s, I think, but as I said, I’m running in WinME (which makes getting to “pure” DOS very difficult”, and can’t see anywhere in the Windows drivers or sound config applets to disable legacy support.

    • #3612092

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by ebob ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I have seen this before and thought it a conflict with IRQs and like that at the M/B. I resolved it by:
      – remove the SB from Control Panel…Device Manager
      – shut down completely
      – physically remove card (note which slot it is in)
      – reboot
      – shut down again
      – install card in a different slot
      – reboot and PnP “should” see the card (otherwise try installing manually)

      All M/B manuals that I have seen (Asus, Tyan, A-Bit, etc.) all talk about how they “pool” interrupts for the PCI slots, and that this MAY cause conflicts. Swapping will OFTEN resolve this.

      • #3612080

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by davem ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        Yeah – I’ve also heard of this, and I should have mentioned in the original question that I tried moving cards around – sorry about that. My m/b has 5 PCI slots, and I’ve tried each. I’ve also changed the BIOS from “PLug ‘n’ Play O/S” to none, fiddled with the IRQ’s assigned to each PCI card, all which didn’t help.

        Also, any other PCI card works in any slot.

    • #3611891

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by aalkadi ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      start the computer in the safe mode.
      go to the device manager at system.
      choose sb emulation. check the box with allow
      sharing printer poort.

    • #3611648

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by richard_barsby ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Hi Answer 4 will probably work if not disable legacy it is in Creative Misc Devices as SB Emulation. Sorry for not enough info 1st time around

      Rich.

      • #3613564

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by davem ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        Sorry for taking so long to get back to you – I wanted to be very sure before I reported back.

        Unfortunately, this didn’t help. Even with emulation disabled, my PC still freezes after a short while when the main sound driver has been enabled

    • #3614362

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by jdfcomputer ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I had a similar problem

      go into device manager and the properties for the sound card.

      change the irq assingments for the sound card.

      my current settings are
      irq 10
      dma 1
      dma 7

      irq 10 usualy used only by network cards if you have one onboard disable it in the BIOS if you can.

    • #3615635

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by mishratron ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      as for windows 2000 on amd procs go here
      http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/athlon-duron/amd_win2k_patch.html
      as for your sound issue on that sound card, I bet you the drivers you downloaded where update drivers and will not work correctly withoutthe original drivers which ofcourse no one has, I ran into that problem with some garage sale hardware… LOL
      Also did you check the HCL ?
      did you run
      winnt32 /checkupgradeonly
      it will check your hardware and software before you upgrade whichsave alot of time and energy!
      hope this helps

      • #3615463

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by davem ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        I haven’t checked the HCL – I’ll do that. But I’m still having problems in WinME. I didn’t have any problems with the drivers – the installed fine, which they surely wouldn’t have if they were updrade only?

    • #3615428

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by normanwhitebits ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Boot in safe mode. Go to device manager. Go to system devices. Double click PCI bus. Disable IRQ steering. Re-boot computer. Computer will probably find new holders for IRQ steering. Go to device manager. You will probably notice some extra conflicts, don’t worry, re-enable IRQ steering. Re-boot computer. This method usually works, I hope it does for you.

    • #3615422

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by reef2 ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      update the via drivers then the sound card drivers.

    • #3615396

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by bdavis4139 ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Hi Dave, this may not fix your problem, but it will make you aware of some similar hair pulling that I have done with SB Live cards. Not everything is PNP even if it claims that it is! My SB card refused to work with any type of processor except a true PIII board. It made continuous ringing sounds like a pinball machine unless I turned off the Wave section in the mixer! I retired the card to a box with other junk sound cards. I replaced it with a Yamaha sound card which worked immediately and has never failed to work with any machine that I have ever set it up in. No need to punish yourself when Yahama sound cards are so cheap. I spent days trying to “make” the card work, and substituted or installed it into over 20 different machines. I hope the sharing of my experience is helpful, Don.

      • #3631172

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        The reason I went with the SB Live when I was looking for a new sound card was it’s ability to produce surround sound and the EAX – the ability to produce really life-like sounds in games. Does the Yamaha offer that?

    • #3615382

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by david ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      What kind of power supply do you have….AMD is very specific when it comes to your power supply…I had similar problems and upgraded to a 400 watt power supply to solve my problems.

      David Powers

      • #3631202

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        I came across this when originally deciding what CPU to go for, and witnessing a friend of mine’s problems with insufficient power. So I bought a 350W top-of-the-line brand (can’t remember which at the moment) that is recommended by AMD.

    • #3615379

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by phil.hall ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Dave,

      Wow, not fun, eh? Well, sinse you’ve tried (literally) everything in the book, except what I am going to suggest, let’s see if I’m right:

      The problem is present only when the soundcard is enabled, not OS problem, since you reloaded the OS many times. Obviously, BIOS settings and drivers are not it, nor is the problem with the PCI slot. Clearly, it is the soundcard itself. A bad chip on it, or perhaps a malfunctioning capacitor or resistor on the card. Go get another card of the samemake and model and see if the problem is present with the replacement card. I know this is an expensive solution, but sometimes there is no other way. And besides, you’ve pulled out your hair on this one long enough.

      I’m betting it’s the soundcard.

    • #3615357

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by danwiese ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I’m not a tech and maybe this is too simple, but how about a bad card. Try a different sound card?

    • #3615352

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by brendadi ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I disabled my infared and bingo no more problems with my sound card. How does the infared and sound relate?

    • #3615351

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by willpau ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I also experienced this problem with a Cyrix prosessor. I then had a HP Scanjet4P with a HP scsi card installed. After tryed a lot of different stunts, i finally took out mu SCSI card rebooted my computer. Then reinstalled the SB card, viola it worked fine. Therafter i put the SCSI card back and configured it manually, then the SB card worked fine.

      Hope you find this helpful.

      Pau

      • #3631205

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        That was one of the first things I tried. As soon as the card was reintialised, problems began again.

    • #3632955

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by cavedweller ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      There comes a time to throw in the towel and spend $50 for a current and fully-supported card. As frustrating as it is not to be able to solve an obscure problem, you could probably have replaced the entire system for the cost of troubleshooting this one. Another possibility is that that your current driver configuration is correct and the sound card is defective. When you stop making progress with one approach (updating software in this case) you usually have to attack the problem from another direction.

      Buy a current sound card. Remove the old card and all its drivers. Add the new one. If your problem goes away than, yes, it was the sound card.

      • #3631174

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        Unfortunately where I live, a new decent sound card would be quite expensive – it would use up about 1/10 of a month’s income of an experienced PC technician.

        But I think I’m going to have to buy either a new sound card or m/b

    • #3632898

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by erikbutler ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I know you said that idf you disable sound the system will behave normally. Did you load the AGP bridge drivers as soon as you loaded the OS this has caused sporatic problems. Also i have almost the same setup as you the older SB gamer card and Creative Anhilator 2 GTS card. I have not had any problems after i load the Detonator 6.x drivers and above i try to stay away from the manufacturers drivers do to all the bloat ware that comes with them. This way you have just the core drivers installed for video. Also download the new SB game drivers, but I am sure that you have already done this. Hope this helps best of luck to ya. Erikbutler@yahoo.com is my email if you wish i can email you the same drivers that i use i have them on my system at home
      Erik

    • #3632893

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by clmccord ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      This may seem like an unrelated issue but try tweaking your video card settings one by one until the sound card works. I had the identitcal problems with my newly built AMD based system and disabling some of the video card features fixed it.

      • #3631175

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        Could you be a bit more specific? Which settings did you tweak/ disable? I’ve got an Asus V7700 deluxe (GeForce 2 Ultra) in my PC – is that the same as you have?

    • #3632826

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by korak ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Hello Dave….
      A friend and I recently upgraded his system and went through a huge problem with his soundcard as well. What we eventually found was that it wasn’t the sound or video drivers or bios at all. It turned out that one of the applications that came bundled on the same cd and setup program for the soundcard was the culprit. So…you may have tried this already, but if not it may help. Uninstall all the bundled apps that came with your soundcard (fancy control panel, media players etc). Reboot the machine and try JUST the soundcard drivers. Don’t do the setup from the soundcard CD! IF that cures the problem, try installing the bundled apps one by one. Using each for a time then adding another until you start getting crashesagain should point to offending app.
      Hope this helps.

      • #3631206

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        When I started having problems, the first thing I did was uninstall all sound apps and the vaunted LiveWare 3 drivers and install the barebones drivers, but that didn’t make any difference.

    • #3632805

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by wusman ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      hey dave, do you see any conflicts in the device manager?
      What devices do you try to use when your PC freezes?.
      Does windows detect your sound card when you install it in the slot? (PnP)
      Did you uninstall the drivers and then reinstall them manually?
      Make sure you are using the right port for the right device.
      Please get back to me with the answers? hopefully we can work togther and slove this issue with your computer.

      • #3631207

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        No conflicts. PC freezes at random times – sometimes when moving the mouse (in an app or on the desktop), sometimes not. Enabling. disabling Active desktop doesn’t seem to help. Windows detects it fine. Tried the uninstall manual reinstall thing.

    • #3632802

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by mikek ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I have seen this before and if you get another sound card from the vendor you should be all set. The card is probably defective and causing the random lockups. I have seen this occur with modems, nics, cdrw etc. See if the store will exchange this unit. If the unit is old or you can’t return it, sound cards are so cheap now why not get a new one?

    • #3632761

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by air2air ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Do you have the digital audio turned on on the audio card settings. I have a Dell P4 that came with a SB Live Digital. When playing with the audio settings for the card configuration I noticed it didn’t have the Digital audio turned on. I switched it on…and did not reboot right away. The next day I could get it to boot, but it would lock after a minute or so…this forced me to use the three figer salute to get back in. For some reason I finally traced it back to this setting, went in under the safe mode and set the board to analog only and the lockup went away.

    • #3633098

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by freetech ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      several suggestions
      1. bad card. try to re-flash the sound-card’s bios. just a thought.
      2. i know this is probably too simple to mention. if it has on-board sound, did you disable ALL, ALL the sound card functions in the bios?
      3. if win2k or 98me has native drivers, use them. often the sb drivers are so feature-rich they collide with other functions. most people don’t use that stuff anyways.
      4. last solution. uninstall all the cards (sound, nic, modem, etc) from your machine and deleteall the driver-related appearances (you remove them in safe mode device manager) then reinstall all cards one by one.
      hope this helps.
      good luck.

      • #3631210

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        Soundcard BIOS doesn’t flash.
        M/b doesn’t have sound function
        Am using native WinME drivers
        Have done the uninstall reinstall thing – as soon as sound card pops up, PC freezes.

    • #3633093

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by wpowersjr ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Dave, I had the same problem with Win2k and Windows ME with a creative labs ensonic audio pci and a soundblaster live value sound cards. I know how frustrated you are
      and i am continuing to search for a solution.
      But I still think it’s microsoft.

    • #3633092

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by rogerndgreen ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I have seen this happen with some PCs, often resulting in a BSOD with maybe an error with emu10k1.vxd
      . This is the Creative Hardware Abstraction layer, an dyou may be getting this error whenever you are trying to play a WAV file (not very useful for a sound card!).
      Try replacing the emu10k1.vxd file – Creative have a full set on their website, or you can probably find the vxd file on http://www.buyabs.com/support/drivers.shtml
      (last version I found was 4.06.628)
      Also according to Creative, you can get problems with this card and “some PIII processors” (maybe they should add “Athlon” as well?)To update your drivers, you may nee to run regedit and go to HKLM\Software\Creative Tech\DeviceInfo\PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002.
      Add new string value MMX, and give it the value 1.
      Reboot, then try updating the drivers.
      Good luck

      Roger

    • #3633069

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by heroldm ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I had similar problem but I didn’t have a sound card. I had an older video card and a nic card. Everytime I moved the mouse, the system froze. I updated bios, replaced the mouse and keyboard,and all the software and nothing worked until I replaced the video board.

      • #3631211

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        Yeah, I’ve had quite a few suggestions to replace th sound card, and am seriously thinking of doing so, but since it worked with my PII, I’m hesitant, as I’m not sure it will solve the problem.

    • #3633065

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by r.marshall ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      With out knowing what the chipset is on the SB card, the only work around would be: If you have the sound card with the Esoniq chipset, you can’t use any other driver but the Esoniq for NT/2000. The PCI128 drivers work fine in 95/98 (haven’t tried ME though), and they work fine, but the Esoniq SB is not the same. You should find them on Creative Labs web site, but you have to search. Also you must install them form the setup. To make matters worse, both card are referred to as the same.

      • #3631212

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        How would I find out the chipset on the card? To the best of my knowledge it’s not Ensoniq.

    • #3633050

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by lgordon56 ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      There are many places on the web discussing this same problem. It is an issue that ASUS is aware of.

      You might try as I did to update(actually downgrade)to an earlier BIOS, or disable the onboard ATA100 BIOS, as well as just go with a different soundcard…I’m using a cheapo YAMAHA…no problems.

      Good Luck…If you email me, I’ll do some research for you and redirect it to your e account.

      Larry Gordon

      • #3631177

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        Please let me know some of the sites where this is being discussed.

        How does one disable the onboard ATA100 BIOS?

    • #3633031

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by jjoaq ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Computer must be in the safe mode.
      Under Device manager remove all drivers under sound. Remove duplicate drivers for other devices. Reboot computer. If that does not fix the problem repeat the above after you have replaced the video card. Also try replacing the RAM.

    • #3633028

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by hanksands ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Get a life. The operative term here seems to be “an older version.” If the old card does not work get a new one. Can anyone say Fry’s? Sound cards are less than $20.00 American. Get a bunch of them, from different manufacturers. The one that works, keep. The ones that don’t take back as defective. You are involving a lot of seriously talented people unecessarily in a problem that probably is solveable with a $100 bucks.

      • #3631179

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        First of all, I don’t live in the USA. Where I live, buying a new sound card is not cheap – a decent card would cost about the same as a month’s groceries for a family of 3.

        Secondly, I’m not forcing anyone to answer this Q. While I am extremely grateful for all the help I’ve had so far and all the time people have spent giving me ideas, no-one is coercing them into doing that. I spent 1000 points on this Q because I knew it would be extremely difficult to solve – I’ve been in the PC business for over 8 years and I’m stumped. So it really irritates me that you breeze in here telling me to disappear – if you don’t like it, then get lost, just don’t give me grief for trying to solve a problem.

    • #3633023

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by csmith ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Dave,
      I notice you said you fooled around with setting the PCI Irq assignments. Unfortunatly ,this is not sucessful most of the time, when dealing with legacy cards.
      Once you have to start with manual assignments, usually you have to manually assign almost everything to get the PC to work.
      You essentially have to do it the old (Pre Plug and Pray) way. That is, sit down with a piece of paper, and figure out which IRQs the Sound Card should have, then which should be PCI, and which ISA. Then you have to allocate the I/O and DMA.
      Then go to the BIOS and Device Manager and manually configure everything.
      This is easiest to do with only the Video Card and Sound Card installed, and no intergrated features except the IDE, and mouse, turned on.
      This also tests for a conflict with the Video Card.
      Good Luck, some of these conflicts are bears to find.
      The advice, (given above) about only loading the drivers, as you search for the problem, is good advice.
      It cuts down the “Fog” , and simplifies troubleshooting.
      Regards, Chris

    • #3633013

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by b_brianh ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      This is actually a problems with PCI latency, the sound blaster card only aggravates it. (It also can effect your onboard USB) You need a file called vlatency_v014.zip, it contains a bat file that will adjust some of your hidden BIOS settings. After weeks of searching the net this is the only thing that worked on my KT7/Live!. I have a copy of the file if you would like it, I don’t know who the author is but there are the usaul disclaimers with it.

      • #3630807

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by davem ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        Thanks! This solved the problem! Do you know where I can find out more technical info about PCI latency, what it is, what it’s used for, etc?

    • #3631227

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by d4dar ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Hi:

      Here’s my 2 cents. First, are there any jumpers that may need to be properly configured. Second, Try the removal of the card both in the OS & physically. In addition to that find out what the file names are of the drivers & find those files & delete them. Delete any reference to them or the card in the registry. Do a shut down – not a reboot. Power back up w/o card & install drivers manually shut down & physically install the card then power up & give it a try.

      Good luck

    • #3631222

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by mixcli_tln ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Dear Dave,
      It seems to me you have all the brain in all the www and still you got the woes about your blasted soundblaster. Why don’t you get hold of creative tech. support and ask for a replacement instead.
      You see i have two sb sound card in my two of four pcs (live player), one on an athlon 750 (spacewalker mainboard)and the other is on 733 pentium 111 (dual bios bx 440 2000+ gb mb) and the two ran on different systems; 98, me, & 2000 prof, and it is just running fine except on 2000 prof. which i have to get help from sb driver support from creative website and downloaded the right driver.
      Go on Dave change it for the better, like now.

      Good luck, Dave

      • #3631182

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        I hear what you’re saying, and I might have to do that. However, as I explained above, sound cards are not cheap in South Africa, and it worked perfectly with my PII and Intel BX motherboard, so I can’t see why replacing it will solve the problem. What I might do, however, is replace the m/b.

        Anyway, I do have some other leads to follow up this weekend, which I’ll do. But as I said to someone previously, if this question is getting you down, please just ignore it and leave it to those who like tackling obscure issues.

    • #3631159

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by kopicino ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Try this:

      1) Find from your motherboard manual the kind of Chipset used.

      2) Download the latest chipset drivers from abit website or from the chipset maker’s website.

      3) Install the latest chipset drivers.

      Read the instructions carefullyaccompanied the drivers.

    • #3631105

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by debndan ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Have you tried making sure that the latest chipset drivers for the motherboard are installed? and is your PCs power supply on AMD’s certified list (http://www.amd.com:7246/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_1039,00.html)?

    • #3631095

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by zlitocook ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Have you tried another sound card? Most are cheap and if it saves you all these problems it would be worth it. The sound card you have could be going or be bad. Try using it as soon as you can to see if it locks the system up.

    • #3630995

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by fenaikh ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Hi
      Wow may answers no pie ???

      There are many reasons for this,but one wich is difficlut is a conflict with other devices
      using the same DMA ?????? the other maybe Sharing IRQ with NIC wich may resist sharing
      i would go for the first (DMA) conflict.
      try to diable devices that use DMA suach as CD.

      Good luck

      Mohamed

      • #3630994

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by fenaikh ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        warrning…….!!!!!
        You will not see the conflict of DMA in device manager. you may have to use other software maybe msinfo32 or other diagnostic
        software .

      • #3632171

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by shanghai sam ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        Norton Utilities doesn’t show any sharing

    • #3630985

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by tim.van.de.velde ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Hi Dave, I have a K7 system that’s almost the same as yours and I’ve also had my share of problems with it.
      On a side note : I’ve never had so much problems with soundboards as with those creative cards. I will NEVER buy one again.
      The sad truth is that there are hardware components that just don’t work together, maybe yours is such a case.
      Anyway, you’ve prolly already done the first steps, but here goes :
      1. if mb uses the VIA chipset, get the latest 4in1 drivers to go with the new mb bios.
      2. flash the soundcard also.
      3. install drivers etc. see previous answers.

      101. Check the powersupply. It should be at least 350W if you combine an amped geforce2 and a powerhungry athlon. Athlon eats up a ton of elektricity.
      The powersupply should also send out a clean sustained voltage/amp to the mb.
      102. (This sounds funny, but it might just work) Try lowering the speed of the CPU in the Bios setup a few notches, 1% – 2%, like from 700MHz to 682MHz.
      The difference is barely noticeable, but the strain on all components is lowered considerably.
      * Also, if your mb bios has some ‘safe’ setting as opposed to ‘max peformance’ setting, try and enabling that also.
      103. Try it in another K7* pc and another Intel machine. If it crashes in the intel cfg also, you broke your card. If it runs in the K7 system, it is not the card hardware.
      Since I don’t have the card in my hands, I can’t do a great deal more but speculate. You’re gonna have to solve this one yourself by logical TESTING. (remember Mastermind ?)
      104. Go back to the store and demand a replacement, if possible.
      (And get rid of WinME, use w2k or even 98se instead.)
      105. Last resort : Annoy creative into solving your problem by sending them lots of emails.

      Good luck,
      Tim

    • #3630974

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by jed8008 ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      When the game improved the problem were you operating in 2k or ME?
      How old is the game?
      If it’s an older game, it’s probably running sound control for a 9x OS.
      If so try Creatives 95 and NT drivers.
      Did you use Creatives ME driver when you operated ME? Once again try the 9x drivers

    • #3630916

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by linuxify ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I think you have basically 3 options:
      1. check the AGP driver, MS+AMD+AGP+.. can cause some crazy problems. Versions are usually from card manufacturer or MS.

      2. If this does’nt work remove the disp. driver completely and then completely reinstall the sound driver. (obvisously with a reboot in between ;)). you might have a memory conflict somewhere…

      3. Try replacing the disp. card with a borrowed one from a friend and again completely re-install the sound driver.

      all the best…:)

    • #3630900

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by hannibb ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      sound card is conflicting with network card

    • #3632370

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by rpalisoc67 ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I’m sorry to say that you’re likely having problem with the soundcard chip. One or more of the transistor embedded in the chip is causing intermetent problem. I would suggest for you to buy a new souncard and save yourself heart ache and head ache.

    • #3632218

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by ken_gemell ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Dave,
      Having read all the answers and your comments there seems to be only 2 possibilities :- 1. the sound card really is crook, have you tried running it in another similar setup to yours ?, 2. is PCI running at normal clock rate ?, if not maybe the sound card is unstable.
      Hope this helps, regards KenG

    • #3632141

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by haraldv ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Dear Dave,

      I had similar problems with a Terratec sound card in Win2k. The drivers didnt work and rendered the system slow and instable.

      Silly question I know, but did you look into your “System Information” tab, and the Device Manager for anysuspicious IRQ/DMA/IO settings? The Event protocol might help, too. E.g. the video card might hold another IRQ which it “shares” with the sound card. Of course everyone tells you the gfx card wont need the interrupt, but you never know…

      If you dont see anything in particular here, try switching off PnP completely (is there a DOS config tool for the sound card?) and configure the PCI slots by hand. I mean, for *every* board and device in the box.

      Still no luck? Could it be the sound cardis damaged by touch and statics? Christ, a soundcard is a few bucks nowadays. By the way: How many hours have you invested into this mission? How much do you earn an hour? Total loss?

      My ultimate advice (was my first thought 🙂
      Throw the bugger out, get a SB card and say goodbye to your problems 🙂

      Best wishes,
      Harry

    • #3632122

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by jdcolbert ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I had a customer that had this problem. He replaced his Sound blaster live card and his issue went away. Turned out to bea bad card.
      My 2 Cents.

    • #3632121

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by steve.pinney ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Here is a very slim possibility. In your Device Manager, do you see an entry for something like PCI Simple Communication Controller? If you do, you will have to find a driver for it before the sound card will work properly. I have only heard of thiswith older systems that were being upgraded. Good luck with your problem.

    • #3632084

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by csmith ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Dave,
      This is an add on to ANS# 31.
      Yes, you do have ISA functions in your PC.
      The I/O chip on the motherboard still uses the old ISA signals for the Parallel Port and Serial Ports, so compatability is maintained.
      If you try a manual configure, assign the LPT and COM IRQs to ISA in the BIOS.
      There is nothing wrong with the Sound Card.
      The next Answer about PCI Latency or other PCI problems is probably where the problem is.
      There are many answers posted here, where they replaced the card,and the problem went away.
      I think they assumed the board was bad without testing it in an older 133 Mhz PC.
      If the I/O conflict is not the problem, I would definitely look into PCI latency, as the next troubleshooting step.
      Regards, Chris

      • #3630818

        A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        by davem ·

        In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

        Thanks for your input – as you suspected answer 32 (PCI latency) did the trick. Do you know where I can find out more technical info about PCI latency, what it is, what it’s used for, etc?

        Dave

    • #3632039

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by ryanv ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      There is a known problem with the Sound Blaster Live cards and certain VIA chipset motherboards. If you go to http://www.viahardware.com and click on the 686B Corruption link you will find an article that should solve your problem.

      The other thing you could try is to go to http://www.viatech.com and download and install the newest Via 4-in-1 drivers. They should also solve the problem.

    • #3632029

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by tss-mark ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      If the BIOS allows it. Turn off “Use IRQ for Display adapter”. If it is PCI or AGP, it does not need a BIOS designated IRQ. Windows will assign an IRQ that may not interfere with the sound cards.

    • #3632682

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by gowing19 ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Hope this helps.

      I had a SB Plug and Play which, after about a minute of using sound, would physically freeze the pc. The solution was to go into the bios, go to the setting for the irq (generally 5) and tell it to let the software decide on the setting. (It might be set to AUTO, if this is the case, set it to manual.) If this is an older card with the jumpers on the board, tell it to let the hardware decide. If the card is running at irq7, change it to 5 but this should resolve your issue.
      Good luck

    • #3632669

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by brokentn ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      You may have too much ram try removing
      one of your rams that may work.

    • #3632643

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by jarrette_smith ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Have you exchanged the sound card for another just like it? Sometimes the chips on the boards are just glitchy, and requires a hardware replacement.

    • #3632640

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by microjoel ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      This probably seems too simple to work and not to echo previous solutions, the card may not be compatible with Win 2K. In that I mean the drivers are not working appropriately. I have found that many of the drivers produced by manufacturers for Win 2K do not work well if at all. I also find many conflicts. I would suggest updating the card. Creative cards have, from my experience, drivers that will work for a particle card but will not work for another. This usually happens when using a newer driver with a card that has an older manufacture date than the newest release of the same card. Even though it is the same card on the outside on the inside it works differently. I may be completely off the wall but I have had this problem andif I go back to the original driver that came with the card I can usually get it to work. Hope this helps.

    • #3630805

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by davem ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      This question was closed by the author

    • #3630717

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by mello ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      I lot of great contribution is going into this question and believe me, I understand the need to solve the problem. Most of the answers are on the dot, the only thing I notice is that you’re not taking in consideration the factor that win2k is the only OS that’s giving you problem, that is because he’s design to accept newer type of hardware. The first thing I would do when working w/ win2k is to check the HCL (hardware compatibility list); is your card there? Most likely, not. If it is your closer to the problem. Now some of the SB card needed to have realmode drivers to have Windows recognized and configured property; see if you can install the drivers on DOS level and see what you get.

      If the problem continues after trying this, you want to rule out the possibility that is Win2k and not your Hardware. Install good old win98 and see what happens; no freezes, no hangs. It’s Win2k being picky…

    • #3630533

      A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      by adr1an.s ·

      In reply to A-Bit K7 BIOS clash with SB Live

      Hi dave,
      1. Soundblaster live series cannot share IRQ’s or DMA these need to be configured for sound card only.
      Also on athlon boards the problem is not the CPU, but the chipset…of which there are many, and it’s only the recent ones that are compatible with a lot of soundcards.
      Useful address in particular for your MB:
      http://www.viahardware.com/faq/kt7/kt7faq.htm
      http://www.viahardware.com/686bfaq.shtm
      And @ the following address you need to access the pc notes in the june 2000 issue on the site for a full safe mode clean up.
      http://www.sound-on-sound.com

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