A question about WinXP licensing and cloning systems

By jdclyde ·
I have a system that runs industrial equipment via a PLC controller. If it dies, it costs $6k for a new one, and takes about two weeks.

What I would like to do is make a duplicate of the system, and have it sitting on a shelf, just in case, to cut out the down-time.

I would go with identical hardware.

It is running a hardware raid with SATA drives and an Adaptec raid controller.

I would like to take a drive out of the array, put a new one in, and rebuild the array. Then take the one I pulled out, put in the new hardware and rebuild the array again there.

If the system is NOT going to be even plugged in, but will be locked in a cabinet for when/if the other system dies, do I legally have to purchase another XP license?

The original system is a white box that the company has made for them from a local computer shop by where they are.



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The legal questions

by IC-IT In reply to A question about WinXP li ...

may be the nature of the XP license, OEM vs Retail.
The other question would be any proprietary license from the company that built the system.
That said, I would do it anyways and slap a tag on it that says "backup image".
Sort of like the old saying "I would rather be judged by 12 of my peers rather than carried by 6". (or something like that). ;-)

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oem vs retail

by jdclyde In reply to The legal questions

if you buy a whitebox at the local computer shop, which would it be? :0

There is not a problem with the license from the vendor.

I just was more concerned about when/If I ever needed to bring the system on-line, if the same license is legal on the other system. They would both NEVER be running at the same time.


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It will say on the COA

by cmiller5400 In reply to oem vs retail

It will say on the COA if it is OEM. See my other post in this thread as well...

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by cmiller5400 In reply to A question about WinXP li ...

You would need an XP license for that machine as well. Especially if it is an OEM style license since it is tied to the hardware.

A quote from the EULA:

You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Product on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer").

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on a single device

by jdclyde In reply to Yes.

that does not say it can not be transfered to another system though, just that it can only be on a single system.

But just like software, it is legal to copy copyrighted software for backup purposes.

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As long as...

by cmiller5400 In reply to on a single device

As long as it is a retail version of XP you should not have any issues transferring. OEM XP is definitely a no no due to the license being tied to the hardware.

If it is locked away, where only you can get to it, and it is for backup purposes, I don't think anyone would complain. ]:)

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Depends on the License JD

by OH Smeg Moderator In reply to A question about WinXP li ...

If it's OEM you're really stuck with things the way that they are. Retail will allow itself to be installed twice so if you have a Retail License you could install it onto a nonworking computer for Backup Recovery Purposes.

Of course if you use Volume License Product you're quite OK to do as you please provided that the unit is locked away in such a manner that someone else can not plug it in and use it if you are at your Max Volume License #.


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No Volume

by jdclyde In reply to Depends on the License JD

It is a single system provided by the vendor the supplies that industrial equipment.

Nothing came with the system because it isn't sold as a computer, it is sold as a control panel.

And because of what this system does, even the operational system is not plugged into the network. It is exclusive to running that equipment. The only time it gets plugged into the network is if the vendor has to console into it for support, and I then run a 100 foot patch cord to the system for the time that they need in, then I coil it cord back up and take it with me. I do NOT want to take the chance of an operator to start surfing ANYTHING, nor to ALLOW a manager to try to use it for anything else.

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well JD

by CG IT In reply to No Volume

I think you already know the answer to the licensing issue.

Though MS makes licensing this woo woo stuff even laywers have trouble with, the bottom line is the # of licenses you own allows you to run the software on that many devices. The exception is OEM which is only good for the device it's installed on.

If you have 2 devices, then to be safe legally, you need 2 licenses. If you don't want to buy a license for the second unit, well your call.

There isn't a senario, legally, that would allow 1 license for a multitude of devices. you might get bulk licensing which covers hundreds of devices but that still equates to 1 license for 1 device running the operating system.

I've cloned systems and bought a series of licenses for each clone. Again bottom line, its still 1 for 1.

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Well you make life interesting JD if nothing else

by OH Smeg Moderator In reply to No Volume

RE Nothing came with the system because it isn't sold as a computer, it is sold as a control panel.

It really depends on what is loaded onto this Control Panel but if there is any possibility of being hit with an Audit from M$ I think you already know the answer to this one, It ain't worth the risk.

However if you where to mount a removable drive into this device and remove the drive even if M$ was to perform a Software Audit you would still be within the License Agreement but of course you would have to make sure that no HDD was ever left in the unit and ideally it should be stored in a different place to the computer/control panel. Personally for the cost of a OEM License or better still a Volume License fee I wouldn't run the risk as the down side is so expensive.


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